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Throw the first stone?

By ATWadmin On February 16th, 2010

I see and read that Ray Gosling, a ‘veteran’ documentary maker and broadcaster has admitted to smothering his ‘bit on the side’ homosexual lover after the homosexual partner developed AIDs in what was probably yet another hedonistic and random encounter in his search for ‘pleasure’ and ‘fulfillment’. I wrote ‘probably’ because obviously I do not know the circumstances of this person’s disease, but knowing the odds, I would place good money against the onset of his AIDS by a ‘Blood Transfusion!

Now whatever the ATW readership thinks of homosexual relationships, whether fleeting or ‘permanent’, one is drawn to the inescapable fact that Gosling is guilty of manslaughter at least, if not murder. He tries to defend his actions by repeatedly stating that he has ‘no agenda’, and that his actions were those of a ‘mercy killing’ after an agreement between him and his disease-ridden homosexual partner.

As many people who read these pages will have personal knowledge of non-self-inflicted long-term illness of loved ones, I am wondering if any have any sympathy for this self-serving killer, or do they believe, as I do, that he should be looking forward to a swift discussion with his local friendly Police Force, who are sworn, however unwillingly, to uphold the Laws of this Land?

29 Responses to “Throw the first stone?”

  1. It all depends on the disease. If it was non-terminal there is obviously no justification for assisting suicide, as this man appears to have done.
    However, people with terminal diseases and receiving palliative treatment make decisions every day, in agreement with their doctor, on drugs that they know will shorten their life. Patients who know they have nothing to look forward to but the agony of protracted dying in great discomfort can and do decide in a lucid moment to take something to extend this painless phase knowing that they will die at the end of it.

    It therefore looks like the law needs some changing.

    (The disease the unfortunate suffers from or his or her sexuality have of course absolutely nothing to do with any of this, and I presume were included in this tale just because Mike couldn’t resist a bit of gay – even dead gay – bashing.)

  2. Noel, I don’t think the law needs changing. Every assisted suicide should be looked at by the Police, as it is now, and if there is evidence of foul play then the matter taken forward, as it is now. It is currently based on a case by case basis and a blanket law will allow people to kill sick loved ones for nefarious purposes and get away with it.

  3. "Gosling is guilty of manslaughter at least, if not murder."

    Manslaughter is something one does without premeditation. Murder the crime which Gosling has incriminated himself, requires premeditation. According to his interview this morning he admits that he had agreed with the guy to kill him – therefor premeditation existed, murder ensued.

    It doesn’t really matter; murder, manslaughter the punisment is the same, six years commuted to a token eighteen months on compassionate grounds further commuted to six months because of his victim status.

  4. >>It is currently based on a case by case basis and a blanket law will allow people to kill sick loved ones for nefarious purposes and get away with it.<<

    Seamus, do you think doctors who smack newborn babies’ bottoms and carry out cardiac massage in emergencies take advantage of this license to beat their loved ones and get away with it?

  5. Gosling refers to the man he killed as "his bit the side". What does this indicate to us about his relationship with this man? I know what I think.

  6. Noel Cunningham: "do you think doctors who smack newborn babies’ bottoms and carry out cardiac massage in emergencies take advantage of this license to beat their loved ones and get away with it?"

    Smacking a new born bottom to save its life is a little different to holding a pillow over the face of your ‘bit on the side’ in order to end his/her life. Don’t you think?

    Peter T: "I know what I think."

    I think such a description excludes Goslin from making life and death decisions about a man he knew on such an apparently casual basis.

  7. Can’t see the relevance of the sexual orientation here. I also couldn’t find where he is quoted as calling him a "bit on the side". If he did then I have grave reservations about how much he would be in tune with this guy’s wishes.

    I am not in favour of assisted suicides and an very concerned about the implications. However in a lot of occasions I feel a great sympathy for all those involved. It hasn’t kicked in here.

    The "bit on the side" and the seeming hasty smothering do not sit well with me at all.

  8. Can’t see the relevance of the sexual orientation here.

    Nor me.

  9. The ‘Bit on the side’ is a direct quotation from the words Gosling used during the piece broadcast on the flagship BBC Today programme, made with the ever-so-tolerant (tolerant, that is, of positions deemed to be ‘acceptable’ to the BBC) lead interviewer from the Today Programme this morning.

  10. So is the focus of this post supposed to be assisted suicide or is it look what naughty things this gay guy was up to?

  11. Given the moralistic tone of the original post I am only surprised that Mike is concerned at all over the death of this ‘disease ridden homosexual’

  12. and his disease-ridden homosexual partner.

    How many diseases must one have before they qualify as ‘ridden’ with them Mike?

    Is that how you describe a member of your family who had a disease?

  13. I have resisted entering this debate for fear of being branded as some paranoid old queen, but I will take the bait.
    (tolerant, that is, of positions deemed to be ‘acceptable’ to the BBC)
    I was wondering what this comment above means? Of what is it that the BBC interviewer was tolerant?

    obviously I do not know the circumstances of this person’s disease
    Doesn’t stop you speculating though, does it?

    non-self-inflicted long-term illness of loved ones
    What an extraordinary comment. So do you have some ontology that divides suffering into those conditions that are self-inflicted, and those that aren’t? I presume you differentiate the suffering therefore of people who suffer from cancers caused by carcinogens such as smoking, or chemicals. Or perhaps people unfortunate enough, like a good friend of mine did, of working in the asbestos industry, or perhaps miners suffering from diseases related to mining? After all those are "self-inflicted" surely?
    Is their suffering somehow qualitatively different to the suffering of people who suffer from conditions that are not "self-inflicted" – but are caused by, say, random infection, or genetic mutation?
    Surely suffering is suffering – why does it need to be qualified?

    For what it is worth – not very much – I think that the police should be investigating this incident to see if a crime has been committed. It would very much appear that one has. The sexuality of the participants is utterly irrelevant – but it didn’t stop the author attributing a "militant gays" tag.

  14. If the facts bear out Gosling’s statement then he is guilty of murder.

  15. Gosling’s statements suggest murder. Sky News this evening broadcast an interview with him in which he said he did the same to his mother whe she was ill.

    At this rate we’ll have another Shipman by the week’s end.

  16. Yes, the fact that they are gay isn’t really relevant as the issue is really about euthanasia. You do seem to take a lot of pleasure in sticking it to our homosexual chums Mike, is there something you are trying to tell us?
    American cops don’t seem to bother with fags killing each other, apparently they do it all the time.

  17. He didn’t have to admit this. Doing so can be seen as a very brave decision. To be honest about what he has done and challenge the law against euthanasia at great risk to his own freedom.

  18. There is something about this story that smells bad.

    Ray Gosling doesn’t say when it happened, but hospital records (if the NHS delve deep enough) will show when his friend died, so the doctor in charge may be recorded and possibly contacted….
    Also, there are no witnesses at all, so we have only the word of a gay BBC-type as to what really happened. Not that reliable I would suggest.

    Noel – murder & violence among homosexuals is disproportionally high in our society, so calling Mike Cunningham a gay basher is a trifle disingenuous; they themselves are the best exponents of that, when it comes down to it.

  19. Actually, until the police can verify the facts, I am inclined not to believe a single word Mr Gosling has claimed about what he did. I am rather inclined to think that he is using his position as a de-facto "unchallengeable" witness in order to further his aims re altering the law. Let’s see the police identify the person who he apparently killed. Bullshit. I know exactly what sneaky little game he is playing.

  20. murder & violence among homosexuals is disproportionally high in our society
    Do you mean as victims or perpetrators?

  21. Jaz

    Don’t bother. Bernard’s argument is so idiotic it isn’t really worth responding to.

  22. No you are right – I shouldn’t let these things get under my skin – but sometimes they do.

  23. Another disturbing thread. I leave for six months and you people start chucking sharp rocks at each other for the sheer hell of it?

    This murder has nothing do with homosexuality or end of life issues and I’m amazed that you intelligent people would turn it into some sort bashing fiesta on either issue.

  24. Daphne

    It is potentially about end of life issues, but you are right that it is not about homosexuality.

  25. >>I’m amazed that you intelligent people would turn it into some sort bashing fiesta<<

    Daphne, not "people" but "person", and the "intelligent" bit is also debatable.

  26. Mike could have made his post genuinely about the topic of a person ending the life of another terminally ill person – but the whole wording, tone and subjectivity of his post made it clear that his real aim was elsewhere.

  27. I don’t see this apparent act of murder as some sort of referendum on AIDS, gays or assisted suicide.

    A gay man murdered another another human being, using AIDs and end of life issues to cover his tracks. Hang the bastard and damn the populist movements who would turn his heinous act into something worthy of political or popular debate. The man’s a simple murderer, be done with it.

    I’d like a good discussion on end of life issues sans the hot button topics. My beloved aunt was essentially put to death by her children when the doctors said no more could be done and they pulled the life support. Was that murder?

  28. Jaz – Bernard isn’t a saint he just happens to think like a St. Bernard.

    Daphne – Think of us as the lost boys with no Wendy!

  29. Colm: "He didn’t have to admit this. "

    Same could be said of any other criminal.

    Colm: "Doing so can be seen as a very brave decision .."

    Brave? Suffice it to say that ‘brave’ is not my description of a stupid old man trying to clear his conscence before he himself goes to his maker.

    Catharsis, coupled with the classic ‘meja’ inflated ego syndrome.