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THE STATE IS NOT YOUR FRIEND

By ATWadmin On March 6th, 2010

Government is great. Taxes are great. We must pay them for our own good. If you disagree, the state will steal your property and crush it. You have been warned, with menaces. For your own good.

Here then is the latest polite reminder to pay taxes, for your own good, on behalf of the parasite state.

But don’t try this at home. If you or I demanded payment with menaces incurring theft and the destruction of private property, we’d be criminal filth.

Just like the DVLA Taxes are great.

To any foreigners looking in from a land of liberty, that is not a spoof, it is a real advert, it actually is how the state communicates with the unfree people of Great Britain.

34 Responses to “THE STATE IS NOT YOUR FRIEND”

  1. And how shall we pay for the roads?

    Pete

    Your parallel universe gets more amusing by the week.

  2. Peter: The state is not your friend.

  3. Peter –

    How shall we pay for the roads? We won’t, looking at the state of’em in these here parts, but we’ll pretend to pay for’em by demanding money with the kind of menaces which would see any private firm in the dock and on the front page, yes?

    Get up off your knees.

  4. Pete

    Keep digging.

    But the Gooners are nailed on for the title and good luck to them.

    Pity that the Spurs are nailed on for the cup, but heh….

  5. True… the state is not your friend, but crude adverts like this (or the TV license one) are poor examples.

    Road tax is NOT the expensive part, so, no road tax usually means the driver has no Insurance either and that’s bad news if some ageing crone ploughs their car into your front room.
    Why the DVLA are getting so bolshie is because of the shear numbers of uninsured cars that are being driven round by newly arrived foreigners to these shores, that couldn’t care less about the law.
    The road police say it’s become an epidemic, and the DVLA are under pressure from the big insurance companies.

  6. Peter –

    Sperz nailed on for the cup? Not while Chelski are in it. I fancy a Chelsea – Sperz final if they avoid each other in the semi-final draw. If Drogba played in the final, I’d fancy him for a hat-trick.

    Arsenal for the title? Well as someone in here was saying last August …..

    And that someone thinks …. it’s very very tight.

  7. That ad uses the language of the protection racket. Nice car you’ve got there. It would be a shame if anything happened to it. Better pay up.

    As for paying for the roads how much of your car tax is actually spent on roads and how much goes into the central vote buying slush fund?

  8. Pete Moore

    Sperz are nailed on. Redknapp knows how to win the cup.

    Arsenal could well take maximum points from their remaining matches. My guess is they will be at least six points clear at the end. Newton Heath and Chelsea will stumble in a vain pursuit of other titles.

  9. And when you fall behind in your mortgage payment by one week your house shall be taken from you. Fined, penaltied and home removed. You know when you’ve been Stasi’d; oh, I guess some here won’t until children are axxxx Fxxxxd and even then you’ll think it an early education in love.

    The State are your baliffs. Who gave them that right?

  10. I have a visceral loathing of the DVLA. If I seize power every single person who works (in any capacity) for the DVLA will find themselves unemployed. Unemployed with no dole, their pension pot stripped bare and every possession they own destroyed, in person, by me. That would be my revenge for illegally clamping, not once but twice, my FULLY TAXED and INSURED car and then trying to sneakily hoik it onto a wagon at 5am in the morning. Long story short the car in question originated in England. It was brought to Northern Ireland but still had a mainland plate e.g. R123 ABC. The car had thus been taxed in NI but came up as exported on the DVLAs website. Their clamping morons in England therefore saw an untaxed car. Hard to follow this story! Therefore I had to get the DVLA in NI to tell their moron colleagues in Swansea my car was kosher. Thankfully they did and all was well. But what if I’d been away on holiday or something? My car would’ve been crushed (it was a clapped out Peugeot worth about £200) if I hadn’t caught them.

    If you work for the DVLA I hate you because you are scum. And I would say it to your face because you are the epitomy (nadir?) of gross civil service incompetence. Incompetence mixed with far reaching power is something to be very, very afraid of.

    And…relax… 😉

  11. Peter: The state is not your friend.

    I don’t care if it’s my friend or not. It builds the roads – and someone has to pay for them. Seems like road users are good people to pay for a lot of the cost.

    Since Pete Moore confessed that he is emigrating he has lost any moral authority to criticise this country (not that that will stop him). Instead of doing something about it, like David Vance, he is running away.

    Put up or shut up.

  12. You know at first I just thought that Pete Moore was being his usual individualist anarchist self but then he comes up with something to change my mind.

    "Arsenal for the title? Well as someone in here was saying last August ….."

    He claims that Arsenal are going to win the title so we all know he is actually taking the piss.

  13. Jaz

    "Since Pete Moore confessed that he is emigrating he has lost any moral authority to criticise this country (not that that will stop him). Instead of doing something about it, like David Vance, he is running away.

    Put up or shut up." Anyone who has decided that enough is enough and is extracting himself still has the right to critisise. He isn’t obliged to do anything about it. Why is it "running away". I left the livingroom for a while last night as it was too hot. I didn’t run away, I just had a preference to be somewhere less hot and in doing so I didn’t lose the right to comment on the temperature.

    I am really intrigued by the use of "running away" instead of "leaving". Being somewhere that you don’t want to be, when there is a better alternative and where there is not moral or other imperative to keep you there is daft.

  14. Unless you have professed some patriotic association to your living room or asserted some extra relationship by virtue of being in the living room, then I am not quite sure that the over-heating of your room is a terribly relevant parallel.

    You see this sort of attitude time after time in the comments of sites like the Daily Mail. The endless carping and moaning, and people saying how much they want to leave. And they dare to call themselves patriotic. Nonsense. The patriot is the person who fights for change, who rather than moaning about things gets up and does things. He or she gets involved with their community and looks to change it. The don’t turn tail and run away.

    I have a lot of respect for David Vance for doing what he is doing. I don’t know a huge amount about NI politics, and I doubt that were I resident I would be voting for him, but the fact that he is saying enough is enough and is prepared to fight for what he believes in makes him worthy of admiration and respect. The contrast with those correspondents for the Daily Mail could not be more stark.

    As for your final par – that is fine. You don’t have to stay somewhere you dont want to be. It is a free world. But don’t dare to criticise, don’t complain, don’t moan and carp. And above all don’t even think about calling yourself a patriot. You are not – you are deserting your country and that is never the act of a patriot.

  15. Jaz

    "Unless you have professed some patriotic association to your living room or asserted some extra relationship by virtue of being in the living room, then I am not quite sure that the over-heating of your room is a terribly relevant parallel. "

    Why is that relevant. It is somewhere that I have an expectation to be comfortable and no moral obligation to stay in.

    "You see this sort of attitude time after time in the comments of sites like the Daily Mail. The endless carping and moaning, and people saying how much they want to leave. And they dare to call themselves patriotic."

    Why should a patriot or supporter of anything not be free to critisise it?

    "Nonsense. The patriot is the person who fights for change, who rather than moaning about things gets up and does things. He or she gets involved with their community and looks to change it. The don’t turn tail and run away."

    There does not need to be a choice beterrn fighting for change and getting up and trying to do things. At the end of the day however everyone has a right and indeed obligation to look after their own welfare. I still don’t get the "running away". Indeed I would think that it was almost cowardly not to seek out a new life if that was a better althernative.

    ""As for your final par – that is fine. You don’t have to stay somewhere you dont want to be. It is a free world. But don’t dare to criticise, don’t complain, don’t moan and carp."

    Why not if as you say it is a free world? If something is wrong, often the least you can do is point it out.

    "And above all don’t even think about calling yourself a patriot. You are not – you are deserting your country and that is never the act of a patriot."

    Emigrating is not "deserting your country". You don;t have to live in a place to support it. Also you could come to the conclusion that there is nothing you can do. Therefore to stay for no good reason would be daft. You may need to be daft to be a blind patriot but you don’t have to be daft to just be a Patriot.

  16. Jaz: A person needs "moral authority" to exercise critical thought? And this "moral authority" is determined by none other than you?

    Ridiculous. And pretentious.

  17. >>At the end of the day however everyone has a right and indeed obligation to look after their own welfare. I still don’t get the "running away".<<

    Aileen, I think you misunderstood Jaz.

    His point rests on the fact that emigrating is not just moving about between two countries, it is a one-way and very much a long-term trip. Your "living room" analogy is irrelevant as it implies a regular to and fro between various places, which is part of the usual use of the house. Emigrating is certainly not part of usual residence in a country.

    One also usually doesn’t have a particularly emotional sense of belonging to one’s living room, there is certainly no innate attachment. Pete, however, is never tired telling us that the British are the best people in the world and he is proud to be part of them. He also very much promotes the virtue of patriotism.

    Now, if the Best Country in the World happens to have drifted from the true path, or if its noble folk are being led astray by false prophets, it is the duty of every patriot worth his salt to stay and try to bring it back on track. (apart of course from such situations where he’d be persecuted or killed if he stayed). Commitment to a country is the hallmark of the patriot, and in fact the person in question has said this explicitly several times, when it came to booting out certain individuals whose loyalty apparently fell short of that of the stout English yeoman.

    >>A person needs "moral authority" to exercise critical thought? <<

    Patty, in the sense that it’s said you need a driving license to drive a car, then Yes. Moral authority exists only within a certain social context.

  18. Noel: Pete doesn’t need Jaz’s special "moral authority license" to exercise his critical thinking abilities and provide much needed, spot-on critiques of statism.

  19. Jaz –

    I’m giving serious thought to emigrating but the bags are not yet packed.

    Why? Because my country has been ruined by people like you.

    If Cameron gobsmacks me and reveals from day 1 he’s been a closet conservative and libertarian, I’ll stay. If he soon reveals he’s also like you, I’ll do what is a thoroughly patriotic act and remove myself to a more civilised place.

    Staying here under unBritish regimes which think they know how to spend our money better than we do is something up with which I’ll no longer put.

    Staying here means enemies of the British people fund the destruction of my country with my money. Since that’s their game and, if these enemies remain in power for the foreseeable future, I’ll take my labour and my money out of their reach.

    It is a thoroughly patriotic thing to do.

  20. Pete

    No need to emigrate when you can become a tax exile in the Channel Islands and still have ninety days a year in Blighty.

    Seriously, you will miss the flowering of Wenger’s team as they win the title three years running, starting May 2010.

  21. Peter –

    Well yes, there is that option but the Channel Islands always put me in mind of twitching curtains for some reason.

    The Isle of Man appeals – it’s a Crown Dependency, is outside the EU yet trades freely with it, has low tax rates … clearly they aren’t daft there.

    And yes, the flowering of Wenger’s gallant young gunners is a consideration!

  22. Why? Because my country has been ruined by people like you.

    My work here is done.

    Now if only I can get the Daily Mail to up sticks and leave then I have earned a place in the history books.

    You have no concept of patriotism.You are no patriot. Patriots fight for their country, they fight for what they believe in. They don’t turn and run away to someone else’s country when things get too hard for them, when the nasty people don’t let them have their way.

    If they don’t like things, then they change them.

    Even the odious, vile, contemptible and despicable Nick Griffin is prepared to put his money where his foul mouth is and to fight for what he thinks is right. (the world would be a better place if he didn’t).

    So enough of your cant. You don’t love this country, you love a nostalgic Daily Mail version of a country that has never existed.

  23. Patty
    There is this big old stick. It has two ends. And with unfailing skill once again you grabbed, with both hands, and clasped to your bosom, the wrong end.

  24. Pete

    The Channel Islands have a much better climate than the Isle of Man, and you can get the hydrofoil to France when you fancy some decent food. If you are going to be a tax exile you might as well be comfortable.

  25. Jaz: So-called "moral authority" used against those with whom one disagrees always rubs me the wrong way. Especially if conflated with critical thought.

  26. I am not, nor will I ever be, nor could I ever be, the source of moral authority. The source of moral authority comes from maintaining a moral position.
    If you espouse a position as a patriot, and a defender of a nation, you forfeit any authority you may claim if you voluntarily flee that country in the face of adversity. You lay yourself wide open to a charge of hypocrisy – wrapping yourself in the flag of a country you are contemplating fleeing.

  27. Why? Because my country has been ruined by people like you.

    My work here is done.

    So it really is true! – the progressive socialists aim has been to destroy and ruin Great Britain….well! well! – who would have thought it, – and to so brazenly boast about it…..

  28. Jaz –

    Some patriots do fight for their country and what they believe in.

    What they do not do is play the role of willing tax serf to his people’s Marxist scum enemies.

    Good luck to Nick Griffin at the election, by the way. If I were an ill-equipped soldier sent into battle with a heightened chance of death because of the treasonous scum you support, I’d want a patriot hanging around Parliament looking out for me.

  29. So in what kind of perverse, warped world does a concept of patriotism involve running away to a different country thereby abandoning your own country to the very people that you believe are harming it?
    That is not patriotism – that is cowardice.

    I’d want a patriot …
    If you believe your acts are those of a patriot then by your own words you have demonstrated that you have no idea what patriotism is, so you wouldn’t know what one looked like.

    If I were an ill-equipped soldier
    You are not, and you never have been.

    Ernest
    If I have driven from these shores those people who claim to be patriots, who claim to love this country, while all they do is to moan, whinge and ultimately turn tail and run away, then I am doing god’s work.
    We don’t need people like that. We need people who stand up and fight for what they believe in. Those are the people I respect. Not people who simply throw in the towel because it is all too hard. Those people are quitters. Well off they go, and don’t let the door hit you on the way out. The country is better off without them.

    You see them on teh pages of the Daily Mail’s website, still complaining, still moaning, still whingeing, but living abroad. People who lack the integrity and moral fibre to stand up and fight what they believe in.

    As you can tell, this sort of cant makes me really quite angry. I can’t stand people who just moan all the time, but are not prepared to do anything about it. COnversely I have respect for people who do stand up and fight. And I am not only talking about fighting in uniform. I am talking about people who stand for office – any office – to make things better. I don’t mean only MPs, but just a humble Parish councillor, or a school governor, or some who volunteers as a JP, or a prison visitor. Or anything that seeks to help society and change it for the better. That is what I am taking about.

    I don’t think this country has been ruined. I think this is a great country – I think it has a fantastic future ahead of it and I am hugely optimistic about that future. I love this country – and I wouldn’t live anywhere else in the world.

  30. Jaz –

    Or anything that seeks to help society and change it for the better. That is what I am taking about.

    There’s the socialist sickness right there – no mention of the entrepreneur, the businessman, the man who creates wealth and makes jobs, the man who fights for liberty against government, the man who hides his wealth to keep it from the aggressor state. No, socialist respect is mainly for those who dedicate their lives to pushing around others.

  31. >>As you can tell, this sort of cant makes me really quite angry. I can’t stand people who just moan all the time, but are not prepared to do anything about it. COnversely I have respect for people who do stand up and fight. And I am not only talking about fighting in uniform. I am talking about people who stand for office – any office – to make things better. I don’t mean only MPs, but just a humble Parish councillor, or a school governor, or some who volunteers as a JP, or a prison visitor. Or anything that seeks to help society and change it for the better. That is what I am taking about.<<

    Hear, hear!

    >>the man who hides his wealth to keep it from the aggressor state.<<

    Pete, if more people than you did that, those soldiers would be even worse equipped than you complained they were.
    "An ill-equipped soldier sent into battle with a heightened chance of death because of the treasonous scum"

  32. You still haven’t explained how running away is an act of patriotism.

    , the man who hides his wealth to keep it from the aggressor state.
    Because hoarding money is of course the sign of a good and valuable member of society.

    socialist respect is mainly for those who dedicate their lives to pushing around others
    Only a true misanthrope could view someone who gives up their time to help others as dedicating their lives to pushing others around. What a telling statement about your view of the world, and of humanity.

    Your world is a very depressing, anger-filled world. How very sad you must be. You must feel very lonely, seeing only the bad in everyone, always interpreting others actions through that dark lens.

  33. Noel Cunningham –

    Under this government, probably so, because we know that this government loves to send our soldiers to war on a diminishing budget, whatever the cost in blood and misery.

  34. Pete

    Cheer up son. You will feel much better by the end of May, with Cameron as PM and Arsenal as premier league champions. The FA Cup will be at the Sperz, but heh…