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A BAD EXAMPLE

By ATWadmin On April 14th, 2007

Isn’t it bad form that that the governor of Kansas has been put in position where he has had to sign a law today barring protesters from funerals in an attempt to curtail a fundamentalist church that pickets military funerals, claiming the deaths are God’s punishment for homosexuality? However, the legislation has the legal novelty of not taking effect until the Kansas Supreme Court or a federal court upholds it as constitutional. Legislators added that provision to lessen concerns that the Rev. Fred Phelps and his followers would file a legal challenge, win and collect attorney fees from the state. “It’s disgraceful for anyone to try and disrupt a funeral,” Gov. Kathleen Sebelius said during a Statehouse ceremony. “It is unfortunate this reprehensible practice has been exported to other states.”

I think it repulsive that "so-called" Christians would behave so deplorably but then again the members of Westboro Baptist Church, a small fundamentalist congregation in Topeka, who picket burials of US troops killed in combat, are space cadets who demonstrate a lack of the Christian values they espouse. I think the families of murdered US soldiers have enough misery to cope with, and this kind of stupid bigoted behaviour does no good in any way whatsoever.

33 Responses to “A BAD EXAMPLE”

  1. I agree it’s disgusting, but free speech is there to protect people who say disgusting, unpopular things.

  2. Picketing a funeral, when folk are in great distress, is an abomination.

  3. CL,

    "I agree it’s disgusting, but free speech is there to protect people who say disgusting, unpopular things."

    Yes, but that doesn’t mean they get to put their message anywhere they want or that they can force people to listen. They can’t tattoo their views on your forehead, for example.

    They can go post their message on the web, write a book, preach it from a pulpit, go on the radio, newspaper, whatever – then they aren’t being censored, but it doesn’t mean they’re invited to disrupt a funeral.

    I’m not sure why the new law was needed though. Couldn’t they have turned them away anyway? Maybe someone from the US can tell us.

  4. From what I’ve heard, they don’t go into the funeral, but stand across the street.

    The are not Christian. They’re not even much of a church, but an extended family.

    Here’s their website, but David, if you think it’s too much, please delete the link!

    http://www.godhatesfags.com/main/index.html

  5. Google Video has the BBC documentary about the hateful Westboro Baptist Church.

    I watched it a few weeks ago on TV, sick people!

  6. Sick people is right.

  7. Charles,

    "The are not Christian."

    I know what you mean, but they ain’t Buddhists.

    I also know there are plenty of Christians who disagree but there is at least a significant minority that would agree with some of the substance if not the style of what they say.

  8. just shows u what religion does to people. you think their sick, they think we’re all sick. they believ they are doing "gods work". which is what is sad about it. shows how stupid it is. i do agree that there actions are disgraceful, but thats what religion will do.

  9. “The problem with writing about religion is that you run the risk of offending sincerely religious people, and then they come after you with machetes.”

    Dave Barry.

  10. They’re attention-seekers, David. Fifteen minutes of infamy and all that. My guess is that if they weren’t doing this they’d be on the waiting list for the Jerry Springer show.

  11. I often wonder why Christians have such a thing about homosexuality. Rather uncomfortably, Jesus never mentioned it. It’s condemned by Paul, who never even met Christ and of course in the Old Testament, which also condemns such heinous crimes as eating shellfish and working on the Sabbath.

    The gay-bashing brigade have plucked a few references out of the big book and embarked on a sad crusade that most civilised nations got over decades ago.

    There is some scientific evidence that the most homophobic individuals actually have closet gay tendencies themselves. Westboro Baptists? Anything you want to tell us guys?

  12. I have mixed fellings about this group. I watched the \bbc documentary about them and thought they came across as obviously ludicrous and in some respects almost deliberately comical as if they didn’t even take themselves seriously. From what I saw they weren’t allowed to go close to any funeral which is fair enough and they just looked idiotic and lost standing at the edge of a road hundreds of yards form any service they picketed. Let them do what they wish , they are an eccentric addition to humanity.

  13. Quite old stuff re the Phelps family already covered by the MSN – BBC
    At least it’s not violent!
    I liked

    “The only reason Christians are not still burning each other is because the secular state stopped them.”
    (Simon Blackburn, professor of Philosophy, Independent)
    http://education.independent.co.uk/higher/article2420566.ece

  14. Observer,

    You are pathetic. I spent my Good Friday visiting my dying father and comforting my ill mother. The fact that I humourously relieved my stress by posting on ATW in a fashion that pleases me is none of your business. And you Tripper are no better. Vermin like you two spoil this site.

  15. >>>And you Tripper are no better. Vermin like you two spoil this site.<<<

    opposition=vermin

    always nice to be reminded. 😉

  16. Tripper,

    Better still, try being re-directed.

  17. Anyone ever seen the hilarious video of the guy that infiltrated one of Phelps’ demos and then pretended to come onto him? Absolute 24-carat hilarity.

  18. I watched the Louis Theroux programme on these guys and they were awful. Their ignorance of their own religion and the teachings of Jesus is astounding. I’m an atheist, but having researched both Christianity and Islam extensively I can say that there is NOTHING that ignorant in the Bible.

    The worst bit was when Louis Theroux asked the six year old boy holding up a "God hates fags" sign whether he knew what it meant, and he didn’t have a clue. So sad.

  19. Frank O’Dwyer said:

    "Yes, but that doesn’t mean they get to put their message anywhere they want or that they can force people to listen. They can’t tattoo their views on your forehead, for example.

    They can go post their message on the web, write a book, preach it from a pulpit, go on the radio, newspaper, whatever – then they aren’t being censored, but it doesn’t mean they’re invited to disrupt a funeral."

    I believe these people protest in the street, not inside the funeral home/church grounds etc itself. Since churches and the like are private property, if the owner bans them from protesting then yes, fair enough, they can’t protest on that land. But the street isn’t private land, they should be able to say what they like.

  20. CL,

    "But the street isn’t private land, they should be able to say what they like."

    Fair enough. Although I’m surprised to hear you concede that there is such a thing as public property 🙂

  21. { I watched the Louis Theroux programme on these guys and they were awful. }

    The impression I got from that and from reading about the Phelps clan previously is that Fred Phelps is a sadistic bully who has wrecked the lives of his own children as much as anybody else.

  22. Observer,

    I repeat, you are pathetic. Bye Bye.

  23. Observer, would you please fuck off and leave David alone. You’re nothing but a trolling bully.

  24. Charles – He is West Belfast riff-raff – what else would you expect from a pig but a grunt ? 😉

  25. Observer, he’s already answered that. Give it a rest.

  26. All,

    It takes a lot more than a troll such as Observer to bother me, but it is a bore and I have no intention whatsoever with wasting my breath on him. Thx to all others for your comments!

  27. Yes observer, crude, rude, thick, and you forgot mean when it comes to defending one of my mates. Leave’em alone.

  28. whoops,crossed posts David. I’ll drop it.

  29. No problem Charles – best to leave trolls to their pathetic little lives. We have much more important and interesting things to cover! 😉

  30. Run from the truth rather than defend it david, pity your vitims cant. You critcize regularly but show no christian love

  31. Picketing a funeral, when folk are in great distress, is an abomination.
    Saturday, April 14, 2007 at 11:12PM | Registered CommenterDavid Vance

    using the crucifixion of jesus as means to get a few grubby bucks for this web site is an abomination

  32. A sage once said:

    ‘Never approach a bull from the front, or a horse from the rear, and never approach a fool from any direction’

    Seems worth bearing in mind where ‘Observer’ is concerned…

  33. LOL – Ernest, good one. I’m with the sage!