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Black Man Describes Whites As ‘Subhuman’, Silence Deafening.

By ATWadmin On April 17th, 2007

Well, who on earth could be coming up with such racist trash? Zimbabwean political broadcast? Nation of Islam at it again?

Nope, the chief of the Commission for Racial Equality. Again. There must be something in the water, because someone’s brought Trevor Philips out into the light, and he’s managed to say the truly disgusting. Again.

The man who not so long ago sought to politicise religion by urging that BNP members be denied communion has, in a severely under-reported interview (which I can only find in one paper) at the STUC annual congress in Glasgow, described members of the BNP as ‘less than human’; referring to an alleged attack on an asylum seeker and her baby as a case study of racism. (Readers may remember that such reported assaults on foreigners and designated victim groups have on occasion turned out to be false, I wonder what will transpire on this new one)

Philips went on to say that "We as a society have a choice. In England we have the BNP. The path is to keep them out We need to change in an inclusive way." Quite how he intends to be inclusive whilst demonising a legal and democratic political party is anybody’s guess. Possibly I’m not quite human enough to grasp his logic because, though not a BNP member or supporter, I am white and something of a heretic from the Religion of Open Borders (TM).

I think perhaps it’s time the question of free choice and open politics was re-addressed. Surely people should have a right to vote according to their consciences, without being denigrated as subhumans or demonised as evil. Whether or not you agree with the BNP, in the face of the overwhelming incompetence displayed by the Big Three parties to deal with the issues most troubling the man-on-the-street, such as crime, immigration, terrorism, is it any wonder so many people turn, in desperation, to those who have been political pariahs for so long? Perhaps the problem isn’t so much with the BNP and its allegedly racist tendencies (something I’ve yet to be presented with any proof positive for) as with the active repression by the ‘proper authorities’ of anybody questioning the accepted multiculti narrative. More ‘tolerance’ for the ‘intolerant’ could go a long way. Perhaps Mr Phillips could do with remembering that before he opens his mouth again. As to the BNP, maybe it’s time the knee-jerk reactions were done away with and a conversation was had about them. Preferably one without Godwin’s Law.


Hat-tip to the Green Arrow for flagging this story up. For more bloggy reactions to Phillips ideas on excommunication for heresy against liberalism, see here, here, and here. Please note that A Tangled Web and its contributors are not now, nor have ever been, a member of the BNP, etc, etc.

98 Responses to “Black Man Describes Whites As ‘Subhuman’, Silence Deafening.”

  1. Dry your eyes, Mr Smith.

    Also, that’s a highly misleading headline.

  2. A clarification -did he describe all whites as subhuman, or members of the BNP? Of course all people are human.

  3. Mahons – I dont agree with Mr Smith and neither do i get the headline as that isnt what he said. Trevor Phillips isnt a bad guy at all and has taken on Ken Livingstone to boot. The latter actually accused Mr Phillips of being so far right he was in danger of overshadowing the BNP:

    London’s mayor has accused the head of the UK’s race watchdog of "pandering to the right" so much that "soon he’ll be joining the BNP". Ken Livingstone said Trevor Phillips had "an absolutely disgraceful record" at the Commission for Racial Equality.

    He accused Mr Philips of trying to "move the race agenda away from a celebration of multiculturalism".

    Kudos Mr Phillips who in 2003 spoke openly about the dangers of extremism within Islam and at least tried to confront it.

  4. –SMCGIFF–
    Not misleading at all. BNP members tend to be white, unless I’ve missed something, thus the people he referred to as subhuman are white, thus he referred to whites as subhuman. Granted, it doesn’t apply to all whites, but I wonder how long I’d last if I referred to Nation of Islam members as subhuman?

    –Alison–
    Given that all it takes to annoy Livingstone is to not be one of his odious crew, that’s not exactly your best point in Phillips’ favour.

    Lest we forget, boys and girls, Phillips has not recanted his idea that those in the BNP or sympathetic to them should be denied communion. Anybody who understands what communion is to a Christian can only admit that the idea he proposed is abominable and pure politicising of Christianity.

  5. Describing the BNP as sub-humans seems pretty accurate to me

  6. Good try, Mr Smith.

    With any luck another black man or Asian (or even the two rolled into one: joy!) will make an even more outrageous statement soon in the heat of passion, and your news-clipping service will give you a heads-up from the provincial weeklies or free sheets.

  7. You’re right, Sean. Socialist filth they are.

  8. You’ve got a damn nerve criticising anyone for use of the word ‘subhuman’ when just the other day you were referring to one woman in particular as ‘unmensch’.

  9. Mr. Smith – I don’t know the players here, but the BNP membership, while human, certainly isn’t considered the highest examples of the evolution of our species politically and in several other areas. It seems to me you are overplaying your hand on the gentleman’s comment in this instance. He may very well be wrong in some things, and over the top here, but he didn’t say what you imply he said.

  10. >>BNP members tend to be white, unless I’ve missed something, thus the people he referred to as subhuman are white, thus he referred to whites as subhuman.<<

    So the guy who rambles on for pages at a time can’t even think straight for three lines.

  11. Hey, I loathe the Commission for Racial Equality. Is it cool for me to call Phillips and its staff subhuman?

    Amazing how if any of us nasty old right-wingers dare to generalise about any (non-white) religious or cultural grouping we are sons of the devil, but its totally cool to call anyone voting for a certain Party subhuman.

    Get used to it. The harder you hit the little guy, the harder he bounces back up. The BNP arent going away, and the reason they arent is that namecalling and demonising isnt a substitute for an actual argument.

    Beat the BNP on the arguments. Its not that hard.

  12. Google says that the most visited UK political website is that of the BNP.
    In any case, surely it is a parties Manifesto that counts.

    The Yanks are out of this as they won’t know who the BNP are.

  13. Nice try, Hugh. It’s called a dictionary. You should try it sometime.

    DSD has made the only valid comment thus far. Well done, DSD.

  14. I dont know DSD, so far we seem to have agreed on most things, yes?

    Has anybody here actually read our manifesto’s? the national one is genuinely hope inspiring and interesting, while the new local one is far more interesting than i initially thought it would be.

  15. Anyone who sees fit to comment on here would surely know that the BNP is a bunch of racist twats just like……. oops never mind

  16. Mr Smith has made a fool of himself with this ridiculous headline. Trevor Philips said nothing of the sort. he was clearly referring to people who stir up racial hatred. If someone referred to Al Queda members as being ‘scum’ would it be acceptable for a leftie newspaper to say "White man brands Muslims scum’ just because members of Al Queda tend to be Muslims .

  17. DSD , If you were to call racial equality campaigners like Trevor Philips scum would it be the same as attacking all black people ? By all means take issue with Trevor Philips terminology about BNP members but Mr Smiths headline is such an exaggeration that it is just meaningless.

  18. Colm: you are correct sir.

  19. "Mr Smith has made a fool of himself"

    Well, I’m not impressed, that’s kinda like making an apple tart by buying one in the shop. It’s not like he made a fool from scratch.

  20. BNP Member –

    "Has anybody here actually read our manifesto’s?"

    Yep, I’ve read each for the last 2 or 3 general elections. Complete socialist tosh. I’m surprised North London voted Labour with what the BNP had on offer.

  21. >>Well, I’m not impressed, that’s kinda like making an apple tart by buying one in the shop. It’s not like he made a fool from scratch.<<

    ROFL!

  22. That’s the thing though Pete. They arnt socialist. I come from a decidedly tory background, and what the BNP are is centrist and sensible, plain and simple.

    See, i read our manifesto’s, and it simply does not tally up with the insults that are bandied around about us by our opponents. It doesn’t fit. Our manifesto is logically consistent, precise and obviously sensible.

    And what i say there is eminently testable. Will someone who disagrees with me please quote a part of the manifesto that they disagree with. Lets drop the meaningless insults and talk policy.

  23. BNP Member – I thought meaningless insults was your policy.

  24. Ahh, so THAT’S the sound of silence. 23 comments in and only 2 people have made relevant comments pertaining to smearing adherents of a political party as subhuman. Pathetic.

    And of course the headline’s an exaggeration, what did you expect? ‘Small earthquake, not many dead’? No thanks.

  25. Sean – The BNP have been linked to the virulently Racist ICP in the ROI .

    ttp://www.geocities.com/irishafa/election.html

    and the Irish People’s Party, founded by Paul Kangley – a former aide of Bertie Ahern

    http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4161/is_20020512/ai_n12840661

    http://archives.tcm.ie/irishexaminer/2002/05/01/story27695.asp

  26. Mr Smith

    The headline is not just an exaggeration. It is plain wrong. Trevor Philips did not attack people as sub-human because they are white, any more than a denunciation of Sinn Fein/IRA could be accurately headlined as ‘Anti-Irish racism’.

  27. Impressive, someone trying to address the topic at hand. Well done, Mad. What about the comment quoted, though?

  28. I have *no idea* who the "ICP" is, or the Irish peoples party. (I have not now, nor have ever been, etc. etc.)

  29. You know it could well be said that Trevor Phillips called people sub human because they identified themselves as indigenous. The BNP is the only show in town that most people have heard of that allows people to do that.

  30. You misunderstood me, Colm. I didn’t say he attacked them because they were white, I simply said he labelled people, who are white, as subhuman. There is a difference, I think you’ll find.

    The fact remains, and it is a fact that has yet to be properly addressed by the commentators here, that Phillips is actively persuing an agenda of persecution of citizens whose only ‘crime’ is to sympathise with a legal political party. Referring to them as sub-human, pushing denial of the most Holy Sacrament of the Christian faith. And why? Because they’re thought criminals in his book, and that’s that.

    So much for tolerance.

  31. >>I simply said he labelled people, who are white, as subhuman. <<

    He labelled a bunch of people who happen to be white as sub human. He wasn’t labelling them because they were white, he was labelling them because of the organisation they belong to. Can you seriously not grasp the difference ?

  32. Mr Smith

    I have no problem with that argument. I don’t hold with the intolerance that demands the BNP be treated lesser than any other legal party. I don’t agree with these stories you hear every now and then about people being forced out of a particular postion or workplace due to BNP membership. It’s just that when I saw the headline I thought it might be a story about for example a Black academic or firebrand making a genuinely racist anti-white black supremacist speech and it was nothing of the sort. the headline hugely deflected from a constructive and genuine criticism of Trevor Philips wording about the BNP. I am sure you would be amongst the first to attack leftie journalists if they tried to turn an individual’s verbal attack on Islamic or other group specific terrorism into an accusation of a general racist slur , the same should apply here.

  33. Kloot, you missed my point i think. He is demonising people who identify with what they are as subhuman.

    Look at this from the UN charter on the rights of indigenous peoples:

    http://bnpandme.blogspot.com/2007/03/199445-united-nations-declaration-on.html

    http://bnpandme.blogspot.com/2007/03/regimental-seargent-major-demoted-for.html

    Article 2

    Indigenous individuals and peoples are free and equal to all other individuals and peoples in dignity and rights, and have the right to be free from any kind of adverse discrimination, in particular that based on their indigenous origin or identity.

    Article 15

    Indigenous children have the right to all levels and forms of education of the State. All indigenous peoples also have this right and the right to establish and control their educational systems and institutions providing education in their own languages, in a manner appropriate to their cultural methods of teaching and learning.

    Indigenous children living outside their communities have the right to be provided access to education in their own culture and language.

    States shall take effective measures to provide appropriate resources for these purposes.

    Article 18

    Indigenous peoples have the right to enjoy fully all rights established under international labour law and national labour legislation.

    Indigenous individuals have the right not to be subjected to any discriminatory conditions of labour, employment or salary.

    Article 19

    Indigenous peoples have the right to participate fully, if they so choose, at all levels of decision-making in matters which may affect their rights, lives and destinies through representatives chosen by themselves in accordance with their own procedures, as well as to maintain and develop their own indigenous decision-making institutions.

  34. T Philips is a merchant.

  35. >>He is demonising people who identify with what they are as subhuman.<<

    Fair enough BNP Member, I wont argue against the right of the BNP to exist as a party, once it operates withing the confines of the law, which the BNP appears to do.

    However, as others have pointed out, the headline completely takes from the supposed point of the post. The headline makes out Mr Philips to be a racist

    The title in full was

    Black Man Describes Whites As ‘Subhuman’, Silence Deafening.

    Now if some other white person had made the same comments, would the headline have been

    White Man Describes Whites As ‘Subhuman’, Silence Deafening.

    I doubt it.

  36. Mr Smith has made a fool of himself"

    Well, I’m not impressed, that’s kinda like making an apple tart by buying one in the shop. It’s not like he made a fool from scratch.

    Tuesday, April 17, 2007 at 09:07PM | Frank O’Dwyer

    That is some serious Bon Mot there Frank

  37. Mr Smith,

    Spot the similarities:

    "He [Phillips] … showed his contempt for the British National Party by saying they should be treated as ‘less than human’."

    "I [Mr Smith] can’t bring myself to refer to [Caitlin Moran, journalist] as ‘a woman’ or ‘a lady’ or so on, so I’ll be referring to … [her] throughout as ‘the Unmensch’."

    Mr Smith’s logic: "BNP members tend to be white, unless I’ve missed something, thus the people he referred to as subhuman are white, thus he referred to whites as subhuman."

    Or: Dogs tend to be mammals, unless I’ve missed something, cats are also mammals, thus cats are actually dogs.

    Maybe time to stop digging, Mr Smith?

  38. –Sean–

    "That is some serious Bon Mot there Frank"

    That is some serious brown nose there Sean.

    –Kloot–

    "if some other white person had made the same comments, would the headline have been

    White Man Describes Whites As ‘Subhuman’, Silence Deafening.

    I doubt it. "

    If it had been a white talking about a white, it’d be something like ‘1930s Germany. Again!’

    –Colm–

    "I am sure you would be amongst the first to attack leftie journalists if they tried to turn an individual’s verbal attack on Islamic or other group specific terrorism into an accusation of a general racist slur , the same should apply here."

    Yes, because Islam isn’t a race. Other than that, though, they’re just journalists practicing journalism. I imagine their first priority would be to entice people to read the rest of the article.

    –Mad–

    ‘A Merchant’? Of… what again?

  39. –Dawkins–
    Nice of you to suggest, but I’m not finished digging my hole yet. Are you 5′ tall or 6′? It’s so important to get these little details right.

  40. Smitty I dont think any one on here would accuse me of having a brown nose least of all David and andrew

  41. I am 6"6" so make mine extra deep and I await your attempt to fit me in it

  42. Kloot

    "The headline makes out Mr Philips to be a racist"

    Look at the headline again: "Black Man Describes Whites As ‘Subhuman’, Silence Deafening."

    Mr Smith will put me right if I’m wrong, but the headline seems more concerned with the reaction to Trevor Phillips’ (a man who has made a good living in the past out of race-baiting) comment. Or the lack of it. If you think that a white man would be cut the same slack, ask Don Imus or Patrick Mercer.

  43. At last! Someone who understood the headline. No wonder no-one’s talked about the post proper yet, you might still be trying to figure it out or something…

    Thanks Pete.

  44. So-called comedian Jeremy Hardy said that those who voted BNP should get a bullet in the back of the head: that’s 800,000 people at the last local elections in England. What should be done with BNP members and supporters?

    Now, about that disgusting racist islamophobic attack by racist white Scots who "stoned" (??? yes! stoned! – there are piles of stones lying around Yoker just waiting to be used to stone people) then sexually assaulted a failed applicant for asylum, an Algerian woman and her child? I heard it broadcast on Radio 4 and then, nothing. Alarm bells rang immediately for me because there were no witnesses – no witnesses!!
    And since then – silence. Not a word on how the police investigation is going. Apparently they are looking for a white man with very short hair.

  45. I wonder if perhaps they’re waiting for a handy thought criminal to hang it on:

    http://tinyurl.com/38kz3o

  46. This guy is just another liberal communist who only wants inclusion and openess if it meets his limited definition.
    He’s employing the usual diversion techniques of high rhetoric, mudslinging and blowing smoke to get the "people’s" outrage focused in a different direction. God forbid they actually start to get their backs up about their country being overrun by foreigners, much easier for all if they’re just pissed off at racists.

  47. Daphne,

    "God forbid they actually start to get their backs up about their country being overrun by foreigners…"

    Ever looked in your phone book and thought: How come there are so many "foreign" sounding names here? I wonder where they all came from.

  48. dawkins your contry has been getting over run by foreignors for 2,000 years thats where all the foreign names come from , from home

  49. Mr Smith,

    "That is some serious brown nose there Sean."

    How very Irish, to confuse a compliment with brown-nosing. People should try to give more compliments. They cost nothing — really!

  50. Not misleading at all. BNP members tend to be white, unless I’ve missed something, thus the people he referred to as subhuman are white, thus he referred to whites as subhuman.

    Thats the kind of arguement I’d expect from left-wingers and NOI types! Its a bit mopey don’t you think? I don’t like Trevor Phillips, or the BNP, maybe he shouldn’t have attacked a legal party – but he didn’t condemn all White people unless you believe the BNP are the spokesmen for all Whites? I can speak for myself, I don’t need a bunch of glorified skinheads in suits doing it for me.

  51. Sean,

    I’m not sure I understand you. How can foreign names come from home? Isn’t that a contradiction?

  52. Go on, then, CJ. Point out to me where I said he quoted ALL white people.

    No? Ok.

    I was merely pointing out the double-standard. If I had called someone sub-human, I don’t know how loud the cries of ‘Nazi’ would have been.

  53. Phone book? Everyone uses a cell, phone books are a thing of the past, along with meaningful immigration laws.

  54. But Phillips never called anyone sub-human. The fact that Mr Smith insists on misquoting this in his attempts at shit-stirring is in itself proof that Phillips actualy said something less damaging.

  55. "Go on, then, CJ. Point out to me where I said he quoted ALL white people.

    No? Ok."

    The title implied it.

    "I was merely pointing out the double-standard. If I had called someone sub-human, I don’t know how loud the cries of ‘Nazi’ would have been."

    I don’t see were he said "White people are sub-human"? I’d say that members of the New Black Panther Party are inhuman, that doesn’t mean I’m calling Black people inhuman, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=molI3Tvlym4 by your own logic me saying that would make me racist.

  56. Daphne,

    "Phone book? Everyone uses a cell, phone books are a thing of the past, along with meaningful immigration laws."

    And this is relevant to surnames?

  57. Cunningham,

    "But Phillips never called anyone sub-human. The fact that Mr Smith insists on misquoting this in his attempts at shit-stirring is in itself proof that Phillips actualy said something less damaging."

    No doubt. That’s why I quoted the original source at 11.07.

  58. <Q> –Mad–

    ‘A Merchant’? Of… what again? </Q>

    Rhyming Slang Mr Smith – A Merchant Banker.

  59. <Q>Everyone uses a cell, phone books are a thing of the past </Q>

    Everyone ?

  60. Go on, then, CJ. Point out to me where I said he quoted ALL white people

    you didnt state it you infered it

    I’m not sure I understand you. How can foreign names come from home? Isn’t that a contradiction

    how does someone named de la vera come to be the leader of ireland

    there is no such thing as an indigenous englander the names mean shit as even those with funky names would have gradually englezed their names in the hopes of inclusion

    so in short

    names mean shit

  61. The Unmenschionable Smith wrote:
    "I was merely pointing out the double-standard. If I had called someone sub-human, I don’t know how loud the cries of ‘Nazi’ would have been."

    Don’t be so modest. You have insinuated that several people are inhuman, and even flirted with the term "untermensch", and nobody called you a Nazi.

    "I’m not finished digging my hole yet. Are you 5′ tall or 6′?"

    Scratch a ‘pro-lifer’ and get a violent psychopath, every time.

  62. Dawkins,

    "But Phillips never called anyone sub-human. The fact that Mr Smith insists on misquoting this in his attempts at shit-stirring is in itself proof that Phillips actualy said something less damaging."

    No doubt. That’s why I quoted the original source at 11.07."

    Indeed. It is not even clear from the source whether he was referring to all BNP members or not, though given his track record I suspect he was. If the quote is accurate then at worst it was a bad choice of words, as he was clearly calling for them to be shunned and treated as pariahs. Meanwhile Smith has been caught in an obvious lie.

  63. Quite right Frank Mr Smith and his fans like DSD and Pete Moore won’t admit it. The headline was stupid and the logic behind it ridiculous . Considering that most members of the BNP are almost certainly male you could just have easily have accused Trevor Philips of sexism.

  64. Exactly Colm. And the answer to Smith’s question:

    "Well, who on earth could be coming up with such racist trash?"

    …is Mr Smith himself.

    His subsequent furious pedalling is beyond pathetic. This, for example:

    "Point out to me where I said he quoted ALL white people."

    ..and the answer to THAT question is when he put words in Philip’s mouth and said it was racist.

  65. First, my thanks to Mr Smith for alerting me to Phillips speech at the STUC, which I duly blogged at MR last night.

    The speech seems to have been reported only in the Herald. But if a similar comment, advocating "less than human" treatment for members of a minority organisation, had been made by Griffin or Collett every daily in the country would have carried the story.

    The quote marks around "less than human" indicate that this is actually what Phillips said. Does it or does it not incite racial hatred? He would claim that target of his hate speech is political, and he is happy to incite hatred against holders of pro-BNP political opinion. The racial element, however, is undeniable. Pro-BNP opinion is pro-English opinion held by Englishmen. Phillips does not incite hatred against other ethno-specific organisations such as the BDBJ. The element which causes him difficulty is the English one.

    I do believe that the time has come to test this at law with a complaint to Strathclyde Police. They are bound to investigate all complaints of racism seriously, and Phillips does so yearn to be taken seriously!

  66. 11:35PM | Allan@Aberdeen

    I smell something fishy here also.

    I note that Moslem businessmen immediately bandied together and put up a 10,000 pounds reward. While I admire their generosity, does a woman have to be a Muslim before she get’s this kind of attention?

  67. "Quite right Frank Mr Smith and his fans like DSD and Pete Moore won’t admit it. The headline was stupid and the logic behind it ridiculous ."

    Really? So you’ll be writing to all those news outlets which threw out hysterical headlines about Imus referring to members of a mostly black sports team and therefore being racist? Telling them how he was just referring to a single group of black people so the comment shouldnt be taken ‘out of context’?

    Course you wont. Because as usual instead of debating the points raised in the post you’ve all seized on one small part of it and are desperately worrying at it for fear of actually having to answer Mr Smith’s actual argument on the subject. Yes it was a daft headline, but the hysterical reaction to it was equally daft – it doesnt say Phillips referred to *all* whites, just *some* whites. Anything else is your PC minds looking for something to whinge about instead of debating like grownups.

    If this had been a white person referring to a ‘Black’ organisation you wouldnt be debating the semantics of the headline ‘White Man Describes Blacks As Subhuman’, you’d be condemning him unreservedly.

    Oh, and I notice none of you have taken up BNP Member’s challenge. That’s why they are on the rise, because you keep sticking your fingers in your ears and saying ‘lalalalalaracistsracistslalalala’ instead of countering their arguments.

  68. Colm –

    "Quite right Frank Mr Smith and his fans like DSD and Pete Moore won’t admit it. The headline was stupid and the logic behind it ridiculous ."

    I commented only on the headline and what it meant. I felt obliged after 200 posts by liberals had missed the point.

    But let’s look again at the Herald piece: "He urged people to turn their backs on racists in communities and at the ballot box and showed his contempt for the British National Party by saying they should be treated as "less than human".

    Mr Smith hasn’t in any way misrepresented Phillips. Either you and Phillips think that the BNP is white and Phillips meant such whities were subhuman, or you and don’t think he described white people as subhuman, in which case you cannot think the BNP is a white party, therefore why the unhinged response to every mention of its name?

    So which is it, liberals? Is the BNP a white party or multiculturalism personified?

  69. Pete,

    >>Mr Smith hasn’t in any way misrepresented Phillips<<

    Saying someone should be treated as "less than human" is different from calling them sub-human, as is confirmed by Mr. Smith’s insistance on using only the latter term. He must have misquoted "sub-human" ten times by now, but always avoids quoting what Phillips really said.

    >>Either you and Phillips think that the BNP is white and Phillips meant such whities were subhuman, or you and don’t think he described white people as subhuman<<

    I’ll make it easy for you:
    Let’s say Andrew described Sinn Fein as being less than human. Would that be the same slur against the white "race" that Smith makes Phillips’ comment out to be? There are after all probably as few dark faces in Connolly House as among the ranks of the BNP.

  70. <Q>Let’s say Andrew described Sinn Fein as being less than human. Would that be the same slur against the white "race" that Smith makes Phillips’ comment out to be?</Q>

    Not a great analogy Noel – although a party with racist overtones (brits out) being white isn’t a qualifying necessity for joining SF.

  71. >>and don’t think he described white people as subhuman<<

    Pete, Honestly, can you not see the difference between describing people who HAPPEN to be white as sub human and SPECIFICALLY describing white people as sub human or are you just trying to wind people up

  72. >>Not a great analogy Noel – although a party with racist overtones (brits out) being white isn’t a qualifying necessity for joining SF.<<

    Fair enough so, lets try another, the members of the BNP are most likely all British ? yes ? so by extension of Pete and Mr Smiths logic, Philips described British people as Sub Human

  73. >>being white isn’t a qualifying necessity for joining<<

    What about Sharif Abdel Gawad, BNP local-election candidate for Bradford?

  74. Really ? Wow! Je suis gob-smacked!

  75. the BNP must have missed that one as it passed through the rubber stamp machine

  76. "First, my thanks to Mr Smith for alerting me to Phillips speech at the STUC, which I duly blogged at MR last night.

    The speech seems to have been reported only in the Herald. But if a similar comment, advocating "less than human" treatment for members of a minority organisation, had been made by Griffin or Collett every daily in the country would have carried the story.

    The quote marks around "less than human" indicate that this is actually what Phillips said. Does it or does it not incite racial hatred? He would claim that target of his hate speech is political, and he is happy to incite hatred against holders of pro-BNP political opinion. The racial element, however, is undeniable. Pro-BNP opinion is pro-English opinion held by Englishmen. Phillips does not incite hatred against other ethno-specific organisations such as the BDBJ. The element which causes him difficulty is the English one.

    I do believe that the time has come to test this at law with a complaint to Strathclyde Police. They are bound to investigate all complaints of racism seriously, and Phillips does so yearn to be taken seriously!"

    I am no PC liberal, I’d respect the BNP alot more if they worried more about White English culture and identity and less about denigrating others, there clearly is a racist and extremist element within the BNP – maybe Trevor Phillips unfairly labelled all BNP members as extremist racists, but he didn’t say "Whites are subhuman" which is what the title of the post inferred.

    There is a bias in favour of Black prejudice towards Whites, I don’t dispute that, but the Phillips incident is a poor example. And crying racist at the first opportunity is something I’d expect from left-wing morons, not people who are supposed Conservatives, it smells of copying all the worst from the PC brigade.

    "Phillips Attacks Legal Pro-White British Party" would’ve been a more accurate and less sensationalist title, copying leftists and PC reactionary’s isn’t the best way in claiming to be opposed to their childish tactics, be rational and conservative about it at least.

    We don’t need a CRE anyway, we’ve got equality laws, Phillips is maybe just trying to appear like he’s needed by being sensationalist. If you want to see real Black racist views visit the NBPP site or the Ligali forum.

  77. The British equivalent of Al Sharpton, or maybe Jesse Jackson. All doing nicely out of keeping racial tension, or at least the concept, alive..

  78. As regards Sharif Gawad:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharif_Abdel_Gawad
    http://www.bnp.org.uk/news_detail.php?newsId=854

    It’s called ‘Google’, boys and girls.

  79. –CJ–

    "I am no PC liberal, I’d respect the BNP alot more if they worried more about White English culture and identity and less about denigrating others,"

    Ran a quick google search, found the following bits and bobs:

    http://tinyurl.com/2pjqem
    http://tinyurl.com/2q8mjv

    "there clearly is a racist and extremist element within the BNP – maybe Trevor Phillips unfairly labelled all BNP members as extremist racists, but he didn’t say "Whites are subhuman" which is what the title of the post inferred."

    I’d like to ask everybody accusing me of misconstruing Phillips’ words to give a single cogent argument proving that ‘less than human’ is not ‘subhuman’ by any other name.

    Regarding the idiotic accusation that I’ve used the term myself to describe people, I can only say ‘invest in a dictionary. Please’. Unmensch = inhuman. Untermensch = subhuman.

  80. >>to give a single cogent argument proving that ‘less than human’ is not ‘subhuman’ by any other name<<

    Well, the most immediate argument is that in your attempts at shit-stirring you deliberately chose the latter, used it about 10 times, even tho Philipps never used it and deliberately avoided using the former, the words he actually used.

    So maybe you are best positioned to tell us the difference. If they both mean the same, why did you pick one he didnt use and avoid the one he did?

    Also "Unmensch" is a noun and can’t be translated as "inhuman". It in fact means "non-human", "fiend", etc.

    Trying to extract yourself from your Tangled Web again, eh?

  81. Cunningham: the waves of logic crash upon the shore of ignorance. keep up the good work.

    Mr. Smith – admit that the guy wasn’t attacking all whites as you suggest and you might get people to agree that what the individual said was wrong. Exaggerate the statement and you lose crdibility.

  82. Kloot

    Phillips wasn’t talking of people who happen to be white. He knew he could speak of the BNP in those terms because of what they are and damn well get away with it. It’s an attack of a kind with a long track record.

    I believe you fail to recognise the history of the race relations industry and how it turns a blind eye to racism against you know who.

  83. "Also "Unmensch" is a noun and can’t be translated as "inhuman". "

    It’s far worse than Untermensch .

    May I call others "subhuman" as well – nobody cares , right ?

  84. "I believe you fail to recognise the history of the race relations industry and how it turns a blind eye to racism against you know who."

    Amusing indeed . Well , let’s just wait until non-white muslims are declared persona non grata by the jews – then we may open the hunting season by pretending they are palestinian terrorists 🙂

  85. After 80 or so comments I take it MR Smith is still trying to pedal his headline as anything but moronic.

    Kudos to those not yet bored with banging their heads against a particularly dense wall.

  86. AMDG

    Are you including Israeli Arabs? You know, the ones with the same rights as any Jew.

  87. He urged people to turn their backs on racists in communities and at the ballot box and showed his contempt for the British National Party by saying they should be treated as "less than human".

    Not being from Britian I’m not sure I grasp all of this. Is the BNP a "multicultural" party? If they are not it seems that many here are truly white haters?

  88. The BNP are the equivolent of the American neo-nazi’s

  89. "Amusing indeed . Well , let’s just wait until non-white muslims are declared persona non grata by the jews – then we may open the hunting season by pretending they are palestinian terrorists :)"

    Nice bit of anti-semitic mopery! Who are "the jews" exactly? Does being part jewish make me "one of them"?

  90. "You know, the ones with the same rights as any Jew."

    There is only one of them in the Israeli government , and his role is insignificant . At the same time , the wall keeps getting bigger , and new colonies are erected .

  91. "Nice bit of anti-semitic mopery!"

    The fact that I support the official policy of Israel in this regard does make me an anti-semite ? What a joke …

  92. And so I get a night’s sleep, pop back to this thread and what do I see? The usual suspects still jumping up and down about what Mr Smith meant by the headline of the post and failing to address the substance of it. Oh and now we have "waaah waaah waaah, ‘subhuman’ is worse than ‘less than human’ " as if that makes Phillips remarks OK.

    And still, after all this time not one of you pathetic lot has taken BNP Member up on his challenge. My oh my, he and any other BNP people watching this thread must be laughing their asses off at you all now. This is the best you can come up with to a challenge direct from the BNP to debate the issues?

    "The BNP are the equivolent of the American neo-nazi’s"

    "BNP Member – I thought meaningless insults was your policy"

    You sad, sad people.

  93. "There is only one of them in the Israeli government , and his role is insignificant . At the same time , the wall keeps getting bigger , and new colonies are erected"

    There is no wall. Its a fence, about 5% of it is actual bricks and mortar, and those are mostly the bits adjoining Israeli roadways, including school bus routes which Palestinian snipers used to shoot at Jewish children from on their way to school.

    Its funny how Israel pulling out of Gaza and forcibly evicting its own citizens from their homes becomes ‘new colonies being erected’, isnt it…

  94. DSD, im not laughing but i am a bit disappointed. I second the points in your posts above, but reading all of the hair splitting comments has simply made me to tired to re-iterate them.

    Maybe people might like to consider what has happened to one of our female candidates seemingly at the hands of one of Trevor’s angels (There is a connection to the labour party) and wonder if his sort of rhetoric has anything to do with it?

  95. Oh my God!

    People, you are not quite getting the fundamental crux here. If anyone white had said anyone black was subhuman…you’d have every UK version of our illustrious Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson screaming at the top of his lungs that that person was a racist. You simply cannot doubt that.

    Parsing the individual words, subtle meanings and specifics is all very nice in a philosophy class, bit there’s no place and no time for it on the battlefield.

    While you are dithering about what he actually said, what he might have meant and what excuses you can make for him, they’re taking down everyone white who breathes a word of sense with regard to race…as a racist.

    Given your enemies, and the general state of things in the UK…I’d say it’s time to play dirty.

    Personally, I think the BNP might be your only hope. As far as I can tell, from way over here across the pond, they are the only ones who seems to believe that an English England has any right to exist or is worth fighting for.

    What is it they stand for that is so scandalous?

    Isn’t it: White People Deserve a Country of their own.

    My God, how unthinkable.

    But then, I’m just a bloodthirsty, gun-toting American. What the hell do I know?

  96. "Oh my God!
    People, you are not quite getting the fundamental crux here. If anyone white had said anyone black was subhuman…you’d have every UK version of our illustrious Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson screaming at the top of his lungs that that person was a racist. You simply cannot doubt that.
    Parsing the individual words, subtle meanings and specifics is all very nice in a philosophy class, bit there’s no place and no time for it on the battlefield.
    While you are dithering about what he actually said, what he might have meant and what excuses you can make for him, they’re taking down everyone white who breathes a word of sense with regard to race…as a racist."

    I’m not a liberal by any stretch of the imagination, which means I don’t get hysterical, tell lies or half truths, so I’m not going to pretend he said something he didn’t say. Certainly I don’t have any love for Trevor Phillips or his ilk. But there are certain members of the BNP who have inhuman ideas, not so long ago their leader was an anti-semitic holocaust denier, which is a very inhuman philosophy in my estimates. As someone opposed to anti-semitism and holocaust denial, I could not vote for the BNP, even if morons like Phillips exist. I can understand that non-racist White patriotic Britons can get crucified for no reason, the BNP however are condemned by their own past deeds.

    "Personally, I think the BNP might be your only hope. As far as I can tell, from way over here across the pond, they are the only ones who seems to believe that an English England has any right to exist or is worth fighting for.

    What is it they stand for that is so scandalous?"

    "I am well aware that the orthodox opinion is that 6 million Jews were gassed and cremated and turned into lampshades. Orthodox opinion also once held that the Earth was flat… I have reached the conclusion that the "extermination" tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie, and latter witch-hysteria." Nick Griffin, BNP leader.

    I’d vote for UKIP or any other party with less anti-semitic baggage.

    "Isn’t it: White People Deserve a Country of their own.
    My God, how unthinkable."

    I wholeheartedly believe that White English culture and identity needs to be restored to its rightful place, instead of being racistly denigrated by ironically so-called "anti-racist" liberals, and I’d support any party seeking to cut immigration, campaign for the culture and heritage of the English, Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish people in their own country – but I’m not going to vote BNP.

    "But then, I’m just a bloodthirsty, gun-toting American. What the hell do I know?"

    Well If I was an American, maybe I’d be one of those to 🙂

  97. CJ,

    "I wholeheartedly believe that White English culture and identity needs to be restored to its rightful place…"

    You may as well try to write on water. White English culture can’t be corralled in the way I think you mean. It may once have lived in England but now it belongs to the world. Shakespeare used to be a provincial dramatist who moved to London. Look at him now. And watch the Arctic Monkeys storm the world.

  98. "White English culture can’t be corralled in the way I think you mean."

    Well I don’t believe it needs to be corralled in anyway, it is a part of England, just a denigrated and looked down upon part. Englishness, just like Scottish, Welsh or Northern Irish, deserves to be respected in England. And the fact that English culture has had such an impact on the World, is testament to the need to restore its respect back in England.