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WHY LABOUR FEARS THIS TANGLED WEB….

By ATWadmin On November 17th, 2006

I read with interest that Tony Blair’s outgoing policy chief has said he fears the internet could be fuelling a "crisis" in "the relationship" between politicians and voters. Oh Yeah?

Matthew Taylor – who stressed he was speaking as a "citizen" not a government spokesman – (Sure, we understand!) said the web could be "fantastic" for democracy. But it was too often used to encourage the "shrill discourse of demands" that dominated modern politics.  Taylor says…

"The internet has immense potential but we face a real problem if the main way in which that potential expresses itself is through allowing citizens to participate in a shrill discourse of demands. What is the big breakthrough, in terms of politics, on the web in the last few years? It’s basically blogs which are, generally speaking, hostile and, generally speaking, basically see their job as every day exposing how venal, stupid, mendacious politicians are. "

 

But that’s because many politicians ARE VENAL, STUPID and mendacious and decent blogs such as this are delighted to point this out.  But we think way beyond that – as the myriad topics discussed here demonstrate. From my perspective Taylor gives the game away when he adds.

"We have a citizenry which can be caricatured as being increasingly unwilling to be governed…"

Governments want us to just sit back, smile and let them do what they believe to be best for us. Even if it hurts a little. To hell with that. The more "shrill" we get, dear Mr Taylor, the healthier for our democracy. Your comments speak volumes for this rotten control freak government!

22 Responses to “WHY LABOUR FEARS THIS TANGLED WEB….”

  1. Once More Unto the Breach! The advantge to blogging is the lack of mainstream control. A public forum. I hope politicians hate it. That can only mean it is working!

  2. Why would anyone see Matthew Taylor as "venal, stupid, mendacious"? Perhaps it is because he openly admits to it:

    "We felt cheated-by lying Tories, by lazy journalists and by stupid, selfish voters. We promised ourselves that it would never happen again. We would never be the suckers who told the truth"
    http://www.prospect-magazine.co.uk/article_details.php?id=3678

    And people say Labour don’t keep their promises.

  3. They should consider themselves lucky that a bit of pressure can escape through this valve,

    Wat Tyler had the right idea.

  4. Richard,

    You’re right.

  5. I must remember to sharpen my pitchfork!

  6. They really do see themselves as something superior don’t they?

    He uses the phrase ‘stupid voters’ a few too many times for my liking!

    The internet is perhaps the nearest thing the world has ever seen to a truely democratic forum. Too large to be controlled by any single entiy, and yet available to all!.

    I think that this is a bit of ‘kite flying’ in view of the forthcoming internatinal discussions on internet control.

    Those bastard euroweenies are at it again!…

  7. David,

    Saw this article – was very amused by it…..

    We are allowed to think, as long as its the right thoughts…..

  8. >>>Once More Unto the Breach! The advantge to blogging is the lack of mainstream control. A public forum. I hope politicians hate it. That can only mean it is working!<<<

    well said. and you too richard.

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    this should be taken in the context its meant to be. its a veiled notification that net neutrality is going to come under threat soon. governments let a monster out of the cage, with the internet, and they know the best way to reign it back in is to let the corporations take effective control. less choice less real freedom.

    this will become a very hot topic in the next few years. but one i hope every political hue on the net can come together and completely crush.

  9. "I hope politicians hate it. That can only mean it is working!"

    So true… God, I love blogs.

  10. Blogs, especially blogs like ATW, are a real vent for peoples frustration, its unfiltered and its raw.

    The problem is getting more and more people to become aware of the existence of blogs.

    Main stream politicians are bland, never varying from the script. They expect us to vote them in because they put 10 big posters down the main street with pictures saying "Vote for me". Thats all they say. They dont say vote for me because ill get you that new school youve been waiting on, or vote for me and ive got this plan that will fix the queues in your local hospital, its simple a poster saying.."vote for me".

    Well, why should I!! I wouldnt buy a car without looking at the brochure and checking it out with an expert. So why would i give my vote to someone just because they put a poster up asking me to…arrrgggg

    I think modern politics has failed to catch up with the fact that the modern electorate is educated and confident. They want solutions and not talk. There are more and more floating voters because they are prepared to support any party which gets them what they want. The problem is, that since all the parties are essentially offering the same thing, the floating voters get converted into undecided voters and then split off into spoilt votes or they just dont bother voting.

  11. I see the Dutch are to ban the burqa

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6159046.stm

    Have they been brain-washed by bloggers? Or are the blogs reflecting the public mood?

  12. What a bunch of elitist "da internet users is two dum to be trusted wif informations in da blogs" hogwash. Matthew Taylor is a moron (hostile enough for you?).

    ‘It’s basically blogs which are, generally speaking, hostile and, generally speaking, basically see their job as every day exposing how venal, stupid, mendacious politicians are’

    Which is exactly why politicians don’t like them. Oh no! The Great Unwashed have access to publishing tools! How will the witless and undiscriminating public manage to wade through and determine which blogs are worth their time?

    Generally speaking, most people blog as a hobby and not as a "job."

  13. Typical politician… The same feelings from the majority of politicians here … it just gauls them that its a form of information and journalism that they can’t control

  14. This reminds me of a Hillary Clinton comment a while back about the need to regulate the Internet.

    The web is very much a revolutionary, democratizing institution. Most of it is bullshit, but the rest allows for quality conversation within the neighborhood and across the world.

    Blogs have improved the quality of journalism by busting frauds from the big media like Dan Rather in the US and the fauxtography guy at Reuters. No blogs, Rather is still on TV and Haji or whoever he is still has his photos on the front page of your newspaper.

  15. Phantom
    I think you’re right. Most of the stuff on the internet is rubbish; what I cannot abide is the notions from politicians and journalists that we little people are too stupid to recognize the difference between useless crap and valuable information. In fact, in almost every instance where somebody posts something on their blog that is inaccurate, they are called out for it immediately and only the worst, low-traffic blogs don’t post corrections or admit mistakes when they happen.

  16. Politician are usually uselesss and inefficient at providing the necessary public services which they have control over, but I bet if they put their minds to it they would be very efficient at suppressing the freedom of the Internet precisely because it is something WE control.

  17. >>>This reminds me of a Hillary Clinton comment a while back about the need to regulate the Internet.<<<

    there is a need to maintain a certain amount of regulation, in order to protect the user, and the entrepreneur. without it there is nothing to stop your isp or telco from limiting services to those they have agreements to provide, eg MSN VoIP only. far from aiding the free market, deregulation tends to stifle a truely free market. in america you only have to look at what happened to the airwaves when the government deregulated that market. devastation corporatism, and no free market.

    hilary seems to support our position. though ive only had a cursory look, no doubt some vigilent pundit has worked out her spin.

    http://clinton.senate.gov/news/statements/details.cfm?id=255815

    wiki has a good primer.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_neutrality

    ATW could do us all a favour by running a big peice on this complicated and crucial topic.

  18. This is why it’s vital that America keeps control of the internet rather than give it to Europe – like them or not, the Americans will let the bloggers say what they like

  19. >>>This is why it’s vital that America keeps control of the internet rather than give it to Europe – like them or not, the Americans will let the bloggers say what they like<<<

    im in agreement to the extent that they protect it and retain the freedoms that we all enjoy online. but federal deregulation in the US will affect everyone else. if big business gets its way then the future will be surfing a series of private intranets. the little guy will be ruthlessly crushed, as usual.

  20. >>>This is why it’s vital that America keeps control of the internet rather than give it to Europe – like them or not, the Americans will let the bloggers say what they like<<<

    It would be interesting to see if the net had been administered by the EU..I could see it being a more restrictive place, with perhaps (French-inspired) limitations on some of the, ahem, robust comments that one hears about individuals and certain fine religions from the Middle Eastern area.

  21. Deregulation has been a success, the very deregulation that you quote gitboy created a whole new market. The deregulation of the airways may have weeded out the mom and pop operations but the programming and listinership increased a 100 fold and brought radio back from the brink also creating viable competition to the TV and print news orginizations

    But your position stands where I expect it to be from a commie/socialist like yourself who better for you to identifie with than a true marxist like Hilary…LOL

    Free markets which is what deregulation is are always superior in the long run… It’s a little something you might have heard of even if it’s out of your grasp it’s called capitalism…

  22. troll your national airwaves are owned by a handful of large companies. regulation is not nationalisation. its about protecting the little guy from the predations of the big conglomerates. truely free markets need a certain amount of protection from the excesses of big money.

    and considering deregulation is done from within, via the most powerful lobby in washington id say deregulation, for the benefit of big business, is closer to the marxist dream of centralised control, than the alternative.

    in the case of the internet we are the little guys.