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It’s the Border, Stupid!

By ATWadmin On May 20th, 2007

Bush, McCain and all of the other Republicans and Democrats pushing for debate and approval of the McCain-Kennedy concoction called “Comprehensive Immigration Reform Legislation” have it a** backwards. 

Build the wall.  Control immigration by checking and stamping passports.

THEN talk about “regularizing” the 12 million illegals already here. BTW, nobody is talking about a general round-up and deportation of illegal aliens already in the US.  This is your classic “strawman.”

And, would it be too much to close down the tunnels that pop up around San Diego?  And crack down on corruption and payola schemes flourishing in border towns because of the highly profitable drug traffic?    Please….

Before investing billions in ineffective bureaucratic efforts to regularize illegals already here????

On a more micro level, and as calmly as possible, let me say that the McCain Kennedy fiasco, in addition to substantially ignoring the porousness of the US Mexican border, will not work because it requires illegals already in the country to:

Return home for a substantial period of time
Pay a fee and back taxes
And have a job waiting for them in the states

Not. Going. To. Happen.

Imagine: You are one of Mexico’s millions – little education, rural, poor – with energy and a pretty good sense of direction.  You cross the hot treacherous desert at night to enter the US, illegally. You leave family and familiarity behind.  You obtain low-wage work cleaning houses or doing gardening work. You send most of your money home to the family you left behind.

And now, because of a promise of legality, you are going to give up your small stake in the US, return to Mexico where you have no job, and little hope of finding one, AND you are going to pay a fine and back taxes?

Only in the ivory towers of Washington DC could such idiocy be contemplated.

 

18 Responses to “It’s the Border, Stupid!”

  1. 10 years ago I jumped through the green card hoops: gotta job to go to that cannot be filled by USA citizens?, Medicals and shots for family of 6, Police checks for every place we ever lived. Blood tests. Proof of net worth. Interview. Air fares.

    Not a problem if we all get treated the same; what’s so special about the guys and gals from south of the border?

  2. Good post Patty.

    I agree 100%. No state can survive long term without secure borders and immigration control. And the amnesty won’t work for exactly the reasons you give.

  3. Great post Patty.

    I don’t know where to start with how bad this piece of legislation is. I may still be too pissed off to comment rationally.

    From my experience and reporting from other blogs, it looks like the RNC and every republican senate and house member have been bombarded with emails that have overwhelmed most sites to the point of overload. The phones are busy too. The polls show that over 50% of Democrats don’t like it either. With enough pressure, we can keep the House from sending this abomination to Senor Jorge Bush.

  4. Stu,

    Thank you.

  5. Yes, this expectation does seem a little silly really – but can you Americans help me. I have visited Tombstone, Arizona, on five seperate occasions. On each occasion I have encountered a Border Patrol Check Point where I have observed illegal immigrants lined up to board a bus so that they can be taken straight back to Mexico. What I want to know is why can the good old US do this without anyone turning a hair whilst here in the UK such immediate action appears impossible?

  6. Patty:

    "Return home for a substantial period of time
    Pay a fee and back taxes
    And have a job waiting for them in the states"

    Without (yet) espousing an opinion on the proposed legislation, one should note that this is likely just a negotiation starting point. The requirements quoted above will no doubt be diluted down and bargained over.

    Right now the $5000 fine may as well be $5,000,000 to the subjects involved, meaning, illegals will continue as is.

    The proposal doesn’t take account of fundamental facts, bearing in mind this proposal is focused on Mexican labor. White American perpetuates this issue, it is white America that acquires and pays cash for this type of labor. It is white American that doesn’t want to pay any more for their groceries and gardening service. White American doest want to perform the type of labor this category of immigrants perform.

    Maybe those who have an adverse opinion of illegal labor shouldn’t eat in restaurants where their food is prepared by illegal labor, or live in a house built using illegal labor.

    I view this as an economic issue rather that an immigration or security issue.

    Round up and deport the 12 million illegals already here? Sure, then see what happens to the price of basic goods and services.

    Seal the border? Sure, then buy yourself a ladder because you will not be able to afford to have a white contractor trim your palm trees.

  7. MCGrath, are you American?

  8. McGrath: I think it is a legal American v. illegal alien situation – not white v. Mexican. It is not just about cheap labor. The porous border is a concern as it allows entrance to terrorists, drug dealers, and other undesirables.

    Our economy would not shut down if cheap labor was not so readily available. Illegals gain alot more from the open border deal than legal citizens.

    And it certainly would be nice to have hospitals, schools and road infrastructure back on better financial footing.

    The agriculture industry would probably take a big financial hit if we were to lose all of the illegal labor, but problems would be worked out.

    Finally, nobody is saying they want to round anybody up. This is a scare tactic used by La Raza and others.

    We need to control our borders. And then "normalize" our illegals so that they pay taxes and contribute to the infrastructure which is creaking under their weight.

  9. MCGrath, are you American?

    Monday, May 21, 2007 at 01:39AM | Daphne

    Nope, born in Belfast, but lived in California for the past 16 years.

  10. Patty:

    McGrath: I think it is a legal American v. illegal alien situation – not white v. Mexican. It is not just about cheap labor. The porous border is a concern as it allows entrance to terrorists, drug dealers, and other undesirables.

    (1) Sorry Patty, it is all about cheap labor. Labor no legal resident is prepared to do.

    (2) Please provide one verifiable terrorist incident attributed to the Mexican border. Terrorists aren’t prepared to walk that far or work that hard, its much easier to fly through JFK.

    (3) Drug dealers will always find a way. Maybe if demand dropped on the USA side of the border, it would not be such a problem?

    Our economy would not shut down if cheap labor was not so readily available. Illegals gain alot more from the open border deal than legal citizens.

    (1) Granted, the economy would not shut down. Prices would change though. There would be a lot of long grass in California, and probably much more expensive housing, plus Big Macs would cost $10.00 each.

    (2) Illegals gain the equivalent of citizens, like a premium education system. Ever wonder why schools don’t ask for proof of residency when enrolling children? Strange, makes you thing Uncle Sam is OK with it.

    And it certainly would be nice to have hospitals, schools and road infrastructure back on better financial footing.

    (1) Hospitals – only provide basic emergency health care to non paying customers – in this country they will let you die of cancer if you cant pay.

    (2) Schools – Should ask for proof of residency before enrolling new students – see previous point.

    (3) Roads – If you buy gasoline and pay your vehicle tax, then the roads you drive on are paid for.

    The agriculture industry would probably take a big financial hit if we were to lose all of the illegal labor, but problems would be worked out.

    (1) I am excited to hear from you about which category of people are prepared to pick vegetables for $4.25 per hour. Considering mortgages just doubled because of the lack of labor, $4.25 seems a bit infeasible for the monthly repayment.

    Finally, nobody is saying they want to round anybody up. This is a scare tactic used by La Raza and others.

    (1) Agreed

    We need to control our borders. And then "normalize" our illegals so that they pay taxes and contribute to the infrastructure which is creaking under their weight.

    (1) When you earn $4.25 per hour, the "Earned Income Credit" on your 1040 tax return means the government actually owes you money. In line with your school of economics, you better pray the Mexicans don’t start doing tax returns!

  11. MCGRATH:

    (2) Please provide one verifiable terrorist incident attributed to the Mexican border. Terrorists aren’t prepared to walk that far or work that hard, its much easier to fly through JFK.

    (3) Drug dealers will always find a way. Maybe if demand dropped on the USA side of the border, it would not be such a problem?

    These two are basically the same. You’re saying "bad stuff happens, so why try to prevent it." Ridiculous.

    1) Granted, the economy would not shut down. Prices would change though. There would be a lot of long grass in California, and probably much more expensive housing, plus Big Macs would cost $10.00 each.

    The lack of leaf blowers and house cleaners is irrelevant. Maybe housing costs would go up with construction costs. Certainly agriculture would feel it. Why Big Macs?

    (1) Hospitals – only provide basic emergency health care to non paying customers – in this country they will let you die of cancer if you cant pay.

    This is flat-out not true. For example, many a woman has crossed the border to have her baby FREE in an American hospital. THis practice has significantly raised the price of my medical treatment because I have to pay for those who don’t pay through increased fees.

    Regarding schools – where I live the public schools are terrible. Overenrolled with non-English speakers. In the past 5 years, significantly worse.

    Anyway, I can’t answer each of your points. It’s too late here.

    I actually have no beef with Mexicans. I don’t think we can absorb all of rural Mexico, though, and at the rate we’re going we are reaching critical mass – at least in LA.

    The bill coming up does not control immigration – it just provides amnesty to those who are here.

    Off topic – do you like California?

  12. There is a need for immigration reform that is acknowledged by both poltical parties. The U.S. was built on immigration, including Patty’s family.

  13. Mahons: How do you know I’m not Native American? Oh, well, OK – I’m not.

    Seriously. Yes, America is a country of immigrants. Does this mean that we shouldn’t secure our borders?

  14. Patty a/k/a Pochahontus – I just had a feeling. Plus you never mention casinos.

    Secure borders are fine. It is a matter of degree and perception. A wall alienates a friendly neighbor (Mexico) and helps the loonies in Latin and South America (see Chavez) portray us as a bully. As the world gets smaller, we’ll need our natural allies. I am not for a whole scale amnesty, or open borders, but we don’t have to turn ourselves into some forbidding fortress.

  15. McGrath:
    Here’s a terrorist incident attributable to the Mexican border ace, the foiled attack on Ft Dix NJ was planned by illegal aliens who entered the US via Mexico. Its clear that if you live in the USA you’d know that the Mexican border is so bad that the coyotes are bringing in Chinese as well as Arabs.

    All of whom are devotees of the religion of peace. As far as your racist comments go regarding white America go, who do you think exploits these Mexicans in getting them across the border and acts as middle men for the farmers? Its other Mexicans, but I guess in your eyes they’re all descended from the black Irish right?

    What a wanker.

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