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By David Vance On October 25th, 2011

We live in a modern representative democracy where we elect politicians to represent our views in Parliament. Then again, we don’t. According to the BBC’s print arm “The Guardian”…

Conservative rebels pushing for an in-or-out referendum on Europe are riding the tide of public opinion, according to a Guardian/ICM poll. Some 70% of voters want a vote on Britain’s EU membership, and by a substantial nine-point margin respondents say they would vote for UK withdrawal. Forty-nine per cent would vote to get Britain out of Europe, against just 40% who prefer to stay in. There is a clear majority for staging a referendum in all social classes and regions of the UK. Men and women are similarly keen, although rather more Conservative (71%) than Labour voters (65%) are calling for a poll.

Got that? So even the EU-loving left wing Guardian suggests that the OVERWHELMING number of British people want a referendum on the EU and most would vote for withdrawal.

Contrast that with what happened in The Commons last evening when the overwhelming majority of MP’s voted AGAINST the consideration of such a referendum. 111 out of 600+ showed the patriotic zeal voters expect and supported the idea of holding a referendum but 483 said NO to the idea of letting the people speak. They much prefer to have us mute.

Let’s face it – we live in a benign tyranny and when it comes to our never ending subjugation in the rancid EU, we will not be allowed to speak via our elected politicians. What options does that leave? Cameron has shown himself to be toothless on this, just one more Europhile dressed in Eurosceptics clothing.


  1. Poor showing. They should have this bloody referendum and let the issue be decided once and for all.

    Interesting that the survey shows almost as many Labour supporters in favour as Conservatives.

  2. My MP was one of the 68 who signed the motion..so I know which way he voted. Good man…though I confess that I didn’t vote for his party since I cannot stomach Cameron. I UKIP’ed.

  3. Given the Tories very poor showing at the last election, against an even poorer and much disliked, even hated, Labour government, – it is very doubtful that without that categoric promise, by Cameron of a referendum, whether he would have been able to even form this mockery of a government.

    To renege on such a well recorded promise, and in such a scurvy fashion, surely has to ensure that he will, – as with Obama, – be a ‘one term’ Prime Minister.

    That this vote was not for an immediate referendum, but more of a reaffirmation of that election time promise, for some future action on the matter, rather nullified the excuse that this might upset the current EU discussions on the non-exisitent solution to the current financial crisis.

    It is as though the electorate was half expecting him to renege, – and he duly obliged.

    I once read that there was nothing worse than a liar, – this certainly proves the point…

  4. I saw the debate (well, until Doc Marten came on the other side) and it wasn;t quite as dull as I feared. Redwood and Cash spoke particularly well. Sir Stuart Bell, the Labour joker, put up the best defence of EU occupation but as a Chevalier of the Légion d’honneur we can see what a patriot he is.

    The Commons was populated mainly with euro-realists and then as vote time approached, all of a sudden, in came the quislings. One Tory MP was clearly pissed when he spoke.

    At least we can finally settle what has long been clear to anyone with half a brain: the Tory Party is the party of betrayal. Not even the Lib/Labs can hold a candle to it for selling out the British people its MPs supposedly serve.

    It is a full-on, 100%, turbocharged, pro-EU, pro-suzerain, euro-nutter faction which cannot die fast enough. Cameron and Hague are as pro-EU as von Rompuy, Barroso or Catherine Ashton (who ought to be stripped of her honour).

    Yet again Tory voters were suckered and taken for the fools they so clearly are. Oh but that was one last chance in 2010, they said. This is rubbish of course. Like beaten dogs they’ll be back again to kiss their master’s arse next time out.

  5. Britain will get it’s opportunity to bail on the EU when it goes into complete colapse and only then if your lucky.

  6. ‘opportunity to bail on the EU when it goes into complete colapse ‘

    Perhaps there is some truth in that old saying that ‘out of the mouths of babes and children comes truth!’, after all.

    Could it possibly be that Cameron is really playing a crafty game and stalling on a decision for a referendum, in the, more than realistic, hope that the EU will soon be no more than an unpleasant memory. He then will not have to go through all the aggro and expense of a vote.

    That way he will not be seen as an ‘enemy’ by ‘them’, and might just regain his title as ‘flavour of the month’, back home. He likely sees it as a ‘win-win’ situation…

  7. According to the BBC’s print arm “The Guardian”…

    I thought it was the BBC that was the mouthpiece of the Guardian? Or are they interchangeable as required for the point being made?