Kill-adelphia: Yet again, city tops list of homicide rates
By The Troll On December 31st, 2011Murders are up again this year in Philadelphia, and the city still has the highest homicide rate of the nation’s 10 most populous cities, according to stats provided by each city’s police department. At the same time, fewer murders are getting solved.
With a few days left in the year, the city’s homicide tally stood at 324 Wednesday, including the eight victims allegedly killed in previous years by West Philly abortionist Kermit Gosnell. Last year, 306 people were killed, and the year before, 302.
But despite the jump in homicides this year, city officials prefer to focus on the past. When they compare numbers, they go back to 2007, when murders in Philly were at the five-year high of 392. Looking at it that way, they get a 17 percent decrease in the murder rate from 2007 to 2011.
Police spokesman Lt. Raymond Evers said the department compares this year’s tally with 2007′s to see long-range trends. “It’s hard to get a trend between two years,” he said.
But John Coleman, shopping at the Uceta market yesterday, wasn’t buying the spin.
“They lyin’,” said Coleman, 25.
New York’s rate is 6.1, and even notorious Los Angeles’ is only 7.8, though rates for some smaller cities – like Detroit, New Orleans and St. Louis – are much worse than Philly.
Numbers aside, officials have no unexpected explanations for what’s driving the trends. Some observers point to demographics.
Black citizens comprised 84 percent of homicide victims from January to June 2011, according to police statistics. Evers said he expects that trend will remain consistent once numbers are crunched through December.
Police Commissioner Charles Ramsey laments the state’s lack of strong gun control. Firearms were used in nearly 82 percent of the city’s murders this year. Although shootings dropped more than 3 percent, more injuries ended in death, Ramsey said.
He makes this statement knowing NOT ONE murder was committed by a LEGAL GUN OWNER. Out of the solved murder cases ALL perpetrators had ILLEGALLY obtained Firearms, and the unsolved murders consist of a majority of drug related homicides. So as usual the answer to dealing with violent criminals is disarm Law Abiding Citizens.
Yes, disarm the legal gun owner is how they dealt with the problem of gun killings over here on this side of the pond. Can’t say it really worked.
Is there anything else that can be said about the great majority of the perps, something obvious but not PC?
Who told you that no Homicides were committed by legal gun owners? Nsme your source please.
Do you think that no homicides are committed by legal gun owners in the US?
Allan
That they were male ? Juat proves how uncivilised and biologically inferior male humans are doesn’t it ?
The reason philly’s such a bad-ass city is it’s directly across the Deleware River from Camden and Trenton, NJ.
They send all their hommies over to the city of brotherly love, cause the Mayors of these NJ cities spread the rumour that the crank there is half of the price of the Jersey ice.
The mayors figure the dudes will either get wacked in a bad buy deal or over-dose on some strychnine laced crystal.
There’s more ways of getting rid of roaches than stompin on them.
In either case it’s just another way of takin out the trash.
My source Phantom is the Philly Police where I still have family members serving as Police officers.
Yes you can find murder cases where a legal gun owner killed someone, but not in any of the cases last year in Philly.
If you want to prove me wrong scan any of the Philly press for a story on the over 290 arrests and point it out. You will find none.
Colm – that’s good. Anything else about these ‘males’?
If you’re referring to the black murder rate being much higher than the white murder rate- and most of the US cities with very high murder rates being majority black- then everyone already knows that.
Ross – that’s just pure racism. Are you implying that blacks are more violent than whites?
Allan
They are Americans ?
They are young and live in cities or MSAs?
Young black males in the US do have a higher murder rate and higher murdered rate…but it’s not due merely to the color of their skin. If one wants to live in an environment where gun availability is easy, then you got to start investing in the playpen and not the state pen. You have to rectify the conditions that breed hostility, estrangement, and hopelessness…give kids a reason to value their own life and they’ll value others’ lives. There’s truth to the trite statement that guns don’t kill people, people do…so cities have to address why (mostly) young people kill.
Why is Achorage, Alaska always on the high-crime list though?
mairin2,
Why is Achorage, Alaska always on the high-crime list though?
I would think the answer obvious Mairin….. stealth negroes… painted all white to blend in with the back ground
I think the answer is going to be something to do with Sarah Palin
Gun nut states tend to have high gun homicide rates
Just as gun nut countries tend to have high gun homicide rates
Elementary
“Why is Anchorage Alaska always on the high-crime list?”
Only in your PC-befuddled minds, mairin and Emmy.
http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0309.pdf
Above are the criminality rates of major US cities in tabulated for for comparison. Anchorage is quite low down the crime rate. Looking at the highest crime cities, it could probably be determined that crime is directly related to the %-black population.
What does PC have to do with this discussion? Falling back on that sort of rhetoric diminishes the discussion and your credibility.
Anchorage has a huge sexual violence problem, Allan and Tte FBI’s report shows Anchorage had 813 reported violent crimes per 100,000 residents. It also found that Anchorage has a higher crime rate than cities of comparable size. That from this year’s FBI report.
The ratio of number of residents in Anchorage to the number of sex offenders is 302 to 1.
mairin
Don’t be silly. Everyone knows that violent and sexual crimes are only committed by Muslims and Blacks. If Anchorage has a low population of both then it must be a virtual crime free Little house on the paririe populated only by angelic Heidis Waltons and Swiss Family Robinsons..
It seems rural Alaska has a big sexual violence problem also…this from their state troopers…many of the victims are preteens.
http://newsminer.com/view/full_story/16928753/article-Terrible-numbers–Sex-crimes-in-rural–Alaska-need-attention?instance=home_opinion_editorial
A state on federal welfare with high crime that gave us Palin and her bridge to nowhere
Give it back to the Russians
PC has everything to do with perspectives of crime. The murder rate in Anchorage (see the heading of this thread) is 4.2 per 100,000 population: this is low as compared with Detroit (40), Baltimore (37.3), Washington DC (24), New Orleans (51.7), Newark NJ (28.7) etc. The cities and metropiltan areas which have high crime rates have a certain demographic characteristic which is not discussed by the talking heads on mainstream media on pain of loss of job.
But Allan – it is discussed – Black on Black crime is not remotely a hidden topic.
Hey Colm happy new year
Hmm, I’m actually in the position where I agree more with Allan than with everyone else.
The extremely high murder rate in some US cities is down far more to demographics than things like gun laws. The 2nd amendment applies as much to Portland, El Paso and Honolulu as it does to Detroit and Baltimore yet they have a fraction of the homicides.
Alaska’s crime rate may well have a lot to do with their demographics too. Alaska has a lot of Native Americans. I can’t find specific crime levels for the Inuit but among Native Americans as a whole rates fo sexual abuse are much higher than for any other group.
There are lots of caveats that could be added but the basic patterns are there.
Ross
Of course their is a disproportionate amount of violent crime amongst the Black population but Allan acts as if he is the only person who knows this.
It’s not just that…it’s the implication that the violence is genetic or inherent in the population. Of course, it’s about demographics. The likely reasons for violence in Inuit communities (though that doesn’t explain Anchorage) are not so different than violence in inner cities…it about community dysfunction. There’s a direct correlation between the amount of crime in a community and a community’s ability to live together, if not in peace than at least with tolerance. I believe most violent crimes in the Inuit communities are alcohol related…that’s not an excuse but it demonstrates dysfunction. Studies also look at ‘colonization’ and the ramifications of dislocation and the relative ‘newness’ of not living in a hunter/gatherer society and learning to live and cope with community living.
I grew up in the boondocks…hence, around guns. Personally, I don’t like guns but I’m not as anti-gun as many and don’t blame them for all the ills of society.
Violence is not a one-size-fits all community cloak but what the communities that suffer from it have in common is dysfunction.
Yeah but if you ever read conspiracy theory websites, everyone talks that way- lots of indirect answers, hints and answering questions with questions.
No – I’m not the only person who knows this (greater propensity of blacks than whites to violence: conversely, lesser propensity of orientals to violence). We all know it: it’s just that I’m the only person who will say it openly and directly.
In stating that we all know it, some ‘liberals’ will deny it but whenever they have to find a place to live, one knows immediately where these hypocrites won’t be living.
Interesting article that doesn’t address crime per se but ‘the problem with urban development’ in general…and touches on one reason why Canada may have weathered the financial crisis better.
http://www.city-journal.org/2011/21_4_urban-development.html
In other cases, the institutional environment in which a city finds itself can take some of the blame for the city’s economic problems. Part of the reason for the woes of cities in western and upstate New York is the state’s tax structure, which the Tax Foundation’s 2011 State Business Tax Climate Index calls the nation’s worst for businesses, with “the third worst individual income tax, ninth worst sales tax, and worst property tax.” The Big Apple may survive those taxes, but industrial cities like Syracuse and Buffalo are withering under them. The troubled condition of many American inner cities is similarly due in part to institutional factors: once wealthier residents start leaving for the suburbs, they reduce the tax base, which further harms city services and spurs still more residents to leave. That vicious cycle is almost unknown in Canada, not because Canadian politicians have demonstrated better leadership but because services are funded differently. Education, for example, is funded by the province, meaning that a small migration to the suburbs doesn’t spark a full-fledged exodus.
Ross,
“The extremely high murder rate in some US cities is down far more to demographics than things like gun laws. ”
‘Down to’ suggests causation which is far from clear.
Probably most people who have died of starvation in recent history have been black babies under the age of 5. The demographics couldn’t be clearer but it is just as obviously true that those deaths are caused by lack of food and not by the children’s color.
In other words, these children are clearly not ‘predisposed’ to die of starvation yet according to Allan’s argument they are.