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More Betrayal

By The Troll On March 30th, 2012

The Obama Regime has leaked the location of the Israeli staging ground for the upcoming attack on Iran’s Nuclear Facilities. Leaked to Foreign Policy Magazine.

In 2009, the deputy chief of mission of the U.S. embassy in Baku, Donald Lu, sent a cable to the State Department’s headquarters in Foggy Bottom titled “Azerbaijan’s discreet symbiosis with Israel.” The memo, later released by WikiLeaks, quotes Azerbaijan’s President Ilham Aliyev as describing his country’s relationship with the Jewish state as an iceberg: “nine-tenths of it is below the surface.”

Why does it matter? Because Azerbaijan is strategically located on Iran’s northern border and, according to several high-level sources I’ve spoken with inside the U.S. government, Obama administration officials now believe that the “submerged” aspect of the Israeli-Azerbaijani alliance — the security cooperation between the two countries — is heightening the risks of an Israeli strike on Iran.

In particular, four senior diplomats and military intelligence officers say that the United States has concluded that Israel has recently been granted access to airbases on Iran’s northern border. To do what, exactly, is not clear. “The Israelis have bought an airfield,” a senior administration official told me in early February, “and the airfield is called Azerbaijan.”

Just as in the last year of the Bush Administration a phoney intelligence report was leaked days before a joint airstrike was to take place had caused the mission to be scrubbed, the attempt here is the same.

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UPDATE: I almost forgot.

The Presidents Spiritual mentor is currently participating in an attack on Israel. Rev Wright will participate in a Palestinian “Global March to Jerusalem” which on Good Friday, which is also the first day of Passover. 1000s of Arabs will march against the Israeli positions in Jerusalem.

All Israeli Military leave for Passover has been canceled, and the Israeli Military has been put on high alert.

69 Responses to “More Betrayal”

  1. Troll –

    Is the suggestion that the administration passed the info to wikileaks?

  2. Who told you that the administration leaked this intel to this magazine?

  3. both of you need to learn to read, or at least watch the clip.
    http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/03/28/israel_s_secret_staging_ground

    Oh I know, I made it up….. bubble boy, and prince of tin foil hat brigade

  4. Troll –

    You were politely asked questions, a couple of things for clarification.

    You came back with yet another insult, so you can take your link and shove it up your ignorant arse. I’m getting sick and tired of you insulting everyone on every thread you come to.

    If you haven’t the basic decency to speak with people politely then I’d suggest your fat gob.

  5. I don’t agree with much Pete says but he’s spot on in the above comment. It seems Troll’s default response is ‘you’re an ass’, it’s rude and infantile.

  6. “Petr Tarasov, on March 30th, 2012 at 5:10 pm Said:
    I don’t agree with much Pete says but he’s spot on in the above comment. It seems Troll’s default response is ‘you’re an ass’, it’s rude and infantile. “

    Or ….a ‘Knuckledragger’ or a ‘Denier’. :-)

  7. Troll

    I am reading and am not watching videos.

    You are such a snarling little chihuahua. It’s cute to observe.

    By the way, Troll, where do you have your health insurance –

    From an employer?
    Buy it yourself?
    Or you don’t have it.

    Easy question, please let me know.

  8. Harri,

    I’ve used the term knuckle dragger once here and I wasn’t referring to another commenter. I’ve never used the word denier. Nice try though.

  9. There is a dysfunctionality with the participants in the debates on this site. Whenever someone is asked a question, one of two things will happen: the respondent will villify the questioner (see above) or the respondent will reply and provide supporting evidence in support of the response following which abuse will flow from the questioner (it’s often Phantom, Geoff, mahons) because the response is ‘too good’, the most recent example being when I was asked to show that the CIA was behind Facebook – which I did and then the debate ended and the abuse started.

    I might send DV a suggestion that he impose rules of courtesy for the site – the Belfast Conventions.

    Meanwhile, and slightly OT, here is an article which caught my eye:

    http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/269700/20111219/ndaa-sopa-occupy-wall-street-anonymous-limits.htm

    – NDAA, SOPA, Occupy Wall Street and Anonymous may be off-limits on Twitter. As Twitter users who extensively discuss those topics continue to find their accounts being shut down or otherwise restricted, it seems increasingly likely that the phenomenon is more than a coincidence. -

  10. Facebook is actually a false front orgranized by the Curia, the Beltrán Leyva Cartel, a drugs gang in Mexico, and the Queen of England.

  11. Petr Tarasov, on March 30th, 2012 at 6:03 pm Said:
    Harri,

    I’ve used the term knuckle dragger once here and I wasn’t referring to another commenter. I’ve never used the word denier. Nice try though.

    Thanks, have a good evening :-)

  12. Phantom – good try but the debate is over. It ended when I proved my argument.

  13. You are mistaken. The CIA actually founded myspace.

  14. It ended when I proved my argument.

    Riiiiggghhhhttttttttttttt…..

  15. The reason most people don’t believe conspiracy theories is because conspiracy theories aren’t remotely believable to most people.

    There’s a reson for that.

  16. Allan

    As a conspiracy buff, I thought you would appreciate this. It kinda makes your point.

  17. A wise man once said that he’s interested not in conspiracy theories but in conspiracy facts.

    To suggest, as some do, that rich and powerful people do not plot and scheme and plan in secret for their benefit is to argue against conspiracy facts.

    Sure, it’s up to those who suggest conspiracies to prove their case with facts and evidence, but when facts and evidence are presented (say, in the case of the CIA and Facebook, or the CIA and the Ford Foundation et al), it’s dishonest and disingenuous not to acknowledge this.

  18. To all

    This site works best when it acts as it should. A forum for people to express OPINIONS. Links to websites that ‘prove’ things are meaningless. They don’t prove anything. For every website that claims to be the truth there will be a thousand other interpretations all claiming ti be genuine. Anyone can find a website that supposedly butresses their claims but it is all irrelevent. I would suggest that in particular both Troll and Allan stop posting numerous links and just post your opinions and leave others to share them or argue against them as takes their fancy. That is what a comment thread should be.

  19. Phantom what have you proved?

    I have ceased caring what most of you say,

    When the post is plain as can be, and the first comments are from people who obviously can’t read since the second paragraph the reporter states the HE was told

    “according to several high-level sources I’ve spoken with inside the U.S. government, Obama administration officials”

    and Bolton say’s in the video where the leak came from.

    Wellll exxxxcussssse me if I interpret most of your comments as attacks since that is usually what they are.

    If I don’t post my sources I’m a liar, if I post my sources I’m a liar because bubble boy won’t watch them or believe anything that’s not from the NYTs.

    I’ve tried to have real debates with people, but as Mahons proved again the other nite none of you are interested in debating.

    I call myself the Troll, a troll sits under a bridge and bludgeons those that cross it. I will put up news that I feel is important, and I will post my point of view. and if I pop up and bludgeon you because “I Feel” your ignorant so be it.

    Anyone who wants to act like an adult will be treated as one, personally I don’t think the majority of you are capable of it.

  20. Pete,

    You’re right. Rich and powerful people do plan and plot but conspiracy theorists see conspiracies everywhere and presume a super-human level of efficiency and discipline in bureaucracies like the CIA. This is wong-headed and deeply irrational.

    By the way, Allan’s link didn’t show the CIA are behind Facebook or anything close to it.

  21. Colm

    except for recently I never posted links, mostly because I believe if you can’t find what I’m reading you really don’t know how to use a search engine.

    As a result Petr and the rest of his merry little band insist on calling me a liar or a theif, I’m going back to my old rule and posting no links.

    I share my view because most of the people on this site don’t get a conservative point of view from the americans on here except from me and patty, you definitely don’t get it from the “news”

    Like it or not, believe it or not. Our views are held by a lot of Americans.

    We fight our wars, we police our streets, we go to church. We cling to our bibles and our guns, and we’ve bailed the rest of your asses out of two world wars

  22. personally I don’t think the majority of you are capable of it.

    Is it possible for you to post just once without being abusive?

  23. Dear all – the point which I’m making here is not an attempt to re-open an argument which was concluded elsewhere. It is simply to point out that if a contributor asks another a question in apparent good faith, the interlocutor SHOULD respond in apparent good faith and not with barbed comments. If the former ensues and with apparent supporting evidence/links, then the original questioner SHOULD engage in debate. This isn’t happening and it certainly is none of my doing because I want to engage in debate. That is surely the purpose of this site, although that is for DV to confirm.

  24. Geoff

    NO….

  25. Allan

    How do you argue with a crazy man who lives in a world of antifacts?

  26. Troll

    Don’t forget my last question for you

  27. Petr Tarasov, on March 30th, 2012 at 7:10 pm Said:
    Pete,

    You’re right. Rich and powerful people do plan and plot but conspiracy theorists see conspiracies everywhere and presume a super-human level of efficiency and discipline in bureaucracies like the CIA. This is wong-headed and deeply irrational.

    It matters not a jot, (to some ) what we think at the end of the day, as long as we still have the ability to think, and comment .. but one thing is for sure, ‘You can love your country, by all means, but you had better fear your government’.

    Me, personaly .. I trust them, [the government/the State] about as far as i can throw them.

    Actualy, i did not give a toss, about any of it, untill I reached 50, then it dawned on me, that something here, is very, very wrong?

  28. Troll

    Well at least you are honest about it. :-)

  29. Alan

    I disagree with a large portion of what you believe, I occasionally poke at you, but not that often.

    If my opinion counts, you present your points of view in a very good manner. You atleast try to get people to see why you believe what you believe.

  30. Phantom

    where I get my insurance has nothing to do with this thread, but I’ll bite. From an employer which means they pay a portion and I pay a portion.

    Geoff… thank you

  31. Troll – there have even been a couple of times when I’ve agreed with you. What is beginning to annoy me here is that some believe that an infantile quip is an acceptable response to an honestly-put argument. It isn’t, and it’s just not good enough.

  32. “If the former ensues and with apparent supporting evidence/links, then the original questioner SHOULD engage in debate. This isn’t happening and it certainly is none of my doing because I want to engage in debate.”

    Yes, fair point.

    It would be useful sometimes for people to remember that anyone can read our comments, and for that reason alone we should all respect the blog we’re on.

    Every day there are ignorant, rude and dismissive comments which must turn away potential commentators. Imagine if you’ve never been here before, you click on and you read something by Troll.

    Two seconds later and you’re off, looking for a site without ignorant, bellicose slobs.

    Have respect for yourselves and the blog.

  33. Pete Moore

    This is a blog, not The Wall Street Journal. I think you are taking this waaaaaaay too seriously.

    If someone posts insane nonsense that isn’t even worth the effort to refute, not the least because they are not interestd in the facts, then there is zero point in engaging that person. Much better to draw attention to the absurdity of their position.

  34. yes Pete your right, that Troll guy is just rude. He never puts up decent posts, and everyone comments so nicely towards hims. You know if we could just get him off of here it would be a nice peaceful place where we could just talk about the love and harmony of The Catholics, and Protestants, The English and the Irish.

    Except for that Troll we’re all just such a loving group, he keeps Millions from this site

  35. Hey Pete

    I’ve been on this site for ten years, I know at least one of top ten posts ever commented on this site was one of mine, how many were yours?

    Look I’m short tempered, and I’m rude, but I’m honest, and if you act like an adult I don’t give you a hard time. If you can’t trade punches, don’t step into the ring

  36. Oh No – Troll and Pete are about to get into a “My post is bigger than yours” fight ;)

  37. Geoff Watts –

    Yet other blogs remain informative and sparkly down the threads. All I ever seem to see here now are bone-headed comments about bombing mooslimes and how some have to learn to read because ‘your’ fick and bullshit like that.

    Come on, admit it, most threads are dysfunctional. Half of them are Republican drones butting heads with liberals. Well yeah, we know who supports and who opposes Obama. Let’s have some brain action for a change, let’s have some explanation of why Obama does what he does, of what someone else would do. That’d make a change.

    I mean look at this bullshit at the top of the page. So someone said the Obama administration dobbed the Israelis in about some air base in Azerbaijan. Big fucking deal!

    Where’s the comment? Where’s the explanation? Where’s the reasoning as to why they’d do that? There isn’t any, because the bloke who posted it is a slob who knows fuck all about the world except that he’s a Republican so he hates the Democrats and that all that matters.

    Thinking? That’s for liberal and pussies man, I’m an American!

  38. When they speak of civility, I reach for my revolver.

  39. they call it a pissing contest…..

    or is that rude and will scare away the tourists?

  40. Phantom

    you don’t own a revolver…. but I’ll sell ya one :)

  41. Hey Troll –

    “I know at least one of top ten posts ever commented on this site was one of mine, how many were yours?”

    Yeah, 200 people calling you a wanker.

    Go screw yourself.

  42. Pete

    you got a lot of nerve…lol

    You ever been to Gaskins site? Why don’t you post a link to one of these civil conversation sites. I’ll bet you can’t.

    Obama does what he does because he is a marxist, his father was a marxist, the man who acted as his father growing up Frank Marshal Davis was a marxist. His idols in his own words in his books were the radical professors the marxists and the race antagonists.

    I have posted 100s of examples of what others would do. From Gingrich to Romney.

    Fighting… Capitalism…. Right and Wrong…. oh yeah you don’t know those things your a European

  43. at least 200 people would take the time to call me a wanker, you couldn’t even get that…lol

  44. Phantom, on March 30th, 2012 at 7:58 pm Said:
    When they speak of civility, I reach for my revolver.

    I trust that revolver, is ‘Pearl handled’? .. and don’t forget the whiskey :-)

    Anyone know, what has happened to Agited8 ? I liked him, he was English ;-)

  45. actually you know what the post was? it was a picture of Sarah Palin titled Madam President. It didn’t even have any thing else in the body of the post.

    Yet it set off a debate that broke every record….

  46. I think like so many others he got tired of the bull and left.

    I still miss Mad

  47. The Troll, on March 30th, 2012 at 8:13 pm Said:
    I think like so many others he got tired of the bull and left.

    I still miss Mad

    I know how he feels ! I left the UK, for exactly the same reason, and returned to Slovakia to escape all the bullshit, and then the bastards joined the European Union?

    I give up ;-)

  48. Troll –

    “actually you know what the post was? it was a picture of Sarah Palin titled Madam President. It didn’t even have any thing else in the body of the post.”

    Well that shows what you know about politics and what your opinion’s worth.

    That it was one of the longest threads shows, on the other hand, that I’m right in saying most people aren’t interested in what’s really hapenning in the world. They don’t want to debate ideas and philosophies and motivations and consequences.

    They want tabloid posts so they can talk about celebs.

  49. Mad Men

    Watch it Sunday night

  50. Pete Moore, on March 30th, 2012 at 8:18 pm Said:
    Troll –

    “actually you know what the post was? it was a picture of Sarah Palin titled Madam President. It didn’t even have any thing else in the body of the post.”

    Well that shows what you know about politics and what your opinion’s worth.

    That it was one of the longest threads shows, on the other hand, that I’m right in saying most people aren’t interested in what’s really hapenning in the world. They don’t want to debate ideas and philosophies and motivations and consequences.

    They want tabloid posts so they can talk about celebs.

    I am not too sure about that Pete, ‘If you want to be misinformed, read a newspaper, and if you want to be informed, tnen read a book’ .. and all that, I believe that there is more truth in one day, wrote and read on Blogs, comments, and the Interweb in one single day, than the so called ‘Main stream media’ have managed to cobble together in a lifetime.

  51. Phantom good show

    Pete
    Pick a topic, I’ll debate you legitimately anytime you want. I tried the other nite with Mahons and he ran and hid.

    You have posting access put up your views on something. Terror, Israel, Palestine, Iran, Oil, America, England, Ireland… you name it.

    Pick from the list, or pick something you know about

  52. Harri

    all he has is bombast

  53. Troll

    I happen to know what was the longest post ever on ATW. It was in the days when comments threads were displayed in pages and there was a competition to see if one post could reach I think it was 8 pages, and well largely due to a deliberate act of ‘multiple postal voting’ by me with lots of silly comments, I managed to get it to the 8th page. Iam pretty sure it was a ‘Ban the Burqa ‘ post but I don’t know if it was David’s or someone elses.

  54. no I think you won that one

  55. Troll –

    Just have a look at your list: Terror, Israel, Palestine, Iran, Oil, America ..

    Talk about swallowing the neocon bullshit. That’s the world to you, just a list of what’s good and what’s bad, what’s on our side and what needs some bombing. Here pal, history started before 9/11.

  56. The Troll, on March 30th, 2012 at 8:30 pm Said:
    Harri

    all he has is bombast

    Troll, that’s fine by me .. we are all very different individuals after all.

    As I have already said, as long as the ‘State’ allows us to argue the toss, between us all, that’s a good thing, how long the ‘State’ will allow us to do so, is another thing?

    At the end of the day, we are all far more equal than we think, we are all dissenters, at the end of the day … and Kuffars too :-)

    As far as I can make out, between us, there are, in no particular order, Bankers, Chemical engineers, David Vance ( I am not too sure of Davids occupation ) Ex-Military, Philsophers, Human beings, and oh, Noel the wannabe Palenstinian, ( No offence intended ) and a few ‘Righteous’ .. so, all in all. a pretty mixed bag of people, and long may it continue.

    Err, ‘ I think, therfore I am ‘ .. and all that, ( no matter what. ‘the State’ may say or think otherwise ) :-)

    As for Barack Obama, the ‘promised one’ .. as far as I can work out, just another New World Order, drone .. pointless?

  57. Hang on hang on.

    “Iran”?

    What do you know about Iran, apart from “nothing”?

  58. Pete

    History actually started in 1942 when Seargant Troll of the 5th Philadelphia mechanised division became the first US G.I to land on UK soil and uttered the immortal words “Right you useless limey bastards, Uncle Sam’s here to sort out your goddam silly war with the Krauts….

  59. Pete Moore, on March 30th, 2012 at 8:45 pm Said:
    Hang on hang on.

    “Iran”?

    What do you know about Iran, apart from “nothing”?

    Oh, do catch up, Some of us have been banging on about ‘the hit list’ for years .. way, way before Iran, were ‘next’?

    There were 7 Countries’ left on the planet, without a ‘Rothschilds’ controlled central banking system, Iraq, Afghanistan.. well we now know there are 5 left, Libya, and then there were 4, , North Korea, Venezuala, Cuba and Sudan.

    Yep, another Intermong link

    http://wemustknow.net/2012/01/only-3-countries-left-without-rothschild-central-bank/

    Watch this space?

    In good old American fashion ..’Bomb the bastards’ :-)

    The Madrid bombings, 911, The London 7/7 bombings .. oh, please.. give it a frigging break, you New world order drones… borrrrring. the Muslims, shame on you, you are now no more or no less, just NWO patsies.

    As for the UK, and this utter bullshit, Afghanistan and whatever .. ” To keep the streets of Britain safer” .. Oh do fuck off, it’s not even funny anymore.

    That time to ‘fear your government’ is becoming ever more closer.

  60. Geoff wrote:

    If someone posts insane nonsense that isn’t even worth the effort to refute, not the least because they are not interestd in the facts, then there is zero point in engaging that person. Much better to draw attention to the absurdity of their position.

    Let’s have a look at how Geoff operates and why it adversely affects the quality of debate noting that I am not re-opening this subject matter. On a recent thread, I wrote:

    – Building 7 collapsed into its own footprint at freefall acceleration as is evident from video evidence when set as a simple physics solution. It is shown from time segments that the building accelerated at the rate caused by gravity – as when a stone is dropped. Nothing supports the falling stone and nothing supported the building because all the supports had been blown near-simultaneously. That can only happen when the supporting columns have been rigged for destruction.

    This isn’t a ‘theory’: it happened and the evidence shows it a matter of factual record. Here is the proof as explained by physics teacher, David Chandler. –

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVCDpL4Ax7I

    The link above certainly does explain the physics of the freefall collapse of Building 7 and is absolutely essential viewing. It is this piece of ‘evidence’ that someone in dispute with me should be addressing. After all, it is the evidence on which an argument stands or falls Instead, Geoff ‘responds’ with:

    – Are there any conspiracy theories that you don’t believe?

    Moon landing was a fake?
    Grassy knoll?
    Last Czarina?

    THere must be some that are too bonkers even for you to believe? Surely? –

    This isn’t good enough. In fact, it’s just garbage. If Geoff or anyone else didn’t want to debate Building 7 or any other matter raised, he should simply not comment. There are many threads on this site where I have no comment, especially the ‘Zimmerman shooting’ (dust needs to settle before we can see anything).

  61. Pete

    you sum it up I ask you nicely pick a subject, I gave you a list, and said if you don’t like it pick some topic you do.

    What was your response? You attack me.

    Pete Moore, on March 30th, 2012 at 8:41 pm Said: Edit Comment

    Troll –

    Just have a look at your list: Terror, Israel, Palestine, Iran, Oil, America ..

    Talk about swallowing the neocon bullshit. That’s the world to you, just a list of what’s good and what’s bad, what’s on our side and what needs some bombing. Here pal, history started before 9/11.

    could it be your the problem?

  62. Troll –

    I answered you in the way that you almost always speak to others. When you learn some manners and humility I will again treat you like a normal person. While I think you’re an ill-mannered idiot with nothing sensible to say, that’s how I will treat you.

  63. don’t hold your breath…lol

    and don’t use me as your excuse

  64. Pete Moore, on March 30th, 2012 at 9:23 pm Said:
    Troll –

    I answered you in the way that you almost always speak to others. When you learn some manners and humility I will again treat you like a normal person. While I think you’re an ill-mannered idiot with nothing sensible to say, that’s how I will treat you.

    You think, you have been insulted?

    According to the resident leftist, Noel, I do not have the capability to count past
    the amount of 4 ? .. Now, I find that quite amusing, as I head a rather large German Chemical funded Lab, which, and I kid you not, discovered, among, other drugs, including … ‘Viagra’ which I find hard to believe that Noel, does not
    require.. so, Next time Noel, you feel the need, think of me … I had a ( excuse the pun ) had a hand in that :-).. not bad eh, for a bloke that can’t count to 4?

    4 minutes maybe :-)

  65. To all, no matter .. we all have something to contribute to ATW, no matter what our backgrounds are, beyond us, ATW, would be just another boring ‘self-opiniated’ pointless hellhole .. I don’t actualy believe in any invisible skypixies, but Bless, all of you, for the time and effort, you put in in :-)

  66. there ya go

    Hey lets debate GOD

  67. Time to head home

    Cheers, guys

  68. The Troll, on March 30th, 2012 at 9:45 pm Said:
    there ya go

    Hey lets debate GOD

    Err, No, If Mr Jesus came ‘back from the dead’ .. how come he is now … Dead?

    I just don’t get it !

    Religion, is not the answer, but, very much a part of the problem.

  69. And no, Don’t come back at me, with the ‘second coming’ no man, not even Mr Jesus, can come twice :-) not before a cigarette, and a long rest anyway :-)

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