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TORIES STILL DELUSIONAL SHOCKER

By Pete Moore On May 4th, 2012

Tories have warned David Cameron to “return to Tory values” after the kicking they took in yesterday’s local elections, with labour picking up hundreds of council seats at the expense of the other two cheeks.

What? How can you “return” to somewhere you never been? David Cameron is a social democrat. He always has been a social democrat and he’s leading a social democrat government. For Cameron, conservatism is not so much ‘The Road Less Travelled’ as ‘The Road Not Taken’. The Party freely chose him, a man obviously not familiar with conservatism, so excuse me while I laugh now at their complaints.

This week the Rev Peter Mullen captured precisely what the Tory Party now is and why it’s losing supporters in droves. It’s just a couple of hundred words long and absolutely stinging, describing it as “more socialist than any socialist government I have seen in my lifetime,” and asking “Why should I, or any other conservative-minded person vote for it?”

Precisely.

 

26 Responses to “TORIES STILL DELUSIONAL SHOCKER”

  1. Pete,
    I believe the real problem is that the UK is no longer a homogenous society. Let’s say the UK of today was facing a situation similar to the GB of 1939.
    There is no way we could have coped, because we would be a fractured society, poorly educated, nationally demoralised, and brain softened by too many soap operas and reality tv programmes.

    There are now too many people living here who would turn round and say,
    “Hold on, this is not ourproblem. We may live here, but we don’t buy into your culture and history! WE are not at war with the Germans, and if you want to fight, you fight without us, thank you very much!”
    In that sense Tony Blair’s New Labour government have won. They have turned our country into an international commercial/industrial estate, anchored off mainland Europe.

  2. Agit8ed,

    Another way of looking at it is this. People are more savvy today. We know more about the world than our parents did in 1939, due to a great extent to the WWW and blogs like ATW.

    Back then, the leader in The Times was on a par with the Gettysburg Address. The BBC was, in all its plumminess, the voice of the nation. People actually trusted their politicians and other leaders.

    We know better now. Sure, increased awareness has its downside, but give me an informed wolf cub rather than a docile sheep.

  3. Richard,
    what you say is IMO also true.
    But I would argue (‘cos I like arguing) that we cannot help but absorb and reflect the values of those we identify with.
    For example as a kid, I loved Just William!” and Jennings and Darbyshire, and was very influenced by John Halifax, Gentleman., by Mrs Craik.
    All white, English/British authors. My community was white English.
    People’s identity is tied up with where they live and who is important to them.
    So although we do have far greater access to information, and we are aware of the failings of our heroes, we still need an identity of which we can be both proud of and inspired by.
    One of the evolutionary ideas I do accept is that man is a tribal being. We need leaders, we need hierarchy, we need symbolism in order to function coherently.
    So yes, I too would rather be an informed wolf cub, but I would prefer to belong to an informed cohesive herd of Buffalo!
    I believe the bottom line is that most humans prefer misinformed belonging, over enlightened isolation.

  4. Agit8ed,

    I like the “cohesive herd of Buffalo”.

    Re Just William and all that, I’m guessing you’re a fan of Midsomer Murders, as am I. Plenty of homogeneity there. Oddly enough, I was watching a re-run a couple of nights ago, and it featured an … an … I can hardly write this … an oriental gentleman.

    The horror, the horror.

  5. Both of you correctly summarise the current condition of the UK.

    Why even the rats who have long been with us are looking to flee the sinking ship, seeming to prefer the guiding hand of Brussels to that of Westminster.

    Who can blame them? – we have long been known as ‘the refugee camp in the North Sea.’ – and it is getting worse, by the day.

    Unforunately, there is no known cure for Blair’s Disease, once infected with it, a nation has little chance of recovery without the most drastic of treatments. Even George Galloway muttered a truth this a.m. when he described our system of governane, – ‘as broken beyond repair’.

    As I have mentioned before, – older generations of Britons feel a deep sense of betrayal, of both our culture and history, – unfortunately all due to the likes of Blair and Cameron, and many others!…

  6. Ernest,

    If you ask me, there’s a good chance that Labour will be returned in the next General Election. Aarrgghh.

    I can book a couple of places for us at Digitas if you wish 🙂

  7. No thank you, I’ll take a pass on that one! Even recently, after surgery when I did have spell of ‘black dog’, I never considered that option.

    One of my favourite ‘up-lift’ poems is by Robert Frost, titled: ‘Stopping By Woods On A Snowy Evening’, – particularly the last three lines, :-
    —-
    But I have promises to keep,
    And miles to go before I sleep,
    And miles to go before I sleep.
    —-
    At least it has worked for me when things got dark.
    —-
    However, back to the comment, – There never was a more appropriate line than ‘Turkeys voting for Christmas’, and it might well explain Labour’s surge, but until we have a ‘NOTA’ space on the voting slip, we will always end up with the ‘best of a bad bunch’ to choose from.

  8. It’s true that Britain has no longer any left-right divide, only various shades of liberalism.
    The situation isn’t much different in other European countries, where you have to go to the fringes to get any real “conservative” or left-wing positions.
    Even in France – where for so long there was the weirdly old-fashioned situation of a generally left-wing working class and a conservative middle-class – the parties now differ on little apart from immigartion and attitudes to the Germans. And once in power, Hollande will soon revert to Sarkozy politics via-a-vis the EU. If he wants all the growth for France he claims, he’s going to have to get it without an ECB lending to governments or Eurobonds etc.

  9. BTW, Ernest, those famous lines were recited by JFK when leaving his ancestral homeland in Wexford shortly before he was killed. In his case, there weren’t so many miles to go after all (sorry).

  10. Noel,

    So what? – at least he travelled in hope and with a purpose, – as do I.

    Don’t most of us live ‘in hope for a better future’, for kith and kin? and how much better and easier to achieve when done with a worthwhile pupose in mind. And it is the lucky ones who get to keep the promises they make on the way…

  11. “I’m guessing you’re a fan of Midsomer Murders, as I am..”

    Not, I’m afraid.
    How can so many awful things go on in the same little village and surrounds??
    (I wasn’t so cynical whilst reading Just William stories)
    I preferred Nettles as “Bergerac”,
    Liked Morse even more,
    Frost a little less.
    One of my weaknesses is that if I liked the original, nothing else can or will match it!
    Sad, but true.
    “A Night to Remember” (I alluded to it here.. “They’re only words…
    By Mike Cunningham On May 1st, 2012; Allan of Aberdeen! stars in “A Fright to Remember!” )
    A Night to Remember is the best version, even though I have only seen glimpses of the blockbuster version with Leonardo and Kate. I read a review which said the Brits were portrayed as stuffy arrogant fools, and the plucky Irish were humane, level headed and tuneful to the last!
    I turned off, and have never watched it.
    Give me Kenneth More any day!

  12. Ernest,
    you’ve mentioned depression before.
    Some very famous and influential people have suffered from the “Black Dog.”
    And you do come out of it, and are able to join me in bashing the young’uns on ATW
    I am sure you will always find useful things to do. We could offer to adopt mairin2….;)

  13. Wise words, Ernest. Sisyphus was always one of my heroes (frankly, I’ve little choice) and, as the fellah said, we must imagine Sisyphus as a happy man.

  14. It used to be that elections in the UK differed little from taking sheep to a dip (red/blue) but now, with the huge influx of those who will out-breed and miscegenate the indigenous population into a minority and then oblivion, elections are about taking the sheep to the slaughterhouse.

  15. Noel,

    Yep, – a sense of purpose and achievement – and it doesn’t have to be anything grand, some of the simplest tasks can give great satisfaction, although ‘rock-rolling’ was never one of my favourites… 🙂

  16. Agit8ed –

    “I believe the real problem is that the UK is no longer a homogenous society … In that sense Tony Blair’s New Labour government have won.”

    Our real government in Brussels aside, we have one government. No matter who we vote for, nothing ever changes. Tory governments are just as much to blame for the immigration catastrophe as are Labour governments. Mass immigration has been the official policy of every government since the 1950s. Many Tory governmnts could have closed the door and stopped it, but they always chose not to do so.

    This is because the Conservative Party has not been conservative for a long time. It accepted – and still does – Clement Atlee’s mega-government post-war settlement and has been in thrall to cultural Marxism just as much as any Left-Wing pressure group.

    In matters EU, it can outstrip even the other parties in its treachery and deceipt. It was a Tory government which lied and deceived the EU into our lives. It was a Tory government which catastrophically imposed the Single European Act on us, which bludgeoened the Maastricht Treaty through Parliament and which, most recently, reneged on a referendum promise.

    Allow me to be clear: since WW2, no faction or party has been so injurious to our liberties and freedoms as the Conservative Party.

  17. So what are you saying then, Pete?

  18. Allan,

    “the huge influx of those who will out-breed and miscegenate the indigenous population into a minority and then oblivion”

    Yep, that French chappie, William the Conqueror, has a lot to answer for 😉

  19. In matters EU, it can outstrip even the other parties in its treachery and deceipt. It was a Tory government which lied and deceived the EU into our lives. It was a Tory government which catastrophically imposed the Single European Act on us, which bludgeoened the Maastricht Treaty through Parliament and which, most recently, reneged on a referendum promise.

    Well said Pete. There will have to be a referendum on EU membership at some point in the next few years. Even Mandelson says he wants that. But the most recent polling evidence is that 66% are against leaving.

  20. Agit8ed –

    I’m saying that a vote for one of the major parties is a vote for what is, essentially, one ruling party.

    I’m saying that anyone who votes Tory out of some patriotic feeling is delusional and a collaborator with treasonous forces.

    I’m saying that the Tory Party deserves to die, the sooner it does so the better, and that I’ll dance on its grave.

  21. Pete,
    I was winding you up!
    I know what you’re saying, and it’s true up to a point, but I think there are other factors you are leaving out.
    I ain’t going to go into it again, as I tapped out a long reply to your last comment – then managed to lose it! My rather silly comment was a consolation prize..

  22. Richard – white Europeans are fully miscible.

    Peter – “There will have to be a referendum on EU membership at some point in the next few years. Even Mandelson says he wants that. But the most recent polling evidence is that 66% are against leaving.” Credible link please.

  23. “The pro-Europe former Labour cabinet minister Lord Mandelson will call for Britain to commit to a future referendum as the best way of re-establishing a national consensus about future relations with Europe. On the eve of elections in France and Greece, he will also warn that the EU inevitably needs a “eurozone mark two” project which “will rest to some degree on fiscal federalism amongst its members……
    Mandelson will also refer to new Policy Network polling conducted by Populus, showing that 67% still support staying in the EU, although 80% are against joining a single currency, and 56% favour a referendum now, and 44% regard it as a distraction at this stage.”

    Link here

  24. Peter –

    It’s not credible that 67 per cent of Britons support remaining suzerein to the EU. When the link cited the Policy Network, all was clear. That’s a Left Wing, strongly pro-EU outfit. That was a poll designed to meet pre-determined outcomes, like all of them.

  25. Pete – I agree. I have seen polls which show most Britons favouring withdrawal from the EU which were cited on the front pages of newspapers. OK, newspapers are no more credible than Peter’s link but they were there.

  26. Allan,

    “white Europeans are fully miscible”

    Huh? Did you mean missable? Bit harsh. Are you black by any chance?