Ponder
By The Troll On June 3rd, 2012A little Sunday reflection remember, we are only a single spec of dust in creation
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Great link Troll. Amazing pictures from the Hubble Telescope.
Fantastic clip Troll!
Here’s a little thing I had sent to me recently. Something for you evolutionists to froth over….
“What they have explained to me over the years is that evolutionary cosmology has a huge problem at their very beginnings. We know that the laws of physics dictate that energy and matter cannot be created or destroyed. It can be utilized and altered, but all of the matter and energy in the universe today is the same as when the universe was formed. The question they really can’t answer is how did it come to be in the first place?
They believe that before the Big Bang, that all of the energy and matter in the entire universe was contained in a tiny compressed ball no larger than the head of a pin and somehow (they can’t explain the trigger) it exploded (Big Bang) and billions of years later here we are.”
The full article can be read here..
http://creationrevolution.com/2012/05/how-can-%E2%80%9Cscience%E2%80%9D-explain-things-%E2%80%9Cscience%E2%80%9D-has-said-cannot-happen/
I shall be taking Richard Dawkins with me on holiday, as well as Vince Flynn and Lee Child..
Just think, two whole weeks without the religious nut to annoy you all!
Enjoy!
Here’s the sane view
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWVshkVF0SY
I love Python but I’m of the Dead Parrot school myself
A8 You really want to have fun start delving into M Theory, been studying it for fun for the past two years, I love Kaku
The question they really can’t answer is how did it come to be in the first place?
And the question that you sky-god believers can’t answer is who created your sky-god?
the answer apparently is nothing cos he was always here…
Yeah, that makes sense
““What they have explained to me over the years is that evolutionary cosmology has a huge problem at their very beginnings. We know that the laws of physics dictate that energy and matter cannot be created or destroyed. It can be utilized and altered, but all of the matter and energy in the universe today is the same as when the universe was formed. The question they really can’t answer is how did it come to be in the first place?”
Professionals in all areas of science will freely and humbly admit that there are many unknowns. The unknown is kinda the whole point of science.
The same cannot be said for the religious types who, incidentally, cannot answer that question either. And no, “goddunnit” does not cut it. If the scientific community are expected to explain everything, down to the last subatomic detail, then those who scorn it should expect the same standards to be turned toward themselves.
At least one group tries to find answers!
yeah but you can’t prove that God didn’t do it, so there is their position and NAH, – NAH, NAH NAH ANNAAAAH!
Personally, I worship an invisible teapot which I keep in a secret place and I send prayers to it every thursday when I get home after football and speak in a secret language.
Only clever people understand.
(and my dog)
an honest question:
Why do those that don’t believe in a God feel it necessary to attack and make fun of those that do?
I ask that sincerely, not once have I ever attacked anyone for their disbelief. The worst I have ever said is I’ll pray for you.
why the bile?
something different to ponder:
“We impose meaning on the chaos of our lives. We create form, morality, order. It’s a choice we have to make every second of every minute of every day.”
“Why do those that don’t believe in a God feel it necessary to attack and make fun of those that do?”
Do all of them? No, but some do.
Do all those that do believe in a God feel it necessary to attack and make fun of those that don’t?
No, but some do.
Also I reckon honest incredulity is mistaken for bile by some who are a little sensitive on the subject.
Personally, as a general rule, I think the beliefs (not the believers) deserve all scorn heaped on it, and more.
“As I looked out into the night sky, across all those infinite stars it made me realize how insignificant they are.” – Peter Cook
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo
The link was for Agit8ed by the way – a video summary of many of the ideas in the excellent (and very funny) book A Universe from Nothing by Lawrence Krauss.
It is a physicist dealing with the questions Agit8ed thinks stump physicists.
Franky,
I now have two books to get with my birthday Amazon vouchers -and both commended by you:
This is worrying…
I take it you read the whole article, and the question that was originally posed by some guy writing in? Personally I don’t know if it stumps physicists; some of the technical language used stumps me….
Agit8ed
I haven’t read the whole article, I’ll have a look.
Troll,
“an honest question:
Why do those that don’t believe in a God feel it necessary to attack and make fun of those that do?”
A very astute observation.
) if you agree with them on other unrelated topics, you become an” intelligent and sensible sort of fella!”
Yet interestingly (I put that in for Richard Clinton’s benefit
The other interesting thing is that when you have a go at their beliefs, they get quite upset…
Troll,
“A8 You really want to have fun start delving into M Theory, been studying it for fun for the past two years, I love Kaku”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-theory
http://mkaku.org/home/?page_id=5
No thanks, Troll.
I think I’d rather eat grits..
If somebody sat down and explained it to me in simple terms, I might get it, but I don’t think I could get it from a book.
I look at it this way.
God has always existed.
Within the Godhead of Father Son and Holy Spirit there was no need of anything else.
Man was not created because God was lonely, or needed to be worshipped.
Creation by the Godhead explains personality and communication and our quest for meaning.
Which I find more logical and appealing than the supposed “Wow!” factor of being made from star stuff, in an ultimately meaningless and indifferent universe.
So
Enter Bastard,
“The same cannot be said for the religious types who, incidentally, cannot answer that question either. And no, “goddunnit” does not cut it. If the scientific community are expected to explain everything, down to the last subatomic detail, then those who scorn it should expect the same standards to be turned toward themselves.”
The people who posed the question and the people who are trying to answer it, are all physicists scientists and ‘ologists. If you look at it again you will see that two groups of people are involved. One group believes in a Creator God, the other obviously doesn’t. But they are all educated and trained specialists in their various fields.
Christians can never deny the findings of true science, and as yet evolution remains a theory, not yet a proven fact.
Let’s say for example, in the days when men believed in an earth concentric universe, or even a flat earth, it was tantamount to committing suicide to state otherwise.
Christian scientists and physicists do not argue with the findings of science, they argue with the conclusions drawn..
“…as yet evolution remains a theory, not yet a proven fact.”
*plants face in palm*
It is a fact. Only the insane, misinformed, or wilfully ignorant deny it. You do not know what the word theory means in a scientific context.
Read here.
or try: http://www.fsteiger.com/theory.html
or: http://www.notjustatheory.com/references.html
You’re correct about christian scientists not arguing with the findings of science. You will not find a credible scientist, christian or otherwise say “it’s just a theory” regarding evolution.
Bear in mind I’m not talking about cosmology, the origin of life, or anything else. Just evolution.
I’maBastard,
“It is a fact. Only the insane, misinformed, or wilfully ignorant deny it. You do not know what the word theory means in a scientific context.”
Now I have never pretended to be anything other than an ordinary joe, but I have enough intelligence to know that it’s not just Christians or other faiths that disagree with the evolutionary model..
http://www.stateofnature.org/scientistOrPropagandist.html
http://www.truthinscience.org.uk/tis2/index.php/faqs-mainmenu-54.html
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_is_the_theory_of_evolution_so_controversial
http://www.takeonit.com/question/169.aspx
http://atheism.about.com/od/evolutionexplained/a/fact_theory.htm
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Are_there_any_more_atheists_and_agnostics_who_are_critics_of_evolution_besides_David_Berlinski_and_Bradley_Monton
Human nature dictates that even intelligent, educated people find it difficult to stand against a popular point of view.
Do you honestly believe for example, that all the scientists, physicists and philosophers who found themselves trapped in the Nazi or Communist or PolPot regimes actually believed the state propaganda?
Of course not!
Sorry about the ending, I got called away.
I was going on to say that it was the same thing during the McCarthy era. What was driving that? It might have started off as a genuine inquiry/investigation, but it became a witchhunt; brooking no dissension and no debate.
This is how human society functions. An idea or philosophy takes hold, gathers support and becomes unstoppable.
Some on the sidelines may hold or express misgivings; they get shouted down. After a while it becomes obvious that there are in fact flaws in the popular belief, and slowly but surely (at least in a free society! it becomes acceptable to question it.
So my argument is that whilst I may not understand all the intricasies of the arguments. it is obvious enough that there are dissenting voices. So I retain my belief in a Creator God not out of stubborness or ignorance, but because for me it still makes best sense of all the empirical evidence that I understand, and gives a basis for personality and meaning.