And the Field continues to change
By The Troll On June 3rd, 2012Putin to meet Iran’s Ahmadinejad in China: Kremlin
AFP – 6 hours ago
Russian President Vladimir Putin will meet his Iranian counterpart Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on the sidelines of a summit in Beijing next week as tensions rise over Tehran’s nuclear drive, a Kremlin official said.
“Meeting Ahmadinejad will let Putin personally feel the tension around the Iranian issue and how it is perceived in Tehran,” Kremlin foreign policy aide Yury Ushakov told reporters last week in comments that were embargoed for release until Sunday. Yeah Czar Vladamir will pat the mad Persian on the back. The Czar is playing out a true master hand in grande KGB style. In a true win win situation.
Putin and Ahmadinejad agreed to meet over the phone and the initiative came “from both sides,” Ushakov said.
The meeting will come as Russia prepares to host the latest round of talks on June 18 and 19 between world powers and Iranian negotiators in a bid to find a diplomatic solution to the standoff over Iran’s nuclear programme.
The Moscow talks will follow a meeting last month in Baghdad where the six world powers — the United States, Britain, France, China, Russia and Germany — confronted Tehran over its intention to enrich uranium despite fears it was building a nuclear bomb. The last “meeting” accomplished only one thing, where the next meeting would be. Such great progress….
The talks achieved little in two days of intense discussions besides setting up the next meeting in Moscow.
Like Western capitals, Russia “was not too happy” with the outcome of the Baghdad talks, but “understood the main thing, which is readiness of both sides to continue talks,” Ushakov said. Bull the Russians were tickled to death over the lack of substance of the meetings, they orchestrated it.
“Only in dialogue is it possible to get a sense of any sort of compromise, which is crucial to unblock this situation… and leave out the most scary scenarios.” Except the mad Persians refuse any compromise, and continue to develop their weapons as they try to bide time.
Russia has repeatedly warned against using military action against Iran — an option never ruled out by Israel or the United States — and said that this could cause a catastrophe in the Middle East. Except it is what they are hoping for as the Czar reconstitutes the strength of the Old Soviet Power into a more modern Russia that he and he alone controls. War in the Middle East plays into his hand, the European West is crushed by the cost conflict will bring on Europes energy supply, causing a faster cascading colapse of an already failing economy. While at the same time a shooting war will cost the US valuable defense equipment whose supply chain and replenishment has been cut off by the current fool in the White House.
Putin will meet Ahmadinejad on the sidelines of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation summit. He is also scheduled to speak with Afghanistan’s President Hamid Karzai in a bilateral meeting. The Czar is laying out his hand to the other players in the game.
The meeting with Ahmadinejad will be Putin’s first since his return to the Kremlin for a third term after a four-year stint as prime minister. Which won’t end this time until they carry him out.
During his second term as president, Putin met Ahmadinejad in Tehran in 2007 in a rare visit to the country by the Kremlin chief. Which is when he increased the delivery arrangements of both Arms to Iran and Syria, including nuclear arms technological equipment.
The Russian delegation to the China summit is a show of force with “all the major names of Russian business in attendance,” said Ushakov.
Putin is also due to meet China’s President Hu Jintao and Premier Wen Jiabao.
With China preparing for a stage-managed leadership change, Putin will also meet Vice Premier Li Kequiang, who is set to be the next premier, and Xi Jinping, who is tipped as the next president.
The Czar has taken command, he has spent over 4 years putting the pieces in place. He has modernized Russia’s Missile Batteries, he has consolidated the Russian Energy Industry, under his control, he has stoked the tensions in the Middle East while ignoring and taking advantage of the Naivete running rampant in the offices of Power in the US.
Ladies and Gentleman the Bear steps back into the ring.
Whereas…in the US, the entire Presidential election and pre-election primaries are stage-managed. Obama vs Romney – that’s a joke.
could be worse Allan, you could have the IRA sitting trying to pretend they know about economics… you really couldn’t make it up.
From what I’ve read, and i invite correction on this, Sinn Fein was the only party in the RoI which wants Ireland out of the Euro (and the EU too?). If that’s the case, then the IRA really does know more about economics than the rest of them – but that’s OT.
Clearly the choice facing the US electorate is no choice at all. At least the Chinese are honest enough to state openly that they’re not a democracy, whatever that means nowadays.
Hey Troll
Maybe the USA should attack Iran and Russia at the same time? With nukes of course. That should keep the neo-cons happy, though they would probably like a wider offensive. One that includes Syria, Pakistan and North Korea. Heck, even China? Now that would be something to cheer on Fox.
You are correct, although as usual the plan b was never really explored, to the chagrin of anyone with a brain cell watching/expecting (perhaps admittedly naively) a cross examination from a commentator.
The dollar will strengthen against the doomed euro…if you have euros, my advice is SELL, SELL, SELL!
On Euros, take out the note and check the numbering of the note. The number on the note is preceded by a letter which designates the issuing national bank. There is a big difference between X and Y.
What if it says Z?
Are we all doomed, captain?
Troll gets annoyed when I call the US a warmonger yet, on every thread, Troll himself advocates war, war and more war. Check it out – it’s all there.
Just yesterday, I came across an article which showed that the UK had suppressed evidence which exonerated ‘Lockerbie bomber’ al-Megrahi but put the blame on a Palestinian terror group which has known links to Iran. Given that the US had shot down an Iranian airliner killing 300 people who really don’t matter at all to Troll (he really did advocate attacking Iranian schools), it is evident to anybody who looks at the evidence as Dr Jim Swire did that Iran commissioned the Lockerbie bombing – yet no accusation from the US on what is effectively a slam-dunk. Why not, Troll?
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-1693427/How-to-find-out-where-a-euro-note-is-from.html
German notes begin with an X, Greek notes start with a Y, Spain’s have a V, France a U, Ireland T, Portugal M and Italy S.
Belgium is Z, Cyprus G, Luxembourg 1, Malta F, Netherlands P, Austria N, Slovenia H, Slovakia E and Finland L.
I hope the Herald publish the evidence and the government can answer a few awkward questions…
If it is so obvious that Iran were indeed responsible I would be puzzled as to why the US would not seize the opportunity and use it to their propaganda needs.
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Any government would utilse it, wouldn’t they?
so now we framed the lockerbie bomber? What Tinfoil hat site did you read that.
Where in this post am I calling for any kind of military action or even mentioning the United States yet you see the US evil empire in everything, Wasn’t wonderful how we used harp to make it rain on your festivities today?
Facts are facts Russia is the most powerful force on the continent and the entire hemisphere, Putin has modernized the Russian military while you masturbate at the command and wishes of a Politburo sitting in Belgium and run by the germans and french.
If Pointing out the events that are happening right in front of you makes me a warmonger well than I’ll gladly be one as your trampled over like a pack of surrender monkeys.
The members of the UK had balls and brains at one time, now they elect terrorists to office, bow to an unelected French/German dictatorship while celebrating a nice old woman whose family advocated it’s power to a pack jelly fish socialist whiners
Dick Cheney fired a missile at the Pan Am plane from his flying saucer. Just ask Allan.
Britain has no real army to speak of so should be excempt from commenting on other nations.
Phantom – you’re way off, as usual. Here is the report which highlights the efforts by the UK government, almost certainly on behalf of the US government, to ensure that evidence which would exonerate al-Megrahi never reached his defence team.
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/crime-courts/how-uk-government-hid-secret-lockerbie-report.17751710
A Lockerbie report has been hidden, blocked and kept secret by the UK Government for more than 20 years, but The Herald can reveal for the first time the contents of the top-secret Lockerbie document that the UK tried to prevent us from publishing.
The highly classified document, which has never even been aired in public or shared with the courts, originally came from Jordan and indicates that a Palestinian terrorist group was involved in the bombing that killed 270 people – something the UK Government has vehemently denied.
The UK Government has gone to considerable lengths to prevent details of the document – which casts further doubt on the safety of the conviction of Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed al Megrahi – being published by The Herald.
It has threatened legal action to stop publication of the newspaper and asked the paper to sign up to a court-approved gagging order.
Our decision to publish details of the document, which was obtained by the Crown Office but never shown to the defence team, will prove highly embarrassing to the Crown, the Foreign and Commonwealth Office and the Office of the Advocate General, whose lawyers have worked tirelessly to prevent it ever being even discussed in public. -
That is well on its way to becoming true.No real army, no real navy.
And anyone who takes pleasure in this state of affairs – the British and European slow motion disarmament – is either evil or a fool.
Soon, Britain will have a ” pretend ” army like Ireland does.
Why bother.
Allan
So how do you draw the conclusion that the US is behind the British action… Other than the fact that you hate the US, in your tinfoil protected head the US is the Great Satan … you blame the US, and the Jews for everything
In other words Your an Arab
I was looking for Allan at the ” Salute to Israel ” parade yesterday
Troll -
First, read the link. See what it says. The Herald Scotland newspaper makes specific and detailed allegations of suppression of evidence and a cover-up, in relation to the Lockerbie investigation, by the British government.
Now al-Megrahi was incarcerated in Scotland because that’s where the terrorist attack happened, but the investigation was very much a joint British/American effort. Thre’s no way that London could do what is alleged by hoodwinking Washington, no way at all.
Interesting letter to The Daily Telegraph:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/expat/expatfeedback/9298320/Lockerbie-questions-a-Greek-tragedy-and-the-Olympic-torch.html
SIR – Huge doubts remain about Megrahi’s conviction. In 2007, the Scottish Criminal Cases Review Commission found prima facie evidence of a miscarriage of justice. English and Scottish prosecution services have a bad record of keeping essential evidence from the defence; this was an especially reprehensible example.
Cross-examination of the prosecution witnesses was so devastating that Megrahi’s subsequent conviction is beyond comprehension. Much of the forensic scientific evidence and the theory that a suitcase bomb entered the system in Malta and rattled around Europe before exploding over Lockerbie are absurd.
Most of the Scottish judiciary believes the fingerprints of Iran and Syria are all over this episode and that the guilty verdict against Megrahi is manifestly unsafe.
Dr John Cameron, St Andrews, Fife -
Now, when one opens the link, one sees a picture of the wreckage of the aircraft which is not surprising because, after all, an aircraft had crashed. Now Troll and Phantom, you do agree that when an aircraft crashes by whatever cause, there will be visible wreckage Yes/No?
Absolutely not.
A plane destroyed midair by a bomb won’t have the same debris ( or lack of same ) as a plane that crashes headfirst into the ground when loaded with fuel.
The first plane will hit the ground as many small or large pieces, with the fuel dispersed to some extent, the second will hit as a single unit – including the jet fuel all at the point of impact, consuming everything there.
I would think that the same principle often applies if a missile or torpedo is fired.
If it hits the target, you’re not likely to see any debris. It is consumed by the force of the impact, by the explosives carried in the missile, by the resulting and continuing fire.
Etc.
It is no mystery.
Phantom – do you recall the South Korean ship that was supposedly sunk by a North Korean torpedo, and the torpedo’s prop-shaft was produced as evidence at the inquiry which inculpated the NKs!? Now that really was a mystery – how a torpedo can hit its target and yet the central prop-shaft survives intact, though with a hint of rust.
Back to Lockerbie and the involvement of Iran. Why is the US not accusing Iran of involvement in Lockerbie in the light of long-term evidence that it sought and got revenge over the USS Vincennes atrocity? Note that its officers were decorated for that action:
http://lockerbiecase.blogspot.co.uk/
- Ah yes, “the civilized community of nations”, that place we so often hear about but – so seldom get to actually see. American officials, British officials, and Scottish officials know that Megrahi is innocent. They know that Iran financed the PFLP-GC, a Palestinian group, to carry out the bombing with the cooperation of Syria, in retaliation for the American naval ship, the Vincennes, shooting down an Iranian passenger plane in July of the same year, which took the lives of more people than did the 103 bombing. And it should be pointed out that the Vincennes captain, plus the officer in command of air warfare, and the crew were all awarded medals or ribbons afterward.[2]No one in the US government or media found this objectionable or outrageous, or disgusting or repulsive. The United States has always insisted that the shooting down of the Iranian plane was an “accident”. Why then give awards to those responsible?
[2] Newsweek magazine, July 13, 1992 -
The man who wrote the above is:
Robert Black QC FRSE became Professor of Scots Law in the University of Edinburgh in January 1981, having previously been in practice at the Scottish Bar. He is now Professor Emeritus. He has been an Advocate since 1972 and a QC since 1987. From 1981 to 1994 he served as a temporary sheriff (judge). He has taken a close interest in the Lockerbie affair since 1993, not least because he was born and brought up in the town, and has published a substantial number of articles on the topic in the United Kingdom and overseas. He is often referred to as the architect of the Lockerbie trial at Camp Zeist in the Netherlands.
first off I’ve seen an F-16 nose dive at top speed into the tarmac of an airfield, over 70% of the debris was vaporized, what was left of the pilot were a couple of teeth and a few bone fragments not enough to fill a coffee cup.
the facts are spelled out by both of you in your daily comments, you hate and blame the United States for every problem in the world. And you actually believe you know the things that would make our system function better, fight better, and who is best to lead us. Neither of you even contribute to making your own nation work, and are to impotent to even use your all knowing talents to remedy the disaster your own nations are in.
You both are a sad sad joke.
Who are ” both of you “?
There are two Allans?
Alan and Pete
Allan
How much time do you spend reading this
horse manurethese fine theories?Troll – both? I take it that I’m one but who is the other?
Your refusal once again to engage in actual debate lets you down. The way it should be done is to make the point/s and back it/them with supporting evidence as I always do.
So back to the roots of the Lockerbie atrocity and the preceding atrocity committed by the decorated veterans of the USS Vincennes. My opinion is that al-Megrahi was the fall-guy to cover up Iranian commissioning of that ‘project’ in order to get their acquiescence on the 1990 Iraq invasion, and it worked. The supporting evidence which I linked remains unchallenged though, as always, plenty of ad hominems are thrown my way. And, as always, I’m right and you’re wrong because that’s the way it is.
Alan there is nothing to debate, your a loon and Pete is close behind.
Where you live have have you run for office, do you work or volunteer your vast knowledge to your government. What are you doing to actively straighten YOUR government local or national?
How about you Pete?
Why would I use my vast knowledge to support the British government? It is utterly corrupted, treasonous and beyond reform to such an extent that it must be over-thrown. Nonetheless, my vast knowledge is applying itself to a vast project, so vast that even you’ll hear of it in your vast state of self-imposed ignorance.
Troll -
That you only frame that question in terms of what I can do within and for government shows what a Statist mind you have,
I am a libertarian. I am against government. It is a parasite on civil society. I serve the public by doing capitalist work.
Troll -
Two other things.
I’ve told you before that State and society are seperate, distinct things. No-one here “hates the US”. It’s a vast country. No-one can hate it. What people like me hate is your government. You hate it when it pokes its nose into your affairs. Well so do others abroad.
I’ve told you before that you will address me politely. Your 11.00pm is the rude, uppity comment of an oik. This is your final warning.
There are people who hate the US – the state and the nation.
It is not impossible to have such views, any more than it is impossible to hate the government and people of Israel. Etc.
I watched this interview with VP-candidate, Marco Rubio, calling for war against Iran and his meat-headed stupidity reminded me of certain people. He said –
“if you recall what the Iranians were willing to put up with in terms of loss of human life in their war against Iraq, it had to get so atrocious that it threatened the regime’s future before they backed off that conflict. These are the kinds of people we’re dealing with here.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmTN5o1Em0o&feature=player_embedded#!
Firstly, Iraq invaded Iran and secondly, the US supplied weapons to both sides for that war, Iran receiving its weapons via 3rd parties such as Israel. Given the close contacts between the US government and Saddam (see him with Rumsfeld), it is probable that Saddam was encouraged to attack Iran.
http://books.sipri.org/files/FS/SIPRIFS8403.pdf
See pages 6 and 7. The Israeli link coorroborates the claims of former Mossad agent, Victor Ostrovsky.
It’s a vast country. No-one can hate it. What people like me hate is your government.
Yes, accusing people of hating this or that country is almost always an attempt to discredit or silence. People have called me anti-Europe for voting against various EU treaties. Imagine being anti an entire continent! I wonder is anybody anti-Antarctica.
One can certainly dislike a state – a set of institutions – but an entire country? Hardly.
seems a bit general to ‘hate’ a whole country.
Ok, the UK administration from before of Blair et al I dislike, but ‘Hate’ is a strong word.
Can any country really be blamed for the disliked government, or is it the voters fault for putting them into office?