IS IT JUST ME?
By Pete Moore On June 22nd, 2012Why are we getting flood warnings all the time? There’s yet another one today, for the North West, and “parts of south-east England, East Anglia, the north and east Midlands and north and west Wales are also on alert for localised surface water flooding today and into the weekend”. What for? I live in south-east England and it hasn’t rained all day.
I blame the 2007 summer floods. I remember them because I watched the news reports, along with criticism of “the authorities”, in a Spanish villa. It seems that ever since then a bit of rain prompts yet another flood warning. A few weeks ago we must have made history as the first country to have both a hosepipe ban and flood warnings at the same time. The drought which caused the hosepipe ban meant rain would wash straight off the land and cause flooding. Then the land was saturated and rain would cause flooding. We used to have rain but now we go straight to apocalyptic flood warnings.
There’s a paranoia among the institutions that there might be some hazard, however remote, that we haven’t been warned about. Where we used to get a weather forecast, if we’re lucky we’ll get a “sun warning” instead. Before long the seasons will turn and it won’t be snow but a “snow blizzard warning”.
Why has the Met Office taken to issuing flood warnings all the time
No, it’s not just you, some of us have also noticed, that the ‘Met Office’ those Global Warbling fanatics, could not even tell us what the weather was like yesterday, let alone tomorrow?
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It’s been hammering down here all day, and the River Ribble is well up and still rising, but if you haven’t seen any rain all day in the South East, I guess that’s alright then.
From North west England.
Best watch that Tondew, sounds like it might flood.
“Why are we getting flood warnings all the time?”
You may as well ask why are we getting weather forecasts all the time. A people that is unendingly curious about whether to bring a brolly or stock up for a BBQ is probably going to be interested to know if they should bring the furniture upstairs, or if they will need a dinghy to get down the high street.
“now we go straight to apocalyptic flood warnings”
They’re not apocalyptic they are flood warnings. Probably on account of the risk of flood and the actual floods over the last weeks.
“parts of south-east England, East Anglia, the north and east Midlands and north and west Wales are also on alert for localised surface water flooding today and into the weekend”. What for? I live in south-east England and it hasn’t rained all day.”
Which part of ‘parts’ of south-east England and ‘localised’ are you having trouble with (and what was it you were saying the other day about literacy and numeracy in the UK)? It’s a probabilistic statement about small parts of a big place, and what is more it did rain in south-east England today!
And even if it hadn’t you’d still be as wrong as a toddler who says ‘but I didn’t get run over’ in answer to a warning of ‘if you run across the road, you might get run over’.
Frank O’Dwyer -
“A people that is unendingly curious about whether to bring a brolly or stock up for a BBQ is probably going to be interested to know if they should bring the furniture upstairs, or if they will need a dinghy to get down the high street.”
Well not really. We don’t think that way. We just want to know what the weather will be. Maybe if the Environment Agency is so mismanaging the waterways and drainage channels that flooding is more of a danger than hitherto, then we might have to begin taking notice of these new-fangled flood warnings.
“Which part of ‘parts’ of south-east England and ‘localised’ are you having trouble with …”
In weather terms you can’t get much more local than “south-east England”. We don’t get downpours so local yet so heavy that the village is under water while I’m not rained on. If they’re under water then it’ll chuck it down on me too.
I guess if it’s not raining for a mile in every direction from Pete Moore, it’s not raining anywhere.
Pete
What are you on about. Of course you can have a dry day while the village a few miles away has barely a drop. Even here in Londn we can have localised rain. Only last week I watched a steady downpour from my window last half an hour and then visited my brother – who lives at the Elephant, just about half a mile from me, and they had had barely a drizzle and the ground was dry.
I can’t believe I’m explaining rain to Britons.
Colm -
Yes, I can have a dry day while the village up the road has rain, but that’s not the discussion. The kind of rain which floods the village up the road will a sustained, heavy downpour. That’s the rain which gives rise to the occasional floods we’re always warned against now, and if it leads to floods a couple of miles up the road then I’ll be rained on too.
Looks like my garage is beginning to flood. Not really a problem, because of a timely flood warning I have been able to move anything which would take harm……and I am comforted that those who think they live at the centre of the universe are not unduly affected.
Pete
Ok I will put it in another way. One part of the South-East of England can easily be flooded out while another has not a drop of rain. It is not at all impossible and indeed it happens frequently. The south east is a lot more than a couple of villages. I can’t believe I am explaining English Geography to a Yeoman of Essex
All floods are the fault of the government.
Before you had a government, there never were floods.
Tondew -
“Not really a problem, because of a timely flood warning I have been able to move anything which would take harm…”
But your whippets might like a swim. Come on, you don’t need flood warnings where you live. A day without rain must must be an excuse for a party.
Colm -
But you’re not explaining anything, You’re going from talking about a village up the road to talking about the entire region. Even then it’s highly unlikely that Sussex can have a flood somewhere without the great and ancient Kingdom of Essex remaining dry. The prevailing winds are likely to see such a low cross the whole south east.
And London doesn’t matter.
Saaaf London is all that matters !
They’re not apocalyptic they are flood warnings. Probably on account of the risk of flood and the actual floods over the last weeks.
Exactly. But to Pete Moore and Harri, it’s all a commie conspiracy. The Met office has been infiltrated as part of the Gramsci-inspired “long march” and the maths and physics of weather forecasting have been perverted to a political end. And I’m not being sarcastic – these goons really believe this.
Phantom
Of course I forgot the State angle. Before government intervened we did have floods but only when the market demanded it and as often as customers insisted. Once floods were nationalised they were rationed and now of course we only have ‘postcode flooding’ hence Pete being bone dry while I am being drenched
Unruly crackpots.
Same flood hysteria here in Austin every time it rains more than an inch or two.
Of course some dipshit driver always gets swept away in a low water crossing when the water comes pouring down the limestone hills, perpetuating the news hysteria over a bit of perfectly natural rain.
perpetuating the news hysteria over a bit of perfectly natural rain
Yes, 24 hour news coverage has certainly led to weather events getting far more coverage than before. But no-one is claiming that this rain is in any way “unnatural” even though it comes on top of an exceptionally wet spring.
The reason is that the jet stream is hitting most of the British Isles at a time of the year when it is usually brushing only north west Scotland. And this is the third summer in a row that this has happened, so there is a suspicion that we may be seeing a long term change in our weather. And no, I’m not claiming that AGW is to blame.
It’s not hysteria. The weather people said there was a risk of flooding. I moved some stuff in my garage so it was safe from flooding. It flooded. No problem. This is not hysteria, it’s just dealing with ‘normal’ weather events.
Peter, climate change is a fact. We could bore everyone by debating the merits of industrial or man-made climate change warming versus natural cyclical variants, (we really shouldn’t) but no one can claim that our earth doesn’t produce drastic climate changes that can be quite challenging.
We’re (central & west Texas) in our fifth year of drought and it’s having a significant impact on agriculture and ground water sustainability for a growing population.
A drought in Texas doesn’t mean anything. There probably have been tens of thousands of similar droughts in that area over the millions of years.
Your larger point is probably true.
Can you give London some of your drought please
Droughts are a historical constant in my neck of the woods, Phantom. Nothing new, but a clearly problematic with so many more people relying on such a sketchy major resource.
Here is England we manage to have official droughts with hosepipe bans and endless rain all at the same time !
There may be way too many people and sprinklered lawns and water loving farming in parts of Texas. And Nevada. And other states that are dry.
That’s a problem with no easy fix.
//We’re (central & west Texas) in our fifth year of drought and it’s having a significant impact on agriculture //
It would be interesting to see that if there continues to be evidence of warmer climates, increasingly hot summers, mild winters, etc., (and I said IF), would GW sceptics at some point change their tune or would then continue to scream “bad science”, “conspiracy by publically funded bodies” and “media scare-mongering” during breaks from licking the tap in the hope of a last drop of water.
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/04/09/us/weather-record-warm-march/index.html?hpt=hp_t3
Australia has just come to the end of the big dry, a decade of drout. This has happened before, even since the whites arrived, and probably hundreds of times in geological time. But the point is that the population of Australia is now thousands of times bigger than in 1750 and each of them uses hundreds of times as much water as the Aboriginies did when Captain Cook landed, especially when you factor in the amount used in mining and manufacturing.
So we are facing a crisis, and the Panglossian attitude of Rightworld (nothing to worry about, all commie hysteria) as supported by Bjorn Lomberg, will not even admit there is a problem, never mind deal with it.
“It would be interesting to see that if there continues to be evidence of warmer climates, increasingly hot summers, mild winters, etc … would GW sceptics at some point change their tune …”
Interesting to see that despite ongoing crap summers (I believe Frank O’Dwyer’s record breaking hot summer is now five years overdue) and continued cold winters, GW adherents still don’t change their tune.
Unfortunately, the exodus from California (can we please build an electrified fence) to central Texas continues unabated and they like green, green grass in their expensive, exurban landscapes.
Relying on deep, natural groundwater resources, subject as they are to severe, sustained drought and natural rainfall, as our main water source won’t sustain the region’s rapidly increasing population. This part of the country wasn’t meant to support dense, urban populations.
As you say, no easy fix.
Unless we secede.
Pete Moore
I appreciate that this may be a shock to you, but Essex / England / British Isles does not equate to the entire planet when it comes to temperature. It is called global warming, so check out average GLOBAL temperatures and get back to me.
Right
http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2011/20110908_auguststats.html
“Even then it’s highly unlikely that Sussex can have a flood somewhere without the great and ancient Kingdom of Essex remaining dry. “
The south east is bigger than Sussex and Essex. But maybe your problem is with the word ‘risk’. Risks do not always materialise, that is why they are called risks and not predictions or guarantees.
If you play Russian roulette and, after you pull the trigger, your face is still where it used to be, that doesn’t mean you weren’t at risk of blowing your head off.
Similarly if there was a risk of flooding the south east today, and it did not in fact flood or even rain in the south east today, that does not mean there was not a risk of flooding in the south east today.
Sheesh.
(And it did rain in the South East today.)
You’d want to be very careful about touching any of those deep acquifers. That sounds like one of the dumbest ideas ever.
Noel
Your link just proves that the commies have penetrated the US weather institutions as they have the British Met Office. Gramsci would be so proud
Frank O’Dwyer -
Don’t worry about any of that, just keep a look out for the “record-breaking hot summer” you promised me five years ago.
Pete,
“I believe Frank O’Dwyer’s record breaking hot summer is now five years overdue”
Please produce the quote where I predicted a record breaking hot summer.
No need to respond if you were lying.
Sod off, it was years ago.
Pete,
“Sod off, it was years ago.”
The archives of this site go back years.
But I never predicted a record-breaking hot summer, and that is why you cannot quote it.
You have been corrected on this before and are simply lying.
Frank O’Dwyer -
You will not stand before before God and say that. A couple of years after your erroneous prediction you even admitted it to me.
And if you think I have the time or inclination to search back five years for it you’re out of your mind.
Do good men regularly pour pithy bile into their late evening cocktails on the continent?
We all make mistakes.
And I don’t remember Frank ever making a specific prediction for any one year. I do remember him a number of times saying that there was a difference between weather and climate and that short term weather variations can be anything.
Time to go. I’ve been trapped in the office by two huge rainstorms. No drought in the northeast I tell you.
Our reservoirs are in great shape
http://www.nyc.gov/html/dep/html/drinking_water/maplevels_wide.shtml
Pete,
“You will not stand before before God and say that. A couple of years after your erroneous prediction you even admitted it to me.”
Please produce this admission.
No need to do so if you were lying about that too.
This pointless back and forth argumentative nonce is a complete waste of time that could be better spent in pursuit of more joyful interactions.
Sex would my first suggestion, reading the second.
Don’t worry about any of that, just keep a look out for the “record-breaking hot summer” you promised me five years ago.
Like the Bourbons in 1815, Pete Moore has forgotten nothing and learnt nothing.
Pete old son, it’s a waste of time arguing with you when it comes to science. It’s remarkable that on economics you are very rational (Austrian school) but when it comes to science you are in the very much in the “shoot the messenger” school. You seem to believe that global warming is a commie conspiracy myth, and you have expressed extreme scepticism about Darwin as well, which implies that you believe that Adam and Eve and Noah’s Ark actually happened.
So I won’t be wasting my time debating anything scientific with you from now on, and perhaps others will draw the same conclusion. Unless you repent, or show that I have mis-represented you.
Sex would my first suggestion, reading the second.
Yes!
Pete caught out once again.
I dont know if Pete’s economic views are exactlty in line with Austrian views, but they’re not generally rational and they’re often wrong. There Is a rigidity that is almost religious, a putting of theory before the evidence.
What a waste of time, but I will not have integrity impugned.
Frank O’Dwyer -
Right, the very quote is beyond my search skills. No doubt a tech head would give it a better go. However, on a thread about global temperatures, and following Frank O’Dwyer’s statement that he has a bet on 2009 being hot globally, we have this:
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Pete Moore, on May 27th, 2010 at 9:26 am Said:
“There was my nose telling me it could be a lovely hot summer, then the man with a 100% per cent record of getting it wrong says a hot one is likely too.
Frank O’Dwyer -
If this summer is a scorcher, will it be the record-breaking heatwave you predicted a couple of years ago arriving late?”
(In reply we get:)
Frank O’Dwyer, on May 27th, 2010 at 9:20 pm Said:
“Pete,
Heh. But it’s a global record for the year I was talking about, it isn’t my prediction, it’s not about summer and it’s not about the UK.”
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“Heh” is not the response of someone refuting my allegation. It is acknowledgement and acceptance. It’s a chortle, a recognition that you predicted a heatwave a couple of years before and it never happened. It still hasn’t happened.
No need to apologise.
Daphne
What about reading while having sex ?
Pete badly caught out.
Pete bases his entire case on the word ‘heh’
About as convincing as “If the glove doesn’t fit you must acquit”
I see that Pete has failed to produce anything to back up his claim that I predicted a record-breaking summer. So I will simply show him wrong by producing what I actually said.
Of course it’s irrelevant to the topic of the thread, and as Pete says it was years ago, so people who are finding this all very tedious may like to ask Pete why he brought it up.
Nothing there about record breaking anything, it’s not even a claim that the summer would be hot overall.
As to the “admission” that Pete claims I made some years later, I actually admitted my mistake (the one I actually made, not the one Pete attributed to me) some months later the same year. And in fact what I admitted to being mistaken about was what I *thought*, because what I wrote was correct.
There has of course been a heatwave in the UK since then and so my ‘prediction’ is in no way five years overdue as Pete pretends above, presumably in an effort to change the subject from his many errors in this thread.
And so apparently Pete must go back to 2007 to come up with an (unrelated) mistake I made, and can’t even get that right.
To find a mistake Pete has made, I need only scroll up and read any of his comments.
Well done, Frank.
Pete Moore is well informed on many things, but he can’t resist blatant distortions if he thinks it will help an argument.
BTW You must give an archive searching course here some time.
Noel’s comment prompted me to undertake a little archive surfing myself. This raised a smile:
“it’s bad enough that the talent for debate or civil discussions of disagreement has left here in the last year”
Troll(Sunday, July 11, 2010 at 02:11AM )
“Do you VOTE asshole, Do the people you vote for make the laws asswipe, or are you nothing but a peasant living at the whim of some inbred that lives in a Castle?”
Troll(Thursday, April 22, 2010 at 01:00PM)
“Put your money where your mouth is put up or shut up…… ya little prick”
Troll (Friday, April 9, 2010 at 01:19PM)
“if you were here I would be punching you in the face.”
Troll [to Noel] (Monday, May 3, 2010 at 12:11AM)
“Noel at 10:14pm your an idiot, and Sean is always an ass”
Troll (Thursday, May 20, 2010 at 12:20PM)
http://www.atangledweb.org/?p=14996
More than a month’s rain in 24 hours; last night, 11,000 homes and businesses were at risk; and around 80 flood warnings and alerts are still in place. Those are the vital statistics after heavy downpours forced people to flee their homes overnight.
Noel Cunningham -
What “blatant distortion”?
I said that five years ago Frank O’Dwyer predicted a hot summer which we’re still waiting on. I was right almost to the day!
The problem that too many people have on here is that they aim for a win instead of just debating, but because I am unmatched intellectually they resort to their own blatant distortions (like you here), cheap shots (like Tarasov at 10.08am) or a desperate haymaker in the dark (Phantom on many threads, and at 1.13am here).
Gents, a man knows his limitations.
cheap shots
Thin skin. Just calling it as I see it. Many seem to agree with me. I wonder why!
January 2006 – Al Gore promoted his movie “An Inconvenient Truth” predicting that we would have only 10 years before Climategeddon – 10 years before the planet roasted, the seas swelled and rising waters swallowed up the Statue of Liberty, the few remaining helpless little polar bears were left stranded, with only one iceberg remaining amongst the lot of them, etc. etc.
It’s now June 1012…. we have only a little over 3 years left!! yikes!!! da sky is falling!!!
Pete,
“I said that five years ago Frank O’Dwyer predicted a hot summer which we’re still waiting on.”
Nope, that’s not what you said. It is certainly hilarious for you to criticise anyone for failing to foresee the future (how’s that hyperinflation coming?) when you’re not even a reliable source on what you yourself said yesterday, let alone what I said five years ago!
I hope you do not fancy yourself some kind of history buff??
And of course your new claim is also wrong because I didn’t predict a hot summer either.
Why are you lying about easily checked facts anyway? Were you hoping that nobody would notice that Tondew cleaned your clock in debate above?
Petr Tarasov,
“More than a month’s rain in 24 hours; last night, 11,000 homes and businesses were at risk; and around 80 flood warnings and alerts are still in place. Those are the vital statistics after heavy downpours forced people to flee their homes overnight.”
Yes those flood warnings are a puzzler alright.
Amusing too to see that the usual suspects vigorously denying that it has anything to do with climate change or even IS a climate change, when nobody here has said that it does or is.
Bit defensive there, kind of like a child denying they ate all the biscuits before anyone’s noticed they were gone.
Frank O’Dwyer -
We know what you said five years ago: “When the heatwave comes this summer as it will, ..”
What on earth you’re still arguing about I can’t imagine.
I wouldn’t use Phantom’s testimony about me and hyperinflation either. He makes it up. Like the politician, today’s argument is all that matters. Truth is irrelevent.
No, don’t go digging up some throw away remark from a few years ago about cash mountains or wheelbarrows. If I think hyperinflation will happen I will be clear and specific about it. At most, I’ve said it’s a danger with the current money supply. I’ve also said that hyperinflation is as much a social and political phenomenon as monetary, which its prediction problematic. It’ll happen one day if governments try to re-inflate broken economies for long enough, and if the days comes I’ll say so.
You predicted hyperinflation would come because of the expansion of the money supply. Yes you did. The ” Iron Laws of Economics ” would see to it, I believe the story went.
As your American Idol predicted it, very explicitly.
And you never stray too far from the Ron Paul reservation.
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2011/03/prweb5160104.htm
http://www.pickwicksgib.com/atw/?p=8379
February 2009
This post from Pete Moore says ” wheelbarrows at the ready ” . I suppose thats not a prediction of hyperinflation. He must be referring to some construction project
And the inside baseball comment that ” rising prices are not inflation ”
Nothing means anything outside of a phony Austrian text or as vetted by some guy in Alabama.
Pete,
“We know what you said five years ago: “When the heatwave comes this summer as it will, ..””
Yes I do know what I said five years ago, and now so does everybody else now that I’ve corrected you. Let us know when you catch up.
But whether or not I predicted anything five years ago (!), that’s pretty irrelevant to the topic of flood warnings, isn’t it? So why did you bring it up and why did you need to misrepresent what I wrote?
” If I think hyperinflation will happen I will be clear and specific about it. ”
Haha. When you talk of wheelbarrows and the Weimar, nobody should run away with the idea you’re predicting hyperinflation, but when I say ‘heh’ you’ll read into it what you wish, and put words in my mouth about ‘record breaking hot summers’? Sod off.
Those flood warnings turned out pretty accurate tho, didn’t they? Still confused about them or do you want to change the subject again?
Those flood warnings turned out pretty accurate tho, didn’t they?
Yes. Yes they did! Therefore, the answer to the title of this post – IS IT JUST ME? – is, erm, yes!