Texas Holder
By Mahons On July 11th, 2012Attorney General Eric Holder labeled the Texas law that seeks to have a Voter ID program in place as a return to Jim Crow “poll tax” days. He is not only wrong, he’s part of a political campaign to portray such laws as a return to more difficult times.
Governor Perry of Texas, a man who might not be able to spell “ID”, is not bringing back segregation of old. The idea that a voter is not able to produce a photo ID because of race is specious. My kids have photo ids. My youngest is two years old. If someone can’t manage to get themselves a driver’s license, a passport, a hunting license or a non-driver’s ID then perhaps they haven’t been discriminated against, and maybe they are just plain lazy.
Look, in the history of Texas there has been inequality and discrimination against minority voters. And that is in living memory, not in the mists of time. But having a voter ID plan to avoid fraud is not discrimination, it is common sense. I see no other explanation for the attack on this law as the Administration trying to create a racial issue for political advantage. They should be called out on it.
The Dhimmicrats have all 52 cards, but all they wantbto play is Race Card Holdup.
The Post Racial President got his masters in it on the streets of Chicago. He has no desire to transcend what he learned there.
But having a voter ID plan to avoid fraud is not discrimination, it is common sense.
Voter fraud is virtually non existent. And although your kids already have id, as do mine, there are tens of thousands of people who don’t. And those without are more likely to be minoritys, who are more likely to be democrat voters. Anyone who thinks that the Republicans who are introducing these laws don’t know that is very naive.
None of the Jim Crow voting laws ever mentioned race but the combined effect was to disenfranchise mostly blacks (and poor whites). Which was why the Civil Rights acts provided for federal review of electoral laws in any area with a history of discrimination.
The Republicans can pretend that there is a massive voter fraud campaign that can only be stamped out with these voter id laws but their implementation shows their true bias (gun permits are acceptable, student ids or medicaid cards aren’t).
The US has lower rates of voter registration and participation the almost all other countries but there is little effort to increase that from the Republicans.
Voter fraud is an old Democratic Party tradition. Don’t believe me? Dig up LBJ and ask him about what he did for the Democrats in 1960 in rural Texas. Then go up to Chicago and dig up Mayor Daley and ask what he did up there for JFK in 1960.
The linked article claims that there never is any voter fraud since there are ” so few complaints.” Well, I guess that proves everything.
It’s pretty simple. Voter fraud is how the Dems win many elections –
this is why they are fighting tooth and nail against common sense requirements of photo ID at the polls.
Good news that voter fraud is non existent in the US. It’s utterly rampant here in the UK. Tower Hamlets being a great example.
Fifty odd people all registered as living in the same one bedroom flat and all requiring postal votes. Nothing to see here…move along…this is not the cultural enrichment that your looking for….
And oddly enough all voting for Islamic candidates like Lutfer Rahman.
h/t Andrew Gilligan
Few – Voter Photo ID laws exist in Indiana and Pennsylvania, neither of which were states were Jim Crow laws existed. Voter ID laws are polling at about a 75% approval rate nationwide, so it isn’t the return of Bull Connor.
A voter ID is a minimal and noninvasive requirement. And among registered voters I doubt it is a serious concern. However, pretending a simple requirement such as showing some form of ID is discriminatory is wedge issue that the Administration is using as a campaign tool.
I love the way you characterize this Democrat issue as a simple political wedge, a “campaign tool”…lol.
Dems don’t want ID’s because it eliminates cheating at the voting booth….cheating as a “campaign tool?” lol
Can you ever just stop spinning for the Progressive Dems and just tell it as it is? for once?
Patty – you have been exposed here on this site as a serial liar with the intellect of a headless flea.
If you think calling out the Administration for stirring the racial pot for political gain is spinning for them, then you remain hopeless.
Photo ID is a good idea.
Actually I would have thought it’d be the looney conservative faction that would be against such an obviously “big-government” measure.
Noel – Good point. I could see our friend Pete Moore damning the state for taking his likeness.
Few made a valid point in that certain Republicans do see this as a way to reduce a potential minority vote since blacks and hispanics make up a higher percentage of those without photo ids. But this isn’t merely being driven by Republicans. The cure for a lack of ids is not to reject voter id but to make sure minority voters get voter ids and register. It could actually drive up minority registration if folks got up and got voter ids so they could vote.
But it is easier for the Administration to pretend we have to march on Selma again rather than get people to get off their butts and register and get a photo id.
“Few made a valid point in that certain Republicans do see this as a way to reduce a potential minority vote”
total bullshit – everyone has an ID or can get an ID – disenfranchised minorities cannot function without IDs – they have to show their IDs for everything – welfare check payment cashing etc.
no one lives without IDs. this is just a bunch of baloney.
“you have been exposed here on this site as a serial liar with the intellect of a headless flea.”
Angry, Mahons? I guess “spinning” hits the mark?
Since it makes you so mad that you have to resort to name calling, I’ll spell it out for you: your spin is the way you ignore Democrat cheating – you spin the discussion by steering it away from the cheating angle and emphasizing the political wedge angle…
very few have to “get off their butts” to get a photo ID – everyone has an ID already…
Its the cheating.
The only reason that I thought identity cards were a good idea in this country was the possibility of having to produce them to vote.
But I’m sure there would have been similar objections here, particularly from certain quarters where multiple voting is the routine.
Patty – I am the happy warrior as usual. Republican Congressman Mike Turzai said voter ID will help Mitt Romney win Pennsylvania. So much for your “argument”.
Voter fraud is pretty minimal, even in Texas. Look at the statistics, they prosecute virtually no one for it. However, people without photo ids is actually a significant number, shouldn’t be in the modern age, but it is in fact the case.
Someday, Mahons, venture into the “ghetto” – ha! – and try to buy a pack of cigs. or cash a check, without a photo ID – heck, try to drive there without a photo ID…
here illegally? i’d venture to guess that one of the first things every single illegal resident does in Los Angeles is find a photo ID so they can function….
you really do need to get out of the bubble.
Noel Cunningham -
Requiring proof of ID is hardly a big government measure. In fact the corollory is big government activism.
Mahons’ portrayal of a “wedge issue” is somewhat off-beam. The context is the same as that which we see in the UK: parties of the Left are attempting to import, and expand political enfranchisement to, so many foreigners that they everntually gerrymander themselves into permanent power on the back of these votes. Allowing armies of black and hispanic and immigrant voters to participate in undeniably fraudulent elections is one way of bringing that about.
It’s known that immigrants tend to vote Labour/Democrat, and what’s The Kenyan just done? Offered an amnesty to almost a million colonisers. Do you think he’d have done that if that was a million probable Republicans? Of course not.
It’s funny. There are people here who’d defend laws requiring photo IDs to be presented when someone wants to get a mobile phone. But prove who you are before voting? For shame!
And let’s be honest, if an adult is so useless as to be without a passport or driving licence by the time they’re eligible to vote it’s best that they’re kept out of the way in any case.
Come on, let’s be honest. This is about swinging it for Obama by getting as many blacks voting, and it’s about swinging it for Romney by getting them to stay at home.
Patty – I buy cigarettes without a photo id on a regular basis, despite my youthful appearance. But I enjoy the fact that you target “the ghetto” which demonstrates who you think is impavcted by this law.
Pete – An illegal wouldn’t be able to vote. But i am for Voter ID (as noted above). Obama doesn’t merely want to get more minorities to the polls, he wants an issue that makes liberals, Democrats and swing voters think that the Republicans have created this for purely racial discrimination purposes.
total bullshit – everyone has an ID or can get an ID – disenfranchised minorities cannot function without IDs – they have to show their IDs for everything – welfare check payment cashing etc.
no one lives without IDs. this is just a bunch of baloney.
Patty,
Then how do you explain the statistics on lack of ID for a disproportionate number of minorities (in Philly, eg)?
Regardless of whether anyone views these laws as good or bad, to claim that there are no Republicans who see them as a means of reducing votes for Democrats is either delusional or mendacious.
Come on, let’s be honest. This is about swinging it for Obama by getting as many blacks voting, and it’s about swinging it for Romney by getting them to stay at home.
Pete is 100% correct.
If Texas did not have an estimated one million (+/-) illegal aliens living our within state lines, voter ID would not be necessary or even up for discussion. To encourage all legal adults to acquire proper identification, the state is waiving their minor fee for impoverished citizens.
Thirty years of calculated, blatant disregard of immigration law and our porous southern border by successive Republican and Democrat politicians have put us in this position. Our fearless leaders decided that catering to corrupt business interests seeking cheap, slave labor trumped common sense.
Holder and Obama can go pound sand.
How dare you call them illegal aliens
The Dems and big media always call them immigrants now
How nice. Immigrants..
I was trying to be somewhat politic, Phantom.
Wetback is the more common term.
http://www.truthaboutfraud.org/
“•An analysis of more than 250 claims of fraud in the Supreme Court’s photo ID case
• ◦Finding not one proven case of a fraudulent vote that the challenged law could prevent
◦Exposing false assertions that photo ID is required for common activities”
Patty for the love of God, would you EVER get some education. You really are a nitwit of the highest order.
Patty:” venture into the “ghetto” – ha! – and try to buy a pack of cigs. or cash a check, without a photo ID – heck, try to drive there without a photo ID”
Well well, looks like Patty does know who these ID measures are meant to keep away from the polls.
Perhaps Holder is right after all?
No, Holder isn’t right. He is using historical discrimination measures to attack the Voter ID laws politicially, not legally.
Memo to Holder, Obama and Democrat Party:
Texas 2012 isn’t Mississippi 1862.
Unless their secret plan to win back white southerners is to call them ” racist! ” every other day
Phantom – I think it is a play to the Democrat base which is less enthusiastic this time and needs a red meat issue (like alleged discrimination) to get fired up.
Texas 2012 isn’t Texas 1952 either.
It could be very harmful to national unity, short term and long.
And this guy was supposed to be post-racial?
The Black and Hispanic democrat base aren’t exactly happy with all of the illegal aliens either.
These paperless people suck up blue collar & menial jobs, driving down fair wages and benefits while soaking up local & state resources that were already stretched thin in minority neighborhoods.
Texas is right on this issue. It’d be nice though, if hypocritical Perry actually had the temerity to hold local business accountable for hiring so many illegals – prosecution, severe fines and jail time sound about right to me.
Enforce the law, take away the jobs, you eliminate the problem and solve this pesky voter ID issue.
D
Yes. Take away the employment and other attraction, and the problem begins to solve itself. But a lot of the small and not so small business employers of illegals are Republicans, one of the reasons why the GW Bushes of this world never pursued this strategy hard enough.
Take away the attraction of birthright citizenship for children of illegals – an idiotic policy that only the US and Canada among advanced countries observe-. and you’re really talking.
//Take away the attraction of birthright citizenship for children of illegals //
As admirable as it no doubt was in intention, I never understood why that law hasn’t been repealed long ago, and especially why there aren’t louder calls for it to go.
Just imagine the chaos that would result if European countries had something similar.
Phantom -
“And this guy was supposed to be post-racial?”
That’s what the talking heads said, and they’re the experts!
Admittedly I don’t live over there, but my non-scientific reading of news headlines suggests that race relations haven’t exactly been enhanced in the last four years.
The original intent ( believe it or not ) had to do with citizenship rights of newly freed slaves I believe
Can you possibly imagine the demagogueing we would see if there were a serious effort to reverse this
See this ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution ) All the ATW Constitutional scholars already knew it of course.
Race relations for most of us on the ground have been on a long track of improvement over the past decades.
Which creates its own problems for the Race Industry, and for Sharpton, and now we see for Obama and Holder.
The blame absolutely lies with Republicans on this issue, Phantom.
We would not have 20 million + illegal aliens in this country if the GOP had not worked hat in hand with big business and major lobbyists like the Chamber of Commerce. Our elected officials purposely subverted and ignored immigration laws in favor of pocket-lining, crony capitalism.
And yes, we should repeal birthright citizenship tomorrow.
If the GOP were actually concerned with good governance they’d be voting on that rather than pointless grandstanding (33 votes, seriously?) on repealing Obamacare.
Personally, face to face race relations are mostly fine.
Politically, not so much.
I have long been of the opinion that the Republican leadership wants to be seen as taking action on certain things like
Illegal immigration
Tort reform
Reduced spending, less waste
But that they never intend to succeed on any of these things that they’re supposedly trying to do.
Because illegal immigration aids lots of employers and keeps wages down. And lots of lawsuits keeps Republican trial and defense lawyers busy. And big spending puts money in the campaign contributors pockets.
They are not sincere in what they say. Not one of them.
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BTW, are any prominent Texas Democrats critical of the demonization of Voter ID laws, or are they all along for the ride?
The stats your reading on Philly are lies, first off Patty is right you can’t do anything in the city without an ID you can’t cash a check, you can’t buy a pack a cigarettes and the city will get you a State ID for free.
The dead have been voting in Philly for centuries, the city invented what they call walking money on election day, They send people out with vans and pockets full of money. Paying people to round up “Voters” there are very few places in the world that match the city for graft and fraud.
My question to you is Mahons who are you going to vote for?
You voted for Obama, are you going to vote for him again or are you going to vote for Romney?
Your the type of voter that’s going to make the difference. The fraud isn’t going away, the question is how many of you the enlightened, after putting this man in office are going to change their vote.
You man enough to admit you were wrong?
NY isn’t in the game. It doesn’t matter who he votes for, the Democrat zombies will carry the day. They’d vote for Lucifer if he got the nomination.
I always vote, but my vote doesn’t matter for national elections either.
No, Phantom. So far, all of our Dem reps are either supportive or silent on the ID issue.
Holder’s grandstanding is a politically calculated move and the troops have fallen in line. I’m so cynical of all politicians these days, there doesn’t seem to be many honest, free-minded brokers left on the playing field.
They’re all bought, crooked, hangnail sorts of pathetic flotsam.
I feel lucky to have lived in a time when Bob Bullock, Barbara Jordon, Lloyd Bentson, Ann Richards and even GWB, as governor, legislated with dignity, integrity and goodwill for common weal.
Nowadays it seems like most (dems and gop alike) are polarized extremists, reactionary idiots, dumbed down to the lowest denominator, of no mind to speak with honest clarity and lacking in the basic ability to practice prudent governance.
The entire lot appears to be nothing more than a horrid clutch of insane demagogues.
what’s it matter to you Daphne? You aren’t even going to vote.
If you aren’t going to vote as you have said, so your opinion carries as much weight as your vote.
Which mean it equals nothing…..
Troll,
President Obama is +12 in PA over Romney.
Good job electing that Governor, tea party!
LOL
It doesn’t actually matter whether or not x, y or z gets to vote in the US. The fact remains that they will be voting for either Obama or Romney, which is no difference whatsoever. It is however, a very good diversion from what really matters and this is the control of money, because that determines everything. Whoever controls money controls everything and everybody, including the political class. It is exactly as Montague Norman (Governor of the Bank of England 1920 – 44) said:
“By dividing the voters through the political party system, we can get them to expend their energies in fighting for questions of no importance.”
QED
When did Allan become a Socialist?
One hundred years before Montagu Norman’s words, Thomas Jefferson had opinions on the bankers:
“If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.” – Thomas Jefferson 1816
As we now see, ordinary Americans are having their property confiscated by the banks – and this really does matter. Of course, if you’re mahons or Phantom, wtf does it matter because we’re OK.
ah 1816.
So, not endorsing either presidential candidate means one has no interest or concern in national affairs.
Troll, your mental depth couldn’t drown a sackful of kittens.
Pinky – are the above comments supposed to be a demonstration of your wit or your witlessness? While the great majority of people are being diverted by matters of no importance, their jobs, homes, freedoms and futures are being stripped from them by those who control money – and your response to that is as seen above. Not very clever.
Here’s what matters.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDCXzqgD99o&feature=player_embedded#!
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
-The Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution
Allan,
You are responded to as you deserve to be responded to.
How do you get out from under the bed long enough to type these responses?
Allan 1159
You’re a god damned liar
http://www.snopes.com/quotes/jefferson/banks.asp
Have a nice day
Pinky – the posts which I have written are some level above your dim-witted responses, and that is self-evident.
My post of 11.53 shows that the question of whether x, y or z gets the vote is irrelevant beause the Establishment’s candidates are one-and-the-same, and that control of money is all that matters: my opinion. Your response was “When did Allan become a Socialist?” – Hardly worth typing.
My post of 11.59 quoted Thomas Jefferson in 1816 when he warned that private control of American money would lead to the confiscation by the banks of the wealth of the American people, and that is happening now. Your response was “ah 1816″ – Piss poor.
My post of 12.23 am question the quality of your responses and backed the earlier assertions with an example of how the freedoms of Americans are being stripped in direct violation of the rights under the Constitution and your response was at 12.30.
Pinky – these matters are clearly beyond you. Why not simply type nothing at all? That would be much better for you.
Your Jefferson quote is false. And you have done this before. You lie!
The nect Allan quote
As George Washinton said in 1776 ” Elect Ron Paul and abolish the Fed “
I’m shocked, shocked to find that the making up of quotes by Allan@Aberdeen is going on in here!
As Julius Ceasar Once said in the Rome Forum ” thank God Snopes will be invented somecday “
“The trouble with quotes on the internet is it’s difficult to determine if they are genuine”
Abraham Lincoln
Firstly, there is a difference between being wrong and being a liar, and it’s an important difference though it appears that in your desperation to offend that you either don’t know or don’t care whereas I do.
Using ‘snopes’ (two ageing hippies in a California condominium) as an informative reference is not a good idea. So let’s somewhere else:
http://www.monticello.org/site/jefferson/private-banks-quotation
The first part of the quotation (“If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered”) has not been found anywhere in Thomas Jefferson’s writings, to Albert Gallatin or otherwise. It is identified in Respectfully Quoted as spurious, and the editor further points out that the words “inflation” and “deflation” are not documented until after Jefferson’s lifetime.[2] -
First sentence conceded.
- The second part of the quotation (“I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies…”) may well be a paraphrase of a statement Jefferson made in a letter to John Taylor in 1816. He wrote, “And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale.”[3] -
Oh dear – it looks very much as though Thomas Jefferson really is opposed to private control of the issuance of American money.
- The third part of this quotation (“The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs”) may be a misquotation of Jefferson’s comment to John Wayles Eppes, “Bank-paper must be suppressed, and the circulating medium must be restored to the nation to whom it belongs.”[4] -
And this reinforces Jefferson’s argument for national (Congressional) control over the issuance of American money.
Henceforth, I’ll use this:
So there we have it. The quotation first attributed by me to Thomas Jefferson is incorrect as it is non-sourced but the actual documented quotation above is probably more emphatic than the first incorrect quotation.
Phantom – I would like you to answer this question. Why did you call me a liar when you could simply have disputed the origin of the quotation? The cast-iron quotation is stronger than the incorrect original so I’m fairly happy with that but I don’t like being called a liar. After all, I’m always prepared to argue and debate (the point of this site) without calling my opponent a liar.
I retract that
But you are seriously naive at best. The internet is filled with false facts, spread by partisan hysterics, and you are constantly finding them
Phantom – you’ve missed the point. The incorrect ‘quotation’ is effectively trumped by the real quotation. I am very happy with this and I will use it whenever necessary. Not only that, but what Jefferson said has proven to be true.
Which previously cited quotations do you dispute specifically?
The bank of england head quote was particularly bad
Cheers
Really? Where Montagu Norman said (maybe / maybe not – the litmus test being its factuality) “By dividing the voters through the political party system, we can get them to expend their energies in fighting for questions of no importance.”
That quotation expresses things as they were back in 1924 and especially today. Unfortunately I wasn’t there to determine whether or not he actually did say it but it is truthful although I can well understand why somebody involved in the financial sector would deny it. It is quite damning of the moneyed powers, isn’t it?
Hmmm… here is the Montagu Norman ‘quote’ being discussed on a money-related website:
http://forumnews.wordpress.com/2011/04/04/the-ultimate-bankster-quote-from-a-former-governor-of-the-bank-of-england-1920-1944/
The comments and the efforts to check it from original sources show it to be unverifiable. Does this therefore mean that voters are NOT expending their energies on questions of no importance?
But what Montagu Norman did is far worse than what he said, at least, in public:
http://druckversion.studien-von-zeitfragen.net/Conjuring%20Hitler%20Chapter%204.pdf
When George Carlin said words to the effect that “these wealthy cocksuckers don’t care a f*ck for you at all, at all, at all”, this is the embodiment of whom he meant.
And at least we have discussed something of real importance – the control of America’s money.
Daphne you said you weren’t voting for either…. so by your own choice your opinion doesn’t count