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ATW BELFAST SUMMIT….

By David Vance On August 15th, 2012

Well then, apologies for lack of posts today but there was a server problem this morning which inconvenienced me! At this moment I have more server problems than Gordon Ramsay opening a new restaurant.  Anyhow, am back from an ATW Belfast summit with two of our most esteemed regulars patrons, Paul and Seimi. We conducted political discussions in the Crown Bar in Belfast and I can advise you that we sorted everything out and both Paul and Seimi have now converted to Free Presbyterianism and joined the Orange Order. JOKE!  In fact both these gentlemen were extremely courteous, great company and we had a good bit of chat. And yes, we gossiped about YOU dear reader, specifically you! So if your ears were burning earlier, that’s why!  Paul and Seimi have been longstanding readers of ATW and I wanted to thank them for their patronage and support – and tolerance of me! Anyway, as proof of this auspicious occasion, here are a few pics! First, Paul and myself sorting out Marx, Groucho, that is!

Then, here are the terrible trio. By this point, as you can see, I was deep in prayer!

It was my pleasure to meet these guys, hope they enjoyed our couple of hours shooting the breeze. When it comes to music, I don’t do requests but I do like to make my own little points so – here’s to the both of you and to the next summit wherever it will be!

120 Responses to “ATW BELFAST SUMMIT….”

  1. I’m jealous. You met up when the sun was still up I see. Cheers!

  2. David, it was an absolute pleasure meeting you this evening. I probably did have some pre-conceptions about how you would be, as you probably did about meeting me/us, but I’m so glad to have been proved wrong.

    Anyone who hasn’t met with David yet – make a point of doing so. He’s a real nice guy; friendly, affable, witty, and generally all-round good to be around.

    Although- don’t take the ‘drinks are on me’ thing too seriously! (He had to borrow a couple of quid off us to buy a round!) 😉

    In all seriousness though – I can honestly see why Troll, Mahons, Phantom, Colm, Noel et al get on so well with him. He’s a nice guy.

    Let’s do it again soon! 🙂

    And thanks so much for the song! 🙂

  3. it’s no surprise to me that a good evening was had by all – from the various online chats I’ve had with David V, Seimi and Paul, I’d say that you are all good, honest men. Looks like you had an enjoyable meet-up. Nice one.

  4. Nice one chaps.

    Off-topic – can I leave it here? Or maybe some of our ATW contributors would care to start a new thread? 🙂

    “So, how have the Republicans managed to persuade Americans to buy into the whole “Obama as big spender” narrative?

    It might have something to do with the first year of the Obama presidency where the federal budget increased a whopping 17.9% —going from $2.98 trillion to $3.52 trillion. I’ll bet you think that this is the result of the Obama sponsored stimulus plan that is so frequently vilified by the conservatives…but you would be wrong.

    The first year of any incoming president term is saddled—for better or for worse—with the budget set by the president whom immediately precedes the new occupant of the White House. Indeed, not only was the 2009 budget the property of George W. Bush—and passed by the 2008 Congress—it was in effect four months before Barack Obama took the oath of office.

    Accordingly, the first budget that can be blamed on our current president began in 2010 with the budgets running through and including including fiscal year 2013 standing as charges on the Obama account, even if a President Willard M. Romney takes over the office on January 20, 2013.

    So, how do the actual Obama annual budgets look?

    Courtesy of Marketwatch-
    •In fiscal 2010 (the first Obama budget) spending fell 1.8% to $3.46 trillion.
    • In fiscal 2011, spending rose 4.3% to $3.60 trillion.
    •In fiscal 2012, spending is set to rise 0.7% to $3.63 trillion, according to the Congressional Budget Office’s estimate of the budget that was agreed to last August.
    •Finally in fiscal 2013 — the final budget of Obama’s term — spending is scheduled to fall 1.3% to $3.58 trillion. Read the CBO’s latest budget outlook.

    No doubt, many will wish to give the credit to the efforts of the GOP controlled House of Representatives. That’s fine if that’s what works for you.

    However, you don’t get to have it both ways. Credit whom you will, but if you are truly interested in a fair analysis of the Obama years to date—at least when it comes to spending—you’re going to have to acknowledge that under the Obama watch, even President Reagan would have to give our current president a thumbs up when it comes to his record for stretching a dollar.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/05/24/who-is-the-smallest-government-spender-since-eisenhower-would-you-believe-its-barack-obama/

  5. Looks like a fine meeting, sadly I flew home today and was too tied up this week in family obligations to make it. I have always wanted to check out the Crown. My apologies, I’ll try to organize a summit next time I go over.

  6. There’s an old English saying,
    “Never judge a book by its cover..!”

    Now if I didn’t know better, I’d assume that this was a Probation Officer meeting up with a fine pair of reprobates coming in for their monthly review… 🙂

    Paul and Seimi look exactly how I’d imagined.
    I think it’s great that all three of you got together on behalf of the ATW international family, and perhaps more thought could go into planning a summit more of us could get to.

    I would LOVE to attend, but I reckon it needs a minimum of two days. One for a sharing of wisdom and confessions (for the Catholics), and then maybe a cheapo meal and folk music in the evening?
    I would rather come over to Ireland, but we need to research somewhere to stay, and get a price on a group booking.

    Come on lads, we have the technology,
    All that’s missing is the planning!

  7. We talked about having another summit last night Agi. I’d love to meet more of the people from ATW (even you! ;)), but the problem would be location.

    Obviously, I would prefer somewhere in Ireland, north or south, but in reality, it would take less time for me to travel from Belfast to London, than it would to travel from here to, say, Galway. Hopefully something can be organised soon. Phantom said he’d be over in September, to London at least. Maybe something could be arranged for then?

    Sorry you couldn’t make it, Mahons, but I hope the trip was worthwhile and that your father-in-law enjoyed himself.

    Tom, I’m definitely a good, honest man – I can’t speak for the other two! 😉

  8. Simei,
    I would be willing to look into organising something here in England, but in fairness to most ATWers who seem to have strong Irish connections, we might lose something. I know that Kilburn London has a strong Irish community, but that’s ALL I know.
    What I was thinking is that for example in our village we have a community centre, and i am pretty sure we could set things up so that tough old ATWers could kip on the floor in sleeping bags etc.
    BUT
    We don’t have the pubs to provide the necessary atmosphere.
    So here’s my suggestion..

    Let’s look at doing it thee CHEAPEST way possible.
    Preferably beds -at least for me and Ernest!
    Where doesn’t matter, as long as it’s near the action and the airport/railways
    Might be a community centre or a homeless hostel, whatever.
    We are talking about three days max.

    We want a lively pub, a room for introductions, exchange of views, punch ups and first aid.
    Then food and live music.
    Next day a tour of the place, another meal, speeches another exchange of fistsviews, photo opportunities and cordial goodbyes ’til next time.
    Now that’s not difficult.
    We could approach a popular lively pub with the numbers of beds needed (how they find them is their business), a room for a couple of meetings, two meals and a St John’s First Aider laid on.

    Mrs Agit8ed has been to Dublin, and thought it was wonderful -especially as I hadn’t been there..
    But I would like to see as many of our American cousins make it as possible.
    Cost is ALL!
    Good food, music and good humour, followed by pelting any Englishmen with Irish gold pieces is secondary..
    What I suggest is that if David is willing and able, all those interested in doing it pass their email addresses to him.
    Then once we agree on a venue someone ,
    (NOT David or Mahons, because they are busy writing books)
    agrees to coordinate the whole thing.
    I am willing to help however I can to make it happen.

  9. Sounds like you’ve it all worked out Agi 🙂

    Belfast has all the stuff you mentioned. Accomodation is reasonably priced, as is food, drink etc. Very interesting place to visit too, with plenty to see on a tour. The nightlife is great too.

    Having said that, London has all that and more, though maybe it’s too big?

  10. Seimi,
    In deference to you Irish and because I’ve never been there, I personally would prefer Ireland North or South.
    It really depends on the response.
    But there are cheaper places than motels/hotels and I for one am not proud or interested in status.
    The only concessions I would make to cheapness is health requirements.
    if some needed special provision fair enough.

    If Belfast lets do Belfast the cheapest way possible, and have a really nice time. If London I would get in touch with pubs in Kilburn to see what they could offer. But London ain’t my speciality!

  11. Agit8ed

    It’s settled, then. Next year in Brooklyn!

  12. Phantom,
    when we win the lottery and I pay for all ATWers to attend.
    Until then,
    Bog Off!

    Seimi,
    I have contacted the London Irish centre in London, and they are going to get back to me with costs for a lowest accommodation price and an Irish bar with live music and food (I didn’t ask for the lead content)
    I said September at the earliest, November at the latest.
    They said they would reply with a note wrapped round a brick, asp…

  13. “I have contacted the London Irish centre in London…,

    As oppose to the London Irish centre in Madrid ? 😉

  14. Does not compute.
    Either you help me or you throw unhelpful Irish shit from the sidelines..

    I want a venue preferably in Northern Ireland or Southern Ireland, at the cheapest possible price for accommodation -even community centres- for two evening meals and live entertainment (preferably including the Fureys) and a room to meet/fight in.
    Probably around thirty people (if the Irish Yanks can stop bragging and put their money where their mouths are, and get on board.
    Now either you help me or you shut up.

  15. ??

    Colm’s one of the good guys.

    Who’s bragging, and what are they bragging about?

    Let’s keep it light. Life’s too short.

    ??

  16. Agi
    As it happens it does compute.
    Why does anyone have to shut up if they aren’t deemed to be helping you?
    Why insult the “Irish Yanks”?

  17. Phantom,
    Exactly.
    You’re dealing with the same kind of Englishman who did it, rather than “talked” about it.
    I want you Irish/Americans to be at an ATW summit, and I want to get the cheapest possible price to make it it possible.

    I have at very best another 10 years, when I shall be 76.
    So get back to me when you have a better deal for an American venue.
    Personally I believe it should be in Ireland,
    but then I am a descendant of Oliver Cromwell, so what would I know?

  18. “Agi
    As it happens it does compute.
    Why does anyone have to shut up if they aren’t deemed to be helping you?
    Why insult the “Irish Yanks”?”

    Aileen,
    I am not insulting the Irish Yanks.
    I am saying to Colm who wants to be treated as English, that I want his help, not his asides.
    You think it’s easy for an ordinary Englishman to make enquiries for an ATW summit, to phone up an Irish centre in London to find accommodation for an Irish group interested in current affairs and Irish food and music???
    Never done it before, but on the basis of opinions expressed and digested, willing to stick my neck out.
    Now go ahead and prove me wrong.

  19. Agit8ed

    You’ve lost your marbles.

  20. Agi

    “if the Irish Yanks can stop bragging .. ” is insulting

    Colm is English. Do you wish to be considered as wanting to be treated as English?

    You may want Colm’s help and not his asides but that doesn’t mean you can reasonably demand he doesn’t make his asides.

    Prove you wrong about what?

  21. Wish I could come – the timing is not good for me – too many family obligations at the moment.

    I don’t think id attend if i had to sleep at a homeless hostel though. that sounds awful to me, even if i were drunk on beer.

  22. Aileen
    If you follow postings on ATW , you think the English don’t get slated?
    I want to see a representative ATW summit. Three ain’t a summit.
    I want all ATWers to have the opportunity to get together.
    Colm lives in London.
    His parents were Irish.

    As an Englishman I am trying to find the cheapest possible authentic venue for all of us -but the emphasis on Irishness, not Englishness.
    Now you take offence at that if you want to.

  23. I don’t think I’d attend if I had to sleep at a homeless hostel though. that sounds awful to me, even if iIwere drunk on beer.”
    So don’t drink beer.
    The more ATW ladies who feel they could attend the better.
    Listen,
    Don’t make excuses for being female.
    Man is NOTHING without WOMAN.
    I would love to see the ATW ladies attend a summit.
    If you’re good enough to bear our children, you’re good enough to have a say.
    🙂

  24. With people in far flung locations in England, Scotland, Spain, Germany, Ireland north and south, New York, Pennsylvania, Texas, California and the west of Canada, and many with heavy family and or career obligations, it is unlikely that there will be a grand summit with most attending.

    I think that the gatherings to date have been really good, and that the future ones will continue to be small gatherings, some of them taking advantage of the fact that folks are passing through London, Belfast or New York. Small isn’t bad.

  25. “Colm is English. ”
    Correction.
    Colm was BORN in England.
    Follow my reasoning.

    Is a child born of English parents in India, Indian or English??
    Do we take our identity from our parents or our birthplace?

  26. Phantom,
    No small isn’t bad.
    On the other hand, if we could offer a venue far enough in advance that the majority could attend, is that bad or unattainable?
    Heck, as an Englishman I am more than willing to put you guys first.
    Why put problems in the way?

  27. Agit8ed

    No need for correction. I am English. I will define my identity not anyone else.

  28. Colm,
    You are not helping.
    I am trying to find an affordable venue.
    You are being huffy about your identity.
    Your parents were Irish.
    I want an ATW summit with an Irish bias.
    How are you helping me achieve that?

  29. Agitated

    Colm is English because he was born in England and considers himself to be so.

    As for the rest you aren’t making any sence. Whatever you are trying to do doesn’t justify you demanding that anyone help you or shut up.

    As to the specifics of what you are planning, why are you trying to arrange for an Irush venue in London? Why would anyone be looking for Irishness in London? Especially anyone coming from Northern Ireland or the ROI and even more especially, if they don’t consider themselves Irish ( or couldn’t care less about their Irishness).

  30. Aileen,
    I’m NOT trying for a venue In London.
    As an ENglishman I am trying to show willing and provide a starting point.
    All you are doing is carp.

  31. wish I could have been there, looks like you had a good time.

  32. PS,
    So you believe a baby born of English parents in India, is Indian??
    Before you say anything else, answer that.

  33. I aim to join you for one of the future “summits”, the Crown Bar is a great place for them.

  34. Agi

    I’ll carp if I bloody well want to!

    If you’re not trying for a venue in London why are you contacting the London Irish Centre?

    A baby born and brought up in India is Indian ESPECIALLY if he considers himself to be Indian.

  35. Okay Daithio,
    Are you able to make enquiries? It may be that there are community centres or churches around that could put up maybe thirty of us for a couple of nights?
    Or else I could phone the Crown direct.
    In fact I’ll do that now.
    Sorry if I’m treading on any Irish corns…. 😉

  36. “I want an ATW summit with an Irish bias.”

    Why ? There is no point to that. It’s stupid. A meet up should be for anyone who wants to and can attend. You’re making too much of a big deal about this.

  37. Right,
    What can you do?
    I phoned up the Crown belfast, and found myself talking to a Polish girl with an “Northern Irish” accent who told me that there is a motel in front of the Crown, but she doesn’t know how much they charge a night….
    Bang! goes another illusion.

  38. I’ll carp if I bloody well want to!
    If you’re not trying for a venue in London why are you contacting the London Irish Centre?
    A baby born and brought up in India is Indian ESPECIALLY if he considers himself to be Indian.”
    You’re a new born BABY, and you have enough SENSE/DEVELOPMENT to know that you want to be Indian??!
    Mercy.

    Aileen,
    You are not reading my posts on the subject, you are reacting to what you THINK they’re saying.

  39. Why ? There is no point to that. It’s stupid. A meet up should be for anyone who wants to and can attend. You’re making too much of a big deal about this.’

    No I ain’t, Colm.
    I am simply recognising that most of the people who post on ATW are Irish, or have Irish connections.
    You telling me that the “Crown Three” weren’t Northern/Southern Irish ??!

    So go ahead and try for another venue.
    I really don’t care, i would just like to get together.
    If you’re THAT sensitive about the Ir**h word, I’ll convert.. 🙂

  40. PS.
    I thought all this stuff was mickey taking, not fact… 🙂
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8Y2SSKxZHY

  41. Great night last night lads. Seimi and David bothe deserve thanks, (and possibly a medal), for listening to my incessant ramblings. Suffice to say that the world’s problems were solved, pre-conceptions were changed along with idealogies, (your Communist Party of Ireland application has been forwarded to the relevant authority David), and great craic was had by all.

    There was a fair amount of gossip,I hope that a certain UUP member didn’t have any ears nearby 🙂 , and or gracious host explained what fine men and women the ATW contributors he has met in the flesh are.

    David explained last night that his dream would be to have an international ATW summit with alll various nationalities involved. What a great idea to aspire to!! In the context of the next beer summit I’d love to make it but it’s largely dependant of time and location so, time and location permitting, in the immortal words of Shane MacGowan:

    “You name me a street and I’ll name you a bar
    And I’ll walk right through hell just to buy you a jar”

    Thanks a million folks!

  42. BTW, one of those songs above is the best song ever written in musical history David. 😉

  43. Pauly,
    So when the Clan El Agitado do our Camino d’Santiago walk in a couple of years time, you will be able to help out with accommodation and bull baiting?!

  44. It’ll be my pleasure Agi, minus the bull baiting.

    There is a motel in front of the Crown, but she doesn’t know how much they charge a night….
    Bang! goes another illusion

    It’s actually a hotel Agi and, bearing the hotel in mind, you have no idea how much black humor your above quote contains.

  45. Pauly,
    Exactly, I don’t!
    Because I have never attacked or hurt anyone simply for being different to me.

    Heck, I started out in life with eczema and asthma. You think I had any room to discriminate?

    Sorry guys, but an ATW summit for as many as can attend sounded great to me. and as an Englishman looking for a venue in London, I start with what I know.
    Then I get” wannabe English men and Irish coulleens” ripping my arse out because I make enquiries for something Irish…

    The problem is that some people don’t read the posts, they look for key words instead.. 🙂

  46. The Europa hotel?

    Which used to be bombed quite regularly in the bad old days?

    I stayed there. It’s good.

  47. Because I have never attacked or hurt anyone simply for being different to me

    I’m sure that’s right Agi but I don’t see it’s relevance to my black humor point.

    I was referring to your “Bang! goes another illusion” and the Europa hotel being the most bombed hotel in Europe.

    http://www.belfasthistory.net/europa_hotel.html

  48. Paul,
    thanks.
    Still doesn’t mean anything to me.
    Here’s the thing,
    I am saying I would like to meet ATWers.
    I make enquiries here in England.
    I mention my village but lack of entertainment.
    I jump to Kilburn as being the only Irish area I know in London.
    As a starting point I make enquiries at the London Irish Centre.
    They say they’ll get back to me.
    I phone up the Crown where you met with Seimi and David.
    I get answered by a Polish girl with an Irish accent..

    Then instead of help or encouragement I get criticism…

    I am now beginning to see the similarities between Irish and Jewish people. 🙂

  49. Calm down Agi, I can’t see any criticism merely a bit of tongue in cheek ribbing which has snowballed a bit.

    You’re in danger of becoming a stereotyped cranky English pensioner caricature. 😉

  50. Pauly,
    show me where the support is and I’ll gladly take the caricature.
    If I believe in something I do it.
    That’s how I did thirteen years of voluntary work and five as a town councillor.
    I enjoy a laugh and a ribbing as much as the next man,
    but only if I respect the leg pullers in the first place..

  51. I love seeing photos of the regulars!

    The men are always so much better looking than imagined, although somewhat shorter (except for Phantom, he’s a giant).

    Hostel? Ugh.

  52. Hiya Daphne

    I am a giant too —- but I was wearing dummy legs.

  53. You’re a giant among mere mortals, my dear David.

  54. I spent a lot of time in hostels in the backpacking days.

    Dublin, London, Edinburgh, Hamburg, Munich ( a huge tent there! ), Copenhagen, Stockholm ( on a ship! ), Oslo, and of course Amsterdam.

    Loved it, and every time, arrived in town without a reservation and figured it out. I bet lots of our Euro buddies have done the same.

  55. Just got back from a minor vacation in San Antonio. Stayed on the Riverwalk at La Mansion, so gorgeous…but I was shocked by how fat everyone was, not a little overweight by ten or twenty pounds, but completely obese – huge, waddling, breaking the scales, grotesque tourists. Mountains of sweating flesh everywhere you turned.

    Such a beautiful place filled with so many ugly people. I actually noticed the normal sized/slim people because they were so rare. What a shame.

  56. Agitated

    I was reading your ruddy comments and responding exactly to what they were saying. Don’t put your tendencies on to me. I am unfortunately reading the sh*** about “wannabe English”

    You need to read mine comments properly. I specifically said in response to your baby that if the baby was born AND BROUGHT UP in India is Indian especially if he considers himself to be so. So the baby in my comment has grown up!

  57. Daphne – David IS a giant! I’m 6ft 6, and look at how small I look next to him! 😉

    Paul is quite small though 🙂

    As for accomodation for a summit, I seem to remember David saying last night that he had a spare bed and a sofa at his gaff…?

    David – read the first 100 pages of the book so far. I’ll give you my measured critique just as soon as I find the lighter fluid 😉

    Agi – mate, you seem to have developed quite an obsession with Colm and his nationality. You’ve chased him across numerous threads and brought it up again and again. Colm’s English. English-born and raised, of Irish parents. He identifies himself as English. What’s so difficult to understand? Aileen is right. A baby born and brought up in any country, is a national of that country. They may also enjoy the luxury of dual nationality because of their parent’s, but they are first and foremost national’s of their birth country. Which is why David, for example, is Irish 😉

    Phantom – I’ve stayed in hostels all over Ireland, not so many anywhere else. They have varied from lovely, clean, fun places – Galway and Glencolumkille, Donegal for example – to really horrible, cold, unfriendly and potentially dangerous places – Dublin and Limerick. Were there ever to be a large gathering of ATW regulars at a summit in Belfast, a hostel would not be the place to accomodate them. There are however plenty of reasonably priced B&Bs and small hotels. And David’s house, of course, though that’s a bit of a hike to get to after the pubs close 🙂

  58. Sorry I missed it, let’s do another before Christmas?

  59. Agitated is very rude and unnecessarily cruel to Colm.

  60. D

    Correct. It’s unprovoked, unfair, and it’s not just today.

    If there’s a more fair minded and even tempered person than Colm, I haven’t met him yet.

    Don’t get it.

  61. Right,
    I know days have passed since this thread, but I have been thinking about it and my actions, responses and the counter responses made by other commentators.

    First off,
    I really would have liked to attend a summit.
    I posted that the costs for such a short visit as this was -and the date changed anyway – would be too high..

    After this latest summit Seimi said on this thread,

    Seimi, on August 16th, 2012 at 9:52 am Said:

    “We talked about having another summit last night Agi. I’d love to meet more of the people from ATW (even you! ), but the problem would be location.”

    So I thought the problem here is we have no baseline to work to. We need to start somewhere with a costing and accommodation that all the people who would like to attend could afford.

    So I made enquiries.
    I phoned up.
    I googled and I made enquiries.
    I contacted The Crown.
    I passed my phone number on to Seimi in the hopes that we could compare notes and perhaps work together, so that David could be left to get on with his stuff.
    (Seimi still hasn’t contacted me)

    Then some of you got your knickers twisted because I contacted the Irish Centre in London.
    Some of you got offended because I was thinking of an Irish venue because I had (obviously wrongly) assumed that most of you had Irish connections of some sort.

    Then in a light hearted moment I mentioned about ,

    “Probably around thirty people (if the Irish Yanks can stop bragging and put their money where their mouths are, and get on board.”

    by which I meant Phantom as a well seasoned traveller, might also have some ideas about how as many as possible ATWers from anywhere might be able to attend
    -which was why I suggested three days…..

    Anyway, Phantom got the wrong end of the stick, and I found that instead of helpful suggestions or cautionary words of advice,
    some decided that the REAL issue was that I was attacking Colm’s NATIONALITY, and getting in touch with THE IRISH CENTRE LONDON!!

    (Like I would know whether that was a smart idea or not…)

    I knew that London,and Kilburn in particular had/has a large Irish community,
    (though God knows how they manage to put up with us insufferable English.)

    So I thought that London might be a reasonable venue for a summit if it could be done cheaply..

    I didn’t understand Colm’s comment about
    “As oppose to the London Irish centre in Madrid ?”

    no matter how many smiley faces he included.

    All I know is that I was trying to be helpful by making enquiries; and met with negativity and sidelines about nationality..

    In fact Paul McMahons was the only one who really tried to lighten things up; but to be honest, by then I was fed up.

    Those who thought I was being really “really horrible and nasty” to Colm
    (Daphne/Aileen),

    ought to reflect on the fact that if either of you looking back over my postings, you will never see me being

    “really horrible and nasty” to him.

    I have always treated Colm with respect and tried to understand his point of view. In fact I think I was also the first one to offer condolences over his parents’ illnesses and subsequent demise.

    There are others here who I have on occasion either apologised to, or enquired after; if they have been unwell or not posted for a while….
    There are yet others who I have complimented on their writing style or acknowledged their greater knowledge on a subject.

    So,
    Although I would still love to see the Emerald Isle both North and South: I will do so without the unique benefits that ATW contributors might have brought, and that your opinions on various issues are as flawed and prejudiced as the rest of us.
    🙂

  62. lol

    Colm got it right. Agit has lost his marbles!!

  63. Oh, and I’m glad you three had a nice evening in Belfast. Laughed at David assuming the praying pose! 🙂

  64. Petr Tarasov,
    alias Malcom Smithers,
    Explain why Agit has lost his marbles?

  65. Why bother? Your comments do that quite well all by themselves, Monty Burns. 🙂

  66. Why bother? Your comments do that quite well all by themselves, Monty Burns. ”
    Ah right!
    And there’s me thinking you were being both sensible and mindful of your great commitment to a (Communist) view of humanity…

  67. Petr,
    Come on man, speak up!
    Agit has lost his marbles because…

    And you are showing your love and faith in (a potential Communist) humanity by….???
    Or are you simply trying to score points?

  68. Guys

    The three wise men had a good time in one of the best pubs anywhere.

    I wish all well, and I’d like to leave it at that.

  69. Dead right, Phantom. *swats away the fly* lol

    The Crown is a fine pub. Perhaps more of us can meet there one day. That would be great.

  70. Again, I may be in the area in September, or later in 2012, and notice will be given.

  71. Yep.
    Let’s leave it at that.

    The Petr poodle yaps his approval.
    The (Democrat) ex service man who agonises over issues of justice and fair play, is embarrassed because I return to an issue where I tried to help organise a future all inclusive summit, and cannot bring himself to admit he misunderstood my intentions…
    The men so proud of their (irish) roots and heritage close ranks..

    Yep,
    let’s leave it at that.

  72. A good row ahould not be left to die – it should be resucitated and the cinders prodded back into a roaring flame 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂

  73. Hey you all, leave Mr. Agit8ed be!!! He was trying to do something nice.

  74. Not just a good row Colm, a row in which I am involved and abused, and which I shall not let go of until I get chucked off the site!
    As long as it’s clear why I get chucked off I don’t mind.
    Instead of showing off your smiley skills, why not get down to showing where my intentions to help organise a future summit were wrong?

  75. “Hey you all, leave Mr. Agit8ed be!!! He was trying to do something nice.”

    Indeed I was Mairin2,
    And again I say that the idea of a summit to which as many as possible could both afford and attend was what I wanted to do.
    Now I am simply pissed off. 🙂

  76. Oh dear, I seemed to have fanned the dying embers succesfully !

    Calm down agit , or never mind being chucked of ATW, I will chuck you out of MY ENGLAND 🙂

    PS – I do owe you one explanation

    My comment ‘as oppose to the London Irish Centre in Madrid’ was just a jokey response to your mention of the “London Irish Centre in London” – a dig at your superfluous use of the word London twice. Now d’ya gettit ?

  77. I propose a summit at Colm’s local pub and at his expense.

    Fully catered and open bar all night long.

    There, settled.

  78. I’ll buy a round of beer if anyone visits Santa Monica. Its always sunny and warm in January, just so you know.

  79. Colm,
    No. I was probably too overwhelmed by the offers of help and constructive criticism to notice the two Londons..
    Anyway Colm, as a fellow countryman who was content to let the girls fly to your defence in the face of my “really nasty and really unkind” attacks on your nationality, thanks for your support. It was appreciated.

    Phantom.

    Yep,
    If that assuages your delicate sense of justice and fair play,
    let’s leave it at that.
    I know I will.

  80. Agit

    I didn’t notice any “really nasty and really unkind” attacks by you on me at all – you just got my nationality wrong that’s all. No need to make a mountain out of a molehill.

  81. “I didn’t notice any “really nasty and really unkind” attacks by you on me at all..”

    Aah,
    but the girls did, and you like the true Englishman you are, did nothing to correct them.
    Perhaps you were too busy figuring out how many smileys to use in your next posting to notice..
    But as I say, Thanks for your support my fellow Englishman…

  82. NY area participants – let me know if there is any interest in a NYC mini summit. I need someone else to help me gang up on that mahons.

  83. Agit8ed

    You are impossible. Who are these ‘girls’ you are on about. Are you living in a fantasy world. I have no idea what you are on about.

  84. He is determined to be insulted.

    You can’t stop him.

  85. Only on ATW: A fight about nothing.

  86. The ” Seinfeld ” of websites.

    Larry David would be proud!

  87. ‘(Seimi still hasn’t contacted me)’

    Sorry, Agi. Been really busy. I will call you soon though.

  88. Seimi

    You’ll regret it 😉

  89. “You are impossible. Who are these ‘girls’ you are on about. Are you living in a fantasy world. I have no idea what you are on about.”

    Aileen, on August 16th, 2012 at 3:04 pm Said:
    Agitated
    Colm is English because he was born in England and considers himself to be so.
    As for the rest you aren’t making any sence. Whatever you are trying to do doesn’t justify you demanding that anyone help you or shut up.
    As to the specifics of what you are planning, why are you trying to arrange for an Irush venue in London? Why would anyone be looking for Irishness in London? Especially anyone coming from Northern Ireland or the ROI and even more especially, if they don’t consider themselves Irish ( or couldn’t care less about their Irishness).

    Daphne, on August 17th, 2012 at 12:34 am Said:
    Agitated is very rude and unnecessarily cruel to Colm.

    The girls are entitled to say what they want in your defence Colm. But it’s on this thread, not a fantasy one.
    Anyway, I have made my point. I think some of you were too quick to wade in with the negatives and accusations. I took offence as I was only trying to help. very thin skinned of me I know. Constructive criticism is always helpful, but negative stuff brings out the worst in me.
    However, I think some of you could have pointed out that perhaps what I was suggesting was either too much, or too biased in favour of an Irish flavour for your delicate, cultural sensitivities.

    Forthwith, regarding a future summit I will only offer help or assistance if asked.
    On balance I figure I can meet the same kind of folk anywhere, so the only added interest would be the Irish accents, the music and the historical stuff.
    But then there are books on that as well.

  90. Agit8ed

    Now I understand. I haven’t read all the comments on this thread and missed some of those remarks and I certainly do not expect or ask anyone to defend me. If others choose to add their views to a debate I am not going to tell them not to.

    THE END

  91. Wot?
    No smilies? 🙂
    Not even a frownie ? 🙁

    That’s it?
    THE END??

    Cool.

  92. Of course I realise it’s not over until the fat lady sings –

    Go on, Agit, sing for us 🙂 😉 🙂

  93. hahah Agit, you are some eejit!

  94. “hahah Agit, you are some eejit!”

    yapped the little poodle.

  95. Oh boy!
    What tosh!

    Agi has the nerve to complain about negative stuff on a thread where he has told someone to “help or shut up”.
    That along with your continuing wannabe/pseudo English comments are what annoyed me, not your contacting the Irish centre.

  96. Aileen

    Don’t prove the old man now. He’s having a confusing day again. As can be seen by his daft comments on other threads today.

  97. Oops ‘prove’ should read ‘provoke’ 🙂

  98. Catching eh Colm? 😉

  99. Oh good.

    The thread is still alive.

  100. Hey Aileen,
    And you did what?
    Offered what in the way of helpful advice towards organising a summit?
    Apart from having a go at me that is.
    If I get up your nose say so, woman!
    Don’t criticise me from the sidelines for trying to help!

    You think it was easy for me to get in touch with the Crown in Belfast – a city I don’t even know – to try and arrange accommodation?
    You think me getting in touch with the Irish Centre in London was wrong?
    What the heck have you or anyone else on this site done apart from carp?

    Still, at least you can blame it all on the English…..
    Like i could care.

  101. Agi

    Why should I offer to help?

    I was not critising you for trying to help you egit! I was criticising you for telling someone to “help or shut up” and FI your “wannabe English” comments. Which I made clear many times and not from the sidelines!

    What do you mean that I think it was easy for you to…. Why would you expect that I would think about it at all?

    As for what I have done, I am under no obligation to do anything. Do you think that because you made a few phone calls, that gives you a free pass to tell people to “help or shut up”?

    I don’t blame your rudeness or stupidity on the English, I blame it on you!

  102. “Agit8ed, on August 16th, 2012 at 1:25 pm Said:
    Does not compute.
    Either you help me or you throw unhelpful Irish shit from the sidelines..
    I want a venue preferably in Northern Ireland or Southern Ireland, at the cheapest possible price for accommodation -even community centres- for two evening meals and live entertainment (preferably including the Fureys) and a room to meet/fight in.
    Probably around thirty people (if the Irish Yanks can stop bragging and put their money where their mouths are, and get on board.
    Now either you help me or you shut up.”

    Read it again Aileen.
    Or not.
    In there you will see a mixture of humour and desperation!
    In other words I really wanted help, not an argument about whether Colm was entitled to call himself English or not..

    ““I have contacted the London Irish centre in London…,
    As oppose to the London Irish centre in Madrid ? ”

    Now at the time of ringing and talking and explaining to people in Northern Ireland and London, I didn’t see the funny side of Colm’s remark.
    So shoot me!
    Whatever people on this site say (unless they are lying through their teeth) most are either Irish North or South – or have roots in Ireland -North or South.
    I am English through and through.
    I would have like d to have attended a summit and met as many of you ATWers as possible.
    So I tried to do something towards that…

  103. Agi

    You didn’t get Colm’s joke. That was not the problem. The problem was you saying “help me or shut up”.

    Why do you suppose that because you want help, it trumps other people’s wants to comment on what they want to or that it is ok to demand it?

  104. Aileen,
    I have no wish to fall out with someone I respect.
    Look again..
    Now at the time of ringing and talking and explaining to people in Northern Ireland and London, I didn’t see the funny side of Colm’s remark.
    So shoot me!
    I subsequently saw what he saw, but at the time I didn’t. I just thought he was being unhelpful, so I said,
    Now either you help me or you shut up.

    And it STILL ain’t the point!
    It’s about the LACK of help or advice, not the funny asides…
    No one since has done anything towards organising something!
    Wasted time and energy into castigating me, yes.
    But actually taken the initiative to make enquiries – No.
    Now the simplest thing in the world is to say,
    “I am not interested in attending a summit”
    Easy.

  105. Agi

    Why should your point have to be everyone else’s?

    There is FAR more obligation on us NOT to say “help me or shut up” than there is to help or to say that we are not interested as there is no obligation at all for the latter two.

    You tried to do something. That doesn’t give you the right to demand help or a round of applause. If you hadn’t come out with the “help me or shut up” comment, you might have got some.

  106. 105 comments to date

    What are the odds we get to 150?

  107. Aileen,
    I never SAID my point should be everyone else’s!
    How many times do I have to say this?!
    I
    WOULD have liked to attend an ATW summit.
    I thought more people MIGHT come if they had an idea of costs and accommodation.
    So I started by making some enquiries..
    What part of that is difficult to understand??

  108. Agi

    I do understand. None of that explains your behaviour on ths thread.

  109. I am doing my best to get to 150 🙂

  110. But it is I who will create 110

  111. I just want to keep Agit8ed, agitated 😉

  112. Don’t we need to introduce the “B” word 😉

  113. The B word ?. Banned ? Boring ? Bloody-minded ?

  114. B as in Belfast

    And Brooklyn

    B is a good thing

  115. Don’t tell me you forget the Burqa marathon!

  116. Ah yes ‘Ban the Burqa’ – ATW’s longest running thread ever. How could I forget.

  117. Was that really the longest? I’m sure Colm remembers that guy from long ago with the very peculiar Biblical interpretations (I mean, even for here) who started a thread that was surely a contender.

  118. I recommend that Allan review the entire history of ATW so as to ascertain which thread was the longest

  119. Frank

    Now you’ve got me. That’s a bit cryptic. Give me a bit more of a clue .

  120. ‘ with the very peculiar Biblical interpretations (I mean, even for here)’

    More peculiar than:

    *Eat parts of my actual body and drink my actual blood

    *Let’s cut part of your genitals off

    *It’s ok to have intercourse with children

    *You will spend all eternity in a pit of fire if you don’t love me and also give me your money

    ?