Speaks for itself
By The Troll On August 18th, 2012‘BROTHERHOOD’ STARTS CRUCIFIXIONS
Opponents of Egypt’s Muslim president executed ‘naked on trees’
The Arab Spring takeover of Egypt by the Muslim Brotherhood has run amok, with reports from several different media agencies that the radical Muslims have begun crucifying opponents of newly installed President Mohammed Morsi.
Middle East media confirm that during a recent rampage, Muslim Brotherhood operatives “crucified those opposing Egyptian President Muhammad Morsi naked on trees in front of the presidential palace while abusing others.”
Raymond Ibrahim, a fellow with the Middle East Forum and the Investigative Project on Terrorism, said the crucifixions are the product of who the Middle Eastern media call “partisans.”
“Arabic media call them ‘supporters,’ ‘followers’ and ‘partisans’ of the Muslim Brotherhood,” Ibraham said.
Ibrahim also says the victims can be anyone, including Egyptian Christians.
“It’s anyone who is resisting the new government,” Ibrahim said. “In this particular case, the people attacked and crucified were secular protesters upset because of Morsi’s hostile campaign against the media, especially of Tawfik Okasha, who was constantly exposing him on his station, until Morsi shut him down.”
Ibrahim said extra brutality is reserved for Christians, but the crucifixions are because of Islamic doctrine and are required by the Quran. The time and other details about the crucifixions were not readily available.
It does speak for itself, but I would like to hear from those who ranted and raved how horrible it was for Egyptians before the Joyful Arab Spring. Somehow I don’t recall people being nailed naked to the walls in a public square.
Troll,
one could be trite and say it probably took place behind locked doors, but you’re right. Things are really hotting up out there.
Anyone want to suggest it as a new venue for the PussyRiot to pull a stunt?
You’d be well within your rights…
If this is true and it could be because people can be vile, then it is horrible. Don’t buy the “required by the Quran” bit any more than stoning adulterers is required by the Bible.
yeah I am sure very nasty things did happen behind closed doors, I’m sure there will be those that point that out, but come on crucifixions in front of the Palace…..
Will that be in this years tourism guide?
the difference Aileen is Christian society has advanced over the past 2000 years while Islamic society has stayed right where it was.
Even if these events are true does not mean that the Egyptian people were wrong to overthrow Mubarak.
yes the brotherhood is much better for all.
Colm everyone wants every society to be free, but what is happening in the ME is not the birth of freedom.
It is a very dubious story. Not a fan of the Muslim Brotherhood, but lets see a little more confirmation other than the wack sites before we accept this as gospel.
The story smells like agitprop to me. It might have happened, but I’d expect a bunch of people being crucified in the middle of Cairo to attract a few mainstream headlines.
The story smells like agitprop to me. It might have happened, but I’d expect a bunch of people being crucified in the middle of Cairo to attract a few mainstream headlines.
Pete,
there were probably those who thought the same about “Cristelnacht” and found it more palatable to go on believing it was an agitprop story than face the alternative..
As you say, time will tell.
Agitated
When you’re quoting someone else could you show that it is a quote please. Otherwise it makes it hard to understand your comment as a whole. ” …” would do
some it seems then the general consensus is until the bodies are laid at your feet or on the evening news on the BBC or NBC the majority would rather follow that river that runs through egypt De-nile
Typical
Agit8ed -
“there were probably those who thought the same about “Cristelnacht” and found it more palatable to go on believing it was an agitprop story than face the alternative.”
No.
There was an immediate and total revulsion to Kristallnacht from around the world. Its result was a severe deterioration of international relations with Germany.
you know there are many things I find disgusting in the world. I don’t know why I find myself surprised about the reaction I get from some of you across the pond on topics like this.
Then I remember that even though I am speaking with Irish and English people for the most part, you are still Europeans. and I remember that these things represent a part of your attitude.
Those statements and attitudes also speak volumes.
In so many ways, we Americans stand alone in the world, and for this I am grateful. Grateful for our distance, grateful for our Military strength, grateful that even though we share so much in common, that there are vast voids in the underlying fabric of who you and we are.
Troll
Not believing everything you hear regardless of source is sensible.
People tend to believe what suits their political biases. The actual strength of evidence is secondary.
“People tend to believe what suits their political biases. The actual strength of evidence is secondary.”
I think it is more a case of having asymmetric standards of evidence for things people wish were true vs things they wish weren’t true.
Pretty much everybody does this to some extent but the conspiracy nuts are extreme cases (where the merest suggestion is taken to demonstrate some fantastic conspiracy, while on the other hand no amount of documentary evidence or videotape is enough to support the ‘official narrative’).
Colm
I find it difficult to fathom how many people (generally neurotypicals
), base their reasoning or beliefs on.
It seems reasonable though that a lot of your political bais comes from your experience. So things that you hear that come into the “more of the same” category aren’t hard to believe. Those that go against that make you want to know more so you can better test your algorithm. The past reliability of the source is also a factor and your vie if that source will also include how much you trust it’s ability to interpret the information it received.
if any of you ever did any research on things and traced them back to original sources, you would find, The first place these stories came from were arabic egyptian news agencies, but research is not anyones strong point is it?
and it’s very telling that no one even bothered to comment about the Bulgarian prime minister, or Erato Kozakou-Marcoullis
Troll
And since when did you regard Arabic/Egyptian news agencies as the standard bearers of truth and reliability ?
So in this day of internet, videocameras, phones with cameras we have no photographic evidence of this type of incident taking place in a public square? Sure.
I don’t but others on this site credit them more than the western press. My point is the story originated from Egypt by Egyptians.
It’s amusing that people think the act of crucifixion to be something that would not occur or be carried out by people that murder their daughters for honor, stone people in the public square, and tie bombs to their children and send them for bus rides.
Crucifixion is right inline with their cultural behavior.
if you speak arabic the names of the original sources are right there, plus the fact that it was confirmed by sky news, it maybe that the fact that it started because of a paper that was opposed to morsi was destroyed and it’s owner persecuted could have a little something to do with the fear of putting up pictures.
But hell after just watching people get nailed naked to a tree for being non religious reporters and opposing morsi I’m sure you would just flip them the bird and print away.
If people were crucified, I’m sure that you’ll have no problem coming up with a few photos of the incidents.
You struggle so much with the English language, and now you’re speaking with authority about things printed in Arabic?
Phantom your a real ass this morning aren’t you?
I’ll tell you what you walk upto the nice Islamist with the hammer and spikes in his hands tell him say cheese and take his picture.
I’ll give you the camera, and the air fare. They’re only killing reporters not tourists, you’ve got nothing to worry about.