Senator Feinstein…. foaming at the mouth
By The Troll On December 28th, 2012Her new legislation that will save us all from the evil of guns. Lets give her proposal a look see. Pay attention now.
Summary of 2013 legislation
Following is a summary of the 2013 legislation:
- Bans the sale, transfer, importation, or manufacturing of:
- 120 specifically-named firearms;
- Certain other semiautomatic rifles, handguns, shotguns that can accept a detachable magazine and have one or more military characteristics; and
- Semiautomatic rifles and handguns with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds.
- Strengthens the 1994 Assault Weapons Banand various state bans by:
- Moving from a 2-characteristic test to a 1-characteristic test;
- Eliminating the easy-to-remove bayonet mounts and flash suppressors from the characteristics test; and
- Banning firearms with “thumbhole stocks” and “bullet buttons” to address attempts to “work around” prior bans.
- Bans large-capacity ammunition feeding devices capable of accepting more than 10 rounds.
- Protects legitimate hunters and the rights of existing gun owners by:
- Grandfathering weapons legally possessed on the date of enactment;
- Exempting over 900 specifically-named weapons used for hunting or sporting purposes; and
- Exempting antique, manually-operated, and permanently disabled weapons.
- Requires that grandfathered weapons be registered under the National Firearms Act, to include:
- Background check of owner and any transferee;
- Type and serial number of the firearm;
- Positive identification, including photograph and fingerprint;
- Certification from local law enforcement of identity and that possession would not violate State or local law; and
- Dedicated funding for ATF to implement registration.
The first line highlighted describes 99.9% of all firearms. The only exceptions that fall outside this broad language are Muzzle loader Firearms. Every other firearm in existence falls into this wording.
Now lets look at how the sweet nice grandmother protects all “legitimate” holders of Firearms. If you have ANY Firearm in your possession, you can only keep the ones that she approves, gee isn’t that sweet.
This is the part I like, If you keep anything you’re subject to this:
Requires that grandfathered weapons be registered under the National Firearms Act, to include:
- Background check of owner and any transferee;
- Type and serial number of the firearm;
- Positive identification, including photograph and fingerprint;
- Certification from local law enforcement of identity and that possession would not violate State or local law;
I restate and re-highlight that to drive it home. EVERY FIREARM MUST BE REGISTERED AND EVERY OWNER PHOTOGRAPHED AND FINGER PRINTED.
This loony bitch will start a Civil War. She also in the very last line empowers and pays for the jackboots to come to your house. Dedicated funding for ATF to implement registration. So the ATF is going to do what to enforce registration, photographing and fingerprinting of 80 MILLION Law Abiding Americans?
Troll, and you believe that this ‘Looney bitch’ came up with all this, all by herself do you.
Troll,
I would like to agree with you, but I can’t.
I doubt very much that when the founding fathers codified the right to bear arms, they never had in mind the Afro/Hispanic/Latino/Muslim/Asian/Anglo American drug dealing/ gun running/buck chasing/ cynical political/outsourcing/porno capitalist America of today….
I also doubt very much that when the founding fathers codified the right to bear arms they weren’t thinking about machine guns.
Surely the real issue here is why the politic views and social constructs of men living in 18th century America in a culture where there was still huge amounts of unsettled land and little or no genuine national organised law and administration , should remain so sacrosanct as a policy dictat in the vastly different world of 21st century USA.
Because a large number of Americans are indoctrinated by their education system to think so.
There’s nothing wrong with admiring and adhering to much of the Constitution which has served the US well, but it’s the mindset that views every word uttered by the Founding fathers as infallible and unalterable that I find baffling. They were men of their time and while they can be admired they are not Gods.
Agreed.
It seems to me
My personal reflection
Not meant as a definitive statement
or a point of potential conflict…
America was born out of refugees from European Christian conflict, shaped by men of integrity and Christian values which resulted in the most powerful economy, which though no longer Christian in intent and purpose, remained motivated and shaped by Christian ideals and built on a land rich in resources by men full of idealism/opportunism and a growing cynicism.
The original driving force is spent,industry is dying, the opportunities are running out.
Exploitation, wheeling and dealing and “quickbuckery” are now the only motivations holding together an increasingly disparate, multicultural USA.
Colm -
In a sense “politic views and social constructs of men living in 18th century” aren’t that important. The 2nd Amendment doesn’t confer any rights or liberties, not a single one. It simply recognises the prior and natural right to self defence and makes it immune from government. The 2nd Amendment could be struck off and that prior and natural right would still exist.
Seamus -
“I also doubt very much that when the founding fathers codified the right to bear arms they weren’t thinking about machine guns.”
Do you have one negative too many in there?
The right to keep and bear arms doesn’t refer to guns, it refers to “arms”, simply weapons of offence and defence, and in this they certainly envisioned a citizenry which is sufficiently well armed to put despotic government down.
Since automatic weapons existed in the 18th-Century and that they were in private hands (strewth, almost all weapons were in private hands) they would have been considered well within the remit of the 2nd Amendment.
The Founding Fathers failed badly by leaving slavery intact in 1776.
Troll Do you know anything about guns? Seriously anything?
EP
Pete Moore knows even less than Troll:
Since automatic weapons existed in the 18th-Century… they would have been considered well within the remit of the 2nd Amendment.
From Wiki:
“The world’s first automatic rifle was the Mexican Mondragón rifle and was designed by General Manuel Mondragón. He began work in 1882 and patented the weapon in 1887.”
Still, who needs facts when you’ve got opinions?
Peter -
I said “automatic weapons” existed, not “automatic rifles”. A rifle is a particular weapon with the particular characteristics.
The armed community of Americans has a mentality pretty much like Troll’s. Troll highlighted on this site the Fast ‘n’ Furious scandal by which the US government provided weapons purchased from American gun stores then free-issued them to Mexican drug gangs in the hope that these same gangs would cause death and mayhem in the US (and they did) with these weapons which could then be blamed on civilian-owned guns, and thereby generate momentum towards restriction and wider confiscation.
Now we have an atrocity in a school in Connecticut which had video surveillance and controlled-entry, and these are facts which I confirmed through checking – see links to source material in posts here:
http://www.atangledweb.org/?p=38355
None of the footage from the video surveillance system has been released and none has even been requested by the compliant ‘mainstream’ media. The great mass of Americans believes that ‘they wouldn’t do that’ yet Troll himself provided links to where ‘they did do that’. Multiple shooters are reported at all recent atrocities, yet they disappear to leave one ‘lone nut’, masked and clad in black.
Feinstein’s draft Bill has been sitting primed for action and it was only a matter of which piece-of-sh*t would be chaperoning it through Congress. If it fails this time, there’s always the ultimate hit in reserve, and I wouldn’t like to be Obama with all those white, Christian ‘gun nuts’ on the loose.
Pete Moore
Please prove your claim that “automatic weapons” existed before 1800.
Here you go.
There’s no way that Bill was drafted in the last few weeks, and there’s no way Feinstein drafted it. I doubt she’s even read it.
U.S. Constitution: Second Amendment A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Whose original intent was to ensure our Freedom against the Tyranny of the State. The PEOPLE shall be allowed to own and carry their guns so that if the POLITICIANS become a threat to our FREEDOMS the People can form Militias and over throw the Government by force if necessary. It has nothing to do with Hunters…. sport shooting or any other nonsense.
The nation was founded by men fleeing from the grasp of Tyranny and the right to bear arms not being infringed EVER by Government was to prevent TYRANNY
PERIOD.
This Bill I’m sure was not written by Her, just is being presented by her. It will also never see the light of day.
These idiots can’t pass an agreement on taxes do you think they’ll come to an agreement on something that will cause people to get shot?
There are 80 Million people that legally own firearms. The wording of this Bill would FORCE those 80 Million to be photographed and fingerprinted… I don’t think so
By the way, I see that Feinstein was born in San Francisco. How did she become Israeli?
Pete
Is there any evidence that the puckle gun was used in the US war of independence?
And where would you draw the line (if anywhere)? Eg. should US citizens be allowed to keep grenades and bazookas at home? To defend themselves against tyranny.
Peter -
No evidence for the Puckle Gun, but it doesn’t matter. Automatic weapons were well known by the late 18th Century.
“This is a collection of correspondence between Joseph Belton, a firearms inventor, and the Continental Congress in Philadelphia, in 1777. It contains descriptions of a modification that could be made to flintlock muskets to allow rapid firing of multiple shots with a single loading.”
That’s more than a decade before the 2nd Amendment was ratified.
Should US citizens be allowed to keep grenades and bazookas at home? Of course, as long as the keeping doesn’t infringe property rights. If you live on an isolated farm then go for it. If you live in an apartment beneath mine, then your box of grenades is a threat to my life and property, so you should not then be permitted to keep them.
The real question is why the government needs grenades and bazookas.
Phew! What a relief that assault rifles were cool with the pro-slavery Founding Fathers. Let the constitutionally-supported gun culture continue to prosper.
your an ass Peter.
Over half the founding fathers wanted to abolish slavery with the constitution, but to do so would have meant half the states mainly the Carolina’s wouldn’t have signed on and supported it.
The tact and line that you are touting is the same crap Elijah Mohamed and Calypso Louie fed the convicts and the illiterate. That’s the company you keep.
Interesting point in that Feinstein would have imposed on Americans that which she would not wish to impose on her fellow Israelis noting that, in Israel, guns are allowed to be owned privately by those (every Jew) who have done national service and are mentally stable.
http://www.jta.org/news/article/2012/07/24/3101546/despite-militarized-society-israels-strict-gun-laws-keep-civilian-violence-down
- Nedivi favors allowing private gun ownership with tight regulations, noting that armed civilians have used their guns to stop terrorists during attacks.
He said that gun massacres don’t occur in Israel because gun owners here undergo more comprehensive psychological screenings than do U.S. gun owners. (That rules out gangstas from da hood. then again, blacks don’t get to stay in Israel)
On how Feinstein can justify one set of rules for Americans and another for her fellow-Israelis, Douglas Reed wrote:
- This practice (the brothers Thoreau give glimpses of it in their books) was called “pilpulism.” It gives the key to a mystery which often baffles Gentiles: the agility with which Zionists are often able to justify, in themselves, precisely what they reproach in others. A polemist trained in pilpulism would have no difficulty in showing the Judaic law ordaining the enslavement of household Gentiles to be righteous and the Roman ban on the enslavement of Christians by Jewish masters to be “persecution”; the Judaic ban on intermarriage to be “voluntary separation” and any Gentile counter-ban to be “discrimination based in prejudice” (Dr. Kastein’s terms); a massacre of Arabs to be rightful under The Law and a massacre of Jews to be wrongful under any law. -
Troll
Thanks for that abuse. The Founding Fathers made their choice in 1776 and the price was paid in 1860-65, and ever since. But they are now seen as the ultimate wise men by right wing jerks. Like you.
Peter:
“Your an ass”
Peter
Your the one being abusive, you have no grasp on your own history let alone America’s
Long Live Hubris!
you should know my dear