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It’s All Greek to Me

By ATWadmin On December 7th, 2006

Auntie Beeb has discussed the issue in the context of Turkey’s attempts to join the European Union.  I wish to analyse it in a different way.  Because, as usual, the government of Cyprus is being totally unreasonable with regard to its stubborn attitude to the Turkish enclave in the North.  Whereas Turkey has given at least a verbal commitment to opening one port and one airport to traffic from the official Cypriot state, there is no reciprocation on easing the isolation of North Cyprus.

Turkish Cypriots were told that a positive referendum result on the island’s reunification would end their international isolation.  To this end they gave an overwhelming endorsement of the EU-sponsored plan back in the Spring of 2004.  Meanwhile, Greek Cypriots were rewarded with EU membership, even though they rejected the plan (even though they were the ones clamouring for a united island since 1974).  Fast forward to December 2006 and the isolation of North Cyprus is no nearer to being terminated now than it was when these disingenuous pledges were made three years ago.

In a typically obnoxious fashion, the Cypriot government has refused to allow Ercan Airport to be opened to direct international flights.  This effectively means that if I want to travel to Cyprus from, say, Manchester Airport, I can fly to Larnaca in the south in a little over 4 hours.  Ercan, a mere 30 miles away on the northern side of the Attila Line, involves a journey of 6.5 hours – inclusive of a 1-hour stop-over in either Antalya or Dalaman.  Why should I, and the thousands who now holiday in North Cyprus every year, have to be inconvenienced because of Greek Cypriot absolutism?  I don’t give a damn about Turkey.  What I do care about are the Turkish Cypriot people who have been treated abominably by the international community for far too long – not least because those ultimately to blame for the conditions which led to Turkey’s invasion thirty two years ago (the Greek Cypriot establishment) always get their own way.

38 Responses to “It’s All Greek to Me”

  1. The Greek Cypriots may be stubborn but from what little I know of the history of that region, it appears that Greeks always get turfed out when Turks are about.
    Moreover, I don’t want 90 million Turks in the EU.

  2. for those bullied from their homes by turk savages, whos ancestral land is being sold off to tourists and whos island is a key strategic defense point for civilisation, a cynical attempt to curry favour only in the pursuit of a reward will not cut much ice.
    the memories of the cruelty and wickedness of the turk are to deep. it will take a lot more than this.

    for such a stunch Ulster defender im surprised to hear you talk of people who are our friends in this way.

  3. Ah! – those poor old tourist’s…nothing must get in the way of their desire for evermore places to spoil. Sectarian issues mean nothing to them, in their desire to sully even more of this planet, after all, the sun in Northern Cyprus is bound to be different from the sun in the South…

    Aren’t tourists the ultimate pollution?

  4. Have you ever gone on holiday anywhere ernest ?

  5. the issue is that turkey stole peoples homes in an illegal invasion and are now selling that stolen proerty.

  6. Well said Andrew.

  7. Jaun,

    I agree with your analysis re: Turkey’s invasion of Cyprus, but, aren’t all invasions "illegal" by definition? For example, the English invasion of Ireland.

    BTW, I also think Andrew the Unionist is being totally consistent here. He always says that a larger country should be allowed to invade and occupy (forever) the northern part of a smaller nearby island.

  8. is it true irish americans tried to invade canada?

  9. Yes, they kidnapped Celine Dion and the Canadians paid a ransom on condition that they kept her 🙂

  10. We are talking Cyprus here; nothing to do with the situation on the island of Ireland.

    The Greek Cypriots attempted to unify the island with Greece, expressly going against the tri-partite agreement which established independence. They also used their own terrorist organisation (EOKA) to impose this constutitional arrangement upon a minority on the island who, rightly, refused to countenance that eventuality.

    Did I say ‘nothing to do with the situation on the island of Ireland’? How silly of me.

  11. Alan

    The United Kingdom does not invade or occupy any smaller island.

  12. Turkey should not be allowed to join the EU. It’s not a European country and its human rights record is highly suspect, even in recent years. For example, a writer was prosecuted recently for writing about the Armenian massacres, a genocide which is still officially denied by the Turkish state. And the control of the political secularists is slipping – it’s quite possible that it will become yet another fundamentalist islamic state in a few years.

    As for the Greek and Turkish Cypriots, it’s a case of Tweedledum and Tweedledee. I’ve been to Cyprus and wouldn’t be in a rush to return.

  13. Yes Alison they did indeed try to invade Canada – and as usual the PPs maintained their 100% failure rate 🙂

  14. <Q>And the control of the political secularists is slipping – it’s quite possible that it will become yet another fundamentalist islamic state in a few years.</Q>

    the best way to prevent that is to have Turkey within the EU.

  15. Colm,

    Indeed I have, and yes, I stand by my parting paragraph.

    I am sure you too, have seen British and German tourists behaving absolutely abominably. Cheap flights and cheap booze has taken a toll of many a town around the Med, Aya Napa, being one of them. Years ago Ibiza was a very attractive place, now it is a drug ridden hell hole.

  16. Ernest

    I know some tourists behave better than others, but ultimately we’re all tourists when abroad and we all do our little bit to ‘poluute’ wherever we go, with the conivance of the money making locals who may decry the spoiling of their picturesque home areas but who have ably assisted the transformation of their locales into tourist traps.

    But really holidaymakers complaining about how they can’t go to a place anymore as the touruists have ‘ruined ‘ it is like people driving their cars in a traffic jam and complaining about everyone else blocking the roads.

  17. "people driving their cars in a traffic jam and complaining about everyone else blocking the roads"

    Colm, I’m guilty of this every day!

    I take the point that letting Turkey join the EU may be the best way to preserve it as a secular state. However, I doubt if it would really make much difference to the head-bangers whether it was in the EU or not. They’ll not be content until it has 100% sharia law.

  18. Peter – they are at the moment quite few in number – and will have very little chance of expanding their influence if Turkey is within the EU. If Turkey is without, could be a very different story. Turkish Muslims smoke, drink and have a general outlook on life far removed from Sharia.

  19. Colm,

    Doesn’t mean we should encourage even more ‘pollution’, by changing ever more towns into ‘resorts’.

    It seems that Gordon Brown thinks that driving and cheap holidays are both too good for the huddled masses, and should be curtailed by whatever means necessary…he must have overheard Peter and I, having a moan…

    I would also distinguish between tourists and holiday makers. The former smacks of a slightly more responsible type of visitor, while the latter brings visions of hordes of loud-mouthed, sunburnt, football shirt clad yobboes. Blackpool has holidaymakers, Monaco has tourists…

  20. The 20th century history between the Greeks and Turks is pretty unpleasant and atrocities have occurred on both sides, but I don’t see why it is only the Turks who get the blame in Cyprus when you consider the behaviour of the Greeks which Andrew outlined above.

  21. I agree Ross.

  22. So a man in Yorkshire randomly decides to to support a minority, backed up by an artificially created, immoral border which skews true democracy on the island??????

    Whats that you say??? – He also supports the Turkish Cypriots???

    At least he’s consistent.

  23. Madradin Ruad (Little Red B*tch in the English language) said:

    "and as usual the PPs maintained their 100% failure rate"

    So esatablishing the Irish Republic – breaking away from the British empire at it’s Zenith – inspiring the rest like india etc to do the same, – stripping the then UK of 30% of it’s then territory – where thay all failures???


    What rubbish the old man does speak. No doubt he will real off other irrelevant facts raher than addressing those.

    Michael Collins said it would be a miracle if we had freed 23 counties (minus Ulster’s 9) in fact we freed 26 leaving the other six to decline. Not bad going.

    100% – lol – be careful with your words little red b*tch… !

  24. Oh dear – another plastic returns 🙂

    <Q>where thay all failures</Q>

    Try in English 🙂

  25. "Oh dear – another plastic returns 🙂

    <Q>where thay all failures</Q>

    Try in English"

    thats funny – just like the guy said – avoiding admitting he was wrong.

    the independance of 26 counties mad – come on, admit it, that was not a failure , so you saying 100% was wrong.

    Admit it.

  26. the UK didn’t loose that much territory surely. Thats a third. Eire is not that big.

  27. Iain – let’s look at the claims made by "D4"…
    That the semi-independence inspired India and the rest to do the same ?

    The INC must have been psychic – They were founded more than 30 years before the Easter Fiasco 🙂

    The All India Muslim League ? A decade before 1916 😉

    When did India and pakistan acheive Independence ? 1947 – Burma and Ceylon ? 1948.

    When did only a part of Ireland declare a proper republic and quit the Commonwealth ? 1949….. of course that leads into the Chapel Gate election in the north.

    Was the setting up of the free state a victory ? Britain did rather nicely out of it – Kept the industial base of the North and shed the horribly expensive South…but kept the naval bases until the 30s …and had the free state as a cheap source of food and cheap labour. Did the free state prosper ? Hardly – it had to cut the Old age pension,it’s emigration rates rose, it formed a backward and repressive state, had a vicious civil war and has had to prostitute itself to claw it’s way out of the deep hole it dug for itself….

    What a Success !

    An "Irish Success" in the same vein as the "Irish Bull" Joyce wrote about 😉

  28. Is it me or are D4 and Iain confusing the failed Fenian invasions of Canada (which were largely repulsed by lightly armed Canadian militia) in the 1860s and the 1916 uprising?

    It is arguable that the attacks on Canada did lead to the creation of an independent nation, but that nation is Canada not Eire.

  29. You seem to know alot about the Republic mad. Quite a lot – watching closely are we?

  30. Ross – he,she or they are responding rather inaccurately to the point I made that the Plastics have a 100% failure rate by trying to claim that the failure of Ireland to achieve a 32 county Independent state in the 20th century counts as a success for Irish-America …. It’s the best they can do 🙂

  31. <Q>You seem to know alot about the Republic mad.</Q>

    Glad to see you accept my analysis of the green-banana republic D4.

  32. Plastics have a 100% failure rate by trying to claim that the failure of Ireland to achieve a 32 county Independent state in the 20th century counts as a success for Irish-Americ

    you didnt say that mad, now come on, admit it – yo said they have a 100% failure rate full stop. They dont – the modern republic proves this – its independant. lol 26 free counties – nothing to do witht e declined six counties – but a free republic.
    The uk lost 30% of its territory.

    come on. admit you were wrong.

  33. D4 – you accepted my analysis of the republic. Your comments about India were blown away. You have yet to demonstrate any Plastic role that would allow them to claim that the establishment of the green-banana republic on a part of Ireland in 1949 was a Plastic success…..

    Plastic paddydom has been a miserable failure.

  34. D4

    The term ‘six counties’ is, I repeat, off limits on my posts. Don’t use it again.

    ‘randomly decides’

    No, this Yorkshireman supports a people who were responsible for one half of his family’s ancestry, you ignoramus.

    ‘artificially created, immoral border which skews true democracy on the island.’

    Funny how no country except the Irish Republic (until 1999) regarded it as anything other than a legitimate international boundary. 1 republican pleb versus the entire international community. Now that’s skewered, pal.

  35. >>regarded it as anything other than a legitimate international boundary.<<

    How many recognise the Turkish/Greek border on Cyprus a legitimate international boundary?

  36. Cunningham

    None except Turkey. I suspect because of the manner of Turkey’s invasion and the notion that ‘two wrongs don’t make a right’ consensus in international relations.

    Azerbaijan toyed with the idea of formal recognition back in 2004, but eventually rejected it.

  37. It’s strange, Andrew, that someone who constantly cites the principle of "international regognition" and "international law", etc. when arguing for the UK union now does such a complete volte face on the same principle when it comes to Cyprus.

  38. Andrew is correct about TRNC, The Turkish Cypriots have suffered under a huge international double standard for decades. I will submit that that Turkey could have stopped the invasion after Nikos Samson fell and General Iononidies fell in Greece, indeed its reputation would have been much stronger today if it did this. But there were still huge concerns about EOKA’s lack of commitment to ethnic co-existance. The Greek side has been close friends of the PKK and is generally in line with Greece’s foreign policy. Greece is of course historically tied to supporting Arab regimes like Syria. But, back to the topic. TRNC’s new leader Mehmet Ali Talat is flexible, pragmatic, and wants to see unification. It was Greek objections to some nuances of land repatriation that killed the deal. But of course there are smaller number of Turks who lost land in the south too, doesn’t seem to bother them. My last note, is that the Autonmous Republic of Naxichevan (part of Azerbaijan) does recognize TRNC, but Baku does not.