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UNWELCOME INTERFERENCE

By David Vance On January 18th, 2013

I see US Predient Obama has very deliberately sought to stick HIS nose into the affairs of the UK.

President Barack Obama has told British Prime Minister David Cameron on Thursday that the United States “values a strong UK in a strong European Union” 

How charming. The slight problem with this is that;

1. It is for the people of the UK ALONE to decide our relationship with the EU. Obama has no say in what we think and I cannot think why he feels to share his opinion with us?

2. The idea of a “strong” UK within a “strong” EU is an oxymoron spouted by President Narcissus. The EU seeks to drain away our vestigial National Sovereignty, impose its laws on us, and further subvert the idea of a Nation State in de jure and de facto terms. The moron in the White House should learn to mind his business.

However, my bet is that Cameron actually wanted this from Obama. He will use this to try and send a warning to the more robust wing of his Party as it seeks to try and at least become semi-detached from the EU. This is all about expectations and triangulations and above all, subverting the will of the majority of people in the UK who want OUT of the EUSSR. Cameron WANTS to stay in and Obama wants us to stay in.

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30 Responses to “UNWELCOME INTERFERENCE”

  1. 1. It is for the people of the UK ALONE to decide our relationship with the EU. Obama has no say in what we think and I cannot think why he feels to share his opinion with us?

    The New World Order masters choose there drones and puppets well.

  2. one question.

    1. It is for the people of the UK ALONE to decide our relationship with the EU

    When did the PEOPLE vote to be part in the EU ?

  3. Troll.

    They never did, or got the chance, they were lied to by Heath and his drones, and well as they say, the rest is history.

    They are still lying.

  4. NO they wouldn’t do that….

  5. Well now the principle is established can I just say that the British Sandwich Islands were stolen and occupied by an aggressor nation.
    We want this nation to A hand them back and B keep it’s nose out of our affairs.
    Ok?

  6. Troll

    We had a referendum in 1975 to ratify the decision that had already been made by Parliament in 1973 to join what was then called the EEC. Since then as it has morphed into the EU there has been no further single issue referendum.

  7. The New World Order masters

    Stronger meds may be in order.

  8. yeah I know. My point is the PEOPLE have not given their blessing to Britain being a state in the EU.

    Your “POLITICIANS” made that decision for you, and have actively conspired to keep the voice of the people from being expressed one way or another.

  9. Troll

    I don’t disagree with you, but it does need to be said that we do have political parties, one very small (BNP) and one larger more mainstream (UKIP) that stand in general elections on a platform to leave the EU. We are not powerless to leave the EU it’s that the British people don’t want to take the radical steps necessary to electing a government that will pull us out of it.

  10. //yeah I know. My point is the PEOPLE have not given their blessing to Britain being a state in the EU.//

    No more than Americans have given their blessing to be in the current US.
    Every few years, the British people give overwhelming support to parties whose declared aim is to remain in the EU; any party that wants to take Britain out gets nowhere.

    The UKIP currently doesn’t have a single MP. Indeed, in the last election its Great White Hope, its leader Nigel Farage, came third in his own constituency, even behind an independent nobody who campaigned on a very pro-EU ticket of the UK joining the Euro.

  11. even behind an independent nobody who campaigned on a very pro-EU ticket of the UK joining the Euro.

    I didn’t know that. Boy, that must have stung! :)

  12. Noel your an ass… lol

    All politics is Local. You can’t however get a consent or denial on a national topic by just who you vote as your local representative.

    Noel misses the point the US is over 200yrs old. When it was formed it was debated for years, but then the PEOPLE voted for the Union. Unlike your politicians our politicians at the time of forming the Union put it to the people. They didn’t decide for them.

    What Noel, we should re-vote on the subject? How often? You try to skew the issue. We chose, we fought a war to maintain it. You on the other hand had it dictated to you.

  13. Troll

    Strictly speaking it was not dictated to us. The British people could have easily rejected membership in the referendum of 1975 but they did not, they approved it.

  14. //What Noel, we should re-vote on the subject?//

    Don’t be silly; I never suggested that.

    //Unlike your politicians our politicians at the time of forming the Union put it to the people. They didn’t decide for them.//

    That’s not true. The politicians, not the people, voted for the Constitution of the United States.

    Besides that was over 200 years ago and the US then had only 13 states. The US never held a referendum on beloning or joining, which is what you accuse Britain of.

    Britain, on the other hand, did hold a referendum on membership in 1975, and a large majority voted in favour.

    (BTW, the main campaign against membership was led by Socialists.)

    In short, you couldn’t be more wrong if you tried!

  15. The Brits here speak 24/7 voice opionion about what the US should do.

    Why shouldn’t the President give an opionion about what is best for the UK and Europe?

  16. The Brits here speak 24/7 voice opionion about what the US should do.

  17. your right the 75 vote was and is all that is ever needed. You have spoken so it must be so. Never mind what all the rest of the people think or feel Noel has spoken call the Mail.

    You honestly believe that the creation of the EU, and the acceptance of it’s Constitution as YOUR RULING LAW was put forth to the general masses as thoroughly as the US Constitution was put forth to our people?

    and your wrong every state had votes and referendums on whether or not they joined the Union as they became states after the first 13. You don’t grasp your own history don’t try to interpret ours.

  18. Colm

    in 75 it sounded like a good idea. The implementation however has been proven to be unacceptable, so much so that two decades later when the EU Constitution was rolled out you say the feelings to be bound by those rules and obligations exist?

  19. //You don’t grasp your own history don’t try to interpret ours.//

    Troll, you haven’t a clue about your own history. You said that when the United States was being formed, the PEOPLE (your emphasis) voted for the Union.

    That is not true.

    //Unlike your politicians our politicians at the time of forming the Union put it to the people. They didn’t decide for them.//

    Wrong. They did decide for the people.

    //every state had votes and referendums on whether or not they joined the Union as they became states after the first 13.//

    That’s also wrong. Each new state certainly did not have a referendum on whether to join to US.

    Practically everything you say about the origins and early years of the US is wrong, Troll. And that is the big thing you claim you know about, whereas you know less than a child. How do you manage it? In a way, there is even a kind of art to your vast ignorance.

  20. Troll

    I am not one of those people who think the 75 referendum was all that was needed. I do think the whole EU circus benefits politicians and the gravy train travellers much more then the ordinary people and I certainly do think another referendum is long overdue. We need mutual co-operation between sensible nation states, we don’t need a Supranational centralised political union.

  21. ahh but you just said in agreement with his lordship Noel that it was voted on and for in 75.

    can’t have it both ways. The 75 vote either committed you to it all, or it didn’t.

    It can’t be both.

  22. Colm

    I’d think that your comment is about right. Europe can cooperate in all sorts of things without moving towards a federal Europe structure.

    You now have yet another layer of government that isn’t necessary.

    The lust for power and expansion has been breathtaking. Why the need for such expansion east?

    And not for nothing, if there was no EU, there wouldn’t be the lingering question of admitting Turkey into it. Or there would be an easier decision to allow it into a different type of EU or even a Common Market that didn’t have agricultural policies or free immigration. You could have sidestepped all these things.

  23. Noel Cunningham -

    “Britain, on the other hand, did hold a referendum on membership in 1975, and a large majority voted in favour.”

    The 1975 referendum was to stay in “the Common Market”. It was a free trade area. There has never been a referendum on any degree of political union or economic union.

    Even back in 1972 and 1975 the British people were lied to. It’s now known that government and the monarch were briefed that membership of the then EEC was always going mean much more than a free trade area, but that was deliberately concealed from us.

    In any case, the EU’s occupation is illegal and illegitimate. Thankfully, we can one day hang every traitor who ever promoted it.

  24. Despite the EU’s democratic deficit; many of us see increased integration as a good thing, including Turkish membership which is on the way.

  25. //Why the need for such expansion east? //

    Phantom, ask the people there.

    There is no and never was any “need for expansion east”. The EU isn’t the US.

    The EU never incorporated any state that wasn’t already eager to join.

  26. He is voicing an opinion about what in is his country’s self interest. Why shouldn’t he? We are under no obligation to give a damn.

    What they did (including Mitchell) was far worse in terms of interference but I don’t blame for actually doing so, it was our fault for allowing it. I do blame them for the details of their interference and playing a part in making the world a more dangerous place.

  27. Troll

    That is nonsense. A referendum held by one generation nearly 40 years ago on a very different European situation does not bound all future generations in perpetuity to ever further integration and constitutional Supranational empowerment.

    Phantom

    I am not one of those people who think the US President or government should have no say on British membership of the EU. They are perfectly entitled to express their views on such matters as they consider in their own national interest.

  28. Noel the weigh politics was conducted in the US at the time of our constitutions ratification was decided by the people.

    It took years to argue the topic out in 85 articles in Newspapers across the 13 States. There were town meetings to decide how the representatives would vote. Major debates and swings back and forth.

    Not only were there the Federalist papers, there were the anti-Federalist papers. Arguments posted in newspapers all over the colonies to oppose the Union.

    A system for voting didn’t even exist. Your lack of knowledge is so glaring. You dig your hole deeper with each comment

  29. // Noel the weigh politics was conducted in the US at the time of our constitutions ratification was decided by the people//

    Bla, bla, bla…

    You said that when the US was being formed “the PEOPLE voted for the Union”.

    I pointed out that that never happened. Now you come crawling back with your “A system for voting didn’t even exist”

    Troll, advice from a friend: never assume other people are as stupid as you are.

    You also said that “our politicians at the time of forming the Union put it to the people. They didn’t decide for them.”

    You are again lying – the politicians did not put it to the people and did indeed decide for them.

    You also said “every state had votes and referendums on whether or not they joined the Union as they became states after the first 13.”

    which is again a brazen lie. Did California have a referendum? – of course not, it became a member when it was invaded and annexed by the US. Did other states have a referendums – again no.
    You don’t know what you’re talking about.

    In fact, the only state referendums I am aware of on membership of the US resulted in the states in question (Texas, Arkansas, Tennessee) deciding TO LEAVE. :-)

    As I said, Troll, you couldn’t be more wrong if you tried, and it sure looks like you’re trying.

  30. lol Poor old Troll… and he’s only recently resolved to post mostly on his country’s history! Hit the books first boy…

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