WASHINGTON TIMES: TSA PREPARING FOR AIRPORT SHOOTINGS
By Pete Moore On January 26th, 2013It’s about time. The idea that a terrorist would attempt to outfox security, to get onto a plane with a gun or a bomb, when there are hundreds of people around him at all times in an airport anyway, doesn’t stack up.
The Washington Times reports (warns?) that TSA gropers are receiving training “in order to save themselves” in the event of a shooting at security.
It is unclear whether the TSA is conducting the reported mass shooting scenario training at airports around the nation or only at the airport where our source, a veteran of the TSA, is assigned. The TSA source claims with obvious concern that his own life, along with the lives of other unarmed TSA personnel, would be in grave danger were an airport checkpoint shooting to unfold.
The TSA screener, who claims to have recently undergone agency training during which TSA personnel were confronted with a chilling checkpoint shooting scenario, now tries to remain aware of how to get out alive were such a shooting to unfold.
Wow – So Airport security undergo training to protect themsleves in the event of a mass shooting attack. How shocking, What a deeply irreponsible and pointless thing to be doing. What other madness will we hear of next. Learning how to do first aid, or where the nearest fire exits are ?
And the sum amount of ‘Terrorists’ the TSA drones have ever captured or caught … Zero, the only real ‘Terrorists’ the TSA drones will ever come across is when they look in a mirror.
TSA .. State gullible thugs, nothing more and nothing less., still never mind, the gullible always have the old mantra to fall back on ” Nothing to hide, nothing to fear” … BS, having nothing to hide or nothing fear, is no longer your choice. ‘ You can love your country’ by all means, but you had better fear your government.
You are not in control anymore, they are.
The Washington Times.
//And the sum amount of ‘Terrorists’ the TSA drones have ever captured or caught //
How many they’ve caught is irrelevant.
The question is how many terrorists would have walked right through had they not been there.
You are the guys who are saying “Islam” is targetting the West, remember.
Mahons
I was thinking the same thing.
Noel – They discovered over 1000 guns from passengers trying to board planes in 2011 alone. The TSA is one of the faux tyrannies the conspiracy nuts can’t stop pretending about.
Colm – One of ATW’s fun things is guessing the source of the posts, be it the Daily Mail, The Washington Times or some other source of…ahem… information.
Noel Cunningham, on January 26th, 2013 at 8:31 PM Said:
//And the sum amount of ‘Terrorists’ the TSA drones have ever captured or caught //
How many they’ve caught is irrelevant.
The question is how many terrorists would have walked right through had they not been there.
You are the guys who are saying “Islam” is targetting the West, remember.
Noel ..tens of thousands i can imgagine?
None is the real answer .. you know it and so do.
There is no big bad Muslim boogeyman coming to get you .. well there is, but he is not what you think it is ?
Oh crapski ..
‘And so do I’ I meant .
Dam spall chocker
Yesterday there was a heavy national guard presence at some NYC terminals. It was a little unnerving…we’re used to seeing the coast guard and nypd swat teams….there was buzz among commuters about what might be up. With that said, I googled words relating to this tea story and the conspiracy mutters are already reporting it is a precursor to a gov’t-sponsored shoot-up at an airport….just when I’m looking forward to going to coco beach and seeing Cape Canaveral and all the fake moon landing exhibits.
TSA=TEA…iPad thinks this is a tea party conspiracy.
mairin
If you want to witness some conspiracy fun (oops I mean the true factual situation) Why not just set yourself up in a nice spot in Central Park and watch a set of evil government goons rig the nearest skyscraper with a batch of explosives just in time for the next 9/11….
Colm, on January 26th, 2013 at 8:58 PM Said:
mairin
If you want to witness some conspiracy fun (oops I mean the true factual situation) Why not just set yourself up in a nice spot in Central Park and watch a set of evil government goons rig the nearest skyscraper with a batch of explosives just in time for the next 9/11….
Don’t fret .. It will happen.
9/11, The biggest con and scam in human history.
But, no worries, the 9/11 scam has fooled bigger fools than your good self.
I think all these conspiracy stories are just an even bigger conspiracy to keep the nutters from doing anything that might be more dangerous than writing on blogs.
//None is the real answer .. you know it and so do.//
You mean that, if it had been well known that there were absolutely no guards at US airports, that no Islamic crazies (or any of the sundry other murderous madmen) would not have tried for a spectacular on a plane over the past 10 years – all the way though the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, after the Yanks had zapped Bin Laden, when the truth about Abu Ghraib came out, etc etc.
That’s insane. They’d have been queueing up to board with their bombs and guns.
Harri
The “9/11 scam” is the sort of thing Allan conjures up and fools like you believe in..
Colm
That is fair comment, But us 9/11 ‘Nutters’ have time on our side … what do you have ‘Facts’ I don’t think so .. Technology and modern science will see to those cold blooded murdering shits that really carried out 9/11?… just who is the one with morals here .. you, or the likes of me and Allan who will not let the real murdering shits get away scot free?
Karma is coming for them .. not me ?
Harri
How do you propose not letting “the real murdering shits” get away scot free ?
Noel,
That’s right, I spend hour upon hour in front of queues of ‘Muslim terrorists’ waiting to board that plane ?
Colm,
Science will Fu** them at the end of the day .. anyway, all the FBI have to do is
to release just one of the other 1500 CCTV cameras that were taken upon the attck pof the mopst protected building on the planate ( The Pentagon ) and all will this conspiracy shit will be sorted in double quick time?
Karma has been deemed a woman and has been forbidden to go into combat!
Harri
Have you had more than your regulatory glass of red wine this evening ?
Colm,
Nothing you say will protect those who really carried out 9/11, nothing I say will place them in the dock of human justice .. no blog or comment will put them to rights .. science will do that for that for us.
I know that, and so do you, and what ‘they’ hate and fear, is that all of us will at the end of the day find out, that they are are just cold blooded murdering shits ?
If I am personaly wrong, then I am wrong, I have nothing but pride to lose, what have those that have swallowed all there crap, and they got to lose? .. far more than me I think?
Colm,
As of date, no-one on ATW has managed to prove Allan wrong.
Not even once.
Harri
Proving Allan wrong (or more accurately his theories) is like trying to prove ghosts don’t exist. Logic and common sense should do the trick but won’t work with those who still insist there is something in the room…
It’s no more possible to prove me wrong any more than it is for me to show the freefall collapse of building 7 and persuade colm (and there are millions – a great majority – who are like him) that it was brought down by controlled demolition – with forewarnings a-plenty, all links having been posted on a recent thread.
I post images of US/UK troops in Afghani poppy fields set against graphs of record opium crops since the taliban were deposed, yet no connection is made. So one can only conclude that those who see nothing amiss are ‘coincidentalists’ – because everything is a ‘coincidence’.
Allan
I’m not a naive fool, but yes I am ignorant in the sense that I am just an ordinary person without the ability or means to know what is really going on in the great global scheme of things. I am perfectly willing to accept that governments/military leaders/conglomerate powers etc. are capable of doing many wicked and criminal things and no doubt they d. But while I can never prove either way and nor do I pretend that I can do, I just don’t instinctively believe that 9/11 was a ‘false flag’.
Colm – do you have any idea of the scale of 9/11 as a project? The planning, logistics, management, documentation, financing, scheduling, manpower, confidentiality, transport are simply beyond the means of a guy in a cave in Afghanistan. The great majority of people have no idea of the immensity of such a project equal in size, I would say, to building the Channel Tunnel. The insurance payout alone to Silverstein would have almost paid for the Channel Tunnel.
Building 7 came down as a controlled demolition with forewarnings issued to those in the area and a mistimed announcement on the BBC some 20 minutes ahead of schedule. In order for such a controlled demolition, many weeks would have been taken to analyse the structure of the building and place the charges under the guise of a ‘lift refurbishment program’ or ‘insulation improvement’ etc. That it was a controlled demolition is confirmed by the charateristics of the collapse. That’s it and it’s not in doubt.
//It’s no more possible to prove me wrong //
Allen, that theory is intrinsically wrong, without any need to check it against the real world. If some organisation had the planning skills, the resources and the sheer power to create such an event and fool the whole world – and the theory requires that -, then it wouldn’t have been careless enough to leave so many simple clues around for people like you to pick up.
Allan
You are the one who has no idea of the scale of 9/11 as a project. CLUE. It wasn’t like building the suez canal. It was a dozen men, some knives and the element of surprise and originality. Just becasue the outcome was massive doesn’t mean the instigation had to be.
Faking the whole thing however, is another ball game altogether..
I thanked the TSA on my to London, and I thanked their peers at Heathrow on the way home. Its not the most exciting of jobs, but it is important.
In London, a woman was given a secondary patdown. She didn’t freak out, Pete. I thought you said that this ” molesting ” was only in the evil USA.
Like the passport of Satam al Saqami? The aircraft smashes into one of the twin towers and there, on the ground below, was found Saqami’s passport. Saqami was supposedly the ringleader of the hijackers and on board the plane which went up in an inferno – and his undamaged passport fell to the ground to be picked up as a clue to the identities of the terrorist gang – and you believe it!?
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a091201passportfound#a091201passportfound
The passport of 9/11 hijacker Satam Al Suqami is reportedly found a few blocks from the World Trade Center. [ABC News, 9/12/2001; Associated Press, 9/16/2001; ABC News, 9/16/2001] Barry Mawn, the director of the FBI’s New York office, will say that police and the FBI find it during a “grid search” of the area. [CNN, 9/18/2001] However a senior counsel to the 9/11 Commission will later claim the passport is actually discovered by a passerby and given to a New York City Police Department detective, “shortly before the World Trade Center towers collapsed.” [9/11 Commission, 1/26/2004] An FBI timeline concerned with the 9/11 hijackers will state that the passport is found by a civilian “on the street near [the] World Trade Center,” and is “soaked in jet fuel.” [Federal Bureau of Investigation, 10/2001, pp. 291 ] According to FBI agent Dan Coleman, Al Suqami’s passport is handed to a New York City detective who is “down there, trying to talk to people as they were coming out of the buildings.” By the time the detective looks up again after receiving the passport, the man who handed it to him has run off, “which doesn’t make sense,” Coleman will say. The passport is then given to a detective on the Joint Terrorism Task Force. Coleman will say that by this evening, “we realized… that this was the passport of one of the people that headquarters had identified as one of the 19 probable hijackers.” [France 5, 3/14/2010] Investigative journalist Nick Davies will later write that he talked to “senior British sources who said they believed that the discovery of a terrorist’s passport in the rubble of the Twin Towers in September 2001 had been ‘a throwdown,’ i.e. it was placed there by somebody official.” [Davies, 2009, pp. 248] The Guardian will comment, “The idea that Mohamed Atta’s passport had escaped from that inferno unsinged [tests] the credulity of the staunchest supporter of the FBI’s crackdown on terrorism.” (Note that, as in this Guardian account, the passport will frequently be mistakenly referred to as belonging to Atta, not Al Suqami.)
Someone knows how to cut and paste
Good boy
Allan, do you tie all the theories you follow into a package? I’m not making light or fun of your beliefs but I’m wondering if there’s a thread like the illuminati or the new world order. Spell it out clearly, please.
Phantom – have you read it? Do you understand it? Do you believe it?
mairin
I can spell the linking themes of Allan’s theories for you in 4 letters, but you will have to re-arrange them.
W S J E
Allan
I’m glazing over if you don’t mind.
Allan
I’m glazing over if you don’t mind.
Mairin – it’s not my belief that the passport of one of the 9/11 hijackers survived the inferno of the plane crash intact, though soaked in jet fuel. There it is reported on the link posted at 11.22pm. The question is simply whether it is credible that a passport can survive an explosion as seen by us all, then float to ground intact, though soaked in jet fuel and not be burnt even slightly.
Investigative journalist Nick Davies will later write that he talked to “senior British sources who said they believed that the discovery of a terrorist’s passport in the rubble of the Twin Towers in September 2001 had been ‘a throwdown,’ i.e. it was placed there by somebody official.” [Davies, 2009, pp. 248] Is this perhaps more credible?
Which do you consider as more credible, mairin? I’m not making light or fun of your beliefs but I’m wondering if there’s anything that your government tells you that you wouldn’t believe. Spell it out clearly, please.
Allan
If the White House issued a statement on an incident saying they agreed with Allan’s findings then I think that is one government proclamation that Mairin wouldn’t believe .
Oh well…I asked a simple question, Allan. It was a yes or no type question. If you could train your mind that sometimes that’s all people want…then, perhaps a conversation could be had.
Mairin – the “spell it out clearly” bit means that it’s not a yes/no question. So I kept my response within the confines of the ‘magic passport’. These should be issued to combat personnel because, if these exist and most Americans believe that they do, then why should they not be given to US military personnel?
So, with all due respect, I must repeat the question to you: which of the options of the terrorist passport do you consider to be more credible? Do you believe that a kerosene-soaked passport could survive the crash inferno and fall to ground to be handed into the FBI? Please open the link of 11.22pm to see the intact passport.
Colm – the White House will never issue such a statement. When George Carlin was asked whether he favoured a proper investigation into 9/11, he replied that “these people don’t investigate themselves”.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNoM0dj9C2s
Allan, all sorts of things ended up in tact. The memories will haunt us for the rest of our lives.
Mairin – that’s a cop-out and it’s the kind of sentimental BS which allows those in your country who perpetrate such crimes against your citizens to get away with it. Clearly, with the evidence right in front of your face, you choose not to look.
Allan
I think mairin in New York is in far greater posession of evidence than you in your psychotic Northern Scottish bedroom..
It’s not a cop out Allan. I looked and look every day. I just don’t believe you’ve proved your case.
Colm – You think…? You don’t think. Provide some evidence that you (can) think.
mairin – would you firstly read the text of my post of 11.22pm. Once you’ve done that, would you open the link in the same post. You will see the passport which was reported as having survived the impact of the aircraft into one of the twin towers – you saw that inferno, didn’t you? The kerosene-soaked passport then fell to ground without being burnt, and was then found and handed into the FBI thus allowing them to get an ID on one of the terrorists. Do you consider that to be credible? Yes or no will suffice.
Allan
You post but do you think ?
Colm – do you see the post above targetted to mairin? Would you be good enough to do as requested therein – take your time. Then, once read etc, would you state whether you consider the official passport explanation to be credible i.e. the kerosene-soaked passport fell out of the inferno without burning and was handed in to the FBI. Yes or no will suffice.
Allan, it would be great to have a conversation with you that wasn’t a copy and paste or a link. Let’s start with the weather…I plan to visit Aberdeen. I have family roots there. What time of year should I visit?
mairin – the weather in Aberdeen is generally poor all-year-round. For your relatives, meet them a few miles inland where things are usually clearer. It’s because of the sea which causes cold and fog to drift in. Best time to visit would be August.
Thanks for that Allan. Our family mostly left Aberdeen and went to Sligo. I want to see Sligo without input from family…what should I see? Why do people stay in Aberdeen? In your opinion…it doesn’t sound very appetizing but something makes it special.
Sligo should say Aberdeen … I hate iPad.
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Aberdeen is OK though the weather is rarely at its best but if we all lived where it was, nobody would have gone north of the Med.
Colm – are you there?
Yes I am, but regarding that passport issue, my honest answer is that I am not prepared to change my mind about 9/11 on that ‘evidence’
mairin2 -
Do you mean why do visitors, or natives, stay in Aberdeen?
New York and London aren’t very appetising to me, but then I’m from London and big cities don’t wow me. I’m not a city person. See one tourist landmark stuffed with Japs and you’ve seen them all.
Aberdeen is the centre of the UK oil industry. Fishing and other stuff is going on there too, and wherever you are in Scotland you’re not far from mountains. Give me a weekend in the Highlands rather than the West End or Manhattan any day.
Visiting Scotland .. as Billy Connoly once said, ‘It only rains twice a year, once for six months, and then for another six’
The 911 timeline is worth a read. I havent went near it in over a decade but as a repositry of news articles about that event it is superb. It raises many questions, serious ones too. None of which require the illuminati or demolition to answer them either.
Noel,
“it wouldn’t have been careless enough to leave so many simple clues around for people like you to pick up.
Indeed. But can we rule out that Allan is a false flag operation, part of the conspiracy? Is his role to make any questioning of the conspiracy look batshit crazy?
I’m only asking questions.
Conspiracies often employ the weak and unstable. :0
How are you Frank?
Indeed Frank – it’s all one huge coincidence, and no questions should be asked, not even about how a kerosene-soaked passport can fall from an inferno undamaged then be handed into the FBI as evidence against the terrorists. It’s astonishing, astonishing that people are stupid enough to believe it.
A co workers briefcase and all its contents blew out of the upper floors of 2 WTC, found very shortly after by a worker, on the pile.
It is now on display at the Smithsonian.
Many items were found on the ground.
Fit that into your conspiracy.
All the steelwork from the Twin towers was quickly wisked away to China to be melted down, is it not against Federal Law to remove any evidence from a crime scene?
It was examined all of it, before it was removed and sold, later. Who told you that things remained at a crime scene forever?
And they could not clear the site, or find human remains, unless the steel was removed.
Phantom
How much of it was examined?
The bulk of the steel was apparently shipped to China and India. The Chinese firm Baosteel purchased 50,000 tons at a rate of $120 per ton, compared to an average price of $160 paid by local mills in the previous year. 2
This story is a lot closer to me than it is to the likes of you and the other deniers here.
The matter you speak of is a non issue.
Fantasize away.
Phantom,
So they examined ALL of it did they ..
Mayor Bloomberg tells a different story.
You are in competition with Allan for king of cut and paste
Ahh, The old chesnut ‘Denier’
And just why would 9/11 not be mu business, the Elite have used the incident to take away many of our freedoms,
It might be a ‘non-issue’ to you, but that is your choice.
And not allowing the real terrorists amongst us to rest .. is mine, my choice, you are trying to defend the indefensible, and if you believe that just for one moment on 9/11 the laws of physics was turned on it’s head .. again, your choice, I will go with the physics thanks.
Phantom, on January 27th, 2013 at 3:43 PM Said:
You are in competition with Allan for king of cut and paste
Makes a refreshing change of being wailed at by the old chestnut ‘Denier’
The irony is ‘Denial’ is exactly what those who believe the ‘Official
fairytalereport … is in a state of.Phantom
You made clear and concise statement ‘They examined ALL of the steel’
Show me where it states that?
None of your freedoms have been infringed.
You are as free as a bird over there
Free as a bird?
I will remember that the next time I am having my yogurt, soft drinks, sandwiches, Monc Blanc fountain pen and aftershaves confiscated at ‘Airport security’
No answer yet phantom on the ‘They examined ALL of the steelwork’
No they didn’t.
Some people can not handle the truth, I don’t blame them to be honest, the horrific truth of ‘Are you saying our government would willingly kill it’s own people’ .. of course they would if the end justified the means.
I will soon speak again of your Leader, who does entertain
If you don’t want to go through airport security, don’t fly.
Colm – I don’t want to have to repeat myself but here, I must. The question is – Do you believe that a kerosene-soaked passport could survive the crash inferno and fall to ground to be handed into the FBI? Please open the link of 11.22pm to see the intact passport.
Phantom (the evader) believes, Frank believes, mahons believes, daytripper believes, so you are in plentiful company. A simple yes or no will suffice.
Did they not also strike extremely lucky again, when they found a Red bandana which apparently was used by one of the ‘Terrorists’ .. that was found totaly intact as well.
The thing is I have never seen Goerge Bush wearing one
http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Personal_Effects_and_the_Crash-Proof_Passport
Allan
Grow up
Phantom — I was taken aside for a pat-down recently. The guy explained to me that it was random. I told him it wasn’t a problem. We exchanged a bit of small talk and I was through in a minute or two. If there’s a big deal about any of that, I fail to see it.
Petr,
You obviously do not have any children.
They can grope me all they like .. but not my children, that is a big deal.
Allan
I don’t have to give you a yes or no. I have no idea of the journey of that passport and I am not going to pretend to.
Harri
So you’ll get on the plane but your kids will be left behind.
Great dad
Colm
Fortunately and as far as I am aware, flights within the European Union do not allow the groping of children … unlike the States who are perfectly okay with it.
Still never mind ‘If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear’
9/11 and the magic passport, perhaps they should have made the black boxes from the same material as the magic passport, then they might have survived
The TSA, that is not security .. it’s insanity.
I went through JFK with my son last year, and he was very disappointed at not being put through the full-body scanner.
He’s mad about modern technology.
Noel
It was probably for the best …
http://www.forbes.com/sites/daviddisalvo/2011/11/15/europe-bans-airport-body-scanners-over-health-and-safety-concerns/
The terror qnout and hostility to airport security is a deeply inauthentic issue.
You only hear it from Matt Drudge, Alex Jones, Ron Paul, or Ron Paul’s no good professional politician son. Or from those who take their opinions from one of them or from all four of them.
Airport security is not pleasant. It can be disorienting. All of us wish that it was not needed. But it is.
It is again noted that those of us who often travel in the US and internationally don’t complain about security. I know Brits and Americans who travel nearly once a week, amd they don’t obsess on this. Only a few right wing phonies show contempt for airport security, for reasons known only to themselves.
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Colm – I linked to the details of the official journey of the fire-resistant passport at 11.22pm yesterday. All I’m asking is whether you believe the official version as to how a kerosene-soaked passport managed to survive the inferno of the plane crash to land unscathed on the pavement below when it was then handed in to the FBI and used as evidence against the hijackers. Either you believe the narrative or you don’t. There are plenty of people here who believe the narrative so you won’t be alone in going along with it. I’m merely asking whether you believe the narrative.
Tell you what: how about a ‘yes’ or ‘no’ with a wee insult thrown at me. I don’t mind at all if it’s what it takes to get an answer out of you.
Harri – you are linking to ‘disreputable’ (i.e. in disagreement with Phantom) sites. Similarly disreputable sites state that Michael Chertoff made a lot of money out of these body scanners. Phantom will say his usual “so what”, but Chertoff was the Head of Homeland Security:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/23/fear_pays_chertoff_n_787711.html
- After last month’s plot to send bombs from Yemen to the United States aboard a cargo plane, former U.S. Homeland Security chief Michael Chertoff’s whiskerless visage was ubiquitous on cable news. Solemnly warning that the nation needed stronger security procedures, Chertoff patiently repeated his talking points on ABC News’s “World News Tonight”, “Fox and Friends”, CNBC’s “Squawk Box” and Bloomberg TV.
Almost unmentioned in these appearances: Chertoff has a lot to gain financially if some of these measures are adopted. Between his private consulting firm, The Chertoff Group, and seats on the boards of giant defense and security firms, he sits at the heart of the giant security nexus created in the wake of 9/11, in effect creating a shadow homeland security agency. Chertoff launched his firm just days after President Barack Obama took office, eventually recruiting at least 11 top officials from the Department of Homeland Security, as well as former CIA director General Michael Hayden and other top military brass and security officials. -
Allan wrote:
But Allan, you are claiming the existence of this passport constitutes evidence for a conspiracy.
Why do you think members of a conspiracy would go out of their way to plant evidence against that conspiracy?
No Frank – I’m asking whether it is possible for a kerosene-soaked passport to leave the scene of an inferno (we saw the explosions) and fall to ground without being burnt. Here is the text of the reporting of the finding of the passport, from my post at 11.22pm yesterday. A picture of the passport is in the link:
It’s just a pity that the black boxes weren’t as robust as that passport from inside the plane.
Thanks, Pete,
I look forward to the visit…maybe next year.
I understand about not being a city person. I’m lucky to live in a part of the city that is totally countrified…with woods, lawns, and gardens surrounding me and great harbor views. I walk to work with a boat trip in between the walking…well, not since Sandy screwed things up. I lucked out and found the best of lots of worlds.
Black boxes are just not what they used to be. Not only did the passport of one of the hijackers survive intact but so too did at least 8 of the hijackers – yet the black boxes (all of them, at all locations) failed to survive thus preventing vital information about the hijackings from being revealed. Here are the tests for the black boxes. Apparently, a passport is more robust:
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/CASPEC10.PDF
c) Test Procedures
i) Impact The recorder shall be subjected to half sine wave impact shocks applied to each of the three axes in the most critical direction, and having a peak acceleration of 1,000 ‘g’ for at least 5 milliseconds.
ii) Penetration Resistance The recorder shall be subjected to an impact force produced by a 226 kg (500lb) steel bar which is dropped from a height of 3m (10 ft) on to the weakest face of the recorder in the most critical plane. The point of contact of the bar shall have an area no greater than 32mm2 (0.05 in2). The 1ongitudinal axis of the bar shall be vertical at the time of impact.
iii) Static Crush The recorder shall be subjected to a static crush force of 22.25kN (5,000 lbf) applied continuously but not simultaneously to each of the three axes in the most critical direction, for a period of 5 minutes.
iv) Fire At least 50% of the outside area of the recorder shall be subjected to flames of at least 1100ºC for a period of 30 minutes.
v) Fluids (excepting seawater) The recording medium shall be immersed for24 hours in each of the following fluids:
Aircraft fuel – J.P.1 (Kerosene) J.P.4
Lubricating Oil – D.Eng. RD2487
Hydraulic Fluid – DTD 585,
Phosphate ester based fluid
Fire Extinguishing Fluids – Water glycol + 62% water,
CO2 foam, methyl bromide,
freon 12, standard foam liquid,
dry powder, CTC, BTM, BCF.
vi) Sea Water The recorder or the recording medium shall be immersed in sea water for 30 days.
Listen, these assholes never tire of their conspiracy theories, it is pointless to bother with them.
Allan — Maybe just provide a link? We’ll get repetitive strain injury from scrolling past your comments.
“No Frank – I’m asking whether it is possible for a kerosene-soaked passport to leave the scene of an inferno (we saw the explosions) and fall to ground without being burnt.”
Allan Stop pressing CTRL-C and CTRL-V like a wanking chimp on acid for a minute, and think.
I’m asking WHY somebody would plant evidence that is, ACCORDING TO YOU, CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE AGAINST THE STORY YOU CLAIM THEY WANTED TO PUSH.
WHY WOULD THEY DO THAT ALLAN
Mahons nails it
Noel Cunningham, on January 27th, 2013 at 9:33 PM Said:
I went through JFK with my son last year, and he was very disappointed at not being put through the full-body scanner.
He’s mad about modern technology.
Colm
And you thought I was a bad Dad
Frank – stop shouting and follow the thread. I have posted reports on the discovery of the kerosene-soaked passport being expelled from an inferno and landing on the ground below the stricken skyscraper – and that reporting is a fact as seen from the links. The question then arises as to how a passport inside the plane could get soaked in kerosen and be expelled in such a manner as not to be completely burnt. Do you consider that to be credible, Frank?
Your question, which underlines your refusal to answer the question above, is mere diversionary speculation and I have no idea why such evidence would be planted.
You willingly give up that little bit of Liberty for that little bit of security .. and soon you will find that you have lost the lot.
What liberty has been lost?
All those years, you guys have never provided one true example,
And don’t insult anyone’s intelligence by mentioning airport example or the Patriot Act.
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Phantom, on January 28th, 2013 at 11:34 AM Said:
What liberty has been lost?
Phantom
‘Homeland security’ have you read the latest list of what would deem you to be a ‘Terrorist’ in the eyes of Homeland security .. that No-Fly list of potential terrorists is getting longer and longer.
And don’y try to get past the TSA with any gold or silver coins either?
Look it up.
Not my problem
Declare your gold and currency and its not your problem eith
Phantom
It used to be ‘declare’ any cash over £1000, then they moved the goalposts to £900 and then £600, I do believe that it is now £500, where will it stop?
I pay for anything major with a credit card. Not my problem. I took £100 out of the ATM a couple of trips ago, and still have not spent it – the convenience of credit / debit is that great.
That being said, I’d think that the US declaration free limit is up to $10,000 which is about right. Most people, especially the young, will never come close to that amount, since they use credit or debit cards now.
The UK govt website refers to a UK threshold of 10,000 euro. What country are you speaking of?
http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/customs-travel/customs/whatcanibringin/
Phantom.
The UK, only because I have been behind several people ( mostly Eastern European) exiting security and have witnessed them being questioned on any cash over £600
I did read-up somewhere that Bliar thought it a jolly good idea to combat ‘Drug dealing’ and Terrorism to reduce it even further to £500 .. here if you are stopped by the Policia you can have as much cash as you like on you .. as long as they get some of it
Well there should be a limit precisely for the reasons of combating drug trafficing, money laundering, anti terrorism, tax evasion.
But the UK and US stated limits of 10,000 dollars or euro is about right.
Some of us are against any limits, at all, which is as serious as it sounds.
Phantom
By the way, I was in Bratislava airport a short while ago, and for the first time ever I had problems with ‘Security’ the young lady security officer had been given a new lease of ‘power’ and by God she was going to abuse it, anyway obvioulsy with so many visits to airports one becomes cute to it all, or do we .. Knowing full well I had nothing to hide so I had nothing to fear, My flight bag was x-rayed, I was then ‘ordered’ to stand within a taped off square and not to move, My bag was gingerly opened and the now apoplectic young lady barked at me WHAT IS IN THIS BAG.. It’s a Toothbrush pouch I barked back, well she said what is inside, A toothbrush I replied, The bag was opened, the toothbrush was tested for explosives and I had to stand there for 10 minutes ( It took me that long to stop laughing) Mad as a box of frogs the lot of them.
Tell them to go to the TSA for some proper training.
That’s all well and good, but since my ‘Toothbrush’ incident, I no longer pack one, it’s not worth the hassle to be honest, so now I am scarred for life thanks to ‘airport security’ and am far more paranoid about having bad breath rather than some mad scruffy muslim blowing me to pieces
I carry a toothbrush but no longer bring toothpaste.
And a razer but no can of shaving cream.
It stinks, but this is the world that Muhammad Atta has made.
–razor–
Yes – Muhammad Atta and the tale of the indestructible passport!