Freedom
By Patty On January 28th, 2013
From Wired:
A Virginia man who wrote an abbreviated version of the Fourth Amendment on his body and stripped to his shorts at an airport security screening area won a trial Friday in his lawsuit seeking $250,000 in damages for being detained on a disorderly conduct charge.
Most know that the First Amendment to the US Constitution protects free speech.
And, most are now intimately familiar with the Second Amendment as it is the one that protects our right to own guns.
Now,thanks to Aaron Tobey who wrote the Fourth Amendment on his chest, we learn that the US Constitution protects us from illegal search and seizure.
Freedom. It’s really something, ain’t it?
Another staged incident at an airport.
Add it to the pile of recent troublemaking incidents by Rand Paul at the Nashville airport, and, this month, by Alex Jones , at the Austin Airport
These stunts inconvenience travelers and are a form of harassment of the security workers.
This isn’t funny anymore. These people should all have been punished.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/01/07/conservative-host-alex-jones-gets-in-spat-with-tsa-at-texas-airport-see-the-photos/
From an opinion by a dissenting judge in the case
He won his case, Phantom. He should not be “punished.”
The ruling was incorrect.
We have been far too lenient to those who make trouble at airport security.
This is one of the worst ” causes ” one can imagine.
You travel – you should know better than to celebrate stunts like this.
Oh please. Do you believe in law and order, or not?
The TSA did not have to detain him because he had the 4th amendment on his chest.
It’s not like it was a tattoo of a naked lady, lol.
You are such a totalitarian. We can’t profile logical suspects but we have to endure the idiocy of untrained “police?” to make us “safer?”
Thank God we have the Constitution to protect us from statists like yourself.
You probably think we’d be better off without the pesky US Constitution, don’t you.
Like Piers Morgan – damn that “little book…”
The US Constitution gets in the way of what you think is best for the collective….
You’re such a lightweight.
” Totalitarian “. Yea.
Actually, he lost his 4th Amendment case. it was the first amendment rights that the Court felt was violated.
Yes, google the court’s decision. It’s misrepresented in this post.
How is it misrepresented?
Tobey won his civil case. That much is true.
He painted the 4th amendment on his chest – so we learn what the 4th amendment is. That much is true.
If you all see other things in the post – like a declaration that Tobey won the right not to be searched by TSA at the airport – that’s your problem.
While I wish it were true, clearly that’s not the case.
This post is a dimwitted attempt to endorse the harassment of blue collar airport security workers, and even that she got wrong.
There would be very few worse causes in the US than this, apart from Trutherism perhaps, and its no surprise than the lines of Harassers and Truthers often cross.
I am not one of the nation’s great constitutional scholars, but I had heard of the 4th amendment before this incident. So “we” didn’t learn it from this fellow’s writing it on himself.
Oddly enough he (and those who celebrate his foolish ways) seem to have not understood it was a first amendment issue.
Note that Patty wants this guy to have the right not to be searched by TSA at the airport
Patty and others here have landed in a lunatic spot where they oppose airport security
Sorry. Stay home for the rest of your life and you will never have to go through TSA security.
This weird anti security is a subset of the Republican Party supporters. Who may never win another election unlless and until they expel this malignant Paulie tumor.
Bobby Jindal warned Republicans about becoming the stupid party. He must read ATW.
There are plenty of smart Republicans, but they’ve tolerated militant stupidity in the party — yes, well represented here, west coast and east, and among the offshore wanabees living in a ” socialist ” Europe that they despise –for too long. Its reached a stage where the Democrats may rule for the next 20 years.
I see such an opening for an intelligent conservative party in this country. But the Republican Party isn’t it. They are dominated by crazy and or stupid people. The Dems have no competition politically.
Which is a shame, they used to value intelligence in that party, no they fear it. And a weak Republican Party lets the Democrats coast.
You sure are an angry lot.
Patty, do you agree with the point this guy was making?
Harassers (people opposed to idiotic searches), Truthers (people who can show that 9/11 is a lie), Birthers (people who can show that Obama’s birth certificate is a forgery), Gun nuts (people who make use of their right to self-protection) – all the Corporatist buzzwords to label people and avoid, at all costs absolutely avoid, discussing the facts of each case. Just look at Phantom’s comments whenever I, Pete or Harri try to engage him: pure evasion.
The American dream is over ..
The Lady in question was 80 years old, still to the totalitarians ‘So what’ she probably deserved all she got huh !
I don’t get how this (on its own) is disorderly conduct?
I don’t like security checks but I see the need.
Why should it have caused any fuss or delay? (if there was a link to read more I couldn’t see it).
We often divest ourselves of a few layers at these checkouts. He was even more thorough than most.
Unless what he had written was offensive in itself. It should have been ignored and him progressed through security like everyone else.
“The following description of this incident comes from a recent article in the New York Daily News….
Zimmerman was on her way to a Fort Lauderdale-bound flight …
“They took me into a private screening room and pulled my pants down and then pulled down my underwear,” the 4-feet-11 Zimmerman said. “If that’s not strip-searching..”
The Lady in question was 80 years old”
Boy, that must be some skin cream she uses. In the picture she doesn’t look a day over 60.
Noel
6, 60 or 80, It is still abuse.
Why not use ‘Profiling’?
Then again, the TSA have never ever seen or caught one single ‘terrorist’ in over 10 years, so they would not know what one actually looked like if one was hanging from the end of their noses.
As I said the American dream is long, long gone.
The American Dream, a scruffy old man sitting in a cave in the middle of nowhere took it all away from you.
The most powerful nation on earth Vs a scruffy old man sitting in a cave in the middle of nowhere .. and he won
the American dream is gone? No far from it. Things go in cycles. Right now we are at the peak of a cycle that has taken 100 years to reach.
You view the US from a skewed point of view. Things are bad right now but not bad enough, hopefully by the end of the next four years the level of pain will reach a point of critical mass. It may take more.
Last election turnout was terrible. You can not unseat someone with a negative vote, this election reaffirmed that fact more than anything else.
Right now we have no leaders. We are sitting on however the greatest energy reserves in the world and the greatest heritage of innovation.
If you want to right us off go right ahead, but that will be your mistake.
The primary goal is not necessarily to catch terrorists Harri.
The goal is to keep the system safe. The goal has been met. There’s no question that the system has prevented bad actors from even showing up at the airport. Its not as though they’ve all renounced terrorism.
You misunderstand the mission completely.
Okay guys
Fair points,
“You misunderstand the mission completely.”
Right, from a ‘terrorists’ point of view, I assume the general idea at airports is to cause murder & mayhem, and to cause unimaginable terror, and to maximise the collateral damage to ther innocents.
So, like your good selves I have whiled away the hours in quite a few airports, one that springs to mind is Stanstead, (That’s where I lost my Yogurt, club sandwich and Mont-Blanc fountain pen in the name of ‘Terror’) I could not fail to notice the armed police ‘Airside’ now, all those folk on that side of the airport have just been searched and cleared .. so what are the armed to the teeth doing on that side of the counter?
Now, prior to ‘security’ there is the main hall and check in counters, where I guess on a busy day several thousands of people are standing about waiting to check in all tightly packed, now all these folk walk straight into the airport unaided, untouched by any security whatsoever, and can raon about shopping as free as birds, so it makes me wonder that if the ‘terrorist’ aim was to cause max damage, there is absolutley no ‘security’ there to stop them, why if that terrorist’ wanted to pack a couple of hundred of kilos of explosives in a large case, the airport will even supply a free trolley to help him lug it to the main hall, all whilst not being bothered by any ‘security’ whatsoever, he can wander into the middle shout Alluha Akbar, detonate the lot, get those 72 virgins, cause not a couple of deaths but possibly thousands, the airport will shutdown for god knows how long .. job done, all withoiut having to queue for a consirable amount of time, possibly being verbaly or physicaly abused by any Khuffars and risk it going through ‘security’ .. but they don’t .. why?
You travel within ( TSA free ) Europe.
The ferry and train option remains available.
In London, there was a ‘Terrorist attack’ on the Tube train and a Bus .. but there is no security to go through prior to boarding … why?
Because we listened to you anti security guys?
London is an open society
You want that to change?
You can get arrested in London for photographing a Policeman or a public building.
You also have to have ‘State permission’ to protest?
Not so free.
Phantom
I am not ‘Anti-security’ but thanks to the Liberal elite, ‘profiling’ is ‘racist’
Keep security, but security with common sense.
We are not paranoid .. they are.
First off security at airports in the US is an illusion for the gullible. The TSA are a joke. They are eye candy for those that travel to make them “feel” that they are safe.
Any airline employee that works the flight line can bypass the so called security. But if the sheep feel safe as they are loaded into the bus the illusion the TSA provides has done it’s job.
The Republican party is definitely locked in a death grip by the type of people that the Liberals on this site support, not the so called stupid and militant.
You want one party rule, well that is primarily what we have had for 60 years. The one party is the Democrats. Denial of this is idiocy that ignores facts.
The problem is most people don’t pay attention to the big picture. They only see things on a local level. Except for times of war the nation very rarely focuses.
This has lead to 100 years of incremental socialism and a class of permanent politicians.
Crises is the only thing that evokes quick change. Are we reaching that point? Who knows. All indicators say we are but the people haven’t reached that point yet. This past election proved that.
The silliness though of the Liberals to decry what the Republican party looks like or is made up of is just that silly. If you want the Republicans to be Democrats it’s very simple run Democrats in those seats and win Elections.
If you don’t replace those seats with democrats you really have no say and your advice is a joke. The right knows what you want if you believe it is what they want run on it, get elected. In the meantime we will choose for ourselves thank you.
If that choice is to tear the party into two than that will be the choice. Either way none of you are involved in conservative community so your opinion is just that an opinion. and opinions are like asses we have them and at least half the time they stink.
We are sitting on however the greatest energy reserves in the world
You wish!
facts are facts Petr.
Just because you choose to deny it won’t change it. The Natural Gas and Oil reserves in the US are the largest in the world, The Coal Reserves dwarf everything.
There has been a concerted effort to prevent the use of the resources. That doesn’t mean they aren’t there.
The problem is most people don’t pay attention to the big picture. They only see things on a local level. Except for times of war the nation very rarely focuses.
Troll,
Has America ever not been in a ‘State of war’
The Troll, on January 28th, 2013 at 12:52 PM Said:
facts are facts Petr.
Just because you choose to deny it won’t change it. The Natural Gas and Oil reserves in the US are the largest in the world, The Coal Reserves dwarf everything
Lol … Troll are you impyling that Petr is a ‘Denier’
Priceless.
depends on how you define it
Implying even
that answer applies to both your questions Harri
The Troll, on January 28th, 2013 at 1:02 PM Said:
depends on how you define it
A ‘Denier’ is apparently not so difficult a label to attain ( I wear mine with pride) all you have to do is disagree with them.
Troll
Ah, but now America is actually at war with it’s self .. so you were right.
well then your definition makes me the king of Deniers.
Most people forget this is the real America
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f33KzjrjTg0
Lemonade (or should that be Pop) at 50c a glass .. cash in hand, What about the States percentage
I do like that large gas-guzzler he is driving, a 4×4 I assume, I want one.
A gas-guzzling V8 … I like it, I like it a lot.
Troll.
OT You have got a lot of reserves ..
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2269517/The-picture-space-shows-U-S-oil-field-burning-gas-power-Chicago-AND-Washington-cheaper-selling-it.html#ixzz2JHBVsT9X
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Troll -
Those boys better have State permits.
I reckon those boys in “the real America” probably violated city and state ordinances relating to business permits, child labour laws and food production regulations. Their parents won’t see them again for years.
That’s your real America – just another over-regulated, socialist, police-state basket-case.
Weren’t you musing about moving to the US not so long ago?!
He pines for a country that does not exist.
Petr Tarasov -
Me?
He was looking into Canada, which is basically the same deal as the US, only a bit more socialist and with a sensible gun policy, better than that of the US.
Someone make two or three posts so that this gay porn bondage image from Patty’s post is removed from our computers.
Please, post anything!!!
yeah the crackdown on those viscous lemonade dealers has been horrendous.
They’re creating a blackmarket of Lemonade stands
Okay Phantom
Have you read ‘Fifty shades of Grey’
Post a review of that. I am begging you.
The Troll, on January 28th, 2013 at 2:03 PM Said:
yeah the crackdown on those viscous lemonade dealers has been horrendous.
They’re creating a blackmarket of Lemonade stands
What those young innocent Lemonade sellers at 50c a glass have yet to learn, no matter how much they sell, no matter how hard they work, no matter how much money they make, the State will waste there hard earnt far more efficiently than they ever could
Pete Moore, on August 26th, 2007 at 7:28 PM Said:
Someone make two or three posts so that this gay porn bondage image from Patty’s post is removed from our computers.
Would a post about Tea-baggers be preferable?
Phantom, on January 28th, 2013 at 2:08 PM Said:
Post a review of that. I am begging you.
Lol
I think it’s more of a Ladies sort of thing.
My wife has a copy, but I believe it’s just pure unadulterated smut, and would rather gouge my eyes out with a spoon.
Honest
A tribute to Abba and Ron Paul would be preferable to this.
Don’t worry Petr, the Traitor John McCain is going to make an announcement today how he and his Merry Bunch are going to fix immigration later today.
Sneak in now and change your name to Gonzales not only will you get citizenship but every free thing the tax payer can be soaked for.
Troll — Notwithstanding its many merits, I have no desire to relocate to your country. Why would you think I did?
Is this the same John McCain you campaigned for and voted for in 2008?
I voted for the Traitor, but never campaigned for him.
As for you immigrating here legally or illegally, there are many places where you would fit right in comrade.
I asked you what made you think I’d want to? Why did you say “Don’t worry Petr… Sneak in now and change your name to Gonzales”
Have you been drinking toilet duck?
It was a general statement, in response to your comment regarding what I believe Pete might of said.
You have never expressed a desire to leave where you are at as far as I can remember.
As I was implying if you did want to now is the time as long as you adopt a Mexican persona.
The comment was more towards the remark than you personally
Pete — Why did you try to get a green card to “just another over-regulated, socialist, police-state basket-case”?
Petr Tarasov -
It was 17 years ago, well before 9/11, the Patriot Act, Homeland Security and the rest of it.
To be clear, even then I wasn’t interested in living in “the US” but up in the Montana/Wyoming/Idaho region. Real America where real Americans live, not the pussified, communist coasts.
I still might go for it if given the chance. Economically and demographically their prospects are vastly better than the rest of the US. Chuck in som nullification and secession and I’d be there like a shot.
hey Pete you may want to consider Florida, others are
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/wall_st_flees_ny_for_tax_free_fla_Q6e4qSDMUethpylfznC4tO