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WHITE FLIGHT….

By ATWadmin On December 11th, 2006

It says something about the state of modern Britain that almost one in 10 British citizens are living overseas, according to a study of people coming in and out of the UK.  Studies by the Institute for Public Policy Research, published on the BBC News website, indicates that at least 5.5m British-born people live abroad. Figures suggest the rate of departure has been so great that population falls are only masked by immigration.


So, the truth is that our indigenous population plummets by up to one tenth, and our indigenous population replacement rate is way below replacement level of 2.1. Little wonder Government plays lip-service to the concept of immigration control, it’s policies are ensuring that we do need the inflow from Eastern Europe and beyond. Britain is being dissolved and many British people are seeking to get out from the rancid sewer that Blair has created.

34 Responses to “WHITE FLIGHT….”

  1. All being well I will be taking up residence in the South of France for the period of the Brown premiership. Having that vile git raiding my wallet and pension and telling me how to live and running the minutia of peoples lives cradle to grave is just too much to countenance.

    Add to that the prospect of that smug cabal of the intellectual diminished that passes as the Northern Ireland body politic thinking they could run the place and it is becoming silly for anyone with an interest in freedom, doing a day’s work or taking personal responsibility for their actions to stay here.

    At least when the French state does a half decent job of delivering public services.

  2. NRG,

    I fully understand your position. Me? I’m going underground…..

  3. Nice site and interesting info.

    Australia (1.3 million British people) is the big suprise.
    Also that 6 of the top 7 are English-speaking countries.
    By far the biggest proportion of Brits per pop. is in Ireland – 300,000, or about 8% of the total population. Compared to 0.8% share of Irish citizens in Britain.

    Something for Andrew, etc to mull over.

  4. France’s demographics are shocking – muslims are 30% of under-18s so no point in going there to escape.
    For Cunningham, some arithmetic: ROI – 3.5 million, UK – 60 million. 0.8% of 60 million is 480,000. So there are 480,000 Irishmen in the UK and 300,000 Britons in the ROI. Exactly what is Andrew to mull over?

  5. On a broader thought, presumably it is generally the middle classes and the most capable that are quitting the country thus Gordon Brown’s wet dream will be realised – a population amenable to being completely reliant on the state.

  6. Not much of a choice though – Brown, Cameron or that old geezer that replaced Charles Kennedy.

  7. Point taken Allan, but the Eastern end of the Riviera remains agreeably British in nature. The seaside towns around there were largely built and populated by the British (the locals prefered to live in the cooler mountain towns and disliked the coast). Had it not been for the Great War the Riviera could have possibly become a fully fledged local British colony.

    Pip pip

  8. Nearly 300,000 British asylum seekers in the Republic already. Then there’s also the 100,000 Irish who have left Britain and returned home in the last decade.

    In future, I see more and more educated Britons, Germans, French etc. coming to Ireland as their own countries seem more foreign to them.

  9. Allan,
    population of the Republic is now 4.2 million. Lot of immigrants lately.

  10. If we can attract Britons to our shores it will certainly help. Of course they would be expected to assimilate. We don’t want to see ghettos.

  11. David, was that a The Jam reference?

  12. weather has to be a big factor for many. and when i say weather i mean scared of your own shadow.

    actually no i mean weather in the literal sense. or more accuarately, cold horizontal rain.

  13. Daytripper, yeah with you on that, but doesn’t explain exodus to Ireland.

  14. thats why i said ‘for many’.

    i can only assume that many brits have realised there is more oppurtunity in their field of endeavour in the republic. especially so, in the tech sector. i nearly did it myself around the turn of the millenium. i made the right choice, as the telco bubble burst spectacularly shortly after.

  15. NRG,

    Yip!

  16. I made the move abroad some fifteen years ago, and at that time felt more of an exile than an emigrant.

    Now when I return to UK, I feel like a stranger…

  17. Ernest,

    How interesting, and how sad. I feel that under Blair the UK has changed, demonstrably and for the worse and I fear that the next few decades will be worse since there is no longer any conservative opposition.

  18. >>>Now when I return to UK, I feel like a stranger…<<<

    no offense, but its not the governments job to teach english people how to be polite.

  19. We have mpre acces to travel and are able to get "home" quicker than any time in our history, so it is not suprising that we are all more on the move. As technology and communication develop even further, I expect people to be even more itinerant.

  20. >>>We have mpre acces to travel and are able to get "home" quicker than any time in our history, so it is not suprising that we are all more on the move. As technology and communication develop even further, I expect people to be even more itinerant.<<<

    if oil prices continue to rise or dare i say, oil becomes a scarce commodity, is see no option other than the complete opposite. the local community will, no doubt, become a factor in our personal life once again. food will have to be produced and sold locally.

    the fasionable term "food miles" has more to do with this little conundrum, than any green issue, IMO.

  21. >>>Now when I return to UK, I feel like a stranger…<<<

    But is that not due to the fact that nations, like people, are constantly changing and adapting to the times we live in. Im only hitting 30 and yet, the ROI of 2006 looks nothing like the ROI of 1990, even Celtic tiger aside. People are more confident, more materialistic, less friendly, more self centered…

    Is this not the classic situation of an older generation looking at the younger and noting how different things are.

    Or maybe im way off the point, is it the racial mix that you think has changed things ?

  22. DT,

    Who mentioned anything about politeness?

    Strangeness has nothing to do with being polite…

  23. >>>Who mentioned anything about politeness?<<<

    i did.

    >>>Strangeness has nothing to do with being polite.<<<

    it doesnt take much to be polite to strangers. which, in my experience, is something the english seem positively averse to trying. but dont feel so lonely, its an attitude thats been successfully exported to ireland, north and south.

  24. DT,

    Well don’t tar everyone with the same brush..

    That you find it difficult when dealing with others may have more to do with you, than them. Perhaps that thought never crossed your mind!

  25. >>it doesnt take much to be polite to strangers. which, in my experience, is something the english seem positively averse to trying.<<

    Weird, but having traveled over to the UK a good few times in the last few years, hitting Manchester, Liverpool and Leeds amongst others, id found the opposite. I found staff in shops, pubs etc, much more friendly then what Im used to in Dublin these days.

    Again, its a case of not taring everyone with the same brush.

  26. Kloot,

    I suppose some of it may be a generation thing, but not entirely. It could be a seachange in the culture, – pubs that are not really pubs any longer, the tv celeb idolatory, the underlying aggressiveness that seems to permeate everything, and a myriad other small changes, that are perhaps unexpected.

    The lack of manners is really quite marked, all underlined by a generally shoddy feel to places that once, while never being ‘posh’, always had a honest feel about them, – I am talking of the working class area of London where I was raised. Hard to describe but quite a tangible feeling.

    Having lived and travelled in parts foreign for a large part of my life, I think I am quite accustomed to change and differences, which makes the strange feeling here, all the more puzzling.

    I feel quite safe walking around in New York and Miami, but quite apprehensive in London, perhaps you have an answer to that one?, and I am 6’2" and 250 lbs. so it is not a ‘fear for self’ that gives that feeling.

    Then, of course, there is Daytripper, to be lectured by someone less than half my age, on politeness, seems very strange!…:-)

  27. >>>Well don’t tar everyone with the same brush.<<<

    im not. and i wasnt talking about you. merely others lack of willingness welcome a stranger.

    >>>That you find it difficult when dealing with others may have more to do with you, than them. Perhaps that thought never crossed your mind!<<

    i have no difficulty dealing with others. some people can still manage politeness. im usually the one holding the door for grumpy curmudgeons long after theve forgotten how to say thankyou. doesnt stop me doing it tho.

  28. In the case of the ROI, the celtic tiger has had a lot to do with the decline in general civility.

    Up until the late 80’s there was no real middle class in the ROI, at least not to the extent that there is today. Unemployment was rife, working class was the order of the day. I think any of the Roddy Doyle films accurately capture the atmosphere of the day. Times were hard, but people still thought their kids to respect others as much as they respect themselves. People had more respect and also less suspicion of others. In all likelihood you know every parent and kid on your street. Innocent times.

    In celtic ireland, kids are being thought to sort themselves first and others second, if at all. Kids are going around with more and more money, oblivious to how different times used to be. Kids think nothing of ‘earning’ 2000 Euro for their holy communions. People strive more and more towards wealth appreciation, and less and less toward community improvement. There are less people involved in sports, scouts, youth clubs etc.

    Im not saying that times before the celtic tiger were all rosey, far from it. Having been brought up in a large working class family where my dad was unemployed long periods of time, I know how harsh things were. But at the same time, its seems sad that the good aspects of that life had to go out the door when the cash started rolling in.

  29. I think that there is a difference between London and other parts of the country. People here seem to be in a hurry. The don’t expend must effort on the niceties with strangers that they are not going to meet again.

    I soon learned on moving to London to stop smiling at people, e.g. particularly at people who sit beside you on the bus or the tube. I got some strange looks and some stranger invitations.

    At the same time any time I have fallen on the streetor passed out on the tube, people could not be more solicitous.

    I don’t think that it is that Londoners are unfriendly, they are just more reserved.

    Some things ingrainedinto you in clildhood can be hard to shake off. I started to say "thank you" to the ATM last week ;o)

  30. >>>I started to say "thank you" to the ATM last week ;o)<<<

    and you accuse *me* of being drunk!!!

    thats something roley birkin QC would do……….

  31. I had a classic one a couple of weeks back, I was walking out my door on the way to work, early in the morning. There was a guy standing beside a van on the other side of the road on the way out. He said something over to me, which I didnt hear, so I went over to him as I thought he might be looking for directions. When I got to him and apologised for not hearing what he had said, he told me that he was just saying hello to me…. I was so unused to people saying hello to me in Dublin. Down home in wexford though you would still give the nod to people on the streets. So its mostly a city thing.

  32. I think that Belfast is different. Although it may too have changed. I used to notice a marked difference. Shop assistants and waitresses in Belfast would be more likley to get you into chat and have your life storey from you. Even just being in a shop and looking at some stuff, when a stranger would go "Isn’t that lovely", Hardly ever happened to me in London but often in Belfast. It takes me some time to "thaw out" when I go home and "freeze up" when I go back to London, when I need to get ot of the habit of smiling at strangers.

    People who strike up conversations in tubes etc are either, drunk, have mental health problems or have not long left NI. ;o)

  33. I have to admit, I’ll chat with anyone, – in shops, or anywhere. All quite normal where I live in the States, – mind you, I do get some funny looks when here in UK!

    For a hobby, I write short stories, and it is surprising what material there is in just listening to people. I find that an awful lot of folk, particularly the more mature ones, are dreadfully lonely, – it seems to be all part of getting older, empty nest syndrome and all that, thing is, it does not get better as you get older…

    So go talk to an ‘oldie’, who knows you may just make their day!

  34. >>I think that Belfast is different.<<

    Is it not likely that Belfast too will regrettably change as the economy picks up.

    Is it not inevitable that change follows with prosperity, Is it not the case that British people are at their best when times are hard and all are suffering. WWII being the prime example.

    However, the reverse leads to alienation and individuality.