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Hesitation costs lives

By Patrick Van Roy On September 14th, 2014

The Obama Administration is “building a Coalition” to fight the threat of IZZY.  In the meantime IZZY laughs and cuts off another head for a commercial. “Welcome to the vacation land of IZZY you’ll have so much fun, you’ll lose your head”

First I’ll state what should have already been done, then I’ll breakdown what has been achieved so far.

What should have been done is as the President was speaking the other night announcing his plans for cleaning up the mess he has created, Air Strikes should have been taking place.  Due to the lack of ground assets in the area the Aircraft that can be used for bombing are limited.  A larger majority of our planes still only drop guided missiles that require someone on the ground to light the target.

That leaves a select group of Aircraft to hit precise targets without massive collateral casualties,  Cruise Missiles, and Drones.  The group could have been decimated in a single strike in less than an hour.  It wouldn’t have destroyed them but it would have incapacitated them for the 2 years that Obama needs to leave office gracefully. He blew the first opportunity.

The current opportunity and the real problem is IZZY is making $97 Million a Month selling Oil at $40 a Barrel. That makes them a threat that has brought the Arab Nations to draw lines. IZZY controls 3 Oil Fields, 2 in Syria 1 in Iraq. This could be squashed in less than 30 minutes with a Cruise Missile attack.  What is Obama waiting for and why?

If we strike the 3 oil fields we screw them logistically. IZZY is not Al-Qaeda, they are a State and must be dismantled as one. This is the threat that has pushed the Saudis to drag it’s Arab Allies to the Table. The lines that are forming are the same ones that formed under Saudi Leadership in WWI.(The Turks have withdrawn from the group)  The Egyptians are taking the lead in organizing the front against the actual terrorist personnel.  The Saudis are playing the Americans exactly as they played the British to protect their own interests that coincide with ours.  Money over Religion.

As we dither IZZY is moving assets into the heaviest populated areas it can. (They learned from your reaction over Gaza). They can not however move Oil Fields. The only committed ground Forces are the Iraqis and the Kurds. That means until the Egyptians organize an actual Assault on Libya and wherever else they feel a threat the only ground fighting takes place in Iraq. The only two Nations to commit Air Power at this point are France and Iraq, so we will be doing all the bombing. Add to that the Russians have threatened that U.S. attacks in Syria would be a “gross violation” of international law.

A Russian foreign ministry spokesman said any such action, without the backing of the UN, would be “an act of aggression”. (so what?)

The longer the first strikes drag out the more civilians will die.

26 Responses to “Hesitation costs lives”

  1. You have to think like the enemy Troll.

    Your izzy chaps will herd civilians around the oil terminals to prevent the bombing, and no doubt there’ll be a point when a drone attack will be announced by izzy as having killed captured hostages as well, whether it’s true or not.

    Nope, I’m afraid it’s gonna have to be boots-on-the-ground (preferably with feet inside them), cos nothing else will work.

  2. That leaves a select group of Aircraft to hit precise targets without massive collateral casualties

    You never worried about ‘collateral casualties’ in the past, why start now?

    Your military strategy is impressive. Which military academy did you attend?

  3. Bernard and Paul for that matter. I could careless about civilian casualties. The current Administration however is quite “sensitive” on them. Though he’ll blow the shit out of 1000s of them as long as he can say to the American public and more importantly himself that he put no boots on the ground.

    Obama doesn’t want to do this, he has no choice. He has already screwed it up and cost lives by dithering around trying to figure out how to cover his ass so that when this goes in the toilet it’s someone else fault. The Iraqis weren’t committed enough, the Kurds couldn’t be trusted, He got no support from other Nations…. the list is endless.

    It’s time to kill. People besides the primary targets will die…. so what. It’s their neighbors that are acting up. If they didn’t want to die they should have stopped them themselves. I shed not one tear for the newest born that will die. I do say because of Obama’s dithering more of those sweet innocents… boo hoo will die.

    If he cared about them the way he says he does he would have acted already.

  4. A Russian foreign ministry spokesman said any such action, without the backing of the UN, would be “an act of aggression”. (so what?)

    So it would breach the laws of war, making the Presudent a war criminal.

    People have left here because of this bombastic drivel about killing civilians. Men don’t talk like that. Stop it.

    First, what’s the IS threat to the West?

  5. All decent people have a moral and security interest in crushing this force.

    They murdered a British man who had done no wrong. It was in all the papers.

    If you think that they’d not attack Britain itself someday, you’re not listening to what they have been saying.

  6. They murdered a British man who had done no wrong. It was in all the papers.

    So what, that’s no casus belli and it doesn’t make IS any more of a threat to us than it was last week.

    Two British men were murdered in Florida a couple of years ago. We’ll have the RAF bomb Miami or something now, yes?

    Two Americans have been murdered by ISIS, and probably ten times that number were killed this weekend in Chicago. By your logic, special forces should be painting black neighbourhoods for the USAF.

    I’m sorry, the murders of hostages, as nasty as it is, is no justification for wars of aggression which will kill many more civilians. War against IS is justified, or not, only on the threat and acts against us here at home.

  7. No Pete people have not left here for that reason. Keep your lies and your fantasy world to your own threads please.

  8. Another rocket scientist Oh the US Government killed it’s own people to get oil, Putin is a humanitarian hero savior of the Ukraine from the Americans and the EU…. and a hundred other piles of crap that you have spewed on these pages.

    Now we have poor poor IZZY why gee they don’t mean no harm. They are killing Brits and Americans in Commercials saying they are coming to kill us both. They are chopping the heads off of Christians in the streets demanding they convert or die, they are placing the woman into slavery all while clearing 100 million a month from oil sales.

    No just because they say they are the Caliphate and it is their Sacred Duty to kill all the infidels in the world so that their Prophet can walk the Earth. That every day they kill 100s have driven 1000s from their homes. Are actually crucifying people on the side of the road.

    No their no threat…. but those evil americans their the ones you have to watch. They started it by killing 3000 of their own and blaming it on Islamists.

    Do you know how much of an ass the things you write make you look like Pete?

    I’m a bloody bastard but you’re a joke.

  9. Yeah, IS does those things. And it’s our problem how? You liberals with your fancy liberal interventions can’t even answer Question No 1.

  10. An innocent living British man has his head sawed off and this guy says so what.

    British and other governments including the US have through history taken action against those who have molested their citizens abroad.

    It is a proper role of a state.

    And if two British people were killed by an organization in Miami that said it would kill again, and no one was doing anything about it, the RAF would be correct in bombing them in Miami.

  11. Pete it has nothing to do with you as you say, you see no IZZYs walking down your streets. So why are you even commenting?

    This is a Pro British/Pro American Site. Yet you are anti both. You are against everyone of both Nations policies, and you don’t even bother to vote. You see no threats to anything except threats that come from the US/Britain or the Jews.

    So I ask you the number 1 question.

    Why should anyone here care what you have to say about anything? Answer that.

  12. Right Phantom, so the way to avenge the murder of three innocents is to launch a war which will kill many more innocents, not destroy IS and guarantee blowback at home. Yes, that strategy has always been a winner.

    It’s time you ran for office.

  13. Troll –

    Pete it has nothing to do with you as you say, you see no IZZYs walking down your streets. So why are you even commenting?

    Nature abhors a vacuum, like the one between your ears. The dreary, liberal conformist words you bring here from crappy neocon sites deserve “a dissenting review of contemporary British and American politics”, as it says at the top of the page.

  14. It is noted that you guys didn’t want to take any action against Here Hitler either.

    The proper lesson from history is that pure evil – is there any doubt that is what we speak of here?-left unchecked will metastasize.

    They will attack you in the UK regardless of what you do.

    Washing your hands now Pontius Pilate / Ron Paul style now only means that the fight will be joined when they are stronger than now.

  15. No Phantom, you cherry pick your pure evil.

    Women, children and the elderly were murdered in Donetsk today, and it was done by pure evil which shelled them on the streets of their home city. The evil forces which did this are supported by those who are not only in the UK, they govern the UK.

    The heads of those forces kiss our governments and are being materially supported by them. And they’re pure evil because today, like on many other days, they murdered innocents.

    And not only do you not give a monkey’s, you aregue in favour of that evil on this blog. So your accusations are waved aside.

  16. Nothing should be done about the murder of British people because you support Russian aggression in Ukraine?

    Wow, some theory that one is.

  17. Are all American men devoid of brains now?

    Phantom –

    If Washington hadn’t rampaged across the Middle East after 9/11 there wouldn’t be an IS now! You supported that craziness, so stop pointing fingers elsewhere now.

    A bit of humility and some welcome schtum from the likes of you is well overdue.

  18. If Washington hadn’t rampaged across the Middle East after 9/11 there wouldn’t be an IS now!

    That is not necessarily true.

    And in any event

    – we are here, now. The past will not be undone.

    – Islamics have acted like this countless times over the past 1400 years. I assume you blame all of this 1400 year trail of blood on GW Bush and the dreaded ” neocons “

  19. //If Washington hadn’t rampaged across the Middle East after 9/11 there wouldn’t be an IS now//

    That’s debatable.

    The “Arab Spring” (alas, has to be in inverted commas now) started in Tunisia and spread to Yemen, Bahrain and later Syria, none of them places where the US had been pushing anyone around. It was driven as much by unemployment and hopelessness as by Islamic fundamentalism, and probably least of all by hatred for the US.
    However, the Islamists saw their opportunity and got involved in the protests and uprisings wherever they could. With their fanaticism and dedication, as well as their resources and links to supporters abroad, they were able to make more headway than the more liberal elements in the uprisings. That’s what we’re facing today.

    The US has commited more than its share of sins in the Middle East, and for various reasons has very little credibility there, but it isn’t responsible for ISIS (apart from its recruiting role in funding Israel, which is little more than a propaganda aside for ISIS). In fact, it can fairly be argued that, without a US invasion of Iraq, there would almost certainly have been an uprising against Saddam around the same time as the uprisings against practically every other dictatorship in the region. If it had prevailed, Iraq would probably have decended into the same sectarian slaughter we’ve been seeing since Bush’s invasion. It’s possible that an ISIS force would then have emerged in the northern regions anyway, the same as it emerged in Syria, where the US has had no presence.

    You see, radical islamists have a habit of taking over from anarchy; the Taleban moved in to end a very similar situation in Afghanistan in 1994. It’s the brutal simplicity of their methods that attracts – no ideology, no politics, no opportunistic alliances: just kill everyone that gets in the way.

  20. Noel Cunningham –

    You misread the situation.

    ISIS has nothing to do with the Arab Spring. ISIS is a Sunni reaction against Shiite aggression in Iraq. It grew out of Al Qaeda in Iraq. We’ll recall that there was no Al-Q in Iraq before Washington “liberated” the country and installed a Shia,, pro-Tehran government which was extremely hostile to Iraqi Sunnis.

    AL-Q in Iraq was a reaction against this, and then ISIS. The Arab Spring is other business in other countries and it’s predated by the events which led to ISIS coming together.

    No really, if Washington created the conditions for ISIS to come about.

  21. Good comment Noel, refreshingly devoid of the usual “lets try and blame everything on my biggest hate figure” mantra that passes for a lot of commentary on this topic.

  22. Yes I agree with Colm, Noel’s historical ‘reprise’ is soundly argued.

  23. Noel gives a solid argument, I would differ with him on minor points, but they are just that Minor.

    The Kurds are in the North in Iraq IZZY could never have formed there. The Islamist hatred of the Jews goes back 1000s of years before America was even settled so the whole recruitment thing as with most recruitment theories is just nonsense.

    People join these groups out of fear, poverty, and a wanting to belong. No outside force is involved except from the recruiting group itself.

    Pete AQ was in Iraq they were there from before we invaded. They didn’t launch any attacks from there, and Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. It was however a safe haven for terrorists, and part of the AQ network was there.

    IZZY started in Syria not Iraq. It moved into Iraq and claimed a large swath of it because Obama abandoned the Country and they were rich easy targets.

  24. Pete Moore, on September 14th, 2014 at 9:06 PM Said: Edit Comment

    Troll –

    Pete it has nothing to do with you as you say, you see no IZZYs walking down your streets. So why are you even commenting?

    Nature abhors a vacuum, like the one between your ears. The dreary, liberal conformist words you bring here from crappy neocon sites deserve “a dissenting review of contemporary British and American politics”, as it says at the top of the page.

    So today I’m a Liberal, yet a Liberal that posts neocon material, yesterday I was GOP, tomorrow I’ll be a Zionist. That one you would be right … maybe that’s why it hasn’t crossed your mind to call me it?

    Pete you don’t provide dissent. You provide pathetic anarchistic rants and conspiracy theories that are just sad. They aren’t even worth laughing at. You are the example of what David Hannum said was born every minute.

  25. The Arab Spring turned into the Arab Winter very fast.

  26. it was never a spring, it was a warning balloon that was not heeded