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Dig, dig, dig, KILL

By Mike Cunningham On November 5th, 2014

 

Israel defends herself against terrorist tunnels, along with the terrorists who use them, and gets worldwide denunciation for its totally justified actions.

Egypt demolishes 800 homes, tunnels and terror bases, and gets………………………Not a single Sound!

I wonder why!

 

 

66 Responses to “Dig, dig, dig, KILL”

  1. //Egypt demolishes 800 homes, ..and gets………………………Not a single Sound!

    I wonder why!//

    Well, Mike, you can stop wondering. The homes are in Egypt.

    That’s only one reason, mind.

  2. The Egyptian military is not known for its light touch. A heavy handed response to a heavy handed threat. However, they didn’t bomb civilian centers in the reckless manner that Israel did in the most recent go around.

  3. You still haven’t given an alternate means of attacking the Hamas missile teams that Israel could have used to stop them.

    The IDF would appreciate the military strategy tips.

  4. The tunnels need to be closed by any means necessary.

    A tip of the hat to Egypt.

  5. Phantom, attacking them is no good. Even if they could all be destroyed – which they can’t – new ones would spring up again almost immediately. People with a grudge are very inventive, and when they have the population behind them they also tend to be very resourceful.

    No, stopping them is what Israel needs. Even the Israeli military and govt know that military attacks won’t stop them; in many ways they make the situation worse. Israel has launched such punitive drives about 10 times over the past few years, killed thousands of people, civilian and military, and it still is no nearer solving its problem with rockets.

    Rockets will only finally stop when there is a peace deal with the Palestinians. That means recognising their homeland, their right to live in peace and without Israeli political and economic domination. A majority of Palestinians have recognised Israel’s right to the same (and a huge majority have recognised it tentatively), so we just have to wait for Israelis to do the same.

    As long as they’re getting political and financial support and the means to continue their war games, they will probably continue to take the easy road. And as long as they do, they’re going to have to live with rockets and even worse surprises.

  6. Noel that’s funny. Point by point reverse everything you wrote and you will have a more accurate representation.

    Mahons how were the Israelis reckless? They warned them with leaflets and warning shots.

  7. There is only one solution – bomb them. bomb the tunnels. Bomb the tunnel builders. Bomb the families of the tunnelers. Bomb anyone associated with them. Bomb anyone living within a ten mile radius of any tunnel. Bomb anyone who has ever shown the slightest sign of support for tunnels. Bomb the pets of the tunnelers. Bomb their houses. Bomb their businesses. Bomb their schools and their shops. And when you’ve bombed all that, scoop up the bloody remains and bomb them all over again. Just to make sure.

    Oh – and bomb anyone who suggests a peaceful solution.

  8. how do you make peace with people who don’t want peace?

    Seimi do you believe that the Palestinians want peace? What do you base that on?

  9. They warned them with leaflets and warning shots

    Yeah, those four little kids that were bombed playing on a beach got a fair warning.

    Don’t worry civillians, we’ll try not to kill you when we bomb your homes.

  10. ahhh lets all cry now.

    Civilians die in war Paul. Where is outcry over Palestinians shooting rocket purposefully at civilian targets?

    If you expect outrage or condemnation of civilians being killed on one side you have to condemn it on both.

    Yet I see no condemnation from you on the behavior of the Pallies, why not?

  11. Actually, according to reporters on the ground, more Palestinian civilians were killed by those “warning shots” alone than Israeli civilians were killed in the conflict.

    Maybe Phantom and Troll would be mollified if Hamas fired warning rockets at Israel.

  12. Actually, according to reporters on the ground, more Palestinian civilians were killed by those “warning shots” alone than Israeli civilians were killed in the conflict.

    Maybe Phantom and Troll would be mollified if Hamas fired warning rockets at Israeli homes.

  13. Its been some years and I’ve still not heard practical advice on an alternate plan to destroy the rocket launchers.

    I think that some of those who support the Palestinians think that its OK for Hamas to launch rockets and that no effective measures should be taken to destroy them.

    This is one of the reasons why the civilian casualties will continue.

  14. Civilians die in war Paul. Where is outcry over Palestinians shooting rocket purposefully at civilian targets?
    If you expect outrage or condemnation of civilians being killed on one side you have to condemn it on both.
    Yet I see no condemnation from you on the behavior of the Pallies, why not?

    If you go back over previous threads you’ll see that I have consistently condemned Palestinians for killing civillians. Are you willing to do the same?

    Its been some years and I’ve still not heard practical advice on an alternate plan to destroy the rocket launchers

    Engaging seriously in a true two state negotiation with disposessed Palestinians getting financial reparation, Israel withdrawing to its pre 1967 borders and internationally garunteed unfettered access between the West Bank and Gaza would stop those rockets being fired Phantom.

  15. Israel has the right to destroy all rocket facilities firing at them at any time.

    Do we all agree on that?

    There is a case to be made for what you propose, but that does not mean that Israel does not get to defend itself.

  16. Bill Clinton gave Arafat everything he wanted and he turned it down and started the intifada.

  17. In October of 2000, with the help of President Clinton, Palestinian Chairman Arafat and Israel’s prime minister Ehud Barak tried to reach a final agreement in Camp David. In exchange for peace, Israel offered Arafat an independent Palestinian State, 95% of the West Bank and Gaza and half of Jerusalem as described in the history page. Arafat refused and the Palestinians started their homicide/suicide bombings and their current attempt to destroy Israel.

  18. If Arafat never agreed to it, we can’t say that he was given everything that he wanted.

    I’d think that he wanted 100% of the West Bank.

    And 100% of Israel at some future date.

  19. the point is you can’t make peace if one side refuses. Arafat and his team never even offered a counter.

  20. //Israel has the right to destroy all rocket facilities firing at them at any time.

    Do we all agree on that?//

    Of course it has. The same as the Palestinians have a right to destroy those firing at them and robbing their land at any time.

    Do we all agree on that?

  21. That’s a fine way to keep this thing going forward forever.

    The Israelis, who are no saints, would be happy to never fire on Gaza ever again if there was no firing coming from there, etc.

    But the larger issue is another beer summit discussion perhaps.

    It is indeed interesting that the Egyptian action provokes no outrage. Bravo Egypt.

  22. One of the few relative exceptions to the Arab Winter has been Egypt, and that is largely due to the actions of the Army.

    Not everywhere is suited for Swiss or Scandinavian style democracy.

  23. so Noel in your opinion what land is palestinian and what land is jewish?

  24. Troll, could you post a link to that claim?

    I’m sure with its ‘their homicide/suicide bombings and their current attempt to destroy Israel’ its a totally impartial nonpartisan analysis of the subject.

    Besides that fact that Arafat is dead of course.

    And 100% of Israel at some future date

    I don’t think that was the case at all Phantom.

  25. no you look it up

  26. Yeah Troll, that’s what I thought. Not content with making up your own lies you now rely on others.

    I’ll go for a slightly less biased account which negates both ‘the Pallies didn’t want peace’ and Phantom’s ‘100% of Israel’ if you don’t mind:

    Many have come to believe that the Palestinians’ rejection of the Camp David ideas exposed an underlying rejection of Israel’s right to exist. But consider the facts: The Palestinians were arguing for the creation of a Palestinian state based on the June 4, 1967, borders, living alongside Israel. They accepted the notion of Israeli annexation of West Bank territory to accommodate settlement blocs. They accepted the principle of Israeli sovereignty over the Jewish neighborhoods of East Jerusalem — neighborhoods that were not part of Israel before the Six Day War in 1967. And, while they insisted on recognition of the refugees’ right of return, they agreed that it should be implemented in a manner that protected Israel’s demographic and security interests by limiting the number of returnees. No other Arab party that has negotiated with Israel — not Anwar el-Sadat’s Egypt, not King Hussein’s Jordan, let alone Hafez al-Assad’s Syria — ever came close to even considering such compromises

    http://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/08/opinion/fictions-about-the-failure-at-camp-david.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm

  27. Paul

    Arafat didn’t accept that deal because he wanted to live to see the next month.

    I think that there are very many Palestinians who want 100% of Israel. I certainly understand their position. They were the ones that Arafat feared.

  28. If it’s all the same Phantom I’m going to take the considered analysis of Robert Malley, American lawyer, political scientist and specialist in conflict resolution, who was actually there as a member of the negotiating team in his capacity as Special Assistant to President Clinton for Arab-Israeli Affairs over your assumptions thanks.

  29. //The Israelis, who are no saints, would be happy to never fire on Gaza ever again if there was no firing coming from there, etc.//

    Are you serious? You think the Israelis would be happy never to fire again if the Palestinians were occupying and colonising large parts of Israel?

    I mean, Hitler would probably also have have been happy never to fire on the Allies in 1944 if there was no firing coming from their side and as long as he could keep western Europe.

    Please tell me the pro-Israel arguments aren’t as stupid as that!

    //Noel in your opinion what land is palestinian and what land is jewish?//

    Palestinian land is Palestine and Jewish land is most of Israel and certain parts of Manhattan, I’m told.

  30. Noel you really aren’t that bright are you? Shame, you’re angry just not intelligent enough to use that anger …lol

  31. Phantom, they have no need to fire randomly into a place that can’t shoot straight. This is not to forgive Hamas who wants their own people killed, but Israel knows better and fired away anyway.

  32. Do you support their right to fire at any location where missiles come from?

  33. No.

  34. Well now.

    Which locations should be exempt from retaliatory fire?

  35. Densely populated civilian centers where non-effective fire came from would be a start. By the way, did Israel gain support and eliminate it’s enemies by firing on Gaza?

  36. I haven’t heard of any missiles near the airport today

    On this, they’re not seeking support. They’re trying to stop deadly missiles from entering their country.

  37. They know that Hamas was ineffective and they could use the excuse to bomb away.

  38. They killed Arabs which is less than killing dogs to a significant part of their electorate, pumped up domestic support for being tough, and figured we would not dare cut off the credit card.

  39. None of which forgives the vicious bastards in Hamas for their death cult.

  40. no one is seeking forgiveness, they are seeking an end.

    You condemn both sides. Both sides however are not equal. Hamas fires 1000s of missiles from schools, mosques, peoples homes, they fire them randomly at populated areas the more populated and the more soft the target the more they celebrate.

    Your response is that they should not respond.

    So if crack dealers move into your neighborhood and randomly kill children and woman because they want to control your neighborhood through terror and intimidation the cops should do nothing. That’s awful cavalier of you. The safety of your children I take it means nothing then, because that is what you demand of the Israelis.

  41. There is only one way to stop that kind of violence mahons, it’s done with greater violence.

  42. but hey your children and wife are more valuable than Israeli right?

  43. Noel said;

    Even if they could all be destroyed – which they can’t – new ones would spring up again almost immediately.

    They can be destroyed, and no, they will not spring up ‘immediately’. They are tunnels, and it takes time and resources to construct.

    Rockets will only finally stop when there is a peace deal with the Palestinians.

    No ! Rockets will only stop firing once every last Israeli is either driven from the Middle East or, they are ALL killed. They have said that themselves. Israel has traded land for peace with its neighbours, so why cannot the Palestinians ?

    Hamas have killed many of their own people. Wherever you look across the MENA, I see persecution and death of innocents.Apart from the Palestinians, who else is Israel persecuting ad killing ?

  44. //They can be destroyed, and no, they will not spring up ‘immediately’. They are tunnels, //

    Mark, my “they” was referring to the “teams” of Hamas fighters than Phantom asked about. I’m afraid “they” will really spring up immediately.

    What makes people think Hamas is less resilient than the IRA or the Israel-Palestine conflict more easily resolved than the Troubles in Northern Ireland?

    Even the slightest knowledge of Hamas and similar organisations should tell you that they are made up of desperados, more than willing to risk their lives if they can hit the enemy.

    There is obviously going to be no peace in Israel unless and until it reaches a deal with Palestinians. No people can be expected to stand idly by while their land is being taken from under their feet and they reduced to 2nd rate citizenship in their own country.
    They are going to resist, and the party doing the colonising and oppression has only itself to blame.

  45. Which locations should be exempt from retaliatory fire?

    Surely with the amount of satellite surveillance on Gaza the multi billion dollar Israeli war machine should be able to immediately pinpoint a rocket position and drone strike it?

    That is of course if you were concerned about being at best reckless with civillian lives

    You condemn both sides. Both sides however are not equal

    Correct, there have been twenty odd deaths caused by Hamas rockets in more than ten years. Israel caused more than two thousand deaths in Gaza between July and August.

    Unequal is an understatement.

  46. Israel has a right to respond, even militarily, but not in the way they have. And if the response was made in conjunction with reversing their settlement policy they wouldn’t dismay their friends and swell the ranks of their enemies.

  47. OK go with what Paul said, use the satellites and the drones.

    The instant a missile is launched strike that building if as the pallies choose to do as they have and fire those rockets from schools hospitals mosques and the roofs of houses then fuck em.

    They declare those sites as non-civilian so all the deaths are legitimate targets.

    I see no problem with that, great idea Paul

  48. Mahons answer my question about the crack dealers please.

  49. Correct, there have been twenty odd deaths caused by Hamas rockets in more than ten years. Israel caused more than two thousand deaths in Gaza between July and August.

    Unequal is an understatement.

    What is the correct ratio? There would have been zero Gazan deaths had Hamas and others not fired rockets from the Gazan homeland.

    even militarily

    Why how magnanimous! I thought that the maximum response would be to write a strongly worded protest letter in the Jerusalem Post!

  50. The instant a missile is launched strike that building if as the pallies choose to do as they have and fire those rockets from schools hospitals mosques and the roofs of houses then fuck em

    Except the claim about hospitals, schools etc has been disputed by third parties. What if the Israelis are teaching the Pallies a lesson by deliberately targetting civillian and civillian installations should they be condemned?

    What is the correct ratio?

    I know that more than two thousand in two months against twenty odd in ten years is the incorrect one.

    There would have been zero Gazan deaths had Hamas and others not fired rockets from the Gazan homeland

    Another one of your assumptions that I disagree with.

  51. The goal of a military is to have zero deaths among your own population caused by a hostile force.

    The goal of the world should be to have zero Israeli missiles fired into Gaza and zero missiles from the Gazans into Israel. Without getting into other ( valid ) areas of conversations, then do you agree that a goal of zero missiles from anyone without any preconditions is a useful starting point.

  52. I missed your question about Crack dealers Troll, but my advice to you is not to buy from them.

  53. A more fitting analogy would be a family moving into a Crack dealers neighborhood, and not the other way around. But even then while force might very well be necessary to eradicate the Crack dealers, such force should be restrained so as not to kill hundreds of innocent neighbors.

  54. Phantom -some here feel any military response by Israel is unwarranted. I am not one of them, and point that out for the soft of head brigade who think that criticism of Israel means antisemitism on every occassion.

  55. Send ARod to Gaza

  56. //Without getting into other ( valid ) areas of conversations, then do you agree that a goal of zero missiles from anyone without any preconditions is a useful starting point.//

    Don’t be ridiculous. You are saying that Israel should be able to steal Palestinian without fear of response.
    Sorry, it doesnt work like that. You are, of course, free to tell us how Americans would respond if their land was occupied and they were denied basic rights.

    Both Israel and the Palestinians have a right to respond to crimes committed against them from the respective other territory.

    Even apart from the continuing occupation, land robbery, blockades etc. – each of which is in itself an act of war and justifies military response – Israel in this case went on a killing spree into Palestine which left several people dead, all before those rockets that upset you so much were fired.

    The Palestinians may of course work politically and with cease fires, and I hope they do as every death is to be regretted, but they are more than justified in fighting Israeli occupation and oppression if they choose – both morally and legally.

  57. Noel is more Palestinian than the Palestinians, while Troll is more Israeli than the Israelis.

  58. Good line.

  59. Paul do you dispute the UN Aid sites where the tunnels led and rockets were found?

    but you actually state the honest result of the view of people like you. Even if they use the satellites and drones and strike the launch sites instantly you will say that the Israelis lied.

    The only solution for many on here is that the jews go and walk into the ovens voluntarily vacate all the land where they were from for 1000s of years to the pallies and die.

    Yes the pallies are also from that same area though a large part of them are from Jordan and other areas the pallies refuse to make peace not the jews.

    Both sides have done wrong. However every effort to settle the dispute has been denied by the pallies.

    This is not England and Ireland. Unlike the Brits the Israelis are willing to hunt down and kill those committing acts of terror.

    The Israelis do not fire the first shots, they usually do fire the last shots in every battle. As long as the pallies keep attacking the jews will keep responding, and my country will keep guaranteeing that Israel is ALWAYS better armed and better defended.

  60. Mahons, on November 6th, 2014 at 1:39 PM Said:

    A more fitting analogy would be a family moving into a Crack dealers neighborhood, and not the other way around.

    so you deny that this is the jewish homeland?

  61. Phantom, on November 6th, 2014 at 1:56 PM Said:

    Noel is more Palestinian than the Palestinians, while Troll is more Israeli than the Israelis.

    I like that 😉

  62. Do you agree that a goal of zero missiles from anyone without any preconditions is a useful starting point

    If only to mantain the status quo no, as a starting point to what I outlined as a potential solution above yes.

    Paul do you dispute the UN Aid sites where the tunnels led and rockets were found?

    I haven’t seen any credible evidence that suggests that every hospital, school, Mosque or home that the IDF bombed was either a rocket position or a UN aided site. If you have any please link to it and bear in mind I said credible unlike that rubbish about Camp David you posted above.

    Even if they use the satellites and drones and strike the launch sites instantly you will say that the Israelis lied.

    No I won’t. Look, people like Mark Regev have been proven to be liars in the past but if they provide irrefuteable evidence how can it be denied?

    The only solution for many on here is that the jews go and walk into the ovens voluntarily

    Ahhh, I was wondering when you were going to attempt emotional blackmail to bolster your weak argument.

    Look, those ovens haven’t existed for now on seventy years not to mention that there are also survivors and children of survivors of that evil which absolutely disagree with Israeli policy as regards Palestinian land.

    Get over yourself and stop feeling faux empathy for others who experienced something you never have nor never will.

  63. The only solution for many on here is that the jews go and walk into the ovens voluntarily

    Troll – are jews microwaveable?

  64. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W0EL_fxZZg

    The host of the financial show the ‘Keiser Report’ and former stock broker, Max Keiser, has been a vocal critic of the BBC and their biased nature towards Israel. In an interview in August of this year, Keiser reveals that he was prohibited from mentioning “Israel in any context” when he hosted a show on BBC World News:

    “When we were doing a show for BBC World News called ‘The Oracle’ with Max Keiser a couple of years ago, we only got one editorial direction, and that is we could not mention Israel in any context.”

    Keiser then quit his BBC show due to the editorial policy of the broadcaster, tweeting:

    “As I’ve stated many time before, I quit my BBC show because of their standing edict that I could not mention Israel in any context.”

  65. Do I deny God gave land to some at the exclusion of others? Of course.

  66. //Noel is more Palestinian than the Palestinians, while Troll is more Israeli than the Israelis.//

    Don’t tell me there’s actually one ATW American who believes the Palestinians have a right to defend themselves?

    Troll, my brother! A belated welcome to the world of sanity.