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The Sodomite’s Charter

By Mike Cunningham On March 14th, 2015

A copy of a letter sent to three of our local newspapers.

It is a subject upon which I have strong views.

For the attention of the Editor

Dear Sir,

As the British General Election is just around the corner, I would take this opportunity to remind your readers what has been abolished, ‘IN YOUR NAME’, by the ghastly Tory/Lib-Dim coalition, aided by the fellow-travellers of the Labour Party. The voters of Britain, barring Northern Ireland of course, have had their Marriages abolished by the Tories, Labour and of course the simpering Lib-Dims, and had ‘Equality’ dumped in their unprotesting laps instead. Yes folks, you, along with some twenty-five million other married people have been made equal, by Act of Parliament, to a bunch of perverts, homosexuals, lesbians and other weirdos by the Same-Sex Marriage Act.

You were not asked if you wished this  transition, which gives ‘equality’ to a bunch whose prime drive is buggery and sodomy. When a ‘Consultation’ was undertaken on the suitability and acceptability of this Legislation, some 600,000-odd signatures on a petition were treated as ONE voice, and of course were disregarded by the gay-friendly mob in Westminster, because they wanted this Act to go through. 400-odd voted for it, with only 170 against; because the gay lobby, which desires your children to be told that homosexuality is not a perversion, pushed for this despicable legislation to pass.

No conscience clauses were accepted, no exceptions were made, you do as you are told!

So, in finishing, remember that your Marriage was diminished last year; your Marriage, when you either stood and made your vows before your God, or stood and promised in a Registry Office was diminished by a bunch of politicians who never ever asked if you cared. Remember that diminution when you stand in the Ballot Booth on May 7th; and treat them accordingly!

Regards

Mike Cunningham

185 Responses to “The Sodomite’s Charter”

  1. Thankfully the vast majority of voters will sensibly be far more concerned with much more important matters that really affect their lives than being bothered with this issue.

  2. Mike – if anything, you make a slight under-statement. It’s not so much that “the gay lobby desires your children to be told that homosexuality is not a perversion,….”: the gay lobby actually desires your children. By ‘gay lobby’, I mean the activist in-yer-face homos who cause embarrassment to those gays who are more restrained

  3. //remember that your Marriage was diminished last year//

    What time of the year was that? You see, I never noticed my marriage changing in any way last year.
    Maybe it was when we were away on holidays. Or perhaps that week when my wife seemed to have headaches all the time. I was actually wondering a bit about that….

    If your marriage was affected by legislation allowing other people marry, Mike, your marriage must be a very shaky one indeed. I’d say any confident man living with his full-blooded wife would be indifferent to who, how and where others get married. He should be content with what he’s got, and not allow his male self-assurance be undermined by the fact that John and Jim down the road, who’d already been living together for years, now have a legal and bureaucratic seal on their relationship.
    Any man who lets his marriage be upset by that is one big pussy.

  4. I hope you actually sent them a real written letter Mike, rather than an email which usually gets only a cursory glance, and seldom a reply.

  5. I’m going to marry my partner and then divorce her in protest at this diminishing of marital values.

  6. Bernard,

    Fortunately, our local newspapers run thriving letter pages, with all of my letters printed on newsprint, and published online.

  7. Noel

    I don’t believe Mike thinks his marriage has been undermined one tiny bit by the fact that same sex couples can now marry. His letter just needs padding out with ridiculous reasons for being ‘outraged’ by a completely benign legislative change that will harm absolutely no-one.

  8. I wonder if ‘having your marriage abolished’ is grounds for annulment in Church Law?

    I suspect that your average Cannon lawyer would laugh in your face if such grounds were proffered as a result of this sensationalist rubbish.

    So, in finishing, remember that your Marriage was diminished last year; your Marriage, when you either stood and made your vows before your God, or stood and promised in a Registry Office was diminished by a bunch of politicians who never ever asked if you cared. Remember that diminution when you stand in the Ballot Booth on May 7th; and treat them accordingly!

    There’s the nub there. Likely that some UKIP malcontented type is cynically trying to exploit the votes of the gullible with this hyperbolic guff with a view to getting as many noses into the trough in May as possible.

    The gay lobby actually desires your children

    And once more the obsessive Aberdonian tries to equate homosexuality with pedophilia even though statistically pedophiles are overwhelmingly likely to be hetrosexual males.

  9. And once more the obsessive Aberdonian tries to equate homosexuality with pedophilia even though statistically pedophiles are overwhelmingly likely to be hetrosexual males.

    I’ve noticed that the label ‘obsessive’ is attached to anybody who points out what is obvious to everybody except the idiot who doesn’t get it. Let’s run with this one.

    A paedophile is a sexual deviant who preys upon children and the deviance is obvious because children are not mature enough for sexual relations. A homosexual is a sexual deviant because the human sex organs are known in biological terms where to fit and why hence anything else is unnatural. That one deviance should support another is as unlikely as saying that a heroin user hasn’t smoked cannabis – oops, yes, that’s unlikely, isn’t it?

    Going back a mere two years shows how far things have deteriorated:

    http://www.atangledweb.org/?p=42220

    Repeat – the ‘gay lobby’ seeks the right to bugger 13-year-old boys: it’s what they want.

  10. I’ve noticed that the label ‘obsessive’ is attached to anybody who points out what is obvious to everybody

    No, I use obsessive with you in the sense of your obsessive paranoia regarding the Joooos taking over the world and destroying western civilisation, (and please, no tenuous links pleas as ‘evidence’), myself, and I suspect most here, are bored with suck outlandish monotonous regularity, I’d say that your obsession is obvious to all here and it’s you who is ‘the idiot who doesn’t get it’

    A homosexual is a sexual deviant because the human sex organs are known in biological terms where to fit and why hence anything else is unnatural. That one deviance should support another is as unlikely as saying that a heroin user hasn’t smoked cannabis

    Is it? another one of your 2+2= 529 ‘theories’

  11. Let’s continue the examination of the matter.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2015/03/04/abc-familys-the-fosters-airs-youngest-ever-gay-kiss-between-two-13-year-old-boys/

    The ABC Family drama The Fosters made television history Monday night for featuring the youngest ever dramatized gay kiss, as characters Jude and Connor, both 13, locked lips after some awkward flirting.

    The show’s creator, Peter Paige, (Queer as Folk,) tweeted his excitement at the scene immediately following the broadcast.

    Set in a mixed family environment, The Fosters are a diverse group of children, both biological and adopted, whom an interracial lesbian couple cares for, according to the show’s IMDB page.

    Paul – who write scripts which have 13-year-old boys kissing? I would reckon that those who write the scripts are several years older than 13, and that they are a) male and b) homosexual.

    The gay lobby doesn’t merely want children to accept homosexual practices as ‘normal’ and have such deviancy ‘taught’ in schools, but the activists really do want the right to bugger 13-year-olds with impunity.

  12. Allan’s argument is devoid of even the most basic logic. If it is the case that because some people are attracted to the same sex means they will also desire or be sympathetic to sex with minors of the same gender is then surely the same would apply to those attracted to the opposite sex. Do most heterosexual men also seek to penetrate 12 year old girls or wish to see such things legalised ? Of course not, and the same would clearly be true of adult homosexuals.

    However, the fact that Allan had to steer a topic about adult same sex marriage into one of child rape shows he is devoid of concrete arguments against equal legal treatment of gay people and has to divert into the scaremongering ‘paedophile’ red herring.

  13. Colm – if you open the link to a previous argument on this subject as provided at 2.44pm, you’ll see the points made and evidence provided for what the ‘gay lobby’ wants. Let’s take a look:

    Pete Moore, on May 10th, 2013 at 10:28 AM Said:
    Colm –

    “The principle of campaigning for legal equality is nothing to do with demanding the right to have sex with juveniles ..”

    There is a link in the broader campaign, though in this particular case I don’t see the barrister as part of it. Having said that, she specialises in human rights law, and that’s a mark of dodginess from the off.

    Allan is right. Political homosexuality for decades has wanted the age of consent lowered. It still does. Attempting to get the hetero age lowered and driving through a reduction in the homo age afterward in the name of equality is a standard tactic.

    http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2013/01/21/peter-tatchell-the-uk-should-look-at-lowering-the-age-of-consent-to-14/

    As for adult same-sex marriage, there is no such thing. Marriage is heterosexual and same-sex legal unions are something else, anything else but not marriage. Why does the term ‘marriage’ have to be used when it clearly is not the same and cannot ever be the same?

  14. Allan

    Again your argument about the writers of that show having a paedophile agenda is utter nonsense. In that case everyone involved with almost every teenage drama, soap or fictional serials must also be promoting heterosexual paedophilia as most of them have had storylines involving teenagers kissing.

    What gay rights activists have wanted is for the law to treat homosexuals and homosexual activity no differently to heterosexuality. That’s all. No more no less. Of course you can always find fringe groups and radical sexual polemicists who spout theories of ‘sexual freedom for all including children’ – but that is separate from what the mainstream campaign about removing unjust treatments and laws against homosexuals has always been about.

  15. Colm – Why does the term ‘marriage’ have to be used when it clearly is not the same and cannot ever be the same? It is a union between a man and a woman. Gays have their own vocabulary in what they do that heteros cannot so let them define their own legal unions.

  16. Allan – There are 2 definitions of marriage. The religious sacrament and the civil contract determined by the State. Religious groups have continued to maintain that marriage can only be consecrated between a man and woman. Around the world various states have decided to change the law of marriage contract to allow same sex couples to marry. There is no argument. Those are the facts.

  17. Let’s look at your ridiculous theory and drug analogy Allan.

    You state that sexual deviancy is inextricably linked and use the analogy of a heroin use being linked to cannabis. Does it then follow that as they are inextricably linked then every cannabis user will use heroin/

    That’s the easy one now onto the more difficult:

    You say that paedophilia is linked to homosexuality so presumably the reverse must also be true? If that’s accepted it then stands that all pedophiles are homosexuals and all homosexuals are pedophiles does it not?

    Question: Does one become a homosexual or a pedophile first?

    If homosexuality is connected to paedophilia how come male men abuse female children? are those men themselves not deviating from their own sexual preference.

    How many lesbians sexually abuse young girls?

    Perhaps Master Race thinking hasn’t thought this out enough to see the flaws in the ‘theories?’

  18. Colm – I’m going with the true definition of marriage, as being that union between a man and a woman. Anything else is something else and that’s a fact.

  19. Allan

    Yes that’s your ‘fact’ but we could all do that which renders the term meaningless.

  20. Paul – paedophilia is a sexual deviancy, and so too is homosexuality. It isn’t too difficult to understand that homosexuals could also be paedophiles and the example of the drive for reducing the age of consent is a ploy by the gay lobby to get access to immature males. Heterosexuals are those who have the sexual preferences that nature requires for continuation of the line and they are neither paedophiles nor homosexuals. A male adult who has preferences towards female children is a paedophile.

  21. Colm – isn’t that the intention? That is, to render marriage meaningless? I define it clearly and it has meaning which all normal people understand.

  22. It isn’t too difficult to understand that homosexuals could also be paedophiles

    Ah, so now it’s could ? So you then agree that homosexuality and pedophilia are not synonymous?

  23. Allan

    I was referring to the word ‘fact’ as being meaningless if each individual can decide what is a fact. Civil marriage is a legal term and the law now allows same sex couples to be granted a marriage licence, hence they are married.

    Just as there was a time when the word ‘voter’ could only apply to men because females could not legally vote, then the law changed and now voters are men and women.

    Homosexuality is not a sexual deviancy. It is the innate and natural condition for a minority of people. Homosexuals are not heterosexuals who have decided to deviate from their natural orientation. The terms Homos and Hetero are simply descriptive names for gender attraction. Paedophilia is a term for attraction towards children. It has no more in common with adult homosexuality than it does with adult heterosexuality.

  24. Colm – paedophilia and homosexuality are not beneficial to the continuity of the biological group. Children are not sexually developed and homosexual practices are contrary to the plug-in arrangements provided by nature, and I’m sure that we all know what is to fit where and why.

    Paul – as has had to be shown yet again, the homosexual lobby is the driver for the reduction in the age of consent, as if 13-year-olds are mature enough to be buggered by adults?

  25. Allan

    You have adopted the strategy that to forcefully repeat a lie is the best way to convince people it is the truth. As long as readers here are aware of what you are doing, you will fail.

  26. I have a suggestion. Make sodomy for under-18s illegal, for males and females. It’s fair and applies to all sexual orientations. It’s also a highly damaging sexual practice anyway because it’s completely unnatural:

    http://factsaboutyouth.com/posts/male-homosexual-behavior/

    “Male homosexual behaviour is not simply either ‘active’ or ‘passive,’ since penile-anal, mouth-penile, and hand-anal sexual contact is usual for both partners, and mouth-anal contact is not infrequent. . . . Mouth-anal contact is the reason for the relatively high incidence of diseases caused by bowel pathogens in male homosexuals. Trauma may encourage the entry of micro-organisms and thus lead to primary syphilitic lesions occurring in the anogenital area. . . In addition to sodomy, trauma may be caused by foreign bodies, including stimulators of various kinds, penile adornments, and prostheses.”2

    [2] R. R. Wilcox, “Sexual Behaviour and Sexually Transmitted Disease Patterns in Male Homosexuals,” British Journal of Venereal Diseases, 57(3): 167-169, 167 (1981).

  27. Allan

    It’s fine to encourage responsible sexual behaviour but how do you expect it to be policed ? If the forces of law can barely cope with preventing the majority of violent crimes – rape, murder, assaults, muggings, burglaries etc. how do you expect them to deal with consenting but ‘forbidden’ private behaviour ?

  28. Colm – it is beyond any medical doubt that homosexual practices are inherently unhealthy, the ‘inherent’ being because they are simply unnatural. The ‘unnatural’ is concluded from exactly what I wrote at 8.23pm and earlier at 2.44pm in that the sexual organs are known by biologists to have certain specific fits and functions which are natural, and the uses to which homosexuals put them are not. This results in the greater susceptibility to sodomy-related illness and diseases. The same can be said for smoking and it is smoking which should be the comparison here and not heterosexual practices. Like sodomy, smoking is unnatural and harmful to health and so age restrictions are applied to it. I see no reason why my suggestion at 10.04pm would not be useful and the only thing ‘forbidden’ would be the anal passages of young men and boys to gay men.

    The “lie” which you mention at 9.57pm – exactly what is this lie?

  29. //homosexual practices are inherently unhealthy, the ‘inherent’ being because they are simply unnatural. The ‘unnatural’ is concluded from exactly what I wrote at 8.23pm and earlier at 2.44pm in that the sexual organs are known by biologists to have certain specific fits and functions which are natural, and the uses to which homosexuals put them are not. This results in the greater susceptibility to sodomy-related illness and diseases. //

    Allan, it’s admirable how much nonsense you manage to pack into a few lines.

    First, it’s very foolhardy to talk about “natural” in relation to human behaviour, and even more so in relation to human sexuality. The most cursory look at life would tell any objective person that what marks out humanity in its best sense is always when it departs from the purely functional: our art, aesthetics, sense of self, psychology, our hopes and dreams – all of which drive our every behaviour and have a central function in our sexuality – have little or nothing to do with the biological necessities of life. After all, those biological necessities should be universal, and as we all know our lifestyles, sex preferences and practices, choice of jobs etc. are practically anything but universal.

    It should therefore come as no surprise – except to people like you – to see humans choosing monogamy, oral sex, celibacy, multiple sex partners, masturbation, regulated sexual contact, anal sex etc. All of these are deviations – some, like celibacy, a complete inversion – from the biological purpose of sex.

    Probably even more childish is your quaint notion that healthy = naturalness. It does not. Living the natural life can be deadly. How many women who’ve stuck to vaginal penetration all their lives end up with cervical cancer?
    Cancer itself is of course a perfectly natural phenomenon, as are the fungus candida, warts and all.

    I propose that life would not be worth living for any of us without our aesthetic sensibilities and choices that raise us over brute biological needs. It’s art, music, the romance of travel, love, sex – “nature’s great compensation to man for mortality” – that allow us overcome the human condition.

  30. Noel – human freewill allows man to do whatever he chooses, and the more contrary to nature the behavioural choices, the greater the risks to health. As I pointed out, smoking is as unnatural as anal sex and the consequential health risks are equally clear. Because of the consequential health risks, laws are passed to restrict the practice until those who wish to do so are mature enough to understand the consequences and decide whether they enjoy the ‘pleasure’ sufficiently to take the risks. So, Noel, if sex with men is what you want, keep buggering on – but don’t claim that it’s natural: it isn’t hence the clear health risks.

  31. Allan

    Your lie is the repeated claim that the gay rights movement and the campaigners in it really aren’t after equality but want permission to bugger underage young boys.

  32. Allan, how did I know you wouldn’t understand what I wrote.
    Maybe if you read it again, more slowly this time.

  33. Allan also contradicts his own suggestion. His 10.04pm comment was a suggestion that anal sex be banned for all people regardless of gender or orientation under 18, then when he repeats the suggestion in his later comment he says the only thing being banned would be male gay anal sex.

  34. Colm – it is beyond any medical doubt that homosexual practices are inherently unhealthy, the ‘inherent’ being because they are simply unnatural

    Except of course that they are practices which are not limited solely to homosexuals. ‘Unnatural’ practices of oral and anal sex have existed among hetrosexuals for eons and hasn’t decimated the human race.

    The homosexual lobby is the driver for the reduction in the age of consent, as if 13-year-olds are mature enough to be buggered by adults?

    Paul – paedophilia is a sexual deviancy, and so too is homosexuality. It isn’t too difficult to understand that homosexuals could also be paedophiles and the example of the drive for reducing the age of consent is a ploy by the gay lobby to get access to immature males

    I’m glad that you’ve been dragged off shifted your position of homosexuality being synonymous with paedophilia but which gay lobby wants to reduce the age of consent to 13?

  35. Interesting arguments by both sides. However, human nature as defined solely by ‘inclination and likes and dislikes’ of individuals does not necessarily determine ‘right from wrong’, in the communal sense.

    As we all know a civilised culture has to have rules and standards that the majority agrees with, albeit kept to a minimum but enough to safeguard the health and safety of the majority and a general intellectual improvement that ensures continuity of a modern society.

    The question is how are such rules determined? by religion, by custom, or perhaps by learning from history and the knowledge of where ‘doing what one likes’ has invariably led to the collapse of every society where the more deviant interpretations of ‘doing what one likes’ rather than heeding ‘right from wrong’ has eventually reigned supreme.

    Doing what you like does not determine right from wrong, – maybe if you live in a small tribal community, but certainly not if you live in a modern nation sized community or country where the idea of a general liveable morality is determined by the majority and the knowledge of the lessons learned from the history of past cultures.

    Nice as it is to ‘do what you like’, it has always seemed to lead to some form of depravity and a generally downward path to obscurity.

  36. To ATW’s Gay Lobby – anal sex is unhealthy as shown at 10.04pm and if you wish to dispute this, please provide contrary evidence. Given that it is so unhealthy then, in the interests of Health and Safety, it should be made illegal to under-18s. To me, that is a perfectly reasonable suggestion – any problems with that?

    On the inclinations of gay men towards boys, there is plenty buried within academia to confirm this as fact:

    http://www.drjudithreisman.com/archives/regent.pdf

    page 17 of 60 of the .pdf file

    Reisman and Johnson purged female ISO’s from The Washingtonian
    database. The remaining “bachelors” (heterosexual Washingtonians
    versus homosexual Advocates), were character analyzed by categorizing
    and tabulating the advertisers’ partner solicitations. These primary
    findings were supported by several cross-validation analyses of
    biographies, travel, self-reports as well as other scholarly studies as cited
    below.86
    · 0.45% Washingtonian heterosexual bachelors (n=2885) were “in search of/offer” man-girl sex.87
    · 15% Advocate homosexual bachelors (n=7407) were “in search of/offer” man-boy sex.88
    Additional Corroborative Studies:
    · 49% of “gay” male biographies (n=166) report sex with boys.89
    · 41% of “gay” travel in foreign countries (n=139) report laws on adult sex with boys.90
    · 21% of Advocate readers (n=2500) report adult molestation before age 15.91
    · 73% of “gay” men report sex with boys 16-19 or younger.92
    · 100 boys a year, plus, report molestation by a Boy Scout Leader.93
    · 150 boy homosexual victims versus 20 girl heterosexual victims per molester.94
    · 153 homosexual offenders assaulted 22,981 boys.95
    · 224 heterosexual offenders assaulted 4435 girls.96

    page 18 of 60 –

    The rate of homosexual versus heterosexual child sexual abuse is staggering. Abel’s data of 150.2 boys abused per male homosexual offender finds no equal (yet) in heterosexual violations of 19.8 girls.99
    These data are fully supported by the pre-Kirk and Madsen homosexual political writings, especially blatant in Karla Jay and Allen Young’s two pro-gay books, Out of the Closets100 and The Gay Report. 101
    The former reprints “Gay Manifestos” which boldly proclaim “kids can take care of themselves, and are sexual beings way earlier than we’d like to admit . . . nice bodies and young bodies are attributes, they’re groovy,” calling for elimination of the age of consent.102

  37. To ATW’s Gay Lobby – anal sex is unhealthy as shown at 10.04pm and if you wish to dispute this, please provide contrary evidence

    ATW’s ‘Gay Lobby’ eh? Gobbels’ quote about telling a lie often enough has taught you well.

    However, you’re the only one who’s dwelling on the ‘unhealthy’ aspects of it, I made the point that oral and anal sex has existed for millennia among hetrosexuals and hasn’t diminished the human race.

    Still no comment on which gay lobby wants to reduce the age of consent to 13? At least you’ve moved on from your previous homosexuals are paedophiles position.

  38. //The question is how are such rules determined? by religion, by custom, or perhaps by learning from history and the knowledge of where ‘doing what one likes’ has invariably led to the collapse of every society where the more deviant interpretations of ‘doing what one likes’ //

    Right, Ernest, of course society has to have rules and standards. But the standard of contemporary societiess seems to be that “anything that is not damaging to or against the will of the parties directly concerned” is fine. I think that’s a morally fair principle; it keeps people happy and, above all, it works well.

    After all, while liberal Greece and Rome finally collapsed, so too did all authoritarian systems, whether headed by a church or some moral dictator. And Greek and Roman culture thrived for incredibly long periods – around 500 years each.

    Generally, no society can be stable or healthy if its members are not happy, and people pursue happiness in very different ways. In former days, societies were mostly prepared to subordinate individual preference to some higher principle or order: a religion, state or whatever. Those societies survived – if they even survived for long – only because a huge range of hypocrisy was also tolerated, which allowed people, at least wealthy or powerful people, to continue their lifestyles outside the social standards.

    The shift of focus to individual freedom and responsibility is an inevitable part of the democratisation of society. People are simply never going to tolerate again a set-up where the bishops or their “betters” tell them how they must behave, while those with money or position continue to keep mistresses, visit prostitutes and indulge their every inclination.

    Nobody has to like other people “sinning”. But the deal is that he has to let them commit what he calls sins as they have to do the same for him. Simply: nobody has a right to impose his concept of sin on others as long as they in turn don’t impose on anyone else.

  39. Nobody has to like other people “sinning”

    That’s very true Noel. I’ve never been able to understand why anyone would want to know what anyone else legally gets up to and particularly why some sections of hetrosexual society seem to be obsessed with what homosexuals do.

  40. Paul – I showed at 12.07pm the overlap of homosexuality and paedophilia: the two deviations are closely related. I also showed that gays are favourable to the reduction in, or even abolition of, the age of consent – and the target can only be boys as is confirmed with the link which Pete found to Peter Tatchell’s wish to reduce the age of consent to 14 at 3.30pm. At several posts I asked respondents to find dispute with my suggestion to limit anal sexual practices to 18-or-over, and there was no response. I also request ATW’s ‘gay lobby’ to provide evidence to counter the facts of disease and illness as a consequence of anal sex – again, no response.

    In short, you offer nothing in support of your position and your text is Pavlovian reaction.

  41. Allan

    You have shown nothing. There is not the slightest shred of evidence that gay people are morel likely want the age of consent to be abolished or that homosexual adults are more likely to molest children than heterosexual adults. Pointing to single obscure websites means nothing. I gave a reason why your suggestion about banning certain sexual practises is impractical. It is virtually impossible for the authorities to police private consenting behaviour but whether the age of consent should be 16 or 18 is a debatable point, but whatever age is chosen it should apply equally to males and females and regardless of homo or heterosexual activity.

    I am quite prepared to accept that anal sex is more dangerous and a greater risk of transmission infection especially HIV than vaginal sex, but that’s an argument about physical practises and unsafe promiscuity not about sexual orientation.

    Ultimately the role of the State is to decide at what age a person can consent to sexual activity. What and who with and how they conduct their consenting sex life once they reach that age is then a matter of individual responsibility.

  42. Paul – I showed at 12.07pm the overlap of homosexuality and paedophilia

    Except you didn’t, you made a ridiculous assumption and then attempted to link it through some tenuous claim that because both were deviations from the norm they must be interrelated.

    When this ‘theory’ was quickly blown out of the water by a number of commentators you then reverted to homosexuals could be paedophiles’

    That’s not ‘proof’

    And the target can only be boys as is confirmed with the link which Pete found to Peter Tatchell’s wish to reduce the age of consent to 14

    So why do you continuously insist that they want to lower it to 13? Whilst I don’t agree with Tatchell’s suggestion or reasoning for it Tacthell’s suggestion would bring the age of consent into line with quite a lot of European countries – including ‘that most civilised of European peoples’ the Germans.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe

    Surely if homosexuals wanted to have sex with under age boys they’d just move to these countries?

    At several posts I asked respondents to find dispute with my suggestion to limit anal sexual practices to 18-or-over, and there was no response

    I think you suggested that it should be banned rather than asked people to find dispute with the suggestion? Anyhow, I think someone asked previoulsy, how would you police that?

    I also request ATW’s ‘gay lobby’ to provide evidence to counter the facts of disease and illness as a consequence of anal sex – again, no response.

    Do you have problems with comprehension and collocating the link between your disease and illness comment and my anal and oral sex have existed among hetrosexuals for millenia and yet have not diminished the human race?

    You offer nothing in support of your position and your text is Pavlovian reaction

    See my Gobbels referenceabove.

  43. Noel,

    ‘Those societies survived – if they even survived for long – only because a huge range of hypocrisy was also tolerated, which allowed people, at least wealthy or powerful people, to continue their lifestyles outside the social standards.’

    And that paragraph says it all! That it is the wealthy middle and upper classes where so much of the depravity exists is nothing new. Today it isn’t just the ruling class but the expansion of a wealthy middle class and the rise of ‘celebrity’ who feel they are free to do as they wish.

    They feel that as they provide the ‘bread and circuses’ to keep the ‘unwashed’ happy it gives them the right to do what they like and to ignore the rule of ‘right or wrong’ The great hypocrisy is, and always has been, among the leadership.

    Surely the core of human morality is based on love, trust and faith in those we choose to be our partner for a lifetime, and to help to raise the very reason for our existence, – a family.

    How can you trust anyone who cannot control their impulses, as and when required and prefer to succumb to, or perhaps become addicted to any of the many sexual and other moral variations that people boast about. Along with so many of the other temptations to do ‘what you want’ such as greed, lying, drug and alcohol addiction and many others, it is easier succumb than to resist.

    Today we have a crisis of trust ‘across the board’, at all levels of human endeavour, from the wealthiest – who just do what they want, – down to a local level where even neighbours are regarded with a degree of suspicion, and where even the fragmented idea of ‘family’ has been so demeaned, by both State and Church as to becoming more of a rarity than the norm.

    Our Leaders, both political and religious seem to have forgotten our plea – ‘And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil,’. Surely a cry from the ‘masses’ for learning by example the definitions of ‘right and wrong’.

    Mankind may well be ‘technically advancing’, such a pity that we are declining on the moral and intellectual level. A religious person might say that the Devil was winning the battle at this time

  44. Do you have problems with comprehension and collocating the link between your disease and illness comment and my anal and oral sex have existed among hetrosexuals for millenia and yet have not diminished the human race?

    No doubt such practices have existed and the consequences for health of the former have curtailed the activity.

    Homosexuals exist within a cesspit (moral, sexual, physical) entirely of their own making. I just don’t want their cesspit polluting the wells of those in the same society. I don’t bother about what they do – they can do whatever their perversion incites them to do, but I don’t want them anywhere near children or youth, nor children or youth being told that such practices are ‘normal’ when it is demonstrable that they are dangerous to health and mental well-being.

    From page 4 of 60 on the link at 12.07pm

    In 1999, the Archives of General Psychiatry published two studies correlating homosexuality with significantly higher levels of mental illness than among the population at large.13 Yet a Westlawä search did not reveal a single newspaper story in the United States on either of the two studies. Even before those studies were published, George Rekers, the pioneering researcher in the study Gender Identity Disorder, said that “it would now appear logical that homosexuality per se be re-examined as a mental disorder.”14

    14 George Rekers, Gender Identity Disorder, 1 J. HUM. SEXUALITY 16 (1996), available at http://www.leaderu.com/softcopy/jhs/rekers.pdf (last visited Apr.2 ,2002).

  45. Great news for ATW’s gay lobby, and this confirms my position (as in stance on the issue):

    http://globalnews.ca/news/1844927/ontario-revises-sex-education-curriculum/

    TORONTO – Ontario kids as young as six will learn about consent while eight-year-olds will be taught about same-sex relationships under a revamped sex-education curriculum the province released Monday.

    The document – last updated in 1998 before smartphone were invented – brings Ontario in line with other provinces, Education Minister Liz Sandals said in a new conference. Some of the changes, she suggested, may even place Ontario ahead of the pack.

    What does she mean by “ahead of the pack”? Leading to what exactly?

    By Grade 3, students will learn about same-sex relationships, which Kathleen Wynne, the first openly gay premier, said would help kids with two moms or two dads feel their families are just like everyone else’s.

    Errr …. no

    Students in Grade 6 will be taught about masturbation and “gender expression,” while kids in Grades 7 and 8 will discuss contraception, anal and oral sex, preventing pregnancy and sexually transmitted infections.

    They are being “taught” this filth. This is perversion, quite simply perversion.

  46. Allan — That is great news. Kids should be taught that some kids have a mother and a father, some of just one or the other, some have two fathers, two mothers etc. All very normal, natural, and healthy.

    The only one spouting filth is you.

  47. Thought you might like this one, Allan!

    “As a network we’re not prepared to stand by and allow racist discourse to be heard in the public sphere. If people start using racist and xenophobic language it can divert people’s genuine fears in the wrong direction,”

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/garda%C3%AD-break-up-scuffles-at-meeting-on-immigration-1.2140600

    Some great anti-fascist work going on in Dublin these days. 🙂

  48. Breaking up / distrupting meetings is a long established communist and hard left strategy.

    Petr, who should be allowed to speak or meet freely? Anyone?

  49. No platform for fascists. No exceptions.

  50. Who is a ” fascist “?

    Anyone who disagrees with what you believe?

  51. Look it up in the dictionary amigo. Stop playing silly games.

  52. It is not any silly game and your definition would probably be quite incorrect.

    But are you saying that Irish people should not be allowed to meet up, or that only certain Irish people should be allowed to meet?

    Who gets to decide?

  53. I’m not some sort of wishy washy liberal. I’m a revolutionary socialist, living according to revolutionary praxis.

  54. We declare the right of the people of Ireland to the ownership of Ireland, and to the unfettered control of Irish destinies, to be sovereign and indefeasible. The long usurpation of that right by a foreign people and government has not extinguished the right, nor can it ever be extinguished except by the destruction of the Irish people.

    You are now claiming that Poblacht Na H Eireann should be torn up and discarded and that Irish people no longer have the right to assemble to discuss political matters in their own capital city? Do you realize exactly what you are saying?

  55. Phantom –

    I’d have sympathy for your attempts to get a straight answer from a bent Tarasov, but this is what it’s like trying to get an answer from you.

  56. lol Poblacht Na H Eireann ?

    Back to the history books amigo.

  57. I speak straight all the time.

    You can’t handle it at times, since you, like Petr, aspire to utopias that can never be.

  58. lol Poblacht Na H Eireann he said.

  59. Yes indeed I did. You asked should it be torn up? It’s not been implemented you fool!

  60. It’s like saying, should James Connolly’s pamphlets be torn up. Makes no odds either way.Neither bestows rights, neither is germane to a debate on free speech. Do your homework amigo.

  61. Should Irish men and women be allowed to meet freely in their own capital city to discuss any matter of their choosing?

  62. Why Irish men and women? I am not Irish. Should I have fewer rights?

  63. Actually, unless one is a citizen of course you should have fewer rights – that should be the case anywhere.

    But should Irish people be allowed to meet freely in their own land without interference?

    You are free to address the rights of visitors, tourists, or immigrants if you like.

    I hope that you would not think that non Irish should have any sort of veto over Irish political or speech rights in Ireland.

  64. Hey Moore, put the Budweiser down.

    On what issue have I not given any sort of straight answer?

  65. Whoa. Amazing.

    Which of my rights should be curtained. In what ways should I be persecuted for my place of birth being ‘wrong’?

  66. *curtailed.

  67. Answer the question please.

    Do not be a slippery eel.

  68. Phantom –

    Budweiser? You calling me a poof?

    I’m struggling to think of an issue on which you have given a straight answer. You’re full of questions for others, for which you invariably receive a full response, but as soon as questions come your way it’s adios.

  69. Phantom — I will gladly answer. But you have just dropped a nuke. You think that my place of birth should mean I get fewer rights than others.

    Break it down for me. What should my oppression look like exactly?

  70. Ah, fight a communist and a right winger at the same time.

    Easily done.

    Petr

    If I move to Japan or Dubai I don’t get to run anything over there. Citizens have rights that others do not.

    Now you, as a proud non Irishman, it seems as though you feel that you should have the right restrict Irish political activity, perhaps busting up meetings in Dublin. Where does this massive ego come from? What have the Irish ever done to you?

  71. I’m an internationalist. I don’t care for borders or if one is ‘Irish’ or ‘Japanese’ or whatever. I’ll organise with other progressives wherever I happen to be on this rock. Nation-states came along only very recently, benefited a few greatly, and destroyed many others. Don’t mistake them for a natural occurrence.

  72. And you still haven’t said how my rights should be curtailed. You do see the contradiction in what you’re saying. You think I should have fewer rights in Ireland because of where I was born… yet you berate me for doing the important work of stopping fascists before they become powerful.

  73. Citizens, and legal immigrants have rights that others do not in any decent country.

    But here, you as a non citizen and as a proud non Irishman wish to restrict the rights of Irish people.

    That is deeply wrong.

  74. Petr

    Lets start by not busting up any meetings in a land that has given you refuge.

    Is that too much to ask?

  75. What you’re saying is monstrous, and I believe you don’t even see it.

  76. Refuge? Watch your language and your assumptions my friend.

  77. Petr

    You believe AFAIK that illegal aliens, legal aliens and citizens should have identical rights?

    That is monstrous.

  78. Calling human being aliens is monstrous. I hope on some level you realise this.

  79. No it is a defined term.

    If I moved to say Germany I would be a resident alien.

    It has nothing to do with ET movies.

  80. By the way I am doing a profound public service preventing fascists from organising. You should be thanking me.

    A comrade sums it up:

    Democracy and free speech are not the real issue; the real issue is racist violence by fascism, the suppression of all democracy by fascism and their ability to build themselves up so they can actually start carrying out these attacks. We have to smash them before they become powerful. That is the lesson of Italy in the 1920s, Germany in the early 1930s and Spain in the late 1930s. We don’t want to repeat the nightmare of those two decades.

    http://www.permanentrevolution.net/entry/2915

  81. No doubt such practices have existed and the consequences for health of the former have curtailed the activity

    I’ve news for you sunshine those practices still very much exist. How do you know and measure their ‘curtailment?’

    Homosexuals exist within a cesspit

    Do they? I have a gay cousin and nephew neither of which inhabit any cesspit of any kind.

    From page 4 of 60 on the link at 12.07pm

  82. No you are seeking to restrict Irish people from meeting freely in their own land.

    There’s a long and ignoble history of that.

    You are following the actions of ancient oppressors. That is nothing that anyone could or should be proud of.

    I know expats and others who have lived in say Bermuda, America or other places for over a decade. They don’t have political rights, but somehow they don’t know that they are being oppressed by anybody. They don’t seek to bust up any meetings, either.

  83. Sorry ’bout that.

    From page 4 of 60 on the link at 12.07pm

    What do you know about Judith Reisman Alan?

    Surely she’s one of the evil hordes who are trying to destroy western society by introducing this type of moral degeneration?

  84. I told you I don’t care about ‘Ireland’ or the ‘USA’ or whatever. I will organised politically wherever I happen to be in the world. Why is that so difficult to get your head around?

  85. Despite the fine talk, at the end of the day, you seek to restrict the rights of Irish people.

    That’s nothing to be proud of. Do reconsider.

  86. Despite the fine talk, you don’t seem to appreciate the danger of Europe walking into another fascist era. Luckily, we’re not all so naive.

    Do reconsider.

  87. Paul – all of your questions were answered at 6.04pm

    Allan@Aberdeen, on March 16th, 2015 at 6:04 PM Said:
    Great news for ATW’s gay lobby, and this confirms my position (as in stance on the issue):

    http://globalnews.ca/news/1844927/ontario-revises-sex-education-curriculum/

    TORONTO – Ontario kids as young as six will learn about consent…

    6-year-old kids learning ‘consent’: consent to what?

    As for gays being in a cesspit, I have no problem with them being there and doing what they want to each other. As I wrote at 11.31pm, I don’t want them or their beliefs near children which is their ultimate prey. Unfortunately, the ‘authorities’ are also in the same cesspit and they want to pollute everybody around them.

    Petr – when you wrote about Rotherham as “winning”, what is your ultimate victory? What do you want the cities and lands of Europe and North America to be like?

  88. All of your questions were answered at 6.04pm

    I’m afraid that your 6.04 is about as accurate at answering my questions as your ‘proving the overlap between homosexuality and peadophilia’ – it doesn’t at all.

    But while we’re on the subject of questions here’s one for you to be getting on with:

    Is Judith Reisman one of the evil hordes who are trying to destroy western society by introducing this type of moral degeneration?

  89. Oh ffs!

    http://www.torontosun.com/2013/07/10/former-wynne-adviser-ben-levin-faces-new-child-porn-charges

    Levin, currently a tenured professor at U of T’s Ontario Institute for Studies in Education, was a former deputy minister of education in the Dalton McGuinty government and a former member of Premier Kathleen Wynne’s transition team. In a recent CP24 video from Toronto’s Pride parade, he is seen with Wynne, current federal Liberal golden boy Justin Trudeau and former interim leader Bob Rae.

    Now, who exactly is Premier Kathleen Wynne? At 6.04pm I showed how children as young as 6-years-old are learning about ‘consent’ and

    By Grade 3, students will learn about same-sex relationships, which Kathleen Wynne, the first openly gay premier, said would help kids with two moms or two dads feel their families are just like everyone else’s.

    Ben Levin works for Kathleen Wynne, and what did Ben Levin do?

    A renowned educator who lectured around the world, had the ear of several high ranking Liberals, a prestigious research chair, even a brother who is ambassador to Cuba; how easily a distinguished life can implode, 61 years of a good name instantly besmirched, with the laying of seven charges that include allegations by Toronto Police that he authored graphic child porn and counselled someone online on how to commit a sexual assault on a child.

    And gays DON’T have desires for children? SERIOUSLY? Those f*cking perverts shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near children – except for Paul’s because he’s OK about it.

  90. Paul – at 6.04pm, I provided:

    Allan@Aberdeen, on March 16th, 2015 at 6:04 PM Said:
    Great news for ATW’s gay lobby, and this confirms my position (as in stance on the issue):

    http://globalnews.ca/news/1844927/ontario-revises-sex-education-curriculum/

    TORONTO – Ontario kids as young as six will learn about consent…..

    What is inaccurate about the report? Is it untrue that 6-year-olds are being ‘taught’ about how to allow themselves to be buggered by gays when they’re (maybe) a little bit older?

    It’s quite simple: keep the perverts in their cesspit and away from children. What they do in their cesspit is up to them as they’ll be over-18s anyway, but they must be kept away from children. Unfortunately, the ‘authorities’ and the weak-of-mind wish to expose children to utter filth.

  91. What in the name of good God are you going on about man?

    Please see my questions at 2.23pm:

    So why do you continuously insist that they want to lower it to 13?

    Surely if homosexuals wanted to have sex with under age boys they’d just move to these countries?

    Anyhow, I think someone asked previoulsy, how would you police that?

    Do you have problems with comprehension and collocating the link between your disease and illness comment and my anal and oral sex have existed among hetrosexuals for millenia and yet have not diminished the human race?

    They’re there in black and white, (pun intended), on the screen. Please tell me in detail how ‘All of (my) your questions were answered at 6.04pm’ and then please answer them instead of trying to drag this off in the direction of some babble about some guy in Canada facing child porn charges.

    And yet again:

    Is Judith Reisman one of the evil hordes who are trying to destroy western society by introducing this type of moral degeneration?

  92. Paul McMahon, on March 17th, 2015 at 12:02 AM Said:
    What in the name of good God are you going on about man?

    Paul – are leftists now so far removed from decency that you will consume yourselves and your children? You have been asking for evidence of gays being in pursuit of children i.e. homosexuality being synonymous with paedophilia, and I’m providing it. You ask which gay lobby wishes to move the age of consent to 13: I’m showing that the gay lobby is government and is targetting children below 13 – in fact, what’s happening in Canada is termed ‘grooming’ nowadays.

    As for

    Surely if homosexuals wanted to have sex with under age boys they’d just move to these countries?

    Gays don’t want to have to fly to other countries: they want to have boys where they live. That’s why they’re working through governments to get it.

    As has been shown above, a perverse sex-ed program is being implemented in ‘progressive’ Canada by a lesbian PM under the advice of an ‘educator’ who is a paedophile. To me, the link between homosexuality and paedophilia is clear and is being imposed by government.

    Do you consider 6-year-old children capable of giving ‘consent’? Do you remember when you were 6?

    Is Judith Reisman one of the evil hordes who are trying to destroy western society by introducing this type of moral degeneration?

    From the link at 12.07pm I see:

    Dr. Judith Reisman earned her Ph.D. at Case Western Reserve University. She is president of The Institute for Media Education. Her publications include the U.S. Department of Justice, Juvenile Justice study, Images of Children, Crime and Violence in Playboy, Penthouse and Hustler (1989), Kinsey, Sex and Fraud (Reisman, et al., 1990) and Soft Porn Plays Hardball (1991), Partner Solicitation Language as a Reflection of Male Sexual Orientation (with Johnson, 1995), and Kinsey, Crimes & Consequences (1998, 2000).
    She has been a consultant to three U.S. Department of Justice administrations, The U.S. Department of Education, as well as the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. Dr. Reisman is sought worldwide to speak, lecture, testify, and counsel individuals, organizations, professionals and governments regarding (a) fraudulent sex science and (b) the power and effect of images and the media to alter human behavior. The special emphasis of her work has been and continues to be the negative influence of these change agents upon children and society.

  93. no problem I intend to

  94. Daphne – do you agree with the ‘progress’ being made in Canada by the gay movement whereby children as young as 6 are being ‘sexualised’? Note that I have shown exactly who is behind the ‘progressive’ drive.

  95. Adolf Allan — They’re not being sexualised, they’re being told some kids have two moms or two dads and that that is fine.

  96. Brilliant, just what the country needs, kids mincing about all over the place having hissy fits every five minutes.

  97. Regarding the deleted comments, I would repeat my belief that obscenities are not welcome on any post of mine; nor are hopes that I suffer an early death.

    I wish ill to no-one, and hope that, on this site at least, the comments would reflect this hope!

  98. Petr – children as young as 6 are being taught(?) about ‘consent’: consent to what?

    http://globalnews.ca/news/1844927/ontario-revises-sex-education-curriculum/

    TORONTO – Ontario kids as young as six will learn about consent….

  99. Mike – why delete Daphne’s comments? It’s just an emotionally over-wrought woman having a shrieking fit. I’d suggest that you reinstate them and leave them as a matter of record of Daphne’s brittle emotional condition.

  100. Mike why have you deleted Daphne’s comment?

    It is your choice it is your thread. However the fact that she called for your and allans death is important for people to know.

    Not just because she is a member of our community, but the fact that we write a post on our personal views that evoke that kind of reaction from someone it os important to show you are willing to take all criticism for what you believe.

    When we take a controversial position what validity to our convictions do we have if we delete the comments of those that react to that conviction?

  101. Stop deleting comments Mike you old fool.

  102. I say Death to all of us…. some day, it’s gonna happen. You mark my words !

  103. So Mike posts in order to provoke a particular response, he gets that response from a woman whose son is gay, and Mike is so outraged he deletes the response.

    ATW hits the heights yet again.

  104. You have been asking for evidence of gays being in pursuit of children i.e. homosexuality being synonymous with paedophilia, and I’m providing it.

    No you haven’t, you have provided a link of one instance which has an extremely ethereal link to your homosexuality = peadophilia claim. It’s another of your hair brained conclusions that 2+2 = 956.

    You ask which gay lobby wishes to move the age of consent to 13

    Why do you continue to peddle this lie when you have admitted yourself that it’s not the case?

    Gays don’t want to have to fly to other countries: they want to have boys where they live.

    No?, ask Gary Glitter, (who incidentally is a paedophile not a gay man although according to your logic he should be gay as you claim both are synonomous).

    For someone who’s not gay you seem to know an awful lot of what gays want and don’t want to do. How’s that?

    So again, do you fancy answering my questions:

    So why do you continuously insist that they want to lower it to 13?
    Surely if homosexuals wanted to have sex with under age boys they’d just move to these countries?
    Anyhow, I think someone asked previoulsy, how would you police that?
    Do you have problems with comprehension and collocating the link between your disease and illness comment and my anal and oral sex have existed among hetrosexuals for millenia and yet have not diminished the human race?

    Still quoting Judith Reisman?

    How can she be trusted when she’s one of them who control academia and are ‘biologically programmed to destroy their host nation?’

  105. Daphne and others

    The best response to Mike is to ignore all his posts without exception.

  106. No Daphne wishes those that don’t hold the same view as her to die.

    She is a good woman of good values, a pillar of the community. Well worth admiring.

    Daphne would you be upset if Mikes response was I hope your son gets Aids?

  107. ahh but you don’t truly wish him ill. You but jest to show your displeasure, right?

  108. tsk tsk the Texas Tart must be semi sober tonight.

    Oh and thank you TT. Since your wish for Mike and Allan to die evoked nothing in response from the community (except Mike deleting it) it has freed me from those that held my death wish comment for terrorist supporters.

    Your drunken bile has returned my Liberty to me. I am no longer constrained thanks to you.

    A true gift that I thank the Texas Tart for. Cheers sweety 😉

  109. You’re welcome, Troll.

    I know you need every little bit to bolster your sad failure of a life. Glad to do my part.

  110. Daphne, cut out that stupid talk.

    Troll, if what you said on the Jew Free.. thread is half way true, you should try to do something for your family and not waste your time and energy here.

  111. Hey Noel let the Texas Tart be all that she can be you know an inbred southern drunk.

  112. Paul – I’ve shown that in Canada (not an ‘obscure’ country), a lesbian PM of Ontario has put in place a sex education program for 6-year-olds onwards which was created by a paedophile. The respective links are at 6.04pm and 11.37pm.

    I have shown that homosexual practices are unhealthy (source link at 10.04pm) and that homosexuality is a mental illness given that gays suffer disproportionately from mental illness

    In 1999, the Archives of General Psychiatry published two studies correlating homosexuality with significantly higher levels of mental illness than among the population at large.13

    see link at 11.31pm.

    If you choose not to read them, then that’s your choice – but the links are there and the matters are on record.

  113. Allan, I don’t know where you learned to reason.

    Even if there was a correlation between homosexuality and mental illness, it would not mean there is any intrinsic link, and even if such a link were found, that would certainly not mean that “homosexuality is a mental illness”.

    Anyone who believes that doesn’t know how to think.

    I mean, you may as well try to prove by listing the insane people on ATW that heterosexuality is a form of insanity.

  114. Noel – as we all know, the equipment with which nature blessed us is intended to fit in a certain way – the natural way. Using a sewage pipe as a playground is always going to end in tears which is why those afflicted with the wish to do so have “significantly higher levels of mental illness than among the population at large”.

  115. Paul – I’ve shown that in Canada (not an ‘obscure’ country), a lesbian PM of Ontario has put in place a sex education program for 6-year-olds onwards which was created by a paedophile.

    No you haven’t, you’ve provided a link of one instance when a Government has implemented a programme for children and because the PM is gay and the programme was supposedly created by a former government employee facing child porn charges you’ve attempted to tenuously link these dissparate threads together to ‘prove’ that homosexuality is apposite tp paedophilia.

    I have shown that homosexual practices are unhealthy

    You have shown that sexual practices, widely engaged in by hetrosexuals for eons, can carry a risk of infection.

    Homosexuality is a mental illness given that gays suffer disproportionately from mental illness

    Are you now suggesting that homosexuality is synonymous with mental illness? I think that most psychologists would suggest that the majority of mental illness within the gay community comes from the way they’re treated and stigmatized by people like you.

    What you have done is what you normally do: You have a extremely partisan notion about a subject and when challanged on that issue trawl the internet for ‘evidence’ to ‘prove’ that preconceived position rather than looking at all the evidence and form a conclusion.

    Why do you continuously peddle this lie?, (rather like the Gobbelsesque repetition of the lie that the gay community want to lower the age of consent to 13).

    Wouldn’t your ‘evidence’ like that of Dr Judith Reisman conclude that people like Gary Glitter must also be gay because they are paedophiles? On the other hand maybe you’ve distanced yourself from Judith Reisman’s work as you seem to have drawn a discreet veil of silence over it after I pointed out that she was one of them who ‘control academia’ and ‘are genetically programmed to destroy their host nation?’

  116. Paul – let’s just re-visit things.

    You have shown that sexual practices, widely engaged in by hetrosexuals for eons, can carry a risk of infection.

    http://factsaboutyouth.com/posts/male-homosexual-behavior/

    The end result is that the fragility of the anus and rectum, along with the immunosuppressive effect of ejaculate, make anal-genital intercourse a most efficient manner of transmitting HIV and other infections. The list of diseases found with extraordinary frequency among male homosexual practitioners as a result of anal intercourse is alarming:

    Anal Cancer
    Chlamydia trachomatis
    Cryptosporidium
    Giardia lamblia
    Herpes simplex virus
    Human immunodeficiency virus
    Human papilloma virus
    Isospora belli
    Microsporidia
    Gonorrhea
    Viral hepatitis types B & C
    Syphilis7

    OK – so that’s not so much a “risk of infection”: more of a guaranteed infection of some kind, any kind, there’s so many to choose from.

    Then there’s the goings-on in Canada:

    a Government has implemented a programme for children and because the PM is gay and the programme was supposedly created by a former government employee facing child porn charges

    Paul – there is no “supposedly”. Open the links for confirmation.

    On the other hand maybe you’ve distanced yourself from Judith Reisman’s work as you seem to have drawn a discreet veil of silence over it after I pointed out that she was one of them who ‘control academia’ and ‘are genetically programmed to destroy their host nation?’

    The response to that is that Judith Reisman doesn’t have the genes for the mission of destruction and I don’t see where I have ‘distanced myself’ from her writings – but you can show me:

    Allan@Aberdeen, on September 2nd, 2013 at 7:47 PM Said:
    No, I don’t hate jews, but the overwhelming participation of jews in the undermining of white societies cannot be ignored. Jews are white which is how they manage to infiltrate white institutions and pervert them from within. What the upper jews have is the genes for destroying the host. This is present in nature so there is no reason why humanity shouldn’t have a strain which seeks to destroy the host population, and that is organised jewry. Many ‘jews’ do not have these genes so they are effectively un-jews: others go so far as to oppose the destructive mission of jewry even if they don’t necessarily ‘name the jew’.

  117. Allan

    Do you have any gay friends? And if so, do you tell them that they are mentally ill paedophiles?

  118. Allan, if you weren’t so busy peddling anti-gay lies and propaganda links disguised as concern about “youth”, you might have time enough to realise your answer in no way addresses Paul’s argument that the practices you mention are also very common among heterosexuals.
    Maybe you’d also realise that going from your alleged – and probably also bogus – correlation between homosexuality and mental illness to the conclusion that “homosexuality is a mental illness” is yet more illogical bullshit.

  119. Wow this thread is still going strong. Allan is wallowing leisurely in this sodomite discussion and I sense he is happy to stay in it. I wonder why ? 😉

  120. This is from Allan’s link

    http://www.voices-of-change.org/

  121. …..your answer in no way addresses Paul’s argument that the practices you mention are also very common among heterosexuals

    Well, I’m heterosexual and my closest friends are heterosexual yet nobody whom I know admits to buggering his wife/girlfriend. Perhaps it’s just the perverts on ATW who practice it.

    Noel – from Allan’s link:

    [7] Anne Rompalo, “Sexually Transmitted Causes of Gastrointestinal Symptoms in Homosexual Men,” Medical Clinics of North America, 74(6): 1633-1645 (November 1990); “Anal Health for Men and Women,” LGBTHealthChannel, http://lgbthealth.healthcommunities.com/analhealth/index.shtml (accessed 3/18/10); “Safer Sex (MSM) for Men who Have Sex with Men,” LGBTHealthChannel, http://www.gayhealthchannel.com/stdmsm/ (accessed 3/18/10).

    [8] “Resurgent Bacterial Sexually Transmitted Disease Among Men Who Have Sex With Men — King County, Washington, 1997-1999,” Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, CDC, 48(35): 773-777 (September 10, 1999). [26] Heredia, “Big spike in cases of syphilis in S.F.: Gay, bisexual men affected most.”

    [9] Heredia, “Big spike in cases of syphilis in S.F.: Gay, bisexual men affected most.”

    [10]Centers for Disease Control. CDC Analysis Provides New Look at Disproportionate Impact of HIV and Syphilis among U.S. Gay and Bisexual Men. Press Release. Wednesday, March 10, 2010.

    [11] “Changing Patterns of Groups at High Risk for Hepatitis B in the United States,” Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, CDC, 37(28): 429-432, p. 437 (July 22, 1988). Hepatitis B and C are viral diseases of the liver.[11] Edward O. Laumann, John H. Gagnon, et al., The social organization of sexuality: Sexual practices in the United States, p. 293, Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1994; Michael, et al., p. 176; David Forman and Clair Chilvers, “Sexual Behavior of Young and Middle-Aged Men in England and Wales,” British Medical Journal, 298: 1137-1142 (1989); and Gary Remafedi, et al., “Demography of Sexual Orientation in Adolescents,” Pediatrics, 89: 714-721 (1992). See appendix A.

    [12] Edward O. Laumann, John H. Gagnon, et al., The social organization of sexuality: Sexual practices in the United States, p.293, Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1994; Michael, et al., p. 176; David Forman and Clair Chilvers, “Sexual Behavior of Young and Middle-Aged Men in England and Wales,” British Medical Journal, 298: 1137-1142 (1989); and Gary Remafedi, et al., “Demography of Sexual Orientation in Adolescents,” Pediatrics, 89: 714-721 (1992). See appendix A.

    [13] Mads Melbye, Charles Rabkin, et al., “Changing patterns of anal cancer incidence in the United States, 1940-1989,” American Journal of Epidemiology, 139: 772-780, p. 779, Table 2 (1994).

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    Thta’s hardly a recommendation for homosexual practices – but you lot just keep buggering on….

  122. Maybe you’d also realise that going from your alleged – and probably also bogus – correlation between homosexuality and mental illness to the conclusion that “homosexuality is a mental illness” is yet more illogical bullshit.

    http://archpsyc.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=205342

    Homosexuality and Mental Illness
    J. Michael Bailey, PhD
    Arch Gen Psychiatry. 1999;56(10):883-884. doi:10.1001/archpsyc.56.10.883.

    NO TOPIC has caused the field of psychiatry more controversy than homosexuality, and 2 articles in this issue of the ARCHIVES are likely to reopen past controversies and begin new ones.1,2 These studies contain arguably the best published data on the association between homosexuality and psychopathology, and both converge on the same unhappy conclusion: homosexual people are at a substantially higher risk for some forms of emotional problems, including suicidality, major depression, and anxiety disorder.

  123. Maybe you’d also realise that going from your alleged – and probably also bogus – correlation between homosexuality and mental illness to the conclusion that “homosexuality is a mental illness” is yet more illogical bullshit.

    http://psychcentral.com/lib/higher-risk-of-mental-health-problems-for-homosexuals/0006527

    Homosexual people tend to experience more mental health problems than heterosexual people, research indicates. Discrimination may contribute to the higher risk, believes lead researcher Dr. Apu Chakraborty of University College London, UK.

    His team looked at rates of mental disorder among 7,403 adults living in the UK, whose details were obtained from the Adult Psychiatric Morbidity Survey 2007. Rates of depression, anxiety, obsessive compulsive disorder, phobia, self-harm, suicidal thoughts, and alcohol and drug dependence were significantly higher in homosexual respondents.

  124. Strangely enough, homosexuality used to be a mental illness, then it was decided by a vote at the American Psychiatric Association in 1974 that it wasn’t an illness. Could Cancer Research UK do something similar to make cancer a ‘lifestyle choice to be embraced’?

    http://www.behaviorismandmentalhealth.com/2011/10/08/homosexuality-the-mental-illness-that-went-away/

    According to the American Psychiatric Association, until 1974 homosexuality was a mental illness. Freud had alluded to homosexuality numerous times in his writings, and had concluded that paranoia and homosexuality were inseparable. Other psychiatrists wrote copiously on the subject, and homosexuality was “treated” on a wide basis. There was little or no suggestion within the psychiatric community that homosexuality might be conceptualized as anything other than a mental illness that needed to be treated. And, of course, homosexuality was listed as a mental illness in DSM-II. (The DSM – Diagnostic and Statistical Manual – is the APA’s standard classification of their so-called mental disorders, and is used by many mental health workers in the USA and other countries.)

    Then in 1970 gay activists protested against the APA convention in San Francisco. These scenes were repeated in 1971, and as people came out of the “closet” and felt empowered politically and socially, the APA directorate became increasingly uncomfortable with their stance. In 1973 the APA’s nomenclature task force recommended that homosexuality be declared normal. The trustees were not prepared to go that far, but they did vote to remove homosexuality from the list of mental illnesses by a vote of 13 to 0, with 2 abstentions. This decision was confirmed by a vote of the APA membership, and homosexuality was no longer listed in the seventh edition of DSM-II, which was issued in 1974.

    The APA claimed that they made the change because new research showed that most homosexual people were content with their sexual orientation, and that as a group, they appeared to be as well-adjusted as heterosexual people.

    Except that the links at 10.35pm and 10.39pm show this not to be the case.

  125. I guess my 8.18pm comment was quite appropriate after all.

  126. Allan

    Do you have any homosexual friends?

  127. Allan, your comments at 10:30 and 10:35 in no way address the arguments presented to you. You are constantly accusing people of running away from you on various threads, yet here you flatly refuse to face any argument that undermines your position. In fact, it seems as if you don’t even recognise these arguments for what they are.

  128. Noel – you wrote that my linkage between homosexuality and mental illness is “bogus”. At 10.35pm and 10.39pm, I show it not to be bogus but to be true. You also claim that sodomy is common amongst heterosexuals – but is it? Do you indulge yourself with your female (I’m assuming that you’re not homosexual)? And the medical ill-effects of habitual sodomy are not negligible as I have shown at 10.30pm. Tell you what – why don’t you show me the benefits to health of homosexuality? Do it!

    The fact is Noel, that I don’t run from your questions. I deal with them directly – and you don’t like it.

  129. The fact is Noel, that I don’t run from your questions. I deal with them directly

    What about questions from others?

    For the third time – do you have any homosexual friends?

  130. Seimi – no.

  131. Seimi – not that I’m aware of.

  132. Your second answer is honest.

    Do you voice your opinions on homosexuals in as much detail to your friends as you do here? Because, if you do, it might explain why you are not aware of any of your friends being homosexual…

    A more personal question now, and please don’t feel obliged to answer – are you married yourself, and if so, do you have children?

  133. Seimi – I have two adult children, neither of whom are gay. I will end this by stating that I would still love them even if they were. It makes me a hypocrite to an extent, but who isn’t?

  134. //At 10.35pm and 10.39pm, I show it not to be bogus but to be true.//

    No, you didn’t. You showed at most that homosexuals are more likely to have psychiatric issues, but – as even your link says – that may be due to the psycho-social pressure on them from people like you. At any rate you certainly did NOT show how such an observation leads to your assumption that “homosexuality is a mental illness”. That is what I asked you about. Either you still can’t understand the question or you’re still running away from it.

    I rather fancy it’s because you don’t understand it. After all, you’re the kind of person who believes that because his friends don’t have, or tell him they don’t have, anal sex, it must mean heterosexuals don’t do it.

    Have a look at

    this or

    this or

    this.

  135. I have two adult children, neither of whom are gay. I will end this by stating that I would still love them even if they were. It makes me a hypocrite to an extent, but who isn’t?

    It does absolutely make you a hypocrite, but as you say – who isn’t, especially when it comes to our own children?

    That said – were one of your children to be gay, would you still love them, yet worry that they were mentally ill paedophiles?

  136. Noel – reading your links confirms that it’s simply attempting to ‘normalise’ homosexual practices by dragging heteros into their sordid world. Do women really want to be sodomised? How about your wife/girl-friend?

    Huffington Post is highly pro-gay and therefore pro-sodomy and drives the efforet to persuade women that ‘taking it up the arse’ is perfectly ‘natural’ – it isn’t.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/gay-journalism/

    And as for:

    You showed at most that homosexuals are more likely to have psychiatric issues, but – as even your link says – that may be due to the psycho-social pressure on them from people like you.

    “psycho-social pressure”? But I don’t know any gays!!! The media tell us that being gay is to be ‘celebrated’ etc. Gays are so mentally disordered that no external stresses are needed to cause mental illness: their own internally-generated stresses are a consequence of their mental illness.

  137. Gays are so mentally disordered that no external stresses are needed to cause mental illness: their own internally-generated stresses are a consequence of their mental illness.

    Again, my eldest son is gay, and I would agree wholeheartedly with that.

  138. Harri – is your son unable to plan a day ahead? I’m just asking because that’s what mine is like and he’s not gay. It could be an age thing though.

  139. Allan@Aberdeen, on March 20th, 2015 at 10:39 AM Said:

    Harri – is your son unable to plan a day ahead?

    Allan – he struggles to know his arse from his elbow.

    No pun intended 😉

  140. But I don’t know any gays!!!

    I bet you do, they just haven’t told you they are gay. Why would they? Should they announce their sexual orientation whenever they meet someone for the first time? Do you do that? “Hello, I’m Allan, and I’m straight.”

    Perhaps they could wear some kind of symbol – a star perhaps?

    Harri, on March 20th, 2015 at 10:33 AM Said:

    Gays are so mentally disordered that no external stresses are needed to cause mental illness: their own internally-generated stresses are a consequence of their mental illness.

    Again, my eldest son is gay, and I would agree wholeheartedly with that.

    You think this of your own son!? That he has a mental illness?? Is there anything that Allan writes here that you don’t agree with!?

  141. I bet you do, they just haven’t told you they are gay. Why would they? Should they announce their sexual orientation whenever they meet someone for the first time? Do you do that? “Hello, I’m Allan, and I’m straight.”

    What absolute bollocks.

    I get to meet a lot of gays through my sons lifestyle, and the very first thing any of them say ” Hi I am gay and my name is XXXX”

    Seimi you are talking out of your arse again.

    As for do I think my son is mentally unstable .. absofuckinglutely.

    And all his boyfriends.

  142. You think this of your own son!? That he has a mental illness?? Is there anything that Allan writes here that you don’t agree with!?

    Seimi., and don’t you dare take offence on my sons behalf.

    Go find someone else to feel all self-righteous and indignant about.

  143. I get to meet a lot of gays through my sons lifestyle, and the very first thing any of them say ” Hi I am gay and my name is XXXX”

    Sure they do.

    Seimi you are talking out of your arse again.

    Charming.

    As for do I think my son is mentally unstable .. absofuckinglutely.

    And all his boyfriends.

    And parent of the year award goes to…

    I’ll ask again-

    Is there anything that Allan writes here that you don’t agree with!?

  144. Seimi – at 12.36am you asked a question which I was good enough to answer. It appears that my engaging you in my usual honesty was simply the portal to the nonsense commencing at 10.49am. Answer me this – why do you do it?

  145. // is your son unable to plan a day ahead? I’m just asking because that’s what mine is like //

    Well, as his father is totally unable to follow simple logic, you could say he got off to a bad start.

  146. Seimi., and don’t you dare take offence on my sons behalf.

    Go find someone else to feel all self-righteous and indignant about.

    Who’s taking offence? I just can’t believe a parent would say something like that about their own child.

    I’m not being self-righteous or indignant about anything. I just feel that you become Allan’s lap-dog more and more with everything you write here.

  147. Seimi – at 12.36am you asked a question which I was good enough to answer. It appears that my engaging you in my usual honesty was simply the portal to the nonsense commencing at 10.49am. Answer me this – why do you do it?

    What nonsense? I asked you a question which, as you say, you were good enough to answer. I then asked you another – hypothetical this time – question. I just wondered what your answer would be. You don’t have to answer it if you feel you don’t want to, or can’t.

  148. A foreign wife and a gay son, be careful or you might lose Allan as your BFF, or worse he might earmark you for extermination.

  149. Who’s taking offence? I just can’t believe a parent would say something like that about their own child.

    I’m not being self-righteous or indignant about anything. I just feel that you become Allan’s lap-dog more and more with everything you write here.

    Tough-titty, that’s real life.

    My son probably has one of the most understanding set of grandparents he could possibly wish for, and at times he makes them despair too.

    If I had the time to list them all, I could spend half an hour listing all the family events he has ruined shouting from the rooftops that he is gay and everyone from his Grandparents to his sisters and brother, and even the family dogs are all homophobes and he will ‘never talk to any of us again’ .. until he wants something.

  150. Is there anything that Allan writes here that you don’t agree with!?

    Going by the competition, No.

  151. Is your disappointment and apparent resentment of your son purely based on his sexual orientation?

  152. Allan — As well as everything else you are such a prude. You actually think women don’t possess human agency; that they can’t decide for themselves what they enjoy and what they do not enjoy between the sheets. Back do on planet Earth many millions of women enjoy anal sex

  153. Seimi, on March 20th, 2015 at 11:09 AM Said:

    Is your disappointment and apparent resentment of your son purely based on his sexual orientation?

    Seimi, you are not listening are you?

    Okay.
    If it’s nitty-gritty you want instead of this fluffy-bunny world you envisage, okay here goes, the worst times I have encountered (as a father of the year) is when I visit his communal home, and they are all sat around the dining room table, with drugs all laid out, Ketamin, Viagra, Cocaine and so on, and I ask, what WTF is all this about, (to blokes older than me, having sex with my son) and I get all the gory details with any shame whatsoever, ‘It’s all about the sex, the drugs relax the muscles to make it easier to have sex and make it less painful apparently .. okay Seimi, satisfied now.

    Not so fluffy-bunny is it?

    Seimi, on March 20th, 2015 at 10:58 AM Said:

    I get to meet a lot of gays through my sons lifestyle, and the very first thing any of them say ” Hi I am gay and my name is XXXX”

    Sure they do.

    They do.

  154. I didn’t ask for any ‘nitty-gritty’. I asked you-

    Is your disappointment and apparent resentment of your son purely based on his sexual orientation?

    According to your answer, it’s his sexual orientation, his drug-use, and the fact that older men are having sex with him. Would that be correct?

    By the way – if you were aiming for patronising in your above answer – you missed, by several furlongs.

    Sure they do.

    They do.

    Would you be annoyed if I said that I don’t believe you? because I don’t.

  155. Would you be annoyed if I said that I don’t believe you? because I don’t.

    Really?

    Spend and afternoon with me at his house and then repeat that.

    According to your answer, it’s his sexual orientation, his drug-use, and the fact that older men are having sex with him. Would that be correct?

    Yep..
    I know, I know .. homophobe, Bigot, bla bla bla.

  156. it started with the Texas Tart wishing death on people and has apparently gone down hill from there.

    Gentleman you’re a disgrace.

  157. By the way, they are not living there now, but there used to be two young black guys staying at this house, and by what they used to explain to me, they really did go through a bad time with thier familes for being gay, I mean beatings and complete ostracisation.

    Obviously worse parents than me.

  158. Shit

    Wrong thread 😉

  159. Shit.

    No it’s not 😉

  160. Really?

    Spend and afternoon with me at his house and then repeat that.

    Yes, really.

    BTW – were I to spend an afternoon with your gay son and his friends, and you, I’m pretty sure that it wouldn’t be your son and his friends I would have a problem with.

    Obviously worse parents than me.

    Personally, I don’t look at other children’s parents and think, “Well at least I’m not as bad as them!” I prefer to strive to be as good a parent as I can be, rather than measuring it against some other parent’s failings.

  161. Harri, I reckon you and Allan also wouldn’t feel comfortable if you stumbled onto this scene of crass heterosexuality

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39AO2yoPmJg

  162. … while on the other hand, what conservative will not smile to see Axel and Eigil, who’d been living together in Copenhagen for decades, finally get their big day as first gay couple in Europe, if not the world.

    http://www.buddybuddy.com/g3-ax%26e2.jpg

  163. Yes, really.
    BTW – were I to spend an afternoon with your gay son and his friends, and you, I’m pretty sure that it wouldn’t be your son and his friends I would have a problem with.

    But, you would be perfectly okay sitting there shooting the breeze with a couple of old queens and two young lads taking a couple of Viagra and whacking Ketamine and Charlie up their noses at a rate which would nobble a horse .. okay got it, that says far more about yuou than it does me.

    Congratulations.

  164. Noel

    You really do watch some shit.

    Does your wife know?

  165. Noel Cunning, on March 20th, 2015 at 12:44 PM Said:
    … while on the other hand, what conservative will not smile to see Axel and Eigil, who’d been living together in Copenhagen for decades, finally get their big day as first gay couple in Europe, if not the world.
    http://www.buddybuddy.com/g3-ax%26e2.jpg

    Now, they really are a couple of old queens.

    They don’t even look remotely like mincers.

  166. Paul – let’s just re-visit things

    Yes Allan, let’s indeed.

    OK – so that’s not so much a “risk of infection”: more of a guaranteed infection of some kind, any kind, there’s so many to choose from

    And yet the risk of infection element wasn’t the crux of my argument, it was the practice of such acts by hetrosexuals for eons and yet the human race hasn’t been decimated – an argument which you seem to have strenuously avoided.

    Paul – there is no “supposedly”. Open the links for confirmation

    So, you’ve zeroed in on my supposition comment and again avoided the crux of the argument which is:

    No you haven’t, you’ve provided a link of one instance when a Government has implemented a programme for children and because the PM is gay and the programme was supposedly created by a former government employee facing child porn charges you’ve attempted to tenuously link these dissparate threads together to ‘prove’ that homosexuality is apposite tp paedophilia

    So, because there’s a tenuous link of former employment between these two people that results in homosexuals being paedophiles?

    The response to that is that Judith Reisman doesn’t have the genes for the mission of destruction and I don’t see where I have ‘distanced myself’ from her writings

    Doesn’t she? How do you know? It’s funny how those ‘biologically programmed to destroy the host nation’ suddenly aren’t ‘biologically programmed to destroy the host nation’ when their writings can be used to support your claims. That’s an interesting piece of, ahem, ‘selection’.

    The fact is Noel, that I don’t run from your questions. I deal with them directly – and you don’t like it

    As shown above; the fact is you don’t.

    Well, I’m heterosexual and my closest friends are heterosexual yet nobody whom I know admits to buggering his wife/girlfriend. Perhaps it’s just the perverts on ATW who practice it

    That argument can be easily tweaked :

    Nobody whom I know thinks Jews are conspiring internationally to destroy western civilisation. Perhaps it’s just the nutcaseson ATW who think it

    However, the fact that you and your friends seem to have conversations about what sexual practices you engage in with your wives/ girlfriends seems quite perverse.

    Strangely enough, homosexuality used to be a mental illness, then it was decided by a vote at the American Psychiatric Association in 1974 that it wasn’t an illness.

    So? The only thing that demonstrates is that psychological and psychiatric theories change. It used to be thought that people with mental illness were possessed by demons and women used to be burned at the stake for being witches perhaps we should also revert to that?

  167. Now, they really are a couple of old queens.
    They don’t even look remotely like mincers.

    Apart from their arseholes probably resemble a couple of beachballs 😉

  168. But, you would be perfectly okay sitting there shooting the breeze with a couple of old queens and two young lads taking a couple of Viagra and whacking Ketamine and Charlie up their noses at a rate which would nobble a horse .. okay got it, that says far more about yuou than it does me.

    I didn’t say that, Harri. However, what consenting adults do in their private lives has really nothing to do with me, plus I do believe that you are exaggerating in order to try and prove some point, which says a lot about you.

    My point is that I would have no problem sitting with four gay men, but I would find it difficult to sit with a self-confessed homophobic bigot.

  169. I’ve said before Harri; I’ve two gay cousins and a gay nephew and I don’t recognise any of the behaviour you describe above.

  170. My point is that I would have no problem sitting with four gay men, but I would find it difficult to sit with a self-confessed homophobic bigot.

    Oh, change the record you old queen.

  171. Paul McMahon, on March 20th, 2015 at 2:27 PM Said:
    I’ve said before Harri; I’ve two gay cousins and a gay nephew and I don’t recognise any of the behaviour you describe above.

    I have a gay friend also, and he doesn’t act like that either.

    Being gay I understand, mincing about like Julian Clary, I don’t.

  172. Oh, change the record you old queen.

    Witty retort there 🙂 Is that the best you got?

  173. Witty retort there 🙂 Is that the best you got?

    In between mowing the lawn and chainsawing logs … yes 😉

  174. Perhaps, (and I mean no slant on anyone here Harri), it’s down to the particular type of person your son is and the company that he keeps rather than him being gay Harri?

  175. I have a gay friend also, and he doesn’t act like that either.
    Being gay I understand, mincing about like Julian Clary, I don’t.

    And he don’t (as far as I know) spend every single penny on class A drugs.

    What is there to be proud of?

  176. Paul McMahon, on March 20th, 2015 at 4:05 PM Said:
    Perhaps, (and I mean no slant on anyone here Harri), it’s down to the particular type of person your son is and the company that he keeps rather than him being gay Harri?

    Nail on head.

  177. He is 27, the path he has chosen he will be lucky to see 28ughter.

    My eldest daughter, who is 24, when she was 15 back in Slovakia, over dinner one day blurted out as calm as you like to her Slovak Grandmother, she wanted be an ‘exotic dancer’ in Slovakia, that’s a pole/lapdancer to you and me.

    Where did it all go wrong 😉

  178. Harri, on March 20th, 2015 at 4:12 PM Said:
    He is 27, the path he has chosen he will be lucky to see 28.

  179. So why did you start this off by giving the impression that you considered him mentally ill because he happens to be gay?

  180. Where did it all go wrong

    I remember some of the things we spoke about before Harri. You seem to have had a firly rough deal mate.

  181. Seimi, on March 20th, 2015 at 4:13 PM Said:
    So why did you start this off by giving the impression that you considered him mentally ill because he happens to be gay?

    Okay, I will re-phrase that, he makes me mentally ill 😉

    With worry.

    Paul Mc

    Precisely.

    All i need now is for all four daughters to announce they are raging lesbians and all chances of grandchildren have disappeared down the swannee.

    My other son seems hot blooded enough going by some of the girls he brings home 😉

  182. Paul Mc

    I think you are talking about the two children I lost at young ages, they were very dark times indeed.

    It never leaves you, it is with you night and day.

    But life goes on.

    Maybe, that just added to my disappointment with my gay sons lifestyle choice and the destructive path he has chosen.

  183. Okay, I will re-phrase that, he makes me mentally ill 😉
    With worry.

    That I can understand 🙂

  184. That’s very rough, Harri. Commiserations.

    But it’s good to see at least you haven’t lost your sense of humour. 🙂

  185. Thanks Noel.