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THE SCOTTISH LORD HAW HAW….

By ATWadmin On December 27th, 2006

galloway saddam.jpgThe man known as “Lord Haw Haw” – Irishman William Joyce, was hanged for his propagandist broadcasting on behalf of the Nazis against our Allied Forces during WW2.  A deserved fate in my view.


So anyway, I happened to listen to the “lion of the left” George Galloway on the radio this morning and in the space of ten minutes he alleged that;




  • George W Bush is “even more stupid than Gerald Ford” (Nice touch, kicking a dead man George)


  • That the UK and US “supported” Saddam when he gassed the innocents at Hallabjah

  • That Galloway is not anti “all wars” – it’s just that there haven’t been any in the past fifty years he agreed with…


  • That the Government is starving to death patients in hospital…

..and so it went. Every so often, moonbats would phone in saluting Galloway for his “courage” and “honesty”. The dregs of British society clearly tune in to this programme!


I do believe in freedom of speech but I also recall that Galloway has praised the Jihadi insurgents as they go about their daily slaughter. I thought of phoning in and correcting his most elementary delusions but then again I rate speaking to Saddamite loving spawn pretty low on my daily list of priorities.


Galloway is a latter day Haw Haw. Back then we knew how to deal with such scum. Now, we salute them.

38 Responses to “THE SCOTTISH LORD HAW HAW….”

  1. Be nice to Galloway, his best friend is going to be hanged sometime in the next month.

  2. May be it should have been "The US and Britain supported Saddam while he gassed the innocents at Halabja."

    I’m not really impressed with the Thatcher and Reagan governments’ logic in the Iraq matter.

  3. >>>That the UK and US "supported" Saddam when he gassed the innocents at Hallabjah<<<

    effectively they did. not only did they setup the kurds, but they provided saddam with the agents and technology which he turned on them. whats rarely talked about is the (very) frequent use of gas on the iranians, during the long war between those two countries. it would have been obvious that he would turn these weapons on internal enemies.

    the defeat of iran was more improtant to the west.

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    youre right about galloway tho. he is a ‘category a’ prick.

  4. The precursor chemicals for the gas used by Saddam’s foprces against Iran and the Kurds were supplied by Dutch and German firms – I have seen confirmatory links to that effect. This doesn’t mean that US and British firms didn’t supply similar chemicals but I’d need more than just Daytripper’s word that they did.
    On a similar theme, I hope that all readers will agree that the arms and munitions of Saddam’s forces were supplied by Russia, China and France in that order. We’ve been here before and yet nobody on the left will accept that the T-62s, MiGs, Mirages etc were not made in the US. No wonder that these countries wanted to keep one of their biggest customers.

  5. David,
    "The man known as "Lord Haw Haw" – Irishman William Joyce, was hanged for his propagandist broadcasting on behalf of the Nazis against our Allied Forces during WW2."

    What’s with the "Irishman" part? He was an American citizen.

    William Joyce was born in the United States and a British citizen (like your good self I presume).

    His mother was English and his father was a naturalised Irishman.

    He spent some of his childhood in Ireland alright before returning to England and joining the British Fascist movement.

    You’ll be telling me Chaim Herzog is Irish next.

    If he hadn’t bothered with a British passport he’d never have seen a hangman’s noose.

    Can’t be a traitor if you’re not a national.

  6. He had both British and US citizenship just in case the above post is confusing.

  7. Just when I thought Galloway couldn’t get more stupid and priggish, he says something like this. Gerald Ford was actually quite an intelligent man. He was an attorney and a retired naval instructor (and, incidentally, a man who immediately joined the armed forces after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor to serve his country). But hey, if Gorgeous George wants to take his historical lessons from crib notes based on a Chevy Chase skit, I suppose it’s his business.

  8. Garfield,

    "A few years after his birth, the family returned to Galway, Ireland. He attended the Jesuit St. Ignatius College, Galway, from 1915 to 1921…."

    OK – he was EDUCATED in Ireland. Feel better now?

  9. Allan,
    Saddam had the moral support of the Reagan and Thatcher administrations. He also had the support of Kuwait and Saudi Arabia as long as he was fighting Iran. Okay fine he didn’t buy Mirages from America. But are you so sure that he didn’t buy them with American dollars?

  10. Moonbatreturns,

    I guess I missed the exact moment of your Return, Moonbat. Weren’t you ensconced in a monastery in India in the last episode?

  11. >>>This doesn’t mean that US and British firms didn’t supply similar chemicals but I’d need more than just Daytripper’s word that they did.<<<<

    not only did we supply pre-cursors, but we went as far as showing saddams forces how to use them effectively. there are even indications that western agents were directing their use on the battlefield. ‘we’ were on the frontline.

  12. How many tanks were in the ‘moral support’ from Reagan and Thatcher? Where are T-62s made? Where are German firms based?
    The dollars which supposedly paid for the armaments? Wasn’t there a rather large debt for these arms owed by the Iraqi regime to the suppliers of the weapons?
    This little game has been played all over the internet. It is now established fact that the great bulk of armaments and precurosr chemicals did not come from the US and the UK. But if they did, then it means that the US and the UK had the good dense to rectify their mistake, unlike Russia, Chuina, France etc.

  13. Oops – a couple of typos in the previous.

  14. Just thought it was an odd one to call him an Irishman when he was born in American and held British and American citizenship.

    "He attended the Jesuit St. Ignatius College, Galway, from 1915 to 1921"

    He received his degree from the University of London so it would accurate he received some his education in Ireland.

    Also, as he and his family were strong unionists.

  15. Sniff I’m so touched, Alan McDonald, the one person who remembered me!

    Alan at Aberdeen, US funding of Saddam is also an established fact even if the internet happened to be dominated by people who believed the opposite (which it isn’t).

    http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/history/husseinindex.htm and countless other sites.

  16. Thanks Moonbat. I hope you’ll agree with me that the US and UK are deserving of respect for taking responsibility for defeating the monster which they helped to create (though to a lesser extent than Russia, France, and China).

  17. >>>Alan at Aberdeen, US funding of Saddam is also an established fact even if the internet happened to be dominated by people who believed the opposite (which it isn’t).<<<

    this is true, but only after the iranian revolution. before that the CIA was training kurdish rebels in the art of terrorism and unleashing them on baghdad.

  18. Let me get this straight. The Americans were training terrorists to attack Baghdad pre-1979, then they supplied weapons and money to Iraq post-1979 (was it the same man?). Meanwhile, nobody else (Russia and KGB, France, China) was doing anything – just the Americans. Is this true? Nobody else was doing anything? And where was Khomeini before he went back to Iran?

  19. not only did we supply pre-cursors, but we went as far as showing saddams forces how to use them effectively. there are even indications that western agents were directing their use on the battlefield. ‘we’ were on the frontline.
    Wednesday, December 27, 2006 at 04:56PM | Daytripper

    These ‘indications’: were they detectable in homeopathic quantities? How many ppm? Please advise on these ‘indications’. Was it Americans? Nobody else, just Americans? You don’t suppose that there might have been a couple of Russians there because they supplied a few thousand tanks to Iraq. And as for the French, didn’t they pull of a marvellous feat of salesmanship during the Iran-Iraq war and supplied both sides with armaments? They did, didn’t they – and they were paid in what? Were the French paid in oil for their arms? Arms for oil! That’s despicable, or it would be if Americans had done it before the French.

    When are you lefty loonies going to get a grip of yourselves? It is to be expected that there would be Americans somewhere in Iraq and Iran during the Iran-Iraq war, but I doubt that there would have been many. Meanwhile, there were no Russians, french, Chinese, Germans from BASF etc, only Americans.

  20. whats your point?

  21. I think the point is that once again you are failing to provide those of us who are, lets put this charitably, a tad sceptical of the things you say, with any actual proof. At least Moonbat bothered to post an actual link – as usual you just expect us to take your word for it.

    And it is laughable to try and point at US and UK culpability in Saddam’s activities, finger waggling in outrage, when compared to the enormous commercial links that other countries beloved of the Left, especially the French in particular, had to his regime.

  22. FYI DSD

    September 1980

    Iraq invades Iran.
    1981-1988

    The Reagan administration provides covert support to Iraq in an effort to prevent Iran from overrunning the oil-rich states of the Persian Gulf. [New York Times, 8/18/2002; Washington Post, 12/30/2002; Nation, 8/26/2002]

    US Air Force officers are secretly deployed to Iraq to assist their counterparts in the Iraqi military. [Nation, 8/26/2002]

    The US provides satellite photography to Iraq revealing the movements of the Iranian forces. [New York Times, 8/18/2002; Washington Post, 12/15/1986 Sources: senior military officers with direct knowledge of the program, Unnamed informed sources interviewed by reporter Bob Woodward]
    bullet The US provides Iraq with intelligence gathered by Saudi-owned AWACS operated by the Pentagon. [Nation, 8/26/2002]

    Iraq uses US-supplied military intelligence “to calibrate attacks with mustard gas on Iranian ground troops….” (see 1984) [Washington Post, 12/15/1986 Sources: Unnamed informed sources interviewed by reporter Bob Woodward]

    “[M]ore than 60 officers of the Defense Intelligence Agency …. secretly … [provide] detailed information on Iranian deployments, tactical planning for battles, plans for airstrikes and bomb-damage assessments for Iraq.” [New York Times, 8/18/2002 Sources: senior military officers with direct knowledge of the program]
    bullet President Reagan and Vice President George Bush personally deliver military advice to Saddam Hussein, both directly and through intermediaries (see 1986). [Washington Post, 12/30/2002; Affidavit. United States v. Carlos Cardoen, et al. [Charge that Teledyne Wah Chang Albany illegally provided a proscribed substance, zirconium, to Cardoen Industries and to Iraq], 1/31/1995 pdf file]

    The US closely monitors “third country arms sales to Iraq to make sure Iraq [has] the military weaponry required.” [Washington Post, 12/30/2002; Affidavit. United States v. Carlos Cardoen, et al. [Charge that Teledyne Wah Chang Albany illegally provided a proscribed substance, zirconium, to Cardoen Industries and to Iraq], 1/31/1995 pdf file]

    According to the censured portion of Iraq’s December 7, 2002 declaration to the UN (see December 7, 2002) (see December 19, 2002), Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory and Sandia National Laboratories help train Iraqi nuclear weapons scientists and provide nonfissile material for Iraq’s nuclear weapons program. [San Francisco Chronicle, 1/26/2003]

    (1981-1993)

    US and British companies are among several Western firms that sell Iraq materials that can be used to develop nuclear, chemical, biological, and conventional weapons. [Associated Press, 12/21/2002; New York Times, 12/21/2002; Washington Post, 12/30/2002; San Francisco Chronicle, 1/26/2003; Sunday Herald (Glasgow), 2/23/2003]

    United States –

    Biological: American Type Culture Collection, several biological precursor agents for diseases like anthrax, gangrene, and the West Nile virus; Alcolac International, Thiodiglycol, the mustard gas precursor; Al Haddad, 60 tons of a chemical that could be used to make sarin; Dow Chemical, $1.5 million of pesticides (see December 1988). [Washington Post, 12/30/2002; New York Times, 12/21/2002; Die Tageszeitung (Berlin), 10/18/2002]

    Nuclear: TI Coating; UNISYS; Tektronix; Leybold Vacuum Systems; Finnigan-MAT-US; Hewlett Packard; Dupont; Consarc; Cerberus (LTD) ; Canberra Industries; Axel Electronics Inc. [Die Tageszeitung (Berlin), 10/18/2002; Z Magazine, 10/29/2002]

    Rocket Program: Honeywell ;TI Coating; UNISYS; Honeywell; Semetex; Sperry Corp.; Tektronix; Hewlett Packard; Eastman Kodak; Electronic Associates; EZ Logic Data Systems, Inc. [Die Tageszeitung (Berlin), 10/18/2002; Z Magazine, 10/29/2002]

    Conventional weapons: Honeywell; Spektra Physics; TI Coating; UNISYS; Sperry Corp.; Rockwell; Hewlett Packard; Carl Zeis -U.S; Union Carbide. [Die Tageszeitung (Berlin), 10/18/2002; Z Magazine, 10/29/2002; San Francisco Chronicle, 1/26/2003; Washington Post, 12/30/2002]

    United Kingdom –

    Nuclear weapons: Euromac Ltd-UK.; C Plath-Nuclear; Endshire Export Marketing; International Computer Systems; MEED International; International Computer Limited; Matrix Churchill Corp.; Ali Ashour Daghir.; Inwako; XYY Options, Inc. [Sunday Herald (Glasgow), 2/23/2003]

    Chemical weapons: MEED International; International Computer Systems; International Military Services; Sheffield Forgemasters; Technology Development Group; International Signal and Control; Terex Corporation; Walter Somers Ltd. [Sunday Herald (Glasgow), 2/23/2003]

    Conventional: International Computer Systems; International Computer Limited; TMG Engineering. [Sunday Herald (Glasgow), 2/23/2003]

    plenty more here;

    http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=us_iraq_80s

  23. I note Bob Woodward has a lot of "un-named sources", Tripper.

    I note the repeated NYT references. Not that it has an agenda.

    LOL. Listen, cut and pasting interminable lists does NOT make an argument. My original point is that Galloway is a cheap on card trick who provides comfort to the enemy. Debate that.

  24. Now, daytripper, the question which you are refusing to consider is what were the French, the Russians, the Chinese, Hoechst, BASF etc all doing, or was it only Americans who were in Iraq 1980-90?
    Was there no post-sales support from Russia and France for their T-62 and Mirages? Very doubtful, especially as the French are particularly adept at supplying back-up sales service. Why don’t you put your search engine to good use and find out what was really happening because I refuse to believe your case that it was Americans only who sustained Saddam’s regime between 1980 and 1990.

  25. >>>LOL. Listen, cut and pasting interminable lists does NOT make an argument. My original point is that Galloway is a cheap on card trick who provides comfort to the enemy. Debate that.<<<

    >>>That the UK and US "supported" Saddam when he gassed the innocents at Hallabjah<<<

    your words, remember? i am debating your article and i am provinding support for one of his arguments which you, no doubt, believe to be false. i dont. and as you can see i have managed not to divert your debate with equivocation, unlike others.

    >>>I note Bob Woodward has a lot of "un-named sources", Tripper.<<<

    well we only need look at what happened to dr david kelly when sources are exposed. and bob woodward only made it onto the rightwing hate list recently, for his latest book (a state of denial).

    >>>I note the repeated NYT references. Not that it has an agenda.<<<

    and?

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    i shall reaffirm my position wrt galloway. i personally think he is a showboating prick, and a classic bygone reactionary. but he is bang on the money with the statement i am focusing on.

  26. >>>I refuse to believe your case that it was Americans only who sustained Saddam’s regime between 1980 and 1990.<<<

    where did i claim that. infact if you follow the timeline on the link i provided, you will see that iraq purchased weapons from many sources. but we werent discussing french or german involvement until you tried to divert a credible argument with equivocation (as usual). by the way, we (and many others) still sell arms and materiale to ruthless dictators. i object to all of it, from any quarter.

    all we need now is for allan to criticise my use of the word "at" then go on to claim my whole argument invalid.

  27. Daytripper. You only post on apparent American presence in Iraq but not on Russian, Chinese or French involvement. Given this fact, it is reasonable to infer that you believe that there was no Russian, Chinese or French presence otherwise you would have said so – because you are fair-minded and balanced.

    I’ll put it to you again – what was the extent of military support to Saddam from Russia, China and France, and how was it paid for? That’s all.

  28. >>>Daytripper. You only post on apparent American presence in Iraq but not on Russian, Chinese or French involvement. Given this fact, it is reasonable to infer that you believe that there was no Russian, Chinese or French presence otherwise you would have said so – because you are fair-minded and balanced.

    I’ll put it to you again – what was the extent of military support to Saddam from Russia, China and France, and how was it paid for? That’s all.<<<

    youre the one who seems so interested in equivocating. why dont you go off and investigate it yourself. then you can come back and publicly demolish an argument that exists only inside your head.

    what you invariably find out, if you bother to look, is that the US aided the purchase of weapons from many other countries, including soviet russia (which it did many times). you will also find that material support directly from the US is limited, due to this. but where they lacked in giving materiale they certainly made up in support. such as satellite intelligence and training. likely even to the point of agents commanding units in the field.

    either way, two wrongs dont make a right. anyone arming brutal dictators can be garunteed my contempt.

  29. That’s good, Daytripper. You’ve finally conceded that the Soviet Union actually did sell arms (lots of arms, as did France and China) to Iraq. And I don’t doubt that there was some American support to Iraq in order to prevent its defeat by Iran. Let’s just take it one step at a time. The next stage is for you to admit that the French provided arms for oil.

  30. allan, i still fail to see the point of all your equivocation. the US and UK actively aided in the destruction of hundreds of thousands of people using WMD. its nothing to be proud of.

  31. "…..actively aided in the destruction of hundreds of thousands of people using WMD…."

    Where are the dead and where are the millions ofd wounded which usually accompany such a huge number of deaths? I’ll tell you where they are – they’re walking around Iraq because the Lancet’s report was demonstrated as being utter and total bollocks.

    Daytripper, you’re still trippin’. Come back later.

  32. Allan,

    I think Daytripper is perhaps referring to the Iran/Iraq war and then the murders of Hussein’s own people under his regime and not the Lancet’s nonsense? Is this correct Daytripper?

  33. DSD, I think you’re right.
    Daytripper, please confirm after your trippin’ is finished.

  34. Allan@Aberdeen wrote:

    "the Lancet’s report was demonstrated as being utter and total bollocks"

    Please supply a link to a peer reviewed paper refuting the Lancet’s "report".

    No need to reply if you are just making it up as usual.

  35. DSD is correct.

  36. Frank, you’re right. There were nearly 700,000 dead in Iraq – but no-one can find the ‘missing’ 600,000 bodies, and the associated numbers of wounded. I’m sure they’ll turn up.

    Daytripper wrote:
    "allan, i still fail to see the point of all your equivocation. the US and UK actively aided in the destruction of hundreds of thousands of people using WMD. its nothing to be proud of."

    I thought you wrote previously that there were no WMD?

  37. Reality check:

    http://www.iraqbodycount.org/press/pr14.php

  38. Allan@Aberdeen:

    I was expecting you to link to a "demonstration", implying at least some credible evidence from individuals qualified to comment.

    Instead I see you have posted a link to some unqualified people raising an eyebrow and saying "600,000 is a very big lot".

    See this link for a point by point rebuttal of your "reality check":
    http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2006/10/another_lancet_roundup.php