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Another Cut an Paste

By Patrick Van Roy On June 13th, 2015

Here is an article that made a point that I feel is important, and will present a problem in the very near future.

When Obama Leaves Office, the Military Will Be Smaller Than It Was Prior to 9/11

Does that make sense? Is the world safer for America today than it was on Sept. 10, 2001?

When the U.S. military lacks the capacity and capabilities to protect all its vital interests, the country is worse off. It is just that simple.

As U.S. relative power declines, the Pentagon becomes increasingly unable to deal with more than one problem at a time. They know, for example, that if Washington becomes absorbed in a Middle East crisis, it will have less capacity and appetite to intervene elsewhere.

If the U.S. lacks the means to win, then an enemy’s answer is a lot easier: Just demonstrate the ability to make sure America knows wars will be messy. That will convince Washington the best course is to just back off.

As problems grow and the Pentagon loses more capacity to deal with them, decision makers in the U.S. will become increasingly risk-averse.

Adversaries will exploit America’s indecision and reluctance to engage.

Today, despite our multibillion-dollar investment, America’s military is not all that great. That was the finding of a two-year research effort by a team of analysts at The Heritage Foundation.

“The Index of U.S. Military Strength” grades the armed forces. The ranking this year? Marginal.

The Link leads to 9 very good reports if you have the time to read them.

SINCE PAUL DECIDED TO CONTINUE HIS PERSONAL ATTACKS THE THREAD IS SHUT DOWN.

36 Responses to “Another Cut an Paste”

  1. When Obama Leaves Office, the Military Will Be Smaller Than It Was Prior to 9/11

    Does that make sense? Is the world safer for America today than it was on Sept. 10, 2001?

    It doesn’t sound true, but even if is, so what?

    On 10th Sept 2001 the US military was, by a million miles, the most powerful on the planet. If it had been twice as strong that day 9/11 would still have happened. The strength of the military is irrelevent to 9/11 and this piece is nonsense.

    In fact a strong military had been used by Washington to bully and cajole, to invade and harrass, and therefore stoke the conditions for 9/11, as in Laden’s own words reveal.

    But who was ever interested in what bin Laden actually said?

    This is a nonsense piece.

  2. When we went into battle after 9/11 the press, the left, parents many people attacked Rumsfeld and Bush for sending our people into battle without enough equipment.

    Obama has cut the equipment we have on hand to levels lower than they were when the last President was attacked for not having enough equipment.

    Funny Pete you believe conspiracy kooks that 9/11 was an inside job based on rumor and wild imagination, yet with 9 highly detailed reports at your fingertips you deny the truth of facts…..

    as for it being a nonsense piece gee why don’t you counter it with a stunning Lame comedy piece or an even more profound piece on a Quote of the Day… such relevant and insightful pieces of yours….

    I guess even though I don’t judge and criticize the crap you put up, I guess you feel you must pass judgement on mine.

    Tell me Does it make you feel good or do you think it gives you unity and camaraderie with the 3 stooges?

  3. Funny Pete you believe conspiracy kooks that 9/11 was an inside job based on rumor and wild imagination, yet with 9 highly detailed reports at your fingertips you deny the truth of facts…..

    No. I’ve told you many times that I don’t think 9/11 is an inside job. If you cannot understand plain English that’s your problem.

    I guess even though I don’t judge and criticize the crap you put up, I guess you feel you must pass judgement on mine.

    What are you, the ATW gestapo? If you cannot stomach a different opinion from your own then stop posting. It’s as simple as that.

  4. The US military is not too small. The concept is absurd. Any president would have drawn down somewhat after the Ill thought out Iraq war which bled our military.

    The immediate and intermediate threat to the US comes from asymmetrical, terrorist type forces. Things like aircraft carriers and jet fighters aren’t of much use against these.

    The greatest need is for the well armed Iraqis, Turks and Nigerians to rediscover their manhood and learn to defend their nations and regions. They’d rather have their heads cut off than fight. Why?

    The US cannot and will not bear all the world’s burdens. Not anymore.

  5. Troll Ima give you a pass on your nonsense

    I thought my life was turning to shit but yours seems to be a shit show

    I am being forced to sell my business or go bankrupt, but atleast I have a business to sell. My health has taken a dive and I have had 2 toes amputated but atleast I am Canadian and have health care, You have alluded with out specifying much worse health issues.

    I would never claim to know exactly how you are doing but I feel you brother, spent 6 weeks in the hospital so far this year and thats more then enough

  6. EP

    I am sorry to hear that. Life does give us turns. The hits sometimes comes hard and in sets.

    I’ll pray for you to have the strength to endure. In the past 4 years I have lost everything material, and then my body shut down. I hated using my cane, but today I’m grateful if that is all I need.

    There are things we gather over the years sometimes the simplest things are the strongest and the most important.

    Their are people that can’t stomach the thought of GOD, or at least turning to one. GOD doesn’t necessarily need to be a being. It also means Good Orderly Direction. I can’t do it, he can, so let him.

    I take one day at a time, sometimes one minute. The cliches are cliches, but that doesn’t mean that they don’t ring true. When a door closes, a Window opens.

    God grant me the serenity to accept the things I can not change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.

    A simple saying, but one that helps. Have faith my friend and don’t be eaten by despair.

  7. What are you, the ATW gestapo? If you cannot stomach a different opinion from your own then stop posting. It’s as simple as that.

    LOL

    First you tell me that my post is nonsense. Then you get upset when I point out the not so importance of your own.

    I don’t mind a differing opinion, Phantom offers one you offer your rant of the evil American military and throw in an insult. It’s sad that to you the good in the world comes from Russia. It seems to be the only government you admire while you despise the American and the British. You are a confused man with a faulty moral view.

    I’ll never stop posting Pete, but you’re more than welcome to bail any time you choose.

  8. Phantom yes the immediate threat to the US comes from asymmetrical, terrorist type forces but the Russians and the Chinese have tripled their military capacity in the last 10yrs. What China is doing in the south sea is a prelude to aggression.

    Who do you think these military’s are gearing up to challenge?

    The Left always leave us vulnerable. Obama hasn’t drawn down or shrunk our military in response to less of a threat, he has cut whole sections out whether they were key components or not.

    You blame Bush for Obama’s catastrophic dealing with the ME, for the new threat that he allowed to develop and take shape on his watch, so I would say you are the last person to listen to about any thing this administration has done on security.

    I know the Military cuts were Bush’s also right… Obama is just following the Bush plan.

    Bush may have sucked, and may have made wrong decisions. But he must have been one of the most powerful Presidents since our nations creation. Fore not only is he responsible for every event in his 8 years according to you he is responsible for every event of Obama’s 8 years. 16yrs the longest controlling President in American History.

  9. Russia under Putin is a stumbling belligerant. I think that they can be managed.

    China is a very real aggressor, and unlike Russia, they have an economy. They’ve succeeded in unifying Asia against them.

    The US alliance with Japan, Korea, Australia and NZ, iwith Taiwan and Vietnam as informal members, is essential for world peace.

    The US remains very well armed. We bear heavy military burdens, way more than our share ( not including own goals like Iraq) . Some of our allies need to start doing more. And the well armed Iraqis need to stand up and fight.

  10. Funny Pete you believe conspiracy kooks that 9/11 was an inside job based on rumor and wild imagination

    Based on science and facts, yet you choose to be ignorant.

  11. I’ll pray for you to have the strength to endure. In the past 4 years I have lost everything material, and then my body shut down. I hated using my cane, but today I’m grateful if that is all I need.

    All that pain, hurt and anguish, all that praying… you’r chosen sky-wizard can be unbelievably cruel.

  12. Far from ramping up military expenditure, huge political efforts should be made to produce a binding international treaty requiring all nations including USA Russia and China to reduce their military expenditure by 1 or 2% each year. Its a pipe dream and it will probably never happen but what a sad waste of human resources that could be spent on infrastructure, health, economic improvement etc. but instead trillions is being spent globally on increasing the power and ability to kill and destroy.

  13. Human nature has not changed.

    The UK, Europe generally, Japan and Korea need to significantly increase their military expenditures.

    They’ve essentially had a defense heavily subsidized by the US during the entire post WW2 era.

    The US spends too much, and you spend too little.

  14. The nature of military spending has changed too. The US spends more on weapons (and arming ‘allies’) than ever before IIRC; it spends less on troops on the ground/ready to be deployed troops. Still the % of military ready to be deployed is nearly 4x the amount of EU countries. I remember that EU members are supposed to contribute (by agreement) a certain % of GDP to military spending but most countries don’t comply….was it the UK or Germany who managed it recently? Saudis Arabia and Japan are increasing spending…China has been fiscally prudent in recent years; matching their increase to GDP…that’s not to say they’re not more aggressive. There’s a ‘peace’ institute in Sweden that tracks and compiles all kinds of military facts and figures.

  15. EP…things sound pretty grim right now; sorry to hear things are going poorly healthwise and businesswise. You are lucky to have good healthcare though. I hope things get better for you soon.

  16. http://www.sipri.org

  17. The Europeans have had a free ride for 70 years. They like it this way. I don’t recall any of them here speaking up for a larger defense expenditure by Britain or others either, including on the part of the cheerleaders for US and Israeli military actions.

    Just sayin’.

  18. The Germans are not doing a bad job on the military front.

    They own Europe for a start.

    he Dutch Army is made up of three brigades, plus support staff and Special Forces. On June 12, one of those brigades, the 11th Airmobile, officially joined the German Army.

    This was the first time ever that European country has handed part of its army over to another country. “Never before has a state renounced this elementary and integral part of its sovereignty,” wrote Die Welt’s political editor, Thorsten Jungholt.

    “The hour has come, finally, for concrete steps towards a European Army.”
    — Chairman of the German Parlaiment’s Defence Committee Hans-Peter Bartels
    Now, Germany is making it clear that this was not an isolated event. Instead, it is a pattern Germany intends to follow as it absorbs more units from foreign militaries. “Germany is driving the European Army Project” was the title of Jungholt’s Die Welt article.
    https://www.thetrumpet.com/article/11998.32557.0.0/world/military/germany-is-building-a-european-army-before-your-eyes

  19. I oppose the US invasion.

    But it did have two good effects that all here must agree with

    The Kurds got a long deferred de facto independent state which by regional standard is well governed

    And

    The Sunni dictatorship, was undone and the majority Shia now govern.

    Now if the well armed Shia won’t fight then they deserve to have their heads cut off by ISIS.

    They have the trained soldiers and they have the weapons. Let them fight like men.

  20. I oppose the US invasion

    So did the millions of people all over the world who took part in mass protests, they were totally ignored.

    The neo-cons had already made their minds up.

    Millions worldwide rally for peace

    Huge turnout at 600 marches from Berlin to Baghdad
    Angelique Chrisafis, David Fickling, Jon Henley, John Hooper, Giles Tremlett, Sophie Arie
    Huge waves of demonstrations not seen since the Vietnam war jammed more than 600 towns and cities around the world over the weekend as protesters from Tasmania to Iceland marched against war in Iraq. Up to 30 million people demonstrated worldwide, including around 6 million in Europe, according to figures from organisers and police, although most conceded there were too many people in too many places to count.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/feb/17/politics.uk

  21. The Iraq slaughter war. You broke it, you own it.

  22. Paul

    Do you think that the Iraqi Army should fight, or do you think that they should wait until ISIS gets around to cutting their heads off?

    I don’t see a third choice. If there is, please enlighten me.

    Trash the US and Blair all day long, but that’s not helpful here.

  23. 10 years and billions of tax payers dollars to train the Iraqi army, and they throw down their weapons and run away.

    15 years and billions of dollars of tax payers dollars top train the Afghan army, and they shoot you in the back, then run away.

    Iraq & Afghanistan invasions have to be the biggest military blunders in history.

  24. yes the US created the Problem… I know it was the Jews making us do it to keep the weapons manufacturers busy.

    It had nothing to do with 3000 dead killed by terrorists.

    but what do you expect but from a man who supports and is friends with Irish Terrorists that kill woman and children and unarmed civilians.

    You Paul are as guilty as any terrorist. No go on down to your local pub and buy a round for your bomb planting friends. Praise them for every civilian they murdered.

  25. It had nothing to do with 3000 dead killed by terrorists.

    Correct, all but one were Saudi nationals.

  26. but what do you expect but from a man who supports and is friends with Irish Terrorists that kill woman and children and unarmed civilians.

    How many Iraqi innocent women and children were slaughtered in ‘shock & awe’ ?

  27. Maybe whoever is training ISIS, should be training the Iraq and Afghan army, they are obviously making a better job of it.

  28. “There’s a lot of really good people here,” Bush said. “Look, you can’t deny the fact that some, a majority, of the terrorists came from Saudi, but you should not condemn an entire society based upon the actions of a handful of killers.”

    George Bush.

    So, one of the hijackers was an Iraqi, so Bush invaded Iraq.

    Okay, got it.

  29. Paul

    If the Iraqi Army has no interest in saving their own lives, that is a problem that they have created.

    They have more weapons than ISIS does. Maybe they could try getting out of bed before dawn some day and actually going into harms way and use them.

  30. What if any responsibilities do any Iraqis have? Including the Iraqi Army.

    And ISIS is transnational into Syria, and the US is not at all responsible for Syria.

    And BTW, yer man Tony Blair is if anything more of an author if this Iraq ” regime change ” than GW Bush ever was.

  31. that problem was created by the US and its nonsensical invasion.

    The problem was created by the creation of Iraq in 1919. From the start it was an artificial state and it is pre-destined to split into Kurd, Sunni and Shia states. The blame lies with the British and French and the Sykes-Picot imperialist carve up in 1919. The US invasion in 2003 has merely accelerated the inevitable bloody denouement.

  32. All states are artificial.

    Good piece in WaPo:

    Kaplan simply regurgitates the claim that the Sykes-Picot Agreement was arbitrarily drawn, and did not conform to sectarian or national realities on the ground, implying that the “artificial” borders drawn by the agreement have contributed to the sectarian strife we see today.

    Complaints about artificial states imply that borders can ever be natural. While nationalist elites may like to portray borders as natural to their kin groups, around the world, states were formed through social processes involving conflict and negotiation to create the borders we see today.

    That’s true whether those borders have expanded, contracted, or been drawn by outsiders or insiders, but in all cases they are socially constructed and no more artificial than any other borders. To hold up some imperial divisions (like Ottoman borders) as “natural” while calling more recent colonial borders “artificial” greatly confuses the extent to which all borders are drawn through social processes, politics and violence.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp/2015/06/09/this-is-not-the-middle-eastern-order-you-are-looking-for/

  33. No, states often are really useful things, and would be entirely supported by those living in the land concerned.

    How is the existence of a Japanese state unnatural?

    What would be more natural than a state where Japanese speaking Japanese people ran the place?

    What would you replace it with?

  34. I think you have missed the point quite spectacularly.

  35. The invasion and occupation of Iraq is directly responsible for the rise of ISIS:

    No it’s not the rise of ISIS is due to several factors. One Obama’s abandoning of Iraq and refusing to negotiate a status of forces agreement, Two the fact that no other nation in the world is doing crap about them not any western State. Three the Arab forces fighting a war is a joke. Unless they can send their children in to self explode they just can’t fight.

    Look at what happened when Obama abandoned the territory. No other nation Britain, France, Ireland, Germany etc are capable of doing anything to counter any Army conventional or otherwise.

    What you are witnessing in the ME is what happens when the only Country in the West that is capable of fighting steps away.

  36. Phantom and I were having a perfectly civil discussion before you arrived.

    You seem intent on dragging another thread down with your crass insults and supreme stupidity.

    REALLY PAUL

    Hey fuckwad it’s my thread say goodbye to it.

    I said nothing derogatory to you but you attack me so FUCK YOU you terrorist supporting scum!