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THE BREXIT DEBATE…

By David Vance On June 8th, 2016

Here is the Youtube of my TV debate last night…

37 Responses to “THE BREXIT DEBATE…”

  1. so your opposition there brings the whole Brexit down to one thing he wants the flood of immigrants to continue so they can swell the ranks of the Unions and bring the corporations to their knees.

    communism

  2. Europe’s big companies are largely unionized anyway, and in places like Germany the unions and management generally get along and generally see the big picture. The unions don’t want to bring the corporations to their knees in a hyper competitive world – why would they want that?

    There is zero reason to think that these largely utterly unskilled and unsuitable ” migrants ” will increase union membership.

    The ” migrations ” are catastrophic, but these tired slogans do not fit.

  3. ask his debate partner he was the one that brought up thatcher and the unions

  4. Mr. Wight seems to be all for union power but nowhere here does he say that ” migrants ” help make the unions stronger. No one could make that bad an argument.

    David here speaks well, doesn’t let him get pushed around, and has a good TV presence. A star!

  5. That’s a lovely vista. It makes you want to get your walking boots on.

    Good work DV. Very well done.

  6. That’s a lovely vista. It makes you want to get your walking boots on

    Belfast is walled by mountains and moated by the sea Pete.

    There’s a great fourteen mile walk across the Belfast hills from Divis mountail in the West of the city to Cavehill in the North.

  7. One of these days

  8. he wants the flood of immigrants to continue so they can swell the ranks of the Unions and bring the corporations to their knees.

    What? It’s the multinational corporations that are 100% in favour of the UK staying in the EU because of the flood of cheap, non-union labour which has depressed UK pay rates for years. The more intelligent union leaders see this and are for Brexit:

    “Nigel Farage has claimed there is a “big shift” within Britain’s trade union movement in support of leaving the EU. The UKip leader said recent votes by some of the biggest unions – including Aslef and the RMT – in support of Brexit had left him “surprised” and “encouraged”. Mr Farage told an audience in central London: “ASLEF have voted for their members to leave Europe, the RMT and the Bakers Union have done the same thing. “I actually think there has been a big shift within the trade union movement…”

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/trade-unions-moving-towards-brexit-7497033

  9. It’s supply and demand

    Union leaders in the United States used to be very aware of this issue as were black leaders such as Shirley Chisholm who spoke out against large-scale immigration of the unskilled

  10. Paul McMahon –

    I know it is. A friend and I spent a day hiking up Black Mountain. We went over to Donegal, which is gorgeous, to see another friend, walk some more and sit in pubs. There are many worse ways to pass the time.

  11. First off DV, well done and thanks for speaking on the EU.

    Just one thing I would like to correct not just you, buy msny other people also. Should the UK vote to leave the EU (God willing) then the UK ‘would not have left the EU’ as people seem to think. For the UK to want to leave the EU, we would first have to invoke Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty. The process for which, could take up to two years.

    The more this is spoken about, the better.

  12. Well debated David.

    Were you in the BBC studio in Ormeau Avenue? Just curious to know if the BBC is earning rent from Russia Today.

  13. For the UK to want to leave the EU, we would first have to invoke Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty.

    We will have to pull spineless Cameron’s toenails out first before he does that – his wife’s family will lose millions in EU cash if we leave the stupid club.

  14. Anyway, it looks like Frexit would be a cert, but only if they get to vote on it. Vive la revolution!

    http://davidstockmanscontracorner.com/even-france-shuns-europe-as-brexit-revolt-spreads/

  15. “The Remain camp believes its strongest backing is cosmopolitan, urban, younger and better educated. The Leave campaign sees strength in the smaller towns, amongst older voters, amongst those who feel economically vulnerable, who are fearful of their known world disappearing, and those who believe staying in the EU carries risks for the economy.

    Politically, Europe is in limbo, on hold until the referendum on 23 June. But Europe’s leaders know they have to find answers to an alienation from the European project much wider than just the British detachment from the EU. Significantly, 53% of French people would like a referendum of their own, 48% of Italians are now in favour of leaving the EU and even 29% of Germans want to leave…”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36458369

  16. “The Remain camp believes its strongest backing is cosmopolitan, urban, younger and better educated.

    Better educated – as in having been to university? We see on another thread what iniversities are today. Younger – as in knowing nothing BUT knowing everything from having been to university.

    (Peter – not attacking you. I know that you favour Brexit)

  17. It’s the multinational corporations that are 100% in favour of the UK staying in the EU because of the flood of cheap, non-union labour which has depressed UK pay rates for years.

    True, very true:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/07/bilderberg-conference-dresden-charlie-skelton-bilderblog

    Prime ministers, finance ministers, leading entrepreneurs and a former spy chief are among the attendees at this year’s influential Bilderberg conference, but one regular guest, George Osborne, will be absent.

    The guest list for the conference, which begins on Thursday in Dresden, was released on Tuesday and includes a large number of senior politicians and policymakers, dozens of bank bosses and high-finance billionaires who will gather inside the newly erected security fence around the Hotel Taschenbergpalais.

    Two prime ministers, four finance ministers, the head of the IMF and a vice-president of the European commission are all listed as attendees. With so many politicians present, including three members of the German cabinet, the German military has been drafted in to oversee security.

    That will be fun – the German Army can’t keep 3rd-worlders out of Germany

    No one wants the Danish minister of justice or the deputy prime minister of Turkey to have to field awkward questions, such as: “Where do you stand on corporate lobbying?” Especially when they’re standing between the chairman of HSBC and the president of Siemens.

    And that’s what this year’s Bilderberg looks like: the financial, industrial and high-tech transatlantic establishment. Still powerful enough to have ministers and European commissioners come running when they open their doors, but perhaps a bit more anxious than in recent decades. Russia and China are still bubbling around their agenda, and now there’s a new concern: Brexit.

    Many of the participants at this year’s Bilderberg have spoken out publicly against it. And on this year’s agenda we find the intriguing topic: “Europe: migration, growth, reform, vision, unity”. Since it began back in the 1950s, Bilderberg has been pushing for the unity of Europe, and it’s not about to stop now.

    Thomas Enders, the CEO of Airbus, said recently: “The aerospace industry – I think amongst others – will lobby… for a yes vote of the British electorate on the EU.” Whatever happens in the days leading up to the referendum, you can be sure Bilderberg will be lobbying hard. After all, it’s what they do best.

    Now – the machines which do the counting of the votes, especially the ‘postal votes’: who owns them and the software?

  18. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/09/world/europe/austria-far-right-election-result.html?_r=0

    On Wednesday, the Freedom Party’s chairman, Heinz-Christian Strache, submitted 150 pages of documents to the Constitutional Court, claiming “numerous irregularities and failures” in the counting of the runoff votes. According to the Austrian news agency APA, Mr. Strache submitted three documents: one from himself, the second from Mr. Hofer and the third from “voters and citizens.”

    Mr. Strache said there had been electoral irregularities or fraud in 94 of 117 regional polling stations. In 82 of the stations, he said, at least 573,000 mail-in ballots were sorted or counted before the election authorities were even on site to monitor the process.

    See the last sentence. That’s why things are becoming very 3rd-world in Europe, and the UK is no exception.

  19. Allan

    You have a point here. The registration to vote deadline has been extended by 48 hours, because the Remain camp are convinced that will benefit their cause. If it was otherwise, the late registers would be told to suck it up, no question.

  20. Pat Condell nails it here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFt-pRIvL9E

  21. The guy from Belfast has a point about foreigners coming in without the native population having a say so. Brits Out!

    (I kid, I kid).

  22. Jesus, I just realized I came up with an anti-EU slogan – Brits Out!

  23. “The guy from Belfast has a point about foreigners coming in without the native population having a say so. Brits Out!”

    That’s unfair, Mahons. Those particular immigrants were Christians and as such made a point of integrating with the native populat…oh. Oh dear. Never mind.

  24. The registration to vote deadline has been extended by 48 hours, because the Remain camp are convinced that will benefit their cause.

    No question about that. I heard it on the car radio and my mind shouted FIX! They need enough to make it plausible and the corporates who own the counting systems will make it happen. Austria and Scotland were test runs for the biggies – the UK’s EU referendum, and the US Presidentials (as the Trump candidacy now requires)

  25. Wow! That was great, David. You are a formidable debater…. and very polite. 🙂

    And I loved the shout-out to the Zombie Apocalypse.

  26. An English NYC work friend is just returned from a short trip to London

    First thing out of his mouth when I saw him today – ” Brexit’s gonna happen “

  27. His colleagues there said that the remains had botched the campaign terribly with OTT fear tactics that people are not taking seriously and that the momentum is going for Brexit as we enter the final week.

    Not scientific at all, but there you are.

  28. hope he’s right

  29. Hold on, hold on…

    Right-wing poster boy, Jeremy Clarkson, has come out as a Remainer.

    Cue utter confusion among brain-dead, Sun-reading, Top Gear fans.

  30. The fear campaign has been political malpractice on a grand scale.

    Like I said a while back, the Brits don’t scare that easily, the appeal to fear, which was not even logical in the details on trade etc, could have cost Remains the election.

    A positive campaign would have served Remain so very much better.

  31. No Cox NO dead.

  32. *MP

  33. MourneReg, on June 16th, 2016 at 5:07 PM Said:
    Hold on, hold on…
    Right-wing poster boy, Jeremy Clarkson, has come out as a Remainer.
    Cue utter confusion among brain-dead, Sun-reading, Top Gear fans.

    No sour grapes there then ?

  34. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/16/labour-mp-jo-cox-shot-in-west-yorkshire

  35. details on murder of Jo Cox MP
    here’s a youtube of her fine speech on syria:


  36. Britian First
    I guess this Nut is thinking he’s saving the UK
    by killing our Remain MP’s
    horrible man that done this evil act.
    Thread soon we hope DVATW busy on twitter
    grumbling about the headline no doubt !
    tick tock .

  37. Some very recent comments from NY Times readers on the matter of Brexit

    John L Greenwich, CT 56 minutes ago

    In private life, few of us keep the doors of our homes open; fewer let neighbors, strangers or the homeless take shelter in our homes; almost none of us keep our bank accounts open and accessible to strangers, friends or even relatives in need. George Soros and Bill Gates are wonderful philanthropists but they pick and choose the causes they support, do not open up their bank accounts to all.

    Why is it any different with a nation and national resources? Brexit in Britain and Trumpism in the US are understandable reactions to the rapid erosion of national borders, identity and autonomy over the past few decades leading to an apprehensive sense of loss of control over local identity, character, institutions, borders and over local businesses, social and religious institutions.

    Attempts to re-establish nationhood and citizenship need not conflict with immigration, trade or respect for one’s neighbors or guests, in much the same way that building a fence or locking the doors to our homes is not a sign of boorishness or hostility but is just the normal way of maintaining safety, autonomy and privacy.

    RCP NY 55 minutes ago

    Horrors. The U.K. may collapse if it leaves the EU. Even though it still has its own currency. Even though it’s economy has been doing better than the EU as a whole since the credit crisis. Even though it’s an island. God forbid it go it alone. Sounds like something its monarch once said to a small group of colonists across the pond about 240 years ago. Look how that turned out. Perhaps history tells us that the parallels between European consolidation and imperialism aren’t such a good thing. But, of course, no one pays attention to history, hence, it continues to rhyme, if not repeat.