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Meanwhile, back at the front….

By ATWadmin On September 22nd, 2007

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October 22 – 26, 2007 is Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week in the United States as student groups across America sponsor a series of campus events designed to bring a message to their academic communities “that challenges most of what students are taught about the so-called War on Terror both in the classroom and on the quad.”

 

"The plight of Muslim women will be featured at “teach-in” panels and also at sit-ins in Women’s Studies Departments, designed to protest the absence of courses that focus on Islamic gynophobia. The silence of Women’s Studies departments in the face of this oppression is a national outrage. College students are offered the opportunity to study the “oppression” of women in Boston and Beverly Hills in hundreds of Women’s Studies courses across America. But there is not a single course we are aware of that addresses the real oppression of women in Teheran and Riyadh. In Saudi Arabia, to take one horrendous example, Saudi police recently shot to death schoolgirls who were fleeing a burning building without their veils. Better that they should be dead than seen…

 

…The purpose of Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week is as simple as it is critical: to confront the two Big Lies of the political left: that George Bush created the "war on terror" and that global warming is a greater danger to Americans than global jihad and Islamic supremacism. "(My emphasis.)

 

Do you think anyone at Columbia will ask Ahmadinejad about Islamic gynophobia in Iran?  

 

52 Responses to “Meanwhile, back at the front….”

  1. They’ll be too busy cheering him. I think he should be arrested myself. His regime sponsors the deathd of US troops in Iraq. Book him.

  2. Patty makes a very good point about the failure to address the oppresion of women in islamic countries as a genuine human right issue. The world rightly expressed disgust at the apartheid policies of the old South Africa whic singled out people for lesser legal and political rights on the grounds of race yet the same sort of apartheid based on gender in Saudi Arabia has not lead to anything like the same degree of international disgust.

  3. "Gynophobia" is a new one on me. What’s wrong with the term ‘misogyny’.

    While I agree that it would be wrong to ignore Islamic misogyny, I doubt that it is actually occurring. Also, from where does the need to focus on flavours of misogny spring? Either you oppose misogyny or you do not. Does it matter if it is Catholic or Christian or secular misogny or Islamic?

    The global warming reference is an amazing non sequitur also.

  4. Frank

    Of course mysoginistic attitudes occur in all cultures but Saudi Arabia has specific laws that deny women freedoms that men have. Laws against driving for example or to independently travel abroad without permision from a male authority figure (husband or father). Those rules are as wrong as the ‘petty apartheid’ rules in South Africa and should be opposed just as strongly.

  5. Women’s studies should focus more on the treatment of women in all traditions.

    I have a coupe of isues with this ‘awareness week.’

    1- the name ‘Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week’ ( if that is what it is being called) is derogatory and divise- and will simply drive the moderates among us away. So it is counter-productive- as you reduce the very audience you wish to speak to.
    2- Linking the brutal and undemocratic treatment of women ( Islamic women) to justify the "War on Terro- and by extension the war on the sovereign nation of Iraq,’ indicates the real politik behind it. Again, driving away the audience.

    This looks to me like it has nothing to do with women’s issues in Islamic states/elsewhere- but a politically motivated movement to attempt to defend the indefensible.

    The sad part is, that a forum is needed to educate the world about the wrongs against women. From genital mutilation, lack of a right to drive/vote/etc., to subjugation of women through prostitution/porn and child prostitution- a non-political voice is needed.
    ( BTW Saudi Arabia, which treats women the worst of many Muslim nations, and from whence the hijackers came, is a US spondered state).

  6. Colm,

    I agree, I am just sceptical of the the claim that "feminists" in general ignore all that. This is what I am referring to with "actually occurring".

  7. Please excuse the woeful typing there folks.

  8. Excellent and thougtfull comments pinky.

  9. Frank: I took the new word: "gynophobia" directly from the Islamo-Facism Awareness Week website that I link to above. I like this word because "Gyno" is instantly recognizable as referring to women due to the fact that most adult women go to the gynocologist every year and "phobia"… well, we all know what a "phobia" is.

    "Misogyny" is a fine word, but not the one they chose to use, so it’s not the one I used.

    Far from being a non sequitor, “Global Warming” is one of the key elements in the progressive left’s censorship of the discussion and exposure of the islamo-fascist threat we face.

    The progressive left have largely closed down any criticism of Islam with the charge: ISLAMOPHOBIA

    …and instead, the media and Democratic Presidential nominees in the US obsess on global warming, a questionable, unproven threat.

    This awareness week is a protest against this censorship.

  10. Pinky: "This looks to me like it has nothing to do with women’s issues in Islamic states/elsewhere- but a politically motivated movement to attempt to defend the indefensible.

    Why is protesting against censorship — starting with the censorship of the woeful gynophobia perpetuated by radical islam — why is this indefensible?

  11. the saudis have been used as a balance against less moderate regimes for global purposes, but too often have been given a pass in some areas. we’d like them to behave better, as we would the world. i would hope that those interested in protecting basic human rights during this week would note that they are under siege from non-islamic sources as well.

  12. Hi Mahons

    We don’t normally have the pleasure of your company here on the weekend.

    Patty

    I think your idea that the Global warming debate is deliberately ‘bigged up’ in order to silence debates around Islamic intolerance is rather far fetched.

  13. Why is protesting against censorship — starting with the censorship of the woeful gynophobia perpetuated by radical islam — why is this indefensible

    Patty, that is not what I was calling indefensible. The invasion of the soveriegn state of Iraq is what I meant.

    And why start with Islamic ‘Gynophobia’? And why link it to the ‘War on Terror’?

    And will the group begin with the worst offender of all Muslim countries, Saudi Arabia?

    I think women’s issues around the world( as I listed above) are serious enough to stand alone. And should!

    Incidentally, I recall reading an article about a group of American women who appealed to George Bush ( prior to 9-11) to speak up about the treatment of women under the Taliban. He refused-using the sovereignty issue.
    I recall the genital mutiliation issue being pooh poohed away by the same people as a soverignty/human rights issue.

    Why now?

  14. Mahons, the Saudis a BALANCE???
    In regards treatment of its female population? Surely you are joking?

  15. Colm: I got the mrs. a laptop for these weeks while we await the arrival of the wee mahons duo. it gives her something to do besides find things for me to do. like all good gifts i have stolen i mean borrowed it for a few moments.

    Pinky: I can’t stand the saudi government and their treatment of women is disgusting. The balance I refer to is the balance of power in the region and to achieve are goals there we have to deal with these devils. not any easy thing but a necessary thing.

  16. ‘Pinky: I can’t stand the saudi government and their treatment of women is disgusting. The balance I refer to is the balance of power in the region and to achieve are goals there we have to deal with these devils. not any easy thing but a necessary thing.’

    Like thr US dealt with Iraq, during the Iraq-Iran war? Providing them with the chemical weapons they are now hanging them for using?

  17. Colm: I got the mrs. a laptop for these weeks while we await the arrival of the wee mahons duo. it gives her something to do besides find things for me to do. like all good gifts i have stolen i mean borrowed it for a few moments

    Mahons, congrats and good luck.

  18. Pinky: Like dealing with joe stalin so you can blog in english instead of german. we have to make some pretty hard to take alliances in what has been and will be an unsafe world. sometimes they turn your stomach and other times they are outright mind boggling mistakes.

    and thanks for the nice thought. cheers.

  19. Colm: "I think your idea that the Global warming debate is deliberately ‘bigged up’ in order to silence debates around Islamic intolerance is rather far fetched."

    This is very interesting. I don’t think that it is bigged up, as in intentional conspiracy or something.

    But I do think the "global warming" narrative — whereby immediate global action is necessary and requires the US to embrace Kyoto or some other internationally mandated ruling, — conveniently fits the narrative of the progressive left..

    The progressive left believes in the superiority of a UN or EU model; the sovereignty of the nation-state is outmoded in the eyes of the progressive left.

    The "global warming" threat gives these "one-worlders" a tool to create one-world under some global regulatory umbrella.

    The jihadi threat – however — requires nation states to fight for their survival. A love of God and country is required to win against islamo-fascism- and this runs counter to the progressive left one-world narrative.

  20. . we have to make some pretty hard to take alliances in what has been and will be an unsafe world. sometimes they turn your stomach and other times they are outright mind boggling mistakes.

    Spoken like a true realist ( politically) there Mahons.

    ‘Idealists’ like myself, I guess, unrealistically believe that with our our advancement and civilising, believe that at some stage we must get past making outright mind boggling mistakes, which are causing so much misery around the world.

  21. Patty,

    "Far from being a non sequitor, “Global Warming” is one of the key elements in the progressive left’s censorship of the discussion and exposure of the islamo-fascist threat we face. "

    Come off it. Censorship? Please. That argument is self-refuting and seems rather like projection, in that rightworld is desparate to change the subject from global warming.

    False dichotomy anyway. It is possible to address more than one issue.

  22. and this runs counter to the progressive left one-world narrative.

    Patty, in theory you are wrong here.
    Progressives ( in politics terms) are constructivists and critical theorists- the very definition of these being that they seek many narratives to explain each global phenomena ( I can never spell that word).
    It is the realists ( typically right-wingers) who theoretically have a one-world narrative, the world is anarchic ( another word I can’t spell), politics can be expalined in a scientific manner ( think Morgenthau).

  23. A realist is an idealist who has had his wallet stolen – to paraphrase an old line. I prefer to defend our ideals with realism, but it is improtant to strike some balance.

  24. Pinky: As long as I can understand it, I don’t really care about spelling or punctuation. (although it does help an argument to spell and punctuate!) So, no worries there.

    "politics can be expalined in a scientific manner ( think Morgenthau)."

    Can you explain what you mean by this?

    Also, when I refer to the "progressive left" I am thinking of groups like ANSWER (communist front group) that is working in tandem with CAIR (Hamas front group) to stage rallies claiming "Islamophobia" — these groups are emboldened and supported by America’s academic and media elite and the result is that criticism and discussion of islamo-fascism is censored.

  25. Frank: I’m arguing the exact opposite.

    It’s not possible to criticize Islam if the media choose to fill their pages with global warming, and if Universities fail to hold discussion or classes because of the fear of being called "Islamophobic." Is this not censorship?

  26. Patty,

    "the result is that criticism and discussion of islamo-fascism is censored."

    Please list some instances in which such criticism has been censored.

  27. Patty, there are seven point of realism according to Morgenthau ( the father of realism). He would be very much at ease here with yourself and many others, in your world views.
    The seven points , I will look them up ( or you can). I can’t remember the 7.
    The essence is this however- it is a dog eat dog world- always has been always will- where everyone wants to be top dog, in control of all resoucres etc. Of course this is a coarse summary.
    The most important point is that it is ONE narrative- never changing and never accepting change.
    What I am arguing with you is your point about one-narrative progressives.
    Theroetically ( if only that) it is incorrect. Progressives are defined by their multi-layered and tiered narratives ( you might say we are blethering around the issues- David probably will). And that is a fair criticism. Constructivists and Critical Theorists are in theory creating other narratives and explanations about global relations.
    International relations is not science as Morgenthau, Positivism and Realiam would have us believe.

    if you are interested in the theories, I’ll suggest some items to read, although they are not nearly as interesting as ATW.

  28. Patty

    You have more of a point with your view that allegations of ‘Islamophobia’ can be used to stifle debate, but regarding the level of debate around Global warming to be another factor in that ‘Censorship’ is as misguided as saying debates around sexual ethics, crime, education, economic development, or any other political issue is a factor. The world has many issues that need addressing, you may think the Islamic threat is the biggest not all others will agree.

  29. Patty,

    "the result is that criticism and discussion of islamo-fascism is censored."

    Please list some instances in which such criticism has been censored.

    Saturday, September 22, 2007 at 08:10PM | Frank O’Dwyer

    How about in Brussels a couple of weeks ago!

  30. Pinky: Thanks… very interesting. I will look Morgenthau’s 7 points up.

    Colm: Media "censorship" results when media outlets refuse to talk about, or black out subjects. Remember the Danish cartoon "kerkuffle?" I consider the media obsession with global warming to be a form of fillabuster – effectively blocking out other news.

    Watch: I’ll bet you will hear next to nothing on "Islamo Fascism Week" in the MSM unless its charges from CAIR citing "racism" and "islamophobia."

    The internet is interesting because it is breaking the lock on what and when to report news. And thank god for that.

    Frank: HAHAHAH…tell me you’re joking….the MSM has self-censored repeatedly, the police and local government officials have withheld repeatedly, the universities are mum, citing "sensitivity."

  31. A big question for me is: will any attempt be made at these talks to examine the core elements of Islamic theology and law that encourage misogyny and oppression of women? Will there be any words of encouragement by Muslims who plan to eradicate these things from mainstream Islam?

    Or will the focus be on trying to say that it is only individual countries who have created these laws – and that it’s nothing to do with Islam but only with individuals who happen to be Muslim?

    If it’s the former it’ll be worthwhile. If it’s the latter it’ll be largely worthLESS.

  32. Patty,

    "the MSM has self-censored repeatedly"

    LOL! If a media outlet doesn’t sell your flavor of kool aid, that isn’t censorship. And even if the dread MSM had "self-censored", that isn’t the same as oppression of free speech any more than self-discipline is the same as S&M.

    Allan,

    "How about in Brussels a couple of weeks ago!"

    I agree this is more in the league of censorship, yes. However I don’t think that freedom of speech entitles people to have any message anywhere they want. Are those marchers also prevented from publishing their message elsewhere? Doesn’t seem so.

  33. Pinky;

    Why now?

    because its got sod all to do with human rights or even women. this is a purely ideological event. if there is no traction gained or success is met, the plight of these women will be dropped as fast as it was picked up. and the standard misogyny and objections to human rights will be resumed where they were left off. and all without the blink of an eye.

    this is about hating on muslims and little else.

  34. Daytripper: "this is about hating on muslims and little else."

    Ahhh! The ISLAMOPHOBIA card! No criticism may ever be expressed about islamic fundamentalism!

    This is the censorship that I am writing about.

  35. Patty

    daytripper doesn’t have the power to censor you. He is just expressing a different opinion to you. He hasn’t said you shouldn’t be allowed to express support for this event.

  36. Patty: Ahhh! The ISLAMOPHOBIA card!

    Patty, that is just the response I spoke to early on. How do you expect people to react to " Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week."

    This week is nothing to do with women’s rights. What a shame a real issues such as the treatment of women around the world is used in such a cynical way, by those defending the indefensible.
    The attempt to legitimise the ‘war on terror’ and the attack on Iraq by using women’s rights, pretending to care about women in Saudi Arabia( from whence the hijackers came) proves really how indefensible the pro-Bush position is, on its own legs.

  37. Pinky: "How do you expect people to react to " Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week."

    I expect them to sit up and take notice of the fact that there is such a thing as "islamo-fascism" and that it is not racist to say so.

    This has everything to do with women’s rights and the treatment of women around the world. Do you know what that poster is a picture of? It is a woman in Iran being buried so that they can throw rocks at her head.

    Does this not alarm you in the least?

  38. Ahhh! The ISLAMOPHOBIA card! No criticism may ever be expressed about islamic fundamentalism!

    nothing to do with your criticisms, what ever they may be.

    merely pointing out the screaming hypocrisy of the type of people who claim such things as human rights to be a liberal conspiracy, but have no problems elavating the issues when it suits their politics and ideology. there is no humanity in this type of "awareness".

    ultimately its propaganda, for the purposes of justifying further human rights violations.

  39. Colm: overreaching political correctness is a form of censorship

  40. Daytripper: "there is no humanity in this type of "awareness".

    There is no humanity in NOT insisting on this type of awareness.

  41. There is no humanity in NOT insisting on this type of awareness.

    then support NGOs who can actually make a difference. and support Human Rights as a universal cause.

  42. Daytripper: exposing the inhumanity practiced against women in the islamic world is a practical way of supporting human rights.

    Giving money to "human rights" organization with a general mandate is just feeding a bureaucracy with all the potential of becoming corrupt — just like the UN has become corrupt, the ACLU is corrupt etc. etc..

    It’s like supporting "peace." — as a general nonspecific concept. Better to look at events and countries in the specific, and work towards "peace" in Darfur, say, by defeating the islamic fundamentalist who are invading and trying to take over there.

  43. Why are new terms such as islamo-fascism being derived to describe what ‘islam’ is? Islam as itself is a tyranny as is seen from the koran and the hadith, and muslims would enforce that tyranny, assisted by the left until the left itself is destroyed.
    Just use ‘islam’: nothing else is needed.

  44. I expect them to sit up and take notice of the fact that there is such a thing as "islamo-fascism" and that it is not racist to say so.

    This has everything to do with women’s rights and the treatment of women around the world. Do you know what that poster is a picture of? It is a woman in Iran being buried so that they can throw rocks at her head.

    Does this not alarm you in the least?

    Of course it does. Does it bother you that it happens in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan (US sponsored states) with much more frequency?

  45. ‘This has everything to do with women’s rights and the treatment of women around the world. Do you know what that poster is a picture of? It is a woman in Iran being buried so that they can throw rocks at her head. ‘

    Fair enough. So why muddy the waters with "War on Terror,’ and Bush doctrine support?
    Isn’t the issue serious enough to stand on its own to you?

  46. Patty makes a very good point about the failure to address the oppresion of women in islamic countries as a genuine human right issue. The world rightly expressed disgust at the apartheid policies of the old South Africa whic singled out people for lesser legal and political rights on the grounds of race yet the same sort of apartheid based on gender in Saudi Arabia has not lead to anything like the same degree of international disgust.

    That makes total sense to me Colm. Words like "Islamophobic pale into insignificance…just try any of the demeaning rules imposed on Moslem women on anyone of colour and the world erupts.

    And yes Patty I believe the charming practice of burying women up to their necks and throwing rocks at them until they die is still carried out in some Moslem countries.

    The plight of Moslem women should be the only item on the agenda in any debate.

  47. Well said Maggie.
    I would add only this, the plight of women should be the issues, whether they be Muslim, Christian or other.

  48. by defeating the islamic fundamentalist who are invading and trying to take over there.

    Sudan has been invaded?

    When?

  49. Pinky: You do know there is "ethnic cleansing" occurring in Darfur, don’t you? That Arab nomads called the "janjaweed" are responsible?

    That Omar Hassan al-Bashir’s government is sympathetic to the Muslim Brotherhood? WHich has origins in Egypt. And links with al queda are found as well. Darfur is a complicated genocidal mess.

    Have you heard of Darfur?

  50. Pinky: You do know there is "ethnic cleansing" occurring in Darfur, don’t you?

    I sure do.

    That Arab nomads called the "janjaweed" are responsible?

    Indeed. And they are Sudanese. From Northern Sudan. Not from outside Sudan, which is why I asked about the invasion.

    That Omar Hassan al-Bashir’s government is sympathetic to the Muslim Brotherhood?

    Yes indeed. They are Sudanese.
    WHich has origins in Egypt. And links with al queda are found as well. Darfur is a complicated genocidal mess.

    Have you heard of Darfur?

    Indeed, it is in Sudan.
    So again, who invaded Sudan?

  51. I wonder if the mighty UN has heard of Darfur…

  52. I wonder if the mighty UN has heard of Darfur…

    The inaction of the entire international community is an abdolute disgrace. Especially the UNs.

    Interesting though that the US only began using the terminology of ‘Genocide" when it became evident that the Chinese has a growing influence in the region.

    Nonetheless, in essence, you are correct David.