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The First Casualty

By The Troll On February 15th, 2017

Putting things into perspective.

Flynn did nothing wrong under the Law. in policy, or Tradition, what he did do was show bad political judgement. Seeing as he is not a politician it is to be expected to happen. Thinking he was protecting the Vice President he didn’t tell him the content of his Phone Call with the Russians.  This was a lapse of judgement on how to handle a superior and it cost him his job.

The tapes and transcripts of the calls have been gone through by the White House the Justice Dept, and two committees of Congress. No Laws were violated period.

What we do have is several leaks of information from Justice, the FBI, and the NSA. We have confirmation once again that every conversation no matter who you are that takes place any where in the world is recorded and reviewed by the United States.   Political Hacks of all affiliations are attacking this administration from within, it has been in power for less than a month, it still has only half of it’s cabinet and the siege has already begun in earnest.

Trumps reaction this week will speak volumes towards how the next 4 years are going to go. Trump is under attack from the bureaucrats, the democrats, the republicans, and the press. Trump has launched so much in so many different directions in the first three weeks of his administration that no one inside the Beltway knows which direction anything is going to go, and that community is flexing it’s muscle. That’s what Flynn was a casualty of.

Flynn’s replacement will be announced in a day or two , several good names are already out as the short list.  This position is not subject to the confirmation process and can’t stay vacant.

In the meantime while the Democrats play games the Russians moved a missile armed spy ship 30 miles off our coast, and announced they violated a treaty and just deployed 300km+ range cruise missiles.

Both Parties are in a Panic.  The Democrats are powerless and can only delay and obfuscate. The Republicans are in a worse Panic. They have had enormous power over the past 8 years and never used it, now it is being demanded that they actually do their jobs and they have no clue how or a spine to do so.  It’s Panic all around.

82 Responses to “The First Casualty”

  1. Trump has created a disorganized administration with some bad people in it.

    And he has cultivated many -unnecessary- enemies.

    This has been the complete opposite of leadership.

    It is made worse that the childish ” tweeting ” about whatever scatterbrain thought / vendetta that pops into his boy-man head.

  2. Trump has created a disorganized administration with some bad people in it.

    The Trump administration may not be organized like any administration we have seen, but please elaborate on who you believe are the ” bad people in it”

    Name some names and state reasons why anyone in this administration is “bad people”.

  3. Flynn clearly acted improperly, both with the content of his Russian contact and in withholding the nature of that contact from the Vice President, other Administration officials and the nation itself. Whether he broke any laws for which he could face prosecution remains to be seen. He certainly wasn’t trying to shield Pence. Hopefully the President can replace him with a sounder choice.

  4. I don’t necessarily mean evil

    Flynn is not fit for a top position of any kind.

    Conway does not fit.

    Bannon, like Flynn, is a conspiracy theorist who would fit right in there with Allan, Pete and, sometimes you in the conspiracy mania.

    These are not sober people – they should only be admitted to the White House as part of a tourist visit.

    Trump has deep weaknesses, more than any president ever probably, and these people only make Trumps weak points worse.

  5. I don’t think Trump’s people are nefarious. Certainly Bannon is over his head (not unlike Trump himself). There are incompetent (Perry, Carson, DeVos) but there are also competent folks (Sessions, Pence, Kelly).

  6. But conspiracy nuts don’t belong in any serious government.

    Trump himself I believe is a conspiracy nut.

    We don’t need more nuts with a bad grip on reality below him giving him bad guidance and making all the weak points worse.

  7. I never promote conspiracies. Don’t lump me in with that crowd.

    So they are not bad evil, just bad as in wrong choices…. and you are basing that on what? Who in your opinion is a better choice for any of the positions Trump has filled?

    Some choices aren’t going to work, that’s the case with every administration. At least with a Republican one when a person screws up they get axed. Not so with a democrat one. The same people that broke the law at the IRS and allowed Veterans to die at the VA still held their jobs till even now.

    No please name who would you think would be a better Sec of State, Atty Gen, Sec of Def. etc etc Who would meet your approval Phantom? John “traitor” McCain and his wife Lindsey Graham might be good for something…. are those the types you want?

  8. Perry and DeVos are fine Mahons both actually are good fits for their positions. Carson scares me.

  9. Today is a good day….

    Trump and Bibi are hanging out today….

  10. We have a rogue intelligence community in Washington DC acting outside their purview, leaking top level info. at their own personal discretion.

    Not a great day.

  11. We have a rogue intelligence community in Washington DC acting outside their purview, leaking top level info. at their own personal discretion.

    Not a great day.

  12. President Trump v. Washington DC Establishment

    and we have hijabs and trash bags coming down the fashion runway, Anti-fascists beat up people because they shouldn’t be allowed to have a speaker they don’t like.

    what a mess.

  13. Troll

    You believe that Clinton and the military bombed the believed AQ site in Sudan to divert attention from the Lewinsky matter.

    That is 100% conspiracy talk.

  14. that’s not a conspiracy it’s a fact.

  15. President Trump v. Washington DC Establishment

    You still believe that rubbish Patty?

    How many of Trump’s cabinet are not from the monied or privileged establishment?

    Anti-fascists beat up people because they shouldn’t be allowed to have a speaker they don’t like.

    Some student rads attack people and it’s much worse than say…….

    a national security adviser cosying up to a Russian diplomat and then lying to the government about it?

  16. Just as Allan thinks that the controlled demolition of the WTC and the actors at Sandy Hook are facts.

    It’s conspiracy mania and there is zero reason to think that there are any of truth to any of these truther tales

  17. This goon seems to be stumbling from one controversy to another on an almost dialy basis:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38983742

  18. I see what you’re doing and it’s a huge bore to me.

    even John Kasich seems to understand that a rogue intelligence community is a bad idea.

  19. I see what you’re doing and it’s a huge bore to me

    I see that means you don’t have an answer to your false ‘establishment’ claims.

  20. “a national security adviser cosying up to a Russian diplomat” ROFL

    it was Flynn’s job to cozy up! He was cozying up to many other countries as well!

  21. Was it his job to tell lies to the Vice President

  22. Democrats still butt hurt over losing to President Trump. Still blaming Russia “hacks” or leaks to Wikileaks and the contents of DNC emails for losing Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania etc.

    Yes, it’s boring. Grow up people

  23. “Was it his job to tell lies to the Vice President”

    Nope. And he resigned.

    Meanwhile, we have a rogue intelligence community illegally taping calls and leaking to the Democrat press whenever they wish – what say you about this?

  24. So, if our rogue intelligence community doesn’t like Trump’s policies on North Korea – they will leak a phone call to the press to change policy?

    How is this going to turn out well? This is treason by any other name.

  25. Who told you that the taping was illegal – I like the idea that such conversations with an adversary are taped

    Who told you that it was the intelligence community that leaked anything to the press – they may have but I do not know that to be so.

  26. It’s legal to tape the WH without permission and then leak the info to the press? Who knew

  27. I want them taping the Russian ambassador

    and you have no idea if it was an intel guys that leaked anything.

    Remember Trump has a BIG mouth, like Ralph Kramden

    Maybe the leaker was Trump.

  28. Its holdovers from the Obama team – obviously – trying to change the results of our election – apparently the electoral college is just a technical glitch and Hillary should have won – so they’re helping the country by illegally taping, selectively leaking and then doing a huge PR campaign in what we quaintly call our “free” press

  29. You want a shadow government undermining the elected government?

    Wow.

  30. “and you have no idea if it was an intel guys that leaked anything.
    Remember Trump has a BIG mouth, like Ralph Kramden
    Maybe the leaker was Trump.”

    Bye bye. This is just stupid land now.

  31. Conspiracy Patty peddling conspiracies.

  32. It was Flynn’s job to cozy up!

    How is it a nat security adviser’s job to cosy up to Russian diplomats, particularly before he’s in position and if it was his job why did he lie about it to his senior?

    However I degress. What about Trump’s monied and privileged establishment cabinet?

    I suspect that ‘rogue intelligence community’ is going to go the same way as ‘deep state’ ‘establishment’ and ‘butthurt’

    Rightworld sure loves its soundbites.

  33. Every one of them ( with the honorable exception of charles ) is into conspiracies to some extent.

    The Russians and Arabs are great conspiracy nuts, as well as Trump Republicans.

  34. Paul: “What about Trump’s monied and privileged establishment cabinet?” Being poor doesn’t make you noble and smart and being rich doesn’t make you a villain.

    Phantom: Even paranoids have enemies. Or put another way: calling it a “conspiracy” doesn’t make the illegal taping and leak go away.

  35. Paul: “How is it a nat security adviser’s job to cosy up to Russian diplomats, particularly before he’s in position”

    Please do some thinking here. Try and figure it out on your own. Here are some helpful questions: as a nominee, what was Flynn’s job? Once confirmed, what was Flynn’s job? What are some ways in which Flynn could perform his job?

  36. Being rich doesn’t make you a villain

    Who said it does?

    Trump’s cabinet are all part of the monied and privileged establishment, whether they are villans I don’t know.

  37. with the honorable exception of charles

    Thank you Phantom. That’s my first award of the day!

    Regarding conspiracy theories, I was weaned on the Mother of them all: the JFK assassination (being from Dallas). At the end of the day, all conspiracy theories fall apart because they rely on everyone’s silence. It’s just too hard for some people to understand that lone nuts in our society, Oswald, the Sandy Hook killer, this leaker in State, can do us harm.

  38. Yeah, think Patty:

    Ideally, the APNSA serves as an honest broker of policy options for the President in the field of national security, rather than as an advocate for his or her own policy agenda

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Advisor_(United_States)

    Nat security means tellling tales out of school to foreign diplomats before you get the job and then lying to your senior about it?

  39. You need to think a little deeper than a wiki quote, Paul

  40. How does a national security advisor perform his/her job? What sort of actions would he/she take to prepare for the job? How is this position different from an Ambassador position?

  41. It was the lie that got him, no question about it.

  42. Trust issue – can’t ever win when you are on the wrong side of trust

  43. //How does a national security advisor perform his/her job? What sort of actions would he/she take to prepare for the job?//

    Patty, it’s a very tricky job, I imagine. He or she has to deal with, cajole and coordinate many different intelligence agencies. They are often in competition or even conflict with each other.

    To prepare for the job, he would have to get to know them, listen to them and gain their trust, as an incumbent he would have to do a careful balancing act between the different agencies, respecting their interests but at the same time showing firm leadership.

    That kind of finesse is obviously way beyond anyone who’s got anything to do with a blundering clown like Trump.

  44. The national security advisor also performs his job by speaking to his counter in foreign countries – often by telephone.

    So, a phone call to Russia in preparation for his appointment is entirely normal – and in fact required if Flynn were to do his job properly

  45. //The national security advisor also performs his job by speaking to his counter in foreign countries – often by telephone. //

    As far as I known, he also went to Moscow and met the Kremlin bigwigs. His phone calls were also before he got the job.
    Did he even know at the time whether he was going to get the job? Or was he just acting on behalf of Trump?

    //Flynn did nothing wrong under the Law. …

    No Laws were violated period.//

    Is there not a law prohibiting unauthorized citizens from dealing with foreign governments in dispute with the United States? I believe there is.

    And we know from Troll that Russia, not merely a country in dispute with the US, is actually THE ENEMY, and has even just moved a spy ship armed with missiles to within 30 miles of the US coast.
    It has also apparently just violated a treaty and deployed 300km+ range cruise missiles.
    That amounts to TREASON on the part of the SCROTUS team, I would say.

    (mind you, even if launched from the former German city of Kaliningrad, those missiles wouldn’t even reach my breakfast table.)

  46. You need to think a little deeper than a wiki quote, Paul

    The Wiki quote was the only thing you saw Patty? I also posted this:

    Nat security means tellling tales out of school to foreign diplomats before you get the job and then lying to your senior about it?

    The national security advisor also performs his job by speaking to his counter in foreign countries – often by telephone

    Did he speak to any other foreign diplomats or just the Russian one?

    Is there not a law prohibiting unauthorized citizens from dealing with foreign governments in dispute with the United States? I believe there is.

    Noel:

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/953

  47. Phantom, on February 14th, 2017 at 2:02 PM Said:

    That’s why we pay for real reporters, who bust their shoe leather finding stuff out, via methodical, hard, work, Allan.

    Let’s have you and Troll tell us again how print media is dead.

    Drudge and Infowars didn’t break this story. Real reporters did.

    WaPo and NYT are the receivers-of-choice for information any ‘agency’ that wishes to cause trouble for those in its sights and, as we now know, the shoe-busting ‘reporters’ of WaPo simply received a call from somebody at the TLA with information put together by the NSA on a discussion that the incoming National Security Advisor had with a Russian diplomat to advise him not to panic and that things will be worked out after the earth-scorching Dems have departed. Consequently, the Russians did not expel Americans from Moscow and did not over-react to NATO moving troops to Russia’s borders Indeed, I’d reckon that Flynn, who knows about these things, did an excellent job.

    On the suddenly prominent Logan Act, let’s see:

    Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

    Flynn’s actions are clearly beneficial to the US and clearly did influence the conduct of the Russian government. Some information on the Logan Act is available at Infowars which I’ve looked at for the first time in a few years at Phantom’s urging. It’s very accessible and well-presented so what’s in it now?

    http://www.infowars.com/the-real-reason-general-flynn-was-forced-to-resign/

    The mainstream media’s sudden concern for Flynn having potentially violated the Logan Act is interesting given that establishment politicians have been violating the Logan Act for decades by physically meeting with foreign officials at Bilderberg conferences, without a whimper of dissent from the press.

    As Chris Buskirk explains, when Democrats met with Russian officials, it was also treated as no big deal.

    “Recall that in 1984 Senator Ted Kennedy approached the Soviet government about aid in defeating Ronald Reagan’s reelection. He offered them diplomatic and arms control concessions if they would help install Walter Mondale in the White House. Not surprisingly, Kennedy gets a pass if not a conspiratorial wink of assent from the guardians of democracy in the press. Naturally, they assume all partisans work with foreign governments to achieve their electoral aims.”

    What’s that?

    http://www.oregonlive.com/today/index.ssf/2015/03/did_ted_kennedy_seek_soviets_h.html

    Ted Kennedy, the U.S. Senate’s longtime “liberal lion,” apparently tried to take advantage of Reagan’s aggressive stance toward communist Russia — by seeking the Russians’ assistance. The Federalist’s Sean Davis writes that “in the midst of the cold war, (Kennedy) begged them to intervene in a U.S. presidential election in order to unseat President Ronald Reagan.”

    This must be conservative wing-nut claptrap, right? Fit only for Fox News’ blinkered, Democrats-are-traitors worldview. There’s no way it could be true.

    Well … it seems that it is kind of true.

    read on……

    Trump should re-instate Flynn after Flynn restates his apology to Pence

  48. excuse me name one investigative reporter from either of those papers.

    There isn’t one between them.

  49. Stop.

  50. Phantom – what are your thoughts on the applicability of the Logan Act? See post at 7.53pm

  51. I don’t think Flynn will be charged with a Logan Act violation. His only issue might be lying to FBI, but even that is unclear. Frankly, I think the resignation is sufficient under the facts as we know them at the moment.

  52. Logan Act –

    If at any time before Trump was sworn in, there were any conversations by Trump or any in his camp that sought in any way to undermine the sanctions imposed by Obama, that was a wrongful act.

  53. We now know that in addition to Flynn many others in his business and political campaign spoke on many occasions with Russian officials including their intelligence agency. We need to know what the hell is going on between Trump and Russians. Who on the business side were speaking with Russians, who did they speak with, what was discussed? Why are people on the political side speaking with any foreign officials, especially Russians?

    It is time the whole issue of Trump and the Russians is fully investigated and made known to the American people. For all we know Trump could be selling out our country to the Russians.

    We know the Russians interfered in our election. Why did they do so? What was the quid pro quo?

  54. Putting things into perspective.

    Surely that should read Putin’s perspective?

  55. Logan Act –
    If at any time before Trump was sworn in, there were any conversations by Trump or any in his camp that sought in any way to undermine the sanctions imposed by Obama, that was a wrongful act.

    That’s the crux of the matter Phantom.

    As for the Teddy Kennedy whataboutery from thirty odd years ago – if the act doesn’t have a statute of limitations then jail / fine him.

  56. We have a rogue intelligence community in Washington

    No, you have a rogue government in hock to a hostile foreign power which helped it get elected.

  57. Surely that should read Putin’s perspective?

    Superb Peter 🙂

  58. If Flynn said ” good morning ” to the Russians without Obama’s permission, I have a problem with that.

    If the next president in four or eight years says ” good morning “ to the Russians without Trump’s permission, I have a problem with him.

    One president at at time. No games.

  59. Flynn did nothing wrong under the Law.

    According to Trump. Who sacked him for lying. Oh the irony.

  60. Troll is a constitutional scholar, and is the last word on the subject. The founding fathers deferred to him.

  61. Cartoon time:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2017/feb/15/ben-jennings-on-donald-trump-intelligence-and-russia-cartoon?CMP=twt_gu

  62. It is time the whole issue of Trump and the Russians is fully investigated and made known to the American people. For all we know Trump could be selling out our country to the Russians.

    You mean like Hillary getting MILLIONS from them for our Uranium?

    We know the Russians interfered in our election. Why did they do so? What was the quid pro quo?

    Really how did they do that?

    Oh I know the Russians helped Assange expose all the corrupt collusion between the Democrats and the Press….

    That’s the investigation we need… not some Bubble boys fantasy.

    The Clintons were bought and paid for by the Russians and a Dozen other Countries. We have proof of that. What we don’t have is even circumstantial evidence that connects Russia to Trump.

    The Dems were destroyed by Obama, Hillary lost because she was a corrupt whore plain and simple, but please keep this going the damage that is being done is certainly not effecting Trump or the People that support him.

  63. Phantom once again proving he has NO CLUE as to how his Government works… lol

    Phantom, on February 15th, 2017 at 8:39 PM Said: Edit Comment

    If Flynn said ” good morning ” to the Russians without Obama’s permission, I have a problem with that.

    If the next president in four or eight years says ” good morning “ to the Russians without Trump’s permission, I have a problem with him.

    One president at at time. No games.

  64. More trouble for Trumpo. Did he not know about this jerk’s past history?

    “Trump’s pick for Labor Secretary is reported to be withdrawing his name from consideration. Andrew Puzder fell out of favor over the course of this No Good Horrible Very Bad Week for the Trump administration, over growing GOP concerns the fast food executive couldn’t earn enough votes to get confirmed…

    Earlier this month, Puzder admitted he and his wife had employed an undocumented person as a housekeeper and had to pay back taxes as a result. On Wednesday, conservative magazine National Review published an op-ed that urged the Senate to vote against Puzder because of his support for guest worker visa programs and other policies that it claims undercut American workers in favor of foreign ones.”

    http://boingboing.net/2017/02/15/what-a-putz.html

  65. This whole “scandal” is based on the Lie that Hillary didn’t lose to Trump she lost because the Russians interfered.

    Except there was no Russian Interference in the Election. There is NO EVIDENCE that ANYONE interfered.

    Hillary and the Democrats LOST because 63 Million People believe the country was in a depression and they didn’t believe the party that put us there and the woman who sold her office could fix it…..

    The left are psychotic, and the nation is laughing harder and harder at them everyday.

  66. Oh I know the Russians helped Assange expose all the corrupt collusion between the Democrats and the Press….

    But you still want the CIA to do a hit on Assange, yes?

  67. This is that hump that publicly stated that he wants to replace workers with robots at his scuzzy fast food joints

    The perfect guy for Trump

  68. what industry uses more robots in the US than any industry Phantom?

  69. Except there was no Russian Interference in the Election. There is NO EVIDENCE that ANYONE interfered.

    There are several on-going investigations. I assume they will call you as an expert witness?

    The left are psychotic

    Thank God we have Alex Jones.

  70. What is a robot

  71. Well lately you’re a drone……

    They can investigate all they want. Lets start with what was revealed…. Collusion with the Press and People paid to cause violence at Trump events.

    Remember the so called “interference in the election” was the on going revelation of crimes the Democrats were involved in.

    Now you may want to distract and say the russians interfered, well if exposing criminal activity by the Democrats and the Clinton campaign is interfering, I say we need more of it.

  72. Troll – you are getting too caught up in the title for tat partisan politics and not looking at this from an American perspective. Russian hacking did not in my opinion change the outcome of the election, but it certainly was something we should be united against no matter who their target was.

  73. Yes Mahons

    But the fact is that many in the GOP feel much closer to Putin politically than they did to Obama or Hillary. They see and admire an authoritarian (white) nationalist who “puts Russia first”. And they want Trump to be more like him, and if that means attacking (sacking?) judges and muzzling the press then get on with it Donald. I’ve no doubt whatsoever that Bannon thinks that way.

  74. More on crony capitalist Puzder. DTS!

    “Unsurprisingly, those workers felt little loyalty to their former boss. Darin Brooks, a Hardee’s worker and a member of Raise Up $15, the Fight for $15 chapter in Durham, North Carolina, said: “When Donald Trump first tapped Andy Puzder to be labor secretary, fast food workers told the president that if he sided with fast food CEOs instead of fast-food workers, he’d be on the wrong side of history.

    “We rallied outside Puzder’s stores nationwide and showed America how his burger empire was built on low pay, wage theft, sexual harassment and intimidation. And today, we are on the right side of history. This is a major victory for the Fight for $15, but we can’t and won’t back down until the Trump administration gives us a real labor secretary who will put working people over corporate profits.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/15/andrew-puzder-nomination-trump-presidency-trend?CMP=twt_gu

  75. Fox reporting that Puzder just withdrew his nomination.

    ww.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/15/labor-pick-puzder-withdraws-from-consideration-amid-controversy.html

  76. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/15/labor-pick-puzder-withdraws-from-consideration-amid-controversy.html

  77. Puzder was an enemy of all workers, a horrible, stupid, clueless choice.

  78. Puzder was an enemy of all workers, a horrible, stupid, clueless choice.

    Yes Phantom. But Trump has stuffed his administration full of billionaires, mostly Wall Street guys. It’s a big leap of faith to imagine them as friends of the millions of blue collars who made him POTUS.

  79. Troll

    I trust our intelligence agencies and they said the Russians did interfere in the election. Yesterday it was reported that several Trump associates have been in frequent contact with Russian intelligence. What is going on with Trump and the Russians? Do you have any ideas? It is quite possible there is some sort of deal between Trump and the Russians. The American people need to know what the devil is going on.

  80. Why New Yorker?

    Did we have to know what the deal was with Iran when Obama and his People opened up a Dialect with them WHILE he was campaigning for President?

    Do we have to know the details of everything that was said to bill and hillary clinton regarding the details of why and what-fors that she promised the 27 Foreign Countries including the Russians who gave her Foundation Millions of Dollars for?

    That one there are Laws against and we still don’t know.

    and as for Mahons

    Mahons, on February 15th, 2017 at 9:41 PM Said: Edit Comment

    Troll – you are getting too caught up in the title for tat partisan politics and not looking at this from an American perspective. Russian hacking did not in my opinion change the outcome of the election, but it certainly was something we should be united against no matter who their target was.

    We are United Against it Mahons what did Obama do over the past 8yrs to strengthen our cyber security…. ah do a google or any type of search on cyber attack and see what comes up in the past 8 years. Jesus the Chicoms copied the entire File from the office of OPM of every employee that ever worked for the government. Every name, address, social security number, and back ground check of every that ever served in the military or held a government job…..

    Where was your selective outrage then?

    Besides we fuck with elections all over the world, what you didn’t think anyone ever tried to fuck with ours????

    Hillary didn’t lose because of the Russians, Hillary lost because of Hillary and the longer the democrats push this ridiculous line that she only lost because of the Russians which is what they are pushing… the better I like it.

    The people are laughing at them. Maybe what the Democrats should be concentrating on is why 80% of the rank and file Union vote refused to vote Democrat….. them there are their people… why did they lose them?

    As long as they are not willing to ask themselves that question, the conservative side of the aisle is going to keep winning.

  81. New Yorker, on February 15th, 2017 at 8:28 PM Said:

    We know the Russians interfered in our election.

    The astonishing absence of evidence indicates otherwise. Note that claims are not evidence.

  82. Troll

    The Trump people were in frequent contact with Russian intelligence during the campaign. The Obama people were in office negotiating a treaty with Iran. There are many differences.

    Can you say why any US political party would be in frequent contact with any foreign government during a campaign? They should be focused on getting every vote they can in the US rather than communicating with a foreign government’s intelligence service.

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