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Understanding the Intelligence Community’s Games

By Patty On February 15th, 2017

Dennis Kucinich, Democrat Congressman from Ohio, explains the problems of a rogue Deep State – for the Trump Administration and in the past, for the Obama Administration:

65 Responses to “Understanding the Intelligence Community’s Games”

  1. ‘Rogue’

    ‘Deep State’

  2. words have meaning. Look at the youtube interview and get back to me.

  3. The intelligence community, the judiciary, the media….

    Honestly, I think everyone is trying to influence US politics except the Russians.

  4. Noel, obviously

  5. I watching the entire video and I think it’s a good one. Kucinich is a liberal Dem who says this is not about if you’re for or against Donald Trump. It’s about the White House being “under attack” by elements in intel that are against making peace with Russia.

    I don’t agree with Kucinich much, but he seems to be on to something here.

  6. He also pointed out the Intelligence community’s double dealing with the Obama Admin. and how they undermined Obama’s attempt at peace in Syria.

    Why are some angling so hard for another cold war with Russia?

  7. I don’t agree with Kucinich’s policies for America at all – I think he’s a socialist? – but this is outside that discussion and he does seem to be on to something here.

  8. Patty, Kucinich says it was the money. The military-industrial complex that Ike warned us about. Billions of dollars are at stake in maintaining a cold war with Russia.

    I don’t know if that’s the reason for the leak, or that someone in State hates Trump as much as many do here.

  9. This is nothing new. It’s referred to in “Nixon” as the Military Industrial complex. Here in the UK we use a shorthand version The establishment.
    Basically it’s the Funny people. People who’ve worked for the Government in one form or other for thirty years but don’t appear on any payroll.

    When you impugn the integrity of the lying cheating manipulative barstewards they bite back. Of no matter. They need to be told there’s a new sheriff in town. He’s got the job and your day is done.
    Time for some firing Donny.

  10. It sounded like Kucinich is coming at this for a socialist perspective. No more wasting billions in a cold war with Russia. But just b/c he’s a socialist doesn’t necessarily make him wrong on this issue. Being a former Congressman gives him more of an insight that the average Joe, or in a H/T to Phantom, an Alex Jones.

  11. Maybe also about Obama’s Iran deal – Flynn was very outspoken and against this Iran deal –

    but yeah, money – always about money – I think McCain wants to keep wars going also. Do you agree?

  12. Time for some firing Donny.

    I agree. But how do you find a spy or whatever in a spy agency?

  13. “But just b/c he’s a socialist doesn’t necessarily make him wrong on this issue.”

    I totally agree.

  14. They can start by investigating this leak – who leaked?

  15. Dennis Kucinich is a conspiracy guy and always was. I would be very careful about following down any road where he wishes to travel.

    The Trump nuts across the interwebs seem to have discovered him this morning, so la dee dah about that.

    http://911blogger.com/news/2010-09-12/dennis-kucinich-calls-911-truth-and-reconciliation

  16. McCain is very much the cold warrior as is Lindsay Graham, and neither likes Trump. The CIA started much of this by accusing Trump of being close to the Russians in being elected. Their only evidence was one line of code in a e-mail.

    Patty did you see the Fox interview with Trump? O’Rielly asked Trump how can you deal with a killer like Putin. Trump said we have killers in our own government, and listed the the Iraq War as an example. Trump is not bending to the Establishment.

  17. Patty

    When running for president, Trump loved leakers and wikileaks.

    So, what’s changed? You and your president should love leaks even more now.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OxbYva_szc

  18. charles

    McCain and Cruz should punch Trump’s lights out for what Trump said about McCain and Rafael Cruz.

    These are two of the unnecessary enemies I spoke of.

  19. Kucinich is one of the dwindling band of men of principle, I read.

    He voted against the illegal invasion of Iraq, he is in favour of dialogue and closer ties with Iran, he was against US playing the heavy with Venuzuela, voted against continuing blind US support for Israel even while it robs Palestinian land….

    Sure, a man after me own heart, he is.

  20. Phantom, I read your link and there’s nothing in it that I disagree with. Kucinich is not a “truther.”

    He said:

    The truth is, in the name of retaliation for 9/11, we attacked a Nation which did not attack us. The truth is the war against Iraq was based on lies. Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction, had no capability or intention of attacking the United States, had nothing to do with Al-Quaeda as well as 9/11.

    I backed the war at the time, but I can’t disagree with this statement now.

  21. Kucinich is one of the dwindling band of men of principle, I read.

    I respect him, but may not agree with all of his stances.

    Sure, a man after me own heart, he is.

    Noel, It’s kind of nice we agree on something!

  22. http://www.911truth.org/dennis-kucinich-because-i-can-i-will-investigate-aspects-of-911/

    Oh he’s a Truther all right

    And yes, he has been right on other important things too, no question

  23. “Patty did you see the Fox interview with Trump? O’Rielly asked Trump how can you deal with a killer like Putin. Trump said we have killers in our own government, and listed the the Iraq War as an example. Trump is not bending to the Establishment.”

    I read about it. It didn’t trouble me to read that President Trump didn’t want to pile on Russia. Why should he? Gratuitously piling on a potentially troublesome relationship with Putin seems ill-advised and I’m happy President Trump has the discipline to resist the media calls that he pile on just to underline the fact that he is not “in bed” with Russia.

    The whole Russia election thing is totally made up, imo – Trump didn’t win because of the DNC Wikileaks – and I am astounded at the Dems. irresponsibility here, their not seeming to care if we go to war with Russia – how does that help the country – war with Russia – how does that help?

  24. “I backed the war at the time, but I can’t disagree with this statement now.”

    I agree. I too have rethought my position on the Iraq War.

  25. I also supported the Iraq war at the time and I was wrong.

    It was easily the greatest US foreign policy error since Vietnam, and in my opinion it was a much greater error.

  26. On the Iraq War, Phantom, you and President Trump agree.

  27. It’s very easy to rally around the flag when your country has been attacked. I think I bought into the Iraq War mainly on the testimony and integrity of Colin Powell. An entire part of the world has been destabilized as a result.

    I hope when the next war comes along, I think about the implications more before giving my support.

  28. You can’t fix anything unless you clearly say when you were wrong.

    There would be nearly nobody now that would say that the Iraq War was a good idea now, no matter how it was prosecuted.

    It was a human catastrophe for the region and it harmed US policy interests permanently as it has given great regional advantage to Iran permanently.

  29. I still have great respect for Powell.

    You can be a good and smart man and still be on the wrong side of a thing.

  30. Cheers to all. We’ve had a substantive discussion!

  31. //Trump didn’t win because of the DNC Wikileaks//

    But why did the course of those Wikileaks not bother you or Troll at the time, Patty? I can’t remember either of you getting hot under the collar about sinister intelligence (is there really no better word?) sources interfering in politics back then. 🙁

    //“I backed the war at the time, but I can’t disagree with this statement now.”

    I agree. I too have rethought my position on the Iraq War.//

    Yes, and you (Patty and Charles) will also come around to my analysis of Trump too. You guys just need time, but I’m confident you’ll catch up eventually.

  32. Yes, and you (Patty and Charles) will also come around to my analysis of Trump too. You guys just need time, but I’m confident you’ll catch up eventually.

    Not so fast! 🙂

  33. “why did the course of those Wikileaks not bother you or Troll at the time, Patty?”

    1. The contents of the leaks – never in dispute – did not bother me because they simply confirmed what I already knew: the DNC rigged the election against Bernie Sanders and the DNC and the MSM work together.

    2. I never thought Russia was responsible. I think this is BS. I suspect a man named Seth Rich might have been the leaker. He was a data analyst at the DNC and he was murdered in the early morning hours in his posh neighborhood while out walking – multiple gun shot wounds, apparently not robbed as he still had his valuables on him.

  34. the DNC and the MSM work together

    Does it bother you that the RNC ( and Trump ) work so closely with Fox News and that Republican politicians at the local state and national level work so closely with the various right wing screamers on the radio?

  35. Megan Kelly, Fox News at the first Presidential debate asked Trump the following question:

    “Mr. Trump, one of the things people love about you is you speak your mind and you don’t use a politician’s filter,” she said. “However, that is not without its downsides, in particular, when it comes to women. You’ve called women you don’t like, ‘fat pigs,’ ‘dogs,’ slobs, and disgusting animals.”

    Now think, Phantom, does this sound like Fox is in the tank for President Trump? Does this compare to Donna Brazile and CNN giving the DNC debate questions before the debate??

  36. Troll keeps telling us that the mainstream media is dead and that all real murcans listen to Rush and Mark Levin and to nobody else, ever, not even for one minute.

    So any collusion with MSM should never matter and collusion with right wing media should be all we care about.

  37. Patty

    That was a tough question from someone who was not in the tank for Trump.

    Sean Hannity is in the tank for Trump, always was, and he has given Trump many hundreds of hours of uncritical airtime over the past ten years.

    Hannity treated Trump as a presidential possibility years and years before anyone else did.

  38. Fox has some real journalists ( Chris Wallace one of them ) but there is no question that the station as a whole is seen as a Republican mouthpiece and that it has colluded with Republicans since it was formed.

    It is to the Republicans as MSNBC is to the Democrats.

  39. //“why did the course of those Wikileaks not bother you or Troll at the time, Patty?”

    1. The contents of the leaks – never in dispute – did not bother me because they simply confirmed what I already knew//

    I didn’t mean the contents, I meant the “course” of those Wikileaks, the origins and their passage to the media.

    Why did that not bother you, while these latest leaks bother you so much?

    I think BTW that the US should search out and dust off that Joe the Plumber fellow, to help fix all these leaks you seem to have over there.
    That would be at least one job that Trump would create.

    I mean, it seems there’s someone having a leak practically every day in the US recently, not to mention what those Muscovite ladies got up to on Trump’s hotel bed.

  40. Patty –

    Good link, and not only because it confirms that Dennis Kucinich read my post of last night.

    You have the airheads out there talking about the Trump White House being in chaos. This is way above that. This is the real DC battle. It’s about keeping the US and Russia in conflict and the fate of hundreds of billions of dollars.

    The airheads think it’s about the GOP and the Dems. The real battle is between the singular War Party and everyone with a brain and a sense of decency. Flynn was brought down because he doesn’t want war with Russia. That’s the bottom line.

  41. Pete

    No one in the US wants ” war with Russia ”

    You are regurgitating RT / Kremlin disinformation.

    Shame on you.

  42. Right wing radio shows are opinion shows – they do not pretend to be even-handed.

  43. Phantom: learn the difference between investigative journalism and opinion journalism

  44. Fox News says that it is fair and balanced, and they are as much in the tank for the RNC as MSNBC is for the Dems.

    You favor collusion when it suits you.

  45. “Fair and Balanced” is a marketing slogan. Like the NYT slogan: “all the news that’s fit to print”

    Fox News has both opinion journalists and investigative journalists. Learn the difference, please

  46. Flynn was brought down because he doesn’t want war with Russia.

    Absolute, unadulterated bollocks Mr Perfidy.

    He resigned because he got caught out violating the Logan Act and then lying to his senior about it.

    I.E. he dipped his wick and got caught out.

    Who would have ever seen the day coming when the truest bluest Yanks would be cheering on the Kremlin as the good guys against the bad guy US ninja stealth warriors from the shadows?

    Truly Alice Through the Looking Glass.

  47. It goes way deeper than Sean Hannity.

    Roger Ailes, who founded Fox and was in charge of it for most of its time in existence, was deeply in bed with Republican Party chiefs and didn’t hide the fact.

    You like collusion when it suits you.

    And you are entirely unaware of the many times when NYT and other MSM printed / broadcast news that greatly angered Bill and Hillary Clinton etc. while Fox has never AFAIK done major investigative pieces that were damaging to a sitting Republican officeholder or to any Republican candidate.

  48. I’d think that many Fox viewers think that spin-meisters like Hannity are broadcasting the news, and that all Americans know such viewers.

  49. Is there a definitive ‘bad MSM’ and ‘good non MSM’ list in rightworld which explains who we can / can’t trust and why or is it just another easily transferable but difficult to identify ‘establishment’ affectation?

  50. Phantom –

    Last night you appear to have accused me of regurgitating the idea of the “Deep State” from Alex Jones. I refer you to this post of a few years ago.

    http://www.atangledweb.org/?p=51324

    Apology accepted.

    This is why you’ll always be wrong. Deep politics and the Deep State are the real currents, but you’re boringly nit-picking over Fox News. It’s fluff. Drop it.

  51. And there’s Paul McMahon, who seems to think that “Deep State” has suddenly been picked up by something he calls Rightworld.

    Gentleman, it’s something which has been well known for a very long time, many decades in fact. Of course you’ll know nothing of it when you persist in swimming in shallow, trite waters.

  52. And that was three years after I first brought Alex Jones to the public attention of most here.

    Some of you had been under his influence before, but I lifted the rock.

    http://www.atangledweb.org/?p=26233

  53. Dennis is known to us Yanks, Pete can be forgiven for not understanding that he is no longer in Congress. Old Dennis has swam in the wacky pond for some time. I would certainly expect him to utter such a claim without mentioning Flynn’s own folly.

  54. And there’s Paul McMahon, who seems to think that “Deep State” has suddenly been picked up by something he calls Rightworld

    Actually what I think happened Pete is that you googled the term and that came up in the results.

    How often have you used the term from Summer 2014 to say four days ago?

  55. Thank you Mahons. I’m quite aware of who he is. I remember Kucinich campaigning against the Iraq war with Ron Paul, don’t you know. We have the internets here too.

    Paul, don’t double down.

  56. The Trump movement moves in sync very quickly.

    The new buzzwords are assigned at 730am each morning and all are responsible for using them on social media as much as possible.

    It’s like Scientology, except its even less legitimate.

  57. Kucinich is one of the dwindling band of men of principle

    Kucinich is freaking wackjob who has been known to channel both Aliens and Dead People on his porch with Shirley McClain… I sure they had partaken in some sort of special Mushroom before hand.

    Sorry I can’t use that big of a nutcase as a source for anything other than humor.

  58. Spot on Troll

    But he has a British wife who remains a hot number, so props to him for that.

    https://heartiste.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/preview.jpg

  59. //But he has a British wife who remains a hot number, //

    Doesn’t surprise me. Liberals and pacifists always get the prettiest girls.

  60. In more than two and a half years that’ll be a big zero then Pete?

    Not like you guys to waste a perfectly good soundbite where anything you dislike / disapprove of can be explained away as some kind of vague, unverifiable conspiratorial hatchet job.

  61. Noel:

    http://stecyl.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Teresa_Rodriguez.jpg

  62. Thanks, Paul. For a moment there I thought she was wearing a Feile an Phobail t-shirt.

  63. Very observant Noel……

  64. Mark Levin tweets…

    Of course, Ryan is all for the ouster of Flynn, because that’s the way RINOs think. Nothing is worth fighting for…

    PURGE THE HERETICS

  65. Phantom, on February 15th, 2017 at 6:09 PM Said:

    Hannity treated Trump as a presidential possibility years and years before anyone else did.

    Wow – how smart is Hannity, and Ann Coulter too?

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