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MOOD MUSIC CHANGES…

By David Vance On February 15th, 2017

Under media darling Obama…

….and under media hate figure Trump?

139 Responses to “MOOD MUSIC CHANGES…”

  1. Some visitors deserve nothing else but a frown.

  2. Under either president, the ungrateful Bibi’s grasping hand still takes home the welfare check.

  3. Glad to see Bibi is really a partner for peace. Two prerequisites for peace. 1) Palestinians must recognise Israel as a Jewish State; 2) Israel must retain control of the West Bank.

  4. it’s nice to see you get that right Seamus.

  5. That’s Bibi’s comments. So Bibi will only support peace when the Palestinians fuck off.

  6. I love me some Bibi!

    “If one rocket hits Israel, that loan will be repaid WITH interest!” Got to love him.

  7. A paranoid ethnic cleanser who loves going to the US and telling it what to do.

    Yes, Charles. Got to love him.

  8. The keys to a two state peaceful solution:

    Reparations to Palestinians dispossessed in 1947

    Guaranteed access to Gaza and Westbank via internationally monitored route

    A halt to illegal settlement building

    Jerusalem as a (shared?) capital.

  9. Paul, No, yes, No, NO.

    MourneReg, Bibi can’t be accused of paranoia. They ARE out to get him.

  10. The Arabs haven’t exactly shown a live and let live approach in any major part of the Arab world that I can see.

    In fairness to the Israelis, if they let their guard down , their neighbors would love to destroy them all.

  11. Brothers in arms for sure. But those pesky corruption allegations (against Bibi, you need to ask?) just won’t go away:

    “This month, investigators from the national police anti-fraud unit questioned Netanyahu twice at his Jerusalem residence over his alleged acceptance of tens of thousands of dollars in gifts—cigars, suits, and the like—from wealthy businessmen. One of those accused was Hollywood mogul Arnon Milchan (producer of Pretty Woman and other hit films), who was alleged to have sought the prime minister’s help in securing a long-term U.S. visa. Netanyahu, according to his lawyer Ya’akov Weinroth, insisted that these were simply gifts between friends, and denied any charge of a quid pro quo. Investigators have said they will soon pay him a third visit. But fallout from the corruption investigation could ultimately see Netanyahu ousted, and perhaps even prosecuted. A few commentators have likened Netanyahu to a Moses figure dying on Trump’s doorstep after eight years spent wandering in the Obama desert.”

    https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/01/netanyahu-israel-corruption-adelson/513422/

  12. The Palestinians are terrorists thrown out of every arab state in the ME. The only thing they are owed is a kick in the ass or a bullet to the head. The Pallies occupy Jewish Land not the other way around.

  13. Of the Arab nations, which are the ones that are more tolerant to minorities than Israel is?

  14. none.

  15. In fairness to the Israelis, if they let their guard down , their neighbors would love to destroy them all.

    Absolutely. It’s not as though Israel stole their land and continue to persecute them daily.

  16. Petr

    Your response to my 919 would be welcomed.

  17. Of the southern Africans nations, where were blacks on average better off than in apartheid South Africa?

  18. and look what they did when they got control….lol

  19. Of the Arab nations, which are the ones that are more tolerant to minorities than Israel is?

    What relevance does that question have to the Israeli / Palestinian situation?

  20. Noel — It’s uncanny how similar the excuses are in both cases. The other thing you used to hear a lot about apartheid SA is “Why are you singling out South Africa? There are far worse regimes in Africa?”

    Now where have we heard that recently?

  21. The Palestinians are humans with a different perspective as to who should own disputed land. To suggest they all be killed is revolting.

  22. Ah, Troll wins the stuffed animal today.

  23. What relevance does that question have to the Israeli / Palestinian situation?

    Nothing else needs to be said…. thanks Paul

  24. Paul — Pinking washing is another irrelevance constantly bandied about.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinkwashing_(LGBT)#Israeli_government_public_relations

  25. The comparison with neighboring regimes is not necessarily wrong to establish context and double standards, but it doesn’t excuse misbehavior.

  26. Maybe Trump and Bibi are discussing headquartering the fifth fleet in Israel….

  27. it doesn’t excuse misbehavior

    Like tying bombs to your children and sending them into crowds or raining missiles down on schools on and hospitals as is the Palestinian behavior.

  28. Mahons, on February 15th, 2017 at 9:35 PM Said:

    The Palestinians are humans with a different perspective as to who should own disputed land. To suggest they all be killed is revolting.

    Like the Daily Chanting of death to Israel and Death to the US…. that’s not revolting to you though is it.

  29. The comparison with neighboring regimes is not necessarily wrong to establish context and double standards, but it doesn’t excuse misbehavior

    I don’t see how it does this Mahons but what I do see it doing it used as an excuse to close down any discussion surrounding an alternative to the status quo in Israel.

  30. Raining Missles down on hospitals and schools has been something of an Israeli operation. Those Palestinians engaged in terrorist acts and those who support them deserve to be denounced. But Palestinian terrorism is no excuse for Israeli excesses.

  31. Troll – the Palestinians engaged in a virtual death cult are objectionable. Their inhumane rhetoric rivals yours.

  32. Troll

    Like the Daily Chanting of death to Israel and Death to the US…

    I think that you refer to Iran, not to Israeli/Palestinian Arabs

  33. Those Palestinians engaged in terrorist acts and those who support them deserve to be denounced. But Palestinian terrorism is no excuse for Israeli excesses.

    Absolutely correct.

  34. Britain should really have reoccupied Ireland in the 1930s and drove the Irish from the land and set up exclusively British towns in our midst and criss-crossed our country with roads that the Irish weren’t even allowed use.
    Irish youths would naturally have rioted. But that could have been easily solved by English soldiers shooting them dead and demolishing their homes. That would have kept them quiet.

    After all, where else in Europe at the time were there more civil rights than in Britain?

  35. Where indeed, Noel?

    I notice that President Trump is a far-right fascist and the new Hitler. Well that’s what they say. So what’s he doing welcoming a Jew to the White House?

    Could it be that Trump might not be Hitler reincarnated?

  36. Noel

    Ireland is not the ancestral home of the English people.

    Israel very much is the ancestral home of the Jewish people.

    Thought that you might want to know. This is not a good argument for you guys, and I say that as a critic of Bibi and Bibiism.

  37. Well done Noel. Britain had a much better claim in Ireland in 1900 than the Zionists had in Israel. But by 1948 the Zionists had completed Ethnic Cleansing Phase 1. The attack by the Arab states in 1967 precipitated Ethnic Cleansing Phase 2. And the development of the “Settler Movement” in the 1990s started Ethnic Cleansing Phase 3. Which will culminate in the total expulsion of the remaining Arabs from Greater Israel, within a decade or two, and the completion of a totally Jewish state within the old biblical borders. Which was always the intention. The fact that Jews had been absent for 1500 years by 1900 was totally irrelevant.

    By the same morality, it would appear to be totally acceptable for the Aboriginies to re-occupy Australia and New Zealand and expel the white population entirely. After all, Australia was theirs until 1700 or so. But I suspect the Zionist cheerleaders hereabouts would find a way to apply a different standard.

  38. Phantom, on February 15th, 2017 at 10:10 PM Said:

    Troll

    Like the Daily Chanting of death to Israel and Death to the US…

    I think that you refer to Iran, not to Israeli/Palestinian Arabs

    They are one and the same. The Palestinians chose Those Palestinians engaged in terrorist acts and those who support them deserve to be denounced. like all of them that voted for Hamas an arm of Iranian Terror that they chose.

    No I’m not calling for their death, I’m demanding that we respond to their calling for ours…. Napalm does wonders.

  39. Trump has ditched the two-state solution:

    “US President Donald Trump has dropped decades of US policy insisting on a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. At a news conference with Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu, Mr Trump promised to deliver a “great” peace deal, but said both sides must compromise.”

    “Both sides” does not include Israel, as Bibi well understands.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-38987028

  40. //By the same morality, it would appear to be totally acceptable for the Aboriginies to re-occupy Australia and New Zealand and expel the white population entirely. After all, Australia was theirs until 1700 or so.//

    Correct. But why stop there? Ask Phantom and all other Americans of European descent to move out of New York. It is the ancestral home of the native Americans only.

    //Ireland is not the ancestral home of the English people.//

    The West Bank is not the “ancestral home” of the Jews now claiming it as theirs, or at least no more their ancestral home than it is the Palestinians’.

  41. The Iranians are not the same as the Arabs. They look down on the Arabs generally.

  42. I support Palestinian right to resist using every tool at their disposal up to and including armed struggle, as every decent person should.

  43. I sat in the university in Nablus after incessant night time invasions, killings, and kidnapping (including child-snatching) by IDF thugs. A professor said to me, “What would you do? We have nothing left.”

  44. The Iranians follow their ancient practices and use the Arabs s Fodder.

    Really Petr Child Snatching…. where is your proof. I can show a ton of proof of Pally children self exploding, show me two the Israelis snatched in the middle of the night.

    Just like your belief in communism you show how easily you are deluded into believing anything.

  45. Israel very much is the ancestral home of the Jewish people

    Even if that were true, being away for a few thousand years would affect ownership claims.

  46. The West Bank is not the “ancestral home” of the Jews now claiming it as theirs, or at least no more their ancestral home than it is the Palestinians’.

    The Belief of a Moron.
    The West Bank is made up f pieces of Judea and Samaria. The Term Jew comes from Judea, but facts and reality are concepts beyond your reach.

  47. Troll you complete eejit. Your ignorance is truly staggering.

  48. Paul

    On what day did the Jews lose ownership of their ancestral lands?

    You can’t put a spade into the ground there without finding a Jewish artifact, a thing that makes the Arabs quite upset.

  49. You can’t put a spade into the ground there without finding a Jewish artifact, a thing that makes the Arabs quite upset.

    This imprecision is part of the problem. Many Jews are Arabs — they are not mutually exclusive. Jewish artifacts in the West Bank don’t upset any Arabs. Who told you it did? I hope you didn’t make it up.

    Palestinian identify is not sectarian, Palestinian refers to anyone of that land of any religion. It was the racist Zionist notion of creating a Jewish state and wiping others out that caused all the problems.

  50. You can’t put a spade into the ground there without finding a Jewish artifact

    A bit like Europe and the Roman Empire then?

    I don’t know when the Jews lost ‘ownership of their ancestral lands’ (even if what some book says is true), but I’m pretty sure that not even the children’s children’s children’s children’s children’s children’s children’s children’s children of those who laid that claim would be alive.

  51. Question by Israeli reporter at Trump/Netanyahu press conference.

    Mr. President, since your election campaign and even after your victory, we’ve seen a sharp rise in anti-Semitic — anti- Semitic incidents across the United States. And I wonder, what do you say to those among the Jewish community in the states and in Israel and maybe around the world who believe and feel that your administration is playing with xenophobia and maybe racist tones?

    And Mr. Prime Minister, do you agree to what the president just said about the need for Israel to restrain or to stop settlement activity in the West Bank? And if we could follow up on my friend’s question — simple question: Do you back off from your vision to the (inaudible) conflict of two-state solution as you lay out in (inaudible) speech? Or you still support it?

    Thank you.

    Trump’s answer.

    Well, I just want to say that we are, you know, very honored by the victory that we had — 306 electoral college votes. We were not supposed to crack 220. You know that, right? There was no way to 221, but then they said there’s no way to 270. And there’s tremendous enthusiasm out there.

    I will say that we are going to have peace in this country. We are going to stop crime in this country. We are going to do everything within our power to stop long simmering racism and every other thing that’s going on. There’s a lot of bad things that have been taking place over a long period of time.

    I think one of the reasons I won the election is we have a very, very divided nation, very divided. And hopefully, I’ll be able to do something about that. And I, you know, it was something that was very important to me.

    As far as people, Jewish people, so many friends; a daughter who happens to be here right now; a son-in-law, and three beautiful grandchildren. I think that you’re going to see a lot different United States of America over the next three, four or eight years. I think a lot of good things are happening.

    And you’re going to see a lot of love. You’re going to see a lot of love.

    OK? Thank you.

    Trump is a fucking idiot. And it was 304 ECV, not 306.

  52. We are going to stop crime in this country

    Wow, I wanna see that.

  53. Thank you Petr but I see you didn’t provide any names… what a shock.

    We have an Islamic Problem based in the ancient warring tribes of the Middle East. It consists of Persians, Arabs, Egyptians, Pakistanis, Afghani’s a whole mixed bag of sordid wacjobs Sunni and Shia.

    They have decided the rest of the world is wrong, and must be cleansed of that wrong so that they can live in the Joy of God and prayerful bliss and they are eager to kill us to bring about their paradise.

    We have a choice. We accept their view and lay down and die, or we simply kill them first.

    Me I support the Later. I’m not alone either, and have no doubt whatsoever…. we will win 🙂

  54. Trump is a fucking idiot.

    Some good old Texas straight talk.

    Trump must surely realise, hopefully sooner than later, that what he once referred to as ‘good old Trump bullshit’ won’t cover his tracks at this level?

  55. //you can’t put a spade into the ground there without finding a Jewish artifact,//

    And Philistine and Phoenician and artefacts of various Canaanite peoples, as well as a lot of Greek and Roman articles, for anyone who’s interested.

    //On what day did the Jews lose ownership of their ancestral lands?//

    Phantom, I’ve already told you that the West Bank is no more the ancestral lands of the current land thieves than it is that of the Palestinians, and probably less so.

    By the way, does nobody else find it bizarrely comic that the only guys around here who keep going on about the prior right of some “ancestral home” over the current population are Americans? 🙂

  56. We are going to stop crime in this country

    which rocket scientist uttered that nonsense ???? lol

  57. I find it funny that a bunch of west Euros get more worked up over Israel than they do over anything else, including the very real persecutions done by Arabs today, in multiple parts of their vast lands, and that they don’t give the Jews of Israel the benefits of any doubt in any situation at all, in the postage stamp that they live in.

    That’s really funny.

  58. I think one of the reasons I won the election is we have a very, very divided nation, very divided. And hopefully, I’ll be able to do something about that.

    Y

  59. Brilliant, Daphne. That “answer” is almost too good to be true.

  60. Trump is an apostle of division.

    Lincoln he is not.

  61. I think one of the reasons I won the election is we have a very, very divided nation, very divided. And hopefully, I’ll be able to do something about that.

    Yes of course he does. He wants to make it much worse. And so does Co-President Bannon.

  62. Phantom, on February 15th, 2017 at 11:20 PM Said:

    I find it funny that a bunch of west Euros get more worked up over Israel than they do over anything else, including the very real persecutions done by Arabs today, in multiple parts of their vast lands, and that they don’t give the Jews of Israel the benefits of any doubt in any situation at all, in the postage stamp that they live in.

    That’s really funny.

    Sadly Phantom no what that is, is ancient sentiment and attitude that has always lived on that side of the pond in all their countries. It ebbs and flows in depth, but it’s always been there. That underlying sentiment is what allowed them to stand by while the jews were round up for extermination.

  63. These guys think that the Likud is a hundred times worse than ISIS or Al Queda.

    They really do.

    They should recuse themselves from all discussions on Israel.

  64. //I find it funny that a bunch of west Euros get more worked up over Israel //

    One of the reasons (and there are many more) is that Israel was set up primarily by Euros, colonised by and with Euros on the back of a crime committed by Euros against other Euros.
    The only people who weren’t Euros in the whole story were the victims – the Palestinians.

    And that was the problem. If the Palestinians had had a base in Europe at the time, the series of injustices that has been forced on them since 1948 would never have happened.

    I think you should get back to arguing with Troll, Phantom.

  65. Yes of course he does. He wants to make it much worse. And so does Co-President Bannon.

    no Peter that is the motis operandi of the progressive, not the capitalist or the conservative,

  66. I find it funny that a bunch of west Euros get more worked up over Israel than they do over anything else

    Yeah, because we haven’t discussed anything else such as the POTUS campaign and election.

    FFS Phantom.

    Including the very real persecutions done by Arabs today, in multiple parts of their vast lands, and that they don’t give the Jews of Israel the benefits of any doubt in any situation at all, in the postage stamp that they live in

    We never talk about Saria law, Burkas, Jihad, Iraq, Iran etc?

    Jesus Christ Phantom.

    Look, the Palestinians haven’t had a state in a fair few years so thee’s nothing to measure it against. What you are doing is slipping straw men into the debate in order to close down any discussion re alternatives to the Israeli status quo.

    And, since you’re so big on ‘ancestral lands’ I’m sure you agree that the West Bank must be returned to Jordan, the Sinai to Egypt and the Gplan Heights to Syria?

  67. Noel the injustices that the Palestinians suffered have been delivered to them by their fellow Muslims more so than the Jews.

    Your view in any case however is tainted.

  68. We never talk about Saria law, Burkas, Jihad, Iraq, Iran etc?

    Yes, because the righties bring it up.

    the Palestinians haven’t had a state in a fair few years so thee’s nothing to measure it against

    The Arabs to the west, east, and south of them have had states for a long time. How are they working out?

  69. The Palestinians are Arabs.

    It is very fair to discuss the how Arabs run their own affairs, and how they treat ethnic, religious, and sexual minorities, in a discussion of Palestine.

    It would be very dishonest not to fully discuss it in this conversation.

  70. The Palestinians are Arabs

    Italians and Finns are Europeans. Do they have the same temperament and customs?

    Yes, because the righties bring it up.

    And it gets spoken about constantly

    Now, who you like to leave the straw man alone and get back Israel and my Egyptian, Syrian and Jordanian ‘ancestral lands’ question?

  71. and get back Israel and my Egyptian, Syrian and Jordanian ‘ancestral lands’ question?

    If you attack Israel on all sides and lose, you’re going to lose some land. Texas may be the ancestral land of some Mexicans, but history has put us where we are, in the United States.

  72. The Arabs of Palestine have a history of massacring Jews from well before there was an Israel.

    The mufti was butt buddies with you know who.

    Nah, ” Palestine ” would be the new Switzerland. What a joke these arguments are.

    http://cdn.timesofisrael.com/uploads/2014/12/Hitler-hosts-the-Mufti-792×543.jpg

  73. But Daphne he said he was gonna bwing a yok ov wubb for us .. I would yike a big hug from donald cos it’s a bit scary out vere.
    Will he give us all a big huggy puggies
    If we say no to SNL
    Ven we can pway happy families like ve Waltons
    Ohh look I’ve become a moron ..😀

  74. no Peter that is the motis operandi of the progressive, not the capitalist or the conservative

    Troll

    Bannon has described himself as a Lenninist. And he has made it clear that he wants to tear the system down. Check it out.

  75. “Now, despite losing the popular vote by nearly three million people, the new US president is forcing a radical agenda upon his country that is contrary to the beliefs of at least half of the 2016 electorate. If his victory is viewed as a kind of government takeover, aided by a hostile foreign power, the shock and unprecedented grief experienced by the 62 million Americans who voted for Clinton is not the loser’s inability to move on, and no “bubble.” It is something akin to what the Russians experienced 100 years ago when they woke up to the news that the legitimate provisional government had been disbanded by the Bolsheviks, whose stated agenda was the destruction of the Russian state and building a completely different—Soviet—entity in its stead. Indeed, the president’s chief strategist, Steve Bannon, has himself cited Lenin as an influence. Writer and historian Ronald Radosh wrote in the Daily Beast that Bannon approvingly told him in 2013, “Lenin wanted to destroy the state, and that’s my goal too. I want to bring everything crashing down, and destroy all of today’s establishment.”

    https://qz.com/898053/want-to-understand-what-trump-and-bannon-are-up-to-look-to-the-russian-revolution-of-1917/

  76. Written by a Rusky!

  77. Trump also said he was open to a One State solution between Israel and Palestine in today’s press briefing.

    The mouthpiece for the Palestinians immediately responded, saying they would welcome such a solution, as it would give Palestinians an equal vote, which would then make Israel an Arab majority country.

    Trump is so fucking stupid.

    A bunch of delusional, dumb people voted for this walking train wreck of monumental incompetence.

  78. Peter, I am starting to get worried about this chap Bannon.

  79. The US, like the Philippines, has elected a complete idiot to run the country.

    And the American people can’t say they weren’t told.

    They own this pig.

  80. Chap Bannon is an intense ideologue that should worry you quite a bit.

  81. At least we can be thankful that Trump isn’t state sanctioning the murder of drug dealers and addicts in the streets by vigilantes, Phantom.

    Although who knows what strangeness Trump might tweet endorse tomorrow?

  82. I’m going to get under Phantom’s skin here by saying I have faith in the system that the Founding Fathers set up to constitutionally constrain a president.

  83. Relax Charles. The “Deep State” will see off Bannon if he becomes a serious threat. Just ask Pete Moore.

    Bannon has compared his role to Thomas Cromwell under Henry VIII. And he is well aware how that turned out. For the Tudor aristocracy in 1540 substitute the GOP beltway insiders in 2017?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Cromwell

  84. Peter, I would prefer he take after Thomas More!

  85. The alt-right Trumpista’s constantly repeating the Deep State meme sound like Chomskyites.

  86. Yes Charles, another interesting man in the Tudor period. But just as ruthless as Cromwell and just as much a victim of the tyrant that was Henry VIII. Even today, the political establishment talk about “Henry VIII powers” in the sense that they would love to have them back. They mean rule by decree, bypassing Parliament, which Thomas Cromwell supported during Henry’s Reformation, only to come a cropper a few years later when he fell from favour.

    Which brings us back to Steve Bannon…

  87. The president can make many grave errors not easily fixed by legislators or judges

    Ask GW Bush of Iraq LBJ of Vietnam

    And either of these two were better men than Trump

  88. The alt-right Trumpista’s constantly repeating the Deep State meme sound like Chomskyites.

    Yes Daphne. “Four legs good, two legs bad!”

    And of course “Fake News!” which is a handy smear for anything that shows them up and is trotted out (sorry pigs) on a daily basis.

    But it’s only the liberal media that lie, never their palls in Breitbart or Fox or Alex Jones. And of course never their President or any of his gang. They are totally full of shit truthful at all times. Apart from that Flynn jerk who was sacked for lying. By Trump.

  89. This might ring a bell with you, Peter. It’s a short vid of Jake Tapper eviscerating Trump’s constant barrage of blatant lies and obscene hypocrisy. I find it amazing that Trump supporters refuse to see what’s staring them straight in the face.

    I liked Noel’s response above;

    One of the reasons (and there are many more) is that Israel was set up primarily by Euros, colonised by and with Euros on the back of a crime committed by Euros against other Euros.
    The only people who weren’t Euros in the whole story were the victims – the Palestinians.
    And that was the problem. If the Palestinians had had a base in Europe at the time, the series of injustices that has been forced on them since 1948 would never have happened.

    Not sure many people have ever considered it from this unique, brutally accurate angle.

    Hat’s off, Noel.

  90. Vice Admiral Robert Harward offered the National Security Advisor job, but has yet to accept, sources tell CBS News.

    Sometimes in situations like this I like to make a PLUSSES and MINUSES list

    +
    •Badass job
    •Primo access
    •Cool office


    •Boss is kinda nuts

  91. An article New York Times I saw some interesting detail on Harwood

    He grew up in pre-revolutionary Iran and is a fluent Persian ( Farsi. ) speaker. One of the languages in Afghanistan is very similar and he used to astonish the afghans by speaking to them in their own language

    He is a physical fitness fanatic Who loves doing push-ups or going for 20 mile runs

    He has worked for General Mathis so this would be a reunion

    He is working as a defense contractor employee in Abu Dhabi and any White House job would mean a significant pay cut

  92. – Harward-

  93. David,

    Off topic, but have you noticed that there is someone impersonating you on Disqus?:
    https://disqus.com/by/davidvancebritishulster/

    If I were you I would do something about it — complain to Disqus or sue.

  94. https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2017/02/15/world/middleeast/15reuters-usa-trump-harward-profile.html?_r=0

    Harward sounds like he could be a major upgrade from Flynn

    “I think back to the days when I graduated from the Tehran American School in 1974, where as a Westerner I could freely travel through Afghanistan, Pakistan, India and other countries in the region and be greeted, and welcomed, because of the policies and strategy the West employed in the region,” he said. “Yet I look today, we are in a much different world.”

    Harward did not respond to a request for comment and officials at Lockheed Martin, where he is a top executive, declined to comment.

    After graduating from high school in 1974, Harward returned to the United States, joined the Navy, became an elite SEAL and rose through the ranks, eventually serving as deputy commander of U.S. Central Command, which oversees American forces in the Middle East. He served there under General Jim Mattis, now the U.S. defense secretary.

    Earlier in his career, Harward worked on counterterrorism as a military officer on the National Security Council, an assignment seen as a marker of a rising star.

    Several former U.S. officials who worked with Harward described him as experienced and smart, but not known for his personal experience with Iran.

    He is well-liked and respected and seen as unpretentious despite his distinguished military service, according to people who have worked with him.

    “He was a very good and effective bureaucratic player,” said Derek Chollet, an assistant secretary of defense under the Obama administration. “He understands the role the military plays within the broader tool set of American policy.”

    When Harward was a commanding officer in Afghanistan, he was known for making his rounds without full body armor to send a message that Afghanistan was safe, said a U.S. official who worked under Harward there.

    “He had no ego,” the official said, on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak.

    (Reporting by Yeganeh Torbati; Editing by James Dalgleish)

  95. If you attack Israel on all sides and lose, you’re going to lose some land

    That kind of negates the ‘ancestral Jewish homeland’ claim to Israel Charles what with the Jewish diaspora allegedly being scattered to the four corners of the earth and all that.

    The Arabs of Palestine have a history of massacring Jews from well before there was an Israel

    So you’re claiming that the ‘Arabs of Palestine’ existed before Israel? (and still using whataboutery to negate any discussion on alternatives to the current situation).

    Dont the ‘Arabs of Palestine’ also have an ‘ancestral homeland’ claim then?

  96. Of course there were Arabs there before 1948

    Don’t they have schools over there?

  97. The fact that Israel didn’t exist before 1948 also would negate the ‘Jewish ancestral homeland’ argument and in fact give credence to the Palestinian argument wouldn’t it?

  98. You are playing dumb I may get an Oscar for this performance

    The fact that the Irish Free state did not come about until the early 20th century probably means to you that Ireland was the ancestral home of the English people?

  99. Ireland is not the Irsh Free and existed many many many years before the formation of the FS.

    You were the one that said Israel only existed since 1948 not me.

  100. The reincarnated state of Israel

    Defeated nations and peoples crushed to earth can and do re-emerge after great struggles – Korea, Poland, Ireland Israel come to mind

  101. The fact that the state has been destroyed does not mean that the nation has been destroyed

    As far as I’m concerned, there are Tibetan and Kurdish nations, even though those peoples have been denied a state by stronger, predatory neighbors

  102. Korea, Poland, Ireland Israel come to mind

    …..and Palestine or do they not have an ‘ancestral homeland’ claim as well?

    And while we’re back on the subject of ancestral lands you never did answer my question re Golan, the Sinai and the Westbank?

  103. The Jews have the prior and more significant claim in that immediate small area

    The Arabs have a vast universe of land, they don’t need to control every grain of sand in that region. They are not the only peoples; they need to learn to share.

  104. The Jews have the prior and more significant claim in that immediate small area

    They do in their bollocks.

    The Arabs have a vast universe of land

    Yeah because a Lebanese is exactly the same as a Saudi.

    Lumping all the Arabs in together eh?, clever move. See my earler comment re Italian and Finn Euros.

    Now, are you going to continuously ignore the ‘ancestral homeland’ question re Jordan, Syria and Egypt?

  105. The Arabs can learn to share

    All peoples deserve respect for their national aspirations, except for the Jews

    I think that we all see what’s going on

  106. The Arabs can learn to share

    So you agree with a two state solution then? Good.

    As per my last night:

    The keys to a two state peaceful solution:
    Reparations to Palestinians dispossessed in 1947
    Guaranteed access to Gaza and Westbank via internationally monitored route
    A halt to illegal settlement building
    Jerusalem as a (shared?) capital

    Now, would you like to address the ‘ancestral homeland’ of three different countries or will you continue to quietly ignore it?

  107. I have been in favor of a two state solution for a long time

    I believe that you guys are in favor of one state solution – an Arab Muslim imperial state and no Jewish state anywhere on the face of the earth

  108. I believe that you guys are in favor of one state solution – an Arab Muslim imperial state and no Jewish state anywhere on the face of the earth

    Perhaps you missed this?

    The keys to a two state peaceful solution:
    Reparations to Palestinians dispossessed in 1947
    Guaranteed access to Gaza and Westbank via internationally monitored route
    A halt to illegal settlement building
    Jerusalem as a (shared?) capital

    But hey, why not tell us what your two state solution would look like? You sure don’t seem keen on returning Jordanians, Syrians and Egyptians to their ‘ancestral homelands’ anyway despite them having ‘the prior and more significant claim in that immediate small area’

  109. here is the thing. Despite the propaganda the Palestinians are ancestrally Jordanian, Lebanon, and Syrian, they are not Israeli. Those are the nations/regions that they were ancestrally driven from and into Jewish Territory.

    The Palestinians were given a chance to prove they could have their own State and be a Functional member of the World of Nations. Instead they VOTED/CHOSE not to be a functional State but a Terrorist Camp to attack and invade their Neighbors.

    No 2 State Solution sorry that is the path they chose.

  110. Yeah because a Lebanese is exactly the same as a Saudi.

    Lumping all the Arabs in together eh?,

    Indigenous Lebanese are descendants of Phoenicians and are not arab

  111. // Phantom, on February 15th, 2017 at 11:26 PM Said:

    These guys think that the Likud is a hundred times worse than ISIS or Al Queda.

    They really do. //

    //Phantom, on February 16th, 2017 at 1:19 PM Said:

    I believe that you guys are in favor of one state solution – an Arab Muslim imperial state and no Jewish state anywhere on the face of the earth//

    It gets fun when Phantom realises he’s lost the argument and starts frantically building straw men.

  112. no straw men about Noel you and others would prefer to see the Jews driven into the sea.

    There is one problem with that.

    It’s called the United States of America. No matter what happens we yanks guarantee the Jews safety, and if anyone manages to violate that safety even if they kill every Jew and make Israel a radioactive wasteland on general principal we will then kill them even if it’s just for spite.

  113. Correct Noel.

    Despite repeated references to a two state solution it would appear that some of ATW’s resident Yanks know better than us that we want a single Muslim imperial state cleansed of all Jews driven into the sea.

    Just as well we’ve got these guys to think and speak for us.

    Have you ever heard such irrelevant, untrue bollocks?

  114. Paul, I would be all for the Palestinians being given some land in Jordan for their state. It would turn into a hell hole like Gaza, but we could say we tried. The West Bank, however, is Israel.

    And no one has stated it on this thread, but the eternal capital of Israel is Jerusalem. When Jesus walked in Jerusalem and looked up, he saw the Jewish Temple, not the A.A. mosque!

    More power to Trump moving our embassy there.

  115. Moving the embassy to Jerusalem would be a stupid mistake.

    It would inflame the Arabs even more without benefiting the US in any way.

    The US should never do intentionally do something against its own interests, even if it makes the ungrateful welfare recipient Bibi happy.

  116. You’re always the level headed one Phantom!

  117. the Embassy BELONGS in Jerusalem period stop end of conversation…..

  118. //The Pallies occupy Jewish Land not the other way around.//

    //No 2 State Solution sorry that is the path they chose.//

    //The West Bank, however, is Israel.//

    There we see in black and white who and where the bigots are. But of course not a word of criticism from Phantom; instead just lies that I and others want Israel destroyed.

    Pathetic.

  119. The embassy belongs in a place that best suits the national interests of the United States.

    Which is not Jerusalem.

    Picking unnecessary fights, which is exactly that this would be doing, is not in the national interest.

  120. Noel

    I don’t respond to Troll’s every belch, though god knows I respond to enough of them.

    He uncritically represents the conservative wing of Likud and Bibi ism, and puts America last, I represent a highly critical America first view of Israel and the rest of the Middle East.

  121. Noel, I’m not a bigot in wanting Israel to have a defensible western border. Besides Bethlehem is in the West Bank, and there’s nothing more Jewish imo.

  122. //Besides Bethlehem is in the West Bank, and there’s nothing more Jewish imo.//

    Charles, with all respect, the sheer lack of knowledge expressed in that alone goes a long way to explaining the stupidity of your position on this general matter.

    But no worries – in the US that kind of ignorance is in very good company.

  123. Charles they refuse any pretext of honesty, look I was speaking to Noel yet Paul threw in a defense, he did so out of guilt. Half these people support and endorse terrorist warfare. They side with the terrorists every chance they get.

    They are proudly anti-jew and pro-islamic.

    Phantom having our Embasy in Jerusalem does benefit the US. It states our case plain and simple.

    We tried to accommodate both the Pallies and the Jews. Bill Clinton and the PM of Israel gave the Pallies everything they wanted and they threw it in both of our faces and went on a jew killing rampage… enough of this farce.

    Israel which includes Judea and Samaria belong to the Jews. The Islamists want the Jews and we Americans DEAD.

    Well neither of us is easy to kill.

    We are at War with Islamic Jihad, Israel is at War with Islamic Jihad. We put the Embassy in Jerusalem and the Fifth Fleet in the Mediterranean making Tel Aviv it’s home port.

  124. I rode a ship into the port of Haifa.

  125. Haifa will work as a home port.

  126. My pals and I got a ride from Israeli soldiers in their jeep.

    Nice Mediterranean town, Haifa is.

  127. There is a rumor floating around on the intelligence sites of a 3 Nation Alliance to Combat the forces of Islamic Terrorism.

    The US, GB, and Israel working openly as a coordinated unit in the ME.

    That would be a gravitational shift on so many fronts.

  128. Two places I’ve always wanted to see were Jerusalem and Giza. We had even planned a nice cruise down the Nile.

    That trip will never happen in this lifetime.

  129. The Brits won’t ever be that closely aligned with Israel. Ain’t happenin.

    When I went to Israel as a tourist, I went to the Wailing Wall of course. A spiritual experience. I stuck a prayer note between the stones. Prayed silently.

    And then a Hassidic son of a bitch started a conversation and asked for money for his ” charity “.

    True story.

  130. Noel, my comments represent the thinking in my part of the world. They may be ignorant to you, but they are a different perspective to me.

    Don’t fall into the Daphne approach to debating, where everyone else is “fucking
    stupid.”

  131. Troll 708

    Overt sraeli actions in multiple Arab countries would inspire even more Arab terrorism.

    I am sure that they cooperate up the ying yang behind the scenes, but it can’t be public.

  132. //Nice Mediterranean town, Haifa is.//

    Yes, I always wanted to go there. There was always a strong Christian Arab presence there. Unfortunately, the number of Christians in the city fell from about 30,000 to only around 2,000 within one year when Israel was established.

  133. //where everyone else is “fucking stupid.”//

    Charles, unfortunately I can’t think of a more fitting epithet than those two words to describe the bizarre notion that there’s “nothing more Jewish” than Bethlehem, of all places 🙂

  134. At least you put a smilie face!

  135. chazz

    Tell me again about when you will be in NYC to catch the cruise ship

  136. //At least you put a smilie face!//

    Charles, I couldn’t find a “burst-out-laughing” emoji!

  137. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ad3muFUM4r0

  138. Thanks, Phantom. I think I’ll have need of that link around here. 🙂

  139. Despite repeated referrals to a two state solution those who would dare to suggest any kind of equitable solution to the Palestinian / Israeli problem have been accused of being

    In favor of one state solution – an Arab Muslim imperial state and no Jewish state anywhere on the face of the earth

    Not to mention of course the intellectually comatose

    Proudly anti-jew and pro-islamic

    The Pallies occupy Jewish Land not the other way around.
    No 2 State Solution sorry that is the path they chose.
    The West Bank, however, is Israel

    From Noel’s quote above and from the way the occupied territories question has been ignored it’s no too difficult to see who the entrenched in a ethnic – religious imperial state are.

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