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My Heart is broken

By The Troll On March 19th, 2017

rest in peace the real king of rock and roll

This post was a hat tip to the passing of a Great Rock and Roller.
Thank You for your comments.

96 Responses to “My Heart is broken”

  1. Absolutely agree, Troll. He was indeed great. I’ve had much fun playing (badly) Johnny B. Goode over many years. I first learned it from a tape of the man himself playing it like only he could. He was lucky enough to have a long life, and may he rest in peace.

  2. Years ago, Chuck Berry, unbelievably, played a concert at the old Fortway movie theater in Bay Ridge Brooklyn, the only concert I knew that was held there

    We all went, and it was a great show

  3. Sounds fantastic, Phantom.

  4. http://forgotten-ny.com/2015/12/fortway-theatre-dyker-heights/

    This is the local movie theater where we saw the Chuck Berry concert

    The Fortway was a mighty old movie theaterthat ultimately went away due to technological change-tv, then cable tv, VCRs, DVDs internet.

    It was once of large theater with the balcony, and it was carved up into multiple screens,then it closed, and now it is a Chinese supermarket.

    But for one night in the 1970s, it’s saw a live show by Chuck Berry.

    The passing of Chuck Barry has led to a lot of local people talking about this concert., and other concerts by major, or soon to become major acts in movie theaters. I just learned that the Grateful Dead performed at another nearby movie theater here. That would’ve been something to see.

    NYC, and probably your own town, as many former movie theaters which now serve other purposes. I look for them when going through various neighborhoods, you can tell them by the distinct style of building. They can now serve as James, furniture stores, supermarkets, anything. There is a website solely dedicated to discussing the history of the great movie palaces of America.

  5. Can serve as –gyms–

  6. Convicted of human trafficking and prostitution of a fourteen year old. Convicted of having hidden CCTV in the women’s toilets of his restaurant.

    A vile human being but all anyone’s wants to talk about is the music.

  7. I didn’t know about those incidents Paul. His image wasn’t as clean as i thought.

  8. He was a magnificent musicuan but a horrible piece of work Dave.

    I don’t believe the latter should be overlooked because of the former.

  9. He was a disaster of a human being, in terms of his personal life. Ornery and difficult even to his admirers. I don’t think anyone is excusing him of his personal failures. However his contribution Musically is so significant to Rock and Roll it is almost impossible to overstate.

  10. I’m not going to defend the mistakes Chuck made in his life but this is the first dead musician post that anyone has ever come on and started talking about the mistakes in their life…..

    Why is that Paul are you a racist?

  11. The point I make Mahons is that people just want to remember and speak about the nice things. His contribution to musicians is beyond question.

  12. Phantom — It is sad to see those old cinemas/theatres die off. This old Dublin cinema which dates back to the 1920s became a Polish grocery store and just recently a restaurant.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/culture/heritage/selling-the-stella-behind-doors-of-an-old-dublin-institution-1.2616085

    Another old Dublin cinema — The Classic — was demolished and not replaced with anything, leaving an ugly empty space for more than ten years now.

    This was not inevitable. Many European cities have held onto small neighborhood cinemas and they are all the better for it. Berlin’s Kinos are cozy and old-fashioned; a great way to spend a relaxing evening.

  13. By the way, The Beatles once played at the Adelphi Cinema in Dublin — another old cinema that has bitten the dust.

    http://www.dublincity.ie/sites/default/files/galleries/CIN017_Adelphi.jpg

  14. Cinema Treasures is an extended, continuing love letter to the world’s movie theaters, past and present

    http://cinematreasures.org

    Highly recommended

  15. Another place i have to remove from my bucket list of places to visit. And another cinema closed.

    http://www.independent.ie/regionals/braypeople/news/location-for-famous-fr-ted-scene-to-shut-at-end-of-july-county-wicklows-last-cinema-to-close-down-27598260.html

  16. Troll

    …but this is the first dead musician post that anyone has ever come on and started talking about the mistakes in their life…..

    Scrolling back through some of the comments left on tribute posts on this site, you can plainly see that this is simply untrue.
    In fact there’s a post from you, Troll which mentions another rock stars mistakes in their life. (Amy Winehouse.)

    jails, insitutions, and death. The 3 inevitable destinations of addiction

    http://www.atangledweb.org/?p=21732#comment-288515

  17. Prostituting a 14 year old is not a ” mistake ” in my books, nor is the other incident

    The ugly parts of Berry’s life have been completely airbrushed out of most of the recent tributes. This is wrong .

    Good comment Paul.

  18. There’s no doubt that he was a magnificent musician and songwriter and his contribution to music is beyond question but let’s speak about him warts and all.

  19. He was about 33 years of age when he was arrested on the Mann Act violation ( with the 14 year old girl )

    He was no confused 18 year-old

  20. Yes, good comment Paul. I must admit I was completely unaware of any of this stuff.

  21. It’s strange that in the US terms of imprisionment for certain crimes at least seem to be harsher today than they were a half century ago.

    As a young man CB was done for four counts of armed robbery apparently, and for that he sat for 18 months. I’d imagine the jail term today would be much longer.
    He also got off lightly for the “kidnapping” conviction.

    And that was for a convicted black man in the 1950s in America.

    But, just as a politician should be judged by the job he does, so should a musician be judged by the quality of his music, and in that sense CB is without sin. 🙂

  22. It’s like Ezekiel Elliott of the Dallas Cowboys making Millions, and he gets caught up pulling a woman’s shirt down. Some people can’t get out of their own way.

  23. I was unaware of the armed robbery conviction, which wiki tells me happened when he was a teenager

    That is a serious crime, but I would not necessarily have a problem with 18 months being the sentence for someone of that age, first conviction where no one had been hurt

  24. Having said all that above, his music literally is timeless and will live on when all of us and our great great grandchildren are gone:

    https://i.redd.it/wr638gqw2amy.jpg

  25. The artistic gene is not always given to angels.

  26. Troll – if you are upset that people are pointing out Chuck Berry’s errors just do what you do when they point out Trump’s errors – deny the facts!

  27. I only did it because I’m racist Mahons. Obviously.

  28. Jerry Lee Lewis was also a deeply flawed dude.

  29. To the extent that he was political, he was a Democrat

    He performed for President Jimmy Carter, he performed at a democratic fundraiser, he made at least one contribution to democratic political organization

    Therefore his crimes were evidence of Democratic Party values, if we follow the logic of the Newt Gingriches of this world

  30. Man, if I never eat corned beef and cabbage again it’ll be too soon. Luckily though I’ve got beer left! Slow day around here.

    Phantom, how’s Jude doing in NYC? Did you meet up for breakfast?

  31. We plan to meet tomorrow after work Monday

    No we did not meet for breakfast today

  32. Corned beef and cabbage doesn’t sound too appealing. After a few pints of stout last night I had a fried Irish breakfast this morning. Truly one of life’s great joys!

  33. We plan to meet tomorrow after work Monday

    Beer summit! You going somewhere in Manhattan?

  34. To be determined…his call!

    I believe that corn beef is not a traditional Irish dish at all, but it is more of an Irish American tradition

    When the Irish moved to urban centers in America in the 1800s they certainly were not rich, but they were more prosperous than they were. They could now afford to buy more beef, and a lot of the beef that they did buy was produced by kosher butcher’s- corned beef!!

    I am going to ask Allan to investigate this conspiracy

  35. Petr, do the Irish eat much beef? That was a discussion we had. Here in Texas of course we have steak for breakfast sometime and certainly for many a dinner. Steak and eggs and potatoes for breakfast.

    Phantom, going to NYC for a vacation is still on my bucket list, but my cruise the year is off. Just too expensive. I have a problem with only settling for the best! Maybe in a year or two though.

  36. Charles, I lived in Ireland for forty years and never even seen corned beef and cabbage together never mind ate it but Phantom’s explanation may go someways to explaining where you Yanks get these strange notions from 😉

    I’m not sure if the Irish eat more beef than anyone else but I remember that offal, pig’s feet, tripe, tongue, liver etc was quite common in Belfast when I was growing up in the seventies and eighties.

  37. If you are flexible on time, I believe that there are sites/ agencies that specialize in last minute cruise sales- and that some of the discounts can be substantial

    Better for them to take $.50 on the dollar then to leave the cabin unsold

  38. Paul, here corned beef and cabbage is traditional fare on St. Patrick’s Day. The joke is that if our ancestors ate like this in Ireland, no wonder they left. I’m glad to hear that it’s only an Irish-American tradition and that you are not subjected to it! Phantom’s explanation sounds plausible.

    //but I remember that offal, pig’s feet, tripe, tongue, liver etc was quite common in Belfast when I was growing up in the seventies and eighties.//

    I do love liver and onions, but most people turn up their noses at it!

  39. Phantom, that’s true. I have a brochure here where the cruises are up to 35% off, and I have found, if you call a couple of weeks before a cruise you can get 50% off.

  40. http://www.lastminutecruises.com

    This is the type of agency I’m speaking about

    Cabbage dishes can be delicious though – again, totally cheap, available everywhere, and as nutritious as you can get. Cabbage is part of many cultures. The Chinese eat zillions of them, and it hasn’t done them any Harman and it hasn’t done them any harm

  41. Oops

  42. Not a big fan of offal at all Charles. The furthest I could probably go is steak and kindey pie.

  43. //I believe that corn beef is not a traditional Irish dish at all, but it is more of an Irish American tradition//

    //I remember that offal, pig’s feet, tripe, tongue, liver etc was quite common in Belfast when I was growing up in the seventies and eighties.//

    A very interesting subject in Irish history, and of course also very tragic.

    Corned beef is very much an Irish invention and was made in Ireland even before the English conquest, although it really took off during the 15th and 16th centuries, when Ireland was probably the biggest producer in the world. The cities surrounded by large pasture land, such as Dublin and Cork, were the centres of production, with Cork producing most of the stuff. Belfast, on the other hand, didn’t have a pastural hinterland and was insignificant in beef processing.

    Corned beef was, however, always expensive and certainly well beyond the reach of the Irish pesantry. Then, when the industrial revolution happened in Britain, the market for corned beef boomed. As a result, more and more landowners in Ireland, most of whom in any case felt loyalty only to Britain and despised the Irish, began driving the people off the fertile pasture land through evictions and “rack-rents”, leaving for the pesantry only small plots of poorer land on which to grow potatoes.
    Production of corned beef rocketed in 19th C Ireland, and almost all of it was exported, mostly to England, but also to the US. So when the potatoe harvests failed in the 1840s, the people had no other alternative crops to grow, or rather no land to grow them on, and they died or emigrated.
    Corned beef, with the industrial revolution in England and the appetite for this Irish product among English workers, is one of the causes of the Famine disaster.

    But for those Irish who made it to America, corned beef was still considered a luxury article and once they too became industrial labourers they took to it with a vengence, just as the English working class had decades previously. That’s probably why it has such a special place in Irish American cuisine.

  44. I think that as far as meat consumption in general, that the Irish eat more meat than Americans, but less than the British do

    There are I think more vegetarians per capita in both Ireland and England then there are in the United States

    In the UK, the mad cow crisis Imthink made for a permanent reduction in their beef consumption

  45. Interesting perspective Noel.

    I have of course eaten corned beef but only in sandwiches and never with cabbage 🙂

    I seem to remember it being looked down on as some kind of cheap meat?

  46. Phantom, Just booked a shorter cruise out of NYC departing 21 October! We’ll probably fly in the night before to see some sights.

  47. Good show

    Where exactly does the cruise leave from and where does it travel to

  48. My 818 is wrong ( typo )

    The Irish eat significantly -less- meat per capita than Americans but more than the British

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_meat_consumption

  49. It leaves from either the Brooklyn Cruise Terminal pier 12 2 days at sea, bay of Fundy, Halifax Nova Scotia. We love the sea days.

    We’ll probably fly into LGA Friday oct 20 and depart 5 pm the 21 and stay 1 night in Manhattan (TBD)

  50. Very good

    You of course will be departing from Red Hook, where Jude is staying now

  51. Hey Jude.

    If you have access, check your email

    I expect to be passing through Redhook at seven- 730

  52. I’m home fancy fort defiance?

  53. Noel — How on earth do you know so much about the history of corned beef?! 😆

    Petr, do the Irish eat much beef? That was a discussion we had. Here in Texas of course we have steak for breakfast sometime and certainly for many a dinner. Steak and eggs and potatoes for breakfast.

    Charles — I believe that Irish people still eat plenty of red meat, probably more than what’s good for them. It takes a different form than the US though. I remember many years ago in Boston ordering a mixed grill for breakfast. I did really know what was coming but was shocked to see steak, eggs, mushrooms, pork chops, potatoes, and more — all for breakfast!!!

  54. The Red Hook beer summit will commence within the half hour!

  55. I imagine you both in an old school American bar with Bob Dylan’s Joey playing on the jukebox!

  56. Petr – your a member if Ireland’s ‘antifa’, aren’t you?

    http://archive.is/BcDmW

    With roots as far back as the 1920’s, the Antifa have stopped the far-right from forming and organising in various capacities. Here in Ireland they have been around since 1991, more commonly going by the name ‘Anti Fascist Action’ (AFA). In this time period they have prevented the sporadic ‘pop-up’ of far-right or racist organisations, being first on the scene to deny them a stage. With members ranging from anarchists, republicans, and socialists, they gained mainstream media attention last year when they successfully stopped German anti-Islam group ‘Pegida’ from forming in Dublin.

    I chatted with AFA Ireland about taking on the far-right, why ‘direct action’ is the only game in town for them, and the changing face of fascism.

    Q. While many credit AFA and other anti-racist groups for stopping the far-right forming in Ireland, some think the issue runs deeper. They point to Ireland’s social conservatism which has been sustained by centre-right governments over the years, and which has manifested itself in the discriminatory direct provision system, restrictive abortion laws, and until very recently restrictive LGBT laws. Is it fair to say that the far-right has never risen in Ireland as its social conditions have always been somewhat satisfied?

    AFA: It is true that one of the key breaks on Ireland becoming a fascist state was the fact it was already a hardline quasi Catholic theocracy, and that this suffocated the need for any fascist turn. But as a group firmly positioned ideologically on the left, we know that the key element for the memetic survival of fascist ideals lies in both the overarching capitalist superstructure as well as normalised and inherently exclusionary notions of Irishness.
    One of the things we’re interested in at the moment is the continued existence of reactionary norms such as the so called nuclear family. By drawing on the work of Wilhem Reich, who examined the idea of fascism as a symptom of sexual repression, we are taking the ‘Reicheann approach’ by advocating for the early managed sexualisation of children so as to prevent the formation of any earlier fascist traits. This was outlined in Reich’s magnum opus ‘The Mass Psychology of Fascism’, and has been shown to be effective when tried experimentally on the European continent.

    Perverts and paedophiles – that’s ‘antifa’.

  57. your a member if

    you’re a member of…?

  58. I have a very dive bar in mind, an much loved place that was flooded out by Sandy a few years ago and is back in business now

  59. Approaching the destination on the B61 city bus

  60. Get some sleep Allan.

  61. Phantom and Jude, Have fun!

    but was shocked to see steak, eggs, mushrooms, pork chops, potatoes, and more — all for breakfast!!!

    Petr, American breakfasts can contain a nauseating amount of food. The portions are just way too big.

  62. For all of his faults , he was a great musician . RIP .

  63. Hey antifa – leave those kids alone!

    Pink Floyd 1979

  64. US portions are too huge but I have seen some massive breakfast in Dublin and London

    Hello from Fort Defiance one of my new favorite bars

  65. Jude and I have sorted everything out in what I believe is the first beer summit in Brooklyn

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A_MjCqQoLLA

  66. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qD5DpLQ9CCY

  67. any pictures of you two lifting a Toast?

  68. There is a photo troll
    Just sent it to phantom
    We partied .. and then some

    Wait for the thread 🙂

  69. Petr
    Food company music .. top knotch
    I think it was the large vodka that wiped me
    At the end … Tom is so down to earth.
    I expected a suit and a grilling. Instead
    Met a relaxed fella and had my horizons broadened .. swell .
    Now that’s a word somewhat out of fashion !

  70. I can’t manipulate the photo, and I don’t like it anyway so I’m not trying too hard.

    I may see him later today and will try for a better one.

    He is walking across the mighty Brooklyn Bridge now, on a fine morning.

  71. He, like me, is a fan of trains, and I have recommended that he take in the NY Transit Museum tomorrow. It is jam packed with bus and subway memorabilia. from the turn of the twentieth century, when some subway cars had wood siding.

    http://www.nytransitmuseum.org/visit/

  72. Yep it’s closed today that museum .. OK so ground zero it is ..
    I like the photo Tom you’re laughing .
    Woukd nake a good caption photo
    Jude says to phantom
    ” what chance a 2nd term for Trump”?

  73. He’s got to avoid impeachment in the first year first.

  74. Phantoms having fantasies that he is sharing with Pelosi…..

    Phantom what can get a President impeached? List the offenses. Better yet list what High crimes and misdemeanors that Trump has committed.

  75. I only say that this guy has off the charts high impeachment potential.

  76. A person who does not have a good grip on reality often can’t be seen as guilty of a crime.

    I’d think that many, including many Republicans that aren’t pom-pom wavers, are increasingly of the view that Trump is not sane.

    I think that a person who is out of touch with reality – who is incapacitated – should not hold the office of president.

    Unless Trump sobers up, the Republican and Democratic leadership may need to have some frank conversations about removing him from office, on the grounds of of mental disability, not ( only ) due to crimes.

  77. Agreed Phantom. I personally think that Trump did this to satisfy his ginormous ego not thinking that he could actually win and not that he now realises that he’s completely out of his depth.

    I had hoped that when he became President his advisers would have been wiser council against the excesses of his ego and erraticism but when we look at the Conways and Spicers of his administration we can see that’s not the case.

    I suspect that if he continues in the vein of habitually lying and making a fool out of himself internationally then patience within the American Republican Party will eventually run out.

  78. In their own polite way, British intelligence and the British government have put him in his place for the ” big lie ” that British intelligence aided in an illegal wiretap that Obama supposedly had put on ” Trump Tower ” .

    Trump is not man enough to apologize.

    And the great British superpatriots from hell of ATW don’t have a thing to say about Trump misusing the good name of their own government.

  79. Trump is probably used to his business flunkies ( employees, suppliers ) backing him up on his lies.

    The US government / Congress / our allies are not going to do that for anyone, especially not a drama queen screwball like this guy.

    Comey, the CIA, Ryan, McConnell, the British government have all basically called him a liar.

    If your own party’s leadership and if your nation’s best allies are not going to back up your lies, maybe you want to stop lying so much.

  80. ‘Absurd’ ‘nonsensical’ ‘ridiculous’ and ‘gratuitously damaging’ were some of the adjectives used by a former Brit ambassador to the US about the Brits wire tapping Trump along withe an accusation of ‘peddling falsehoods’.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/mar/19/white-house-trump-wiretap-uk-ambassador-peter-westmacott

    The stuff of insanity.

  81. Allow me to take a bigger bite from Paul’s link, as many will not open a link

    [ Former British ambassador to Washington ] Westmacott accuses the White House of not only “peddling falsehoods” that the British intelligence agency GCHQ assisted then president Barack Obama in tapping Trump’s New York phones, but of potentially harming intelligence cooperation across the Atlantic.

    His comments come as the Republican chair of the House of Representatives intelligence committee has said he has seen no evidence to back Trump’s claims, and as a Republican member of that panel said the president should apologise to Britain.

    “This is a dangerous game,” Westmacott writes. “The intelligence relationship between Britain and America is unique and precious. It is critical to our shared efforts to counter terrorism.”

    Westmacott adds that “gratuitously damaging it by peddling falsehoods and then doing nothing to set the record straight would be a gift to our enemies they could only dream of”.

    It is almost as though Trump were intentionally trying to harm relations.

  82. Phantom, I booked a few nights at the Ritz-Carlton @ Battery Park before my cruise. At that time of year they had some deals that made them a bit more reasonable. We’ll arrive on a Wednesday, then have Thursday and Friday in NYC to tool around then get on the ship at Red Hook. Sat 21 Oct.

    Jude, You have inspired me! I hope you’re having a good time.

  83. Charles

    If you are interested, I’d like to meet up and I am sure that other locals would as well.

    I’ve been in that Ritz Carlton building for lunches and things. As is the case with all Ritz Carltons, it’s really nice.

    That is a good time of year to be in New York, and you are in a pleasant location, close to attractive walking paths by Battery Park City and the Hudson.

  84. That would be great Phantom. Maybe we could meet at the Ritz for lunch or dinner at their restaurant “2 West.” My treat (depending on how many show up that is!) 😉
    That would be on a Thursday or a Friday.

    I chose the Ritz because of it’s great location overlooking the Statue of Liberty and as you say all that walking down by Wall St and Freedom Tower. I’m getting too old to fool around with a cheap hotel. Also it not too far from Red Hook via I425 I think it was.

  85. You will be close to the Battery Tunnel that connects Manhattan to Brooklyn. And the Brooklyn side of the tunnel is in Red Hook! We’re talking a 15 minute cab ride.

    This is what the area by the water near you will look like. Some of it is so leafy it is almost like you’re not in the city at all.

    https://images.contentful.com/ypfe9l9zihcg/1pCAkBXKNaM8MwKiqYKaIy/5e34e352959d1fcd8e219500e92a0b98/battery_park_city_around_the_block_what_to_expect_1.jpg

    http://assets1.eekarchitects.com/system/gallery_image/data/original/708.JPG?1252939359

  86. Wow that’s awesome Charles you’re all set.
    Me I’m happy as Larry wondering round exploring this great city. Ellis island is a must do . You pick up all the strands of how new york came to be .. immigration transport settlement all the whys and wherefores.
    Visiting the water memorials at ground zero was emotional in particular touching the letters of the names of the 1st responders imprinted as they are around the basin waterfalls.

  87. Phantom, Battery Park should look lovely in October with the leaves changing. New York in the spring or fall is my favorite. Summer can really be hot though.

    Jude, I’m so excited that your trip has gone so well. I should be so lucky!

    It’s all set then, The ATW Fall Summit At the Ritz! Can’t wait!

  88. I’m just having a virtual look around Brooklyn now Phantom.

    One of the things that I have always found astoundingly beautiful was the typical nineteenth century two and three story New York housing. I see Brooklyn has an abundance of them:

    https://ephemeralnewyork.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/agatecourt.jpg

  89. Ok so now Trump is NUTZ….. lol

    The guy is an original member the LCR club (lewd, crude, and rude). He doesn’t fit the mold of a politician, nor should he. That’s why he was elected.

    He’s approaching the job different than anyone in our lifetime, and if the nation is going to survive he may be exactly what we need.

    His Budget cuts the entire govt 15-20%. That is what THE PEOPLE want. There is not one thing he has done since becoming President that has not been sound.

    You are watching the side show not the real show.

    You need to check what you use to judge reality, because it’s not anything that counts.

  90. Paul

    Yes.

    The brick buildings you linked to are common, and also there are very many two or three level brownstones.

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-BQnB8gWM_MU/U2GosbzIURI/AAAAAAAESHg/mOexfgmRRU8/s1600/DSC_0331.JPG

    In some areas these lovely buildings go on for block after leafy block.

  91. THE PEOPLE wanted Clinton.

  92. Incredibly beautiful dwellings.

    I also assume that as they’re still in use today they were built to last.

  93. no they didn’t…. she lost get over it….

    and she lost because of her own faults and corruption.

    You say the people wanted her because by winning the five largest cities in the country she got the popular vote. The problem with that is that is NOT how the American Presidential Election System Works…..

    Not knowing and understanding how and why things work in your own country is a disgrace yet you brag about your ignorance.

    That’s just sad…..

  94. The buildings erected in that era ( 1870 – 1920? ) are incredibly well built, with really thick walls.

    They have high ceilings compared with modern houses.

    They should be as structurally sound 300 years from now as on the day they were built.

    Some of the townhouses by St Stephen’s Green in Dublin remind me of these in their sheer solidness, strength.

  95. sorry Phantom I didn’t realize it was Paul who said that not you….

    Paul you’re just an ignorant foreigner who can’t even tell the difference between a soldier and a terrorist.

    Your opinion on our country means nothing.

  96. oh and as nice as it is, this is not a travel thread…. start one yourself.