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Brooklyn Beer Summit

By Phantom On March 21st, 2017

Jude and I had a beer and lamb summit at Avlee, a Greek joint on Smith Street in Carroll Gardens today!

Jude it was a pleasure meeting you, and I hope you come our way again

93 Responses to “Brooklyn Beer Summit”

  1. ahhh so you can post your own thread….. gee now was that so hard?

  2. The point is I get called a dick after letting you ramble for 100 comments.

    I said thank you for everyones comments on the Front Page of the post and shut it down. No attack on you, no attack on anyone. Yet I get attacked by Charles.

    Why?

    If you want your own damn post put it up. Was it really that hard, but I’m the dick…. screw you both.

    Goodnight.

  3. Don’t worry about a thing; and please don’t anybody else take the bait.

    It’s a happy beer summit day, warmer weather is well on the way, the snow is melting, I got a good parking spot, it’s all good.

  4. It;s all good

  5. I started with a bottle of Keo ( Cyprus ) beer which was a bit skunky, switched to Brooklyn lager, which was its usual good self.

  6. Hi all

    I’m back. Lured back in by that fine photo of 2 ATW stalwarts above. I was indisposed for a few weeks but need to get back in to this tangled web to cast my pearls of wisdom. Glad you both had a good time Phantom and Jude, Cheers.

  7. You can get Brooklyn lager here now too, and yes it’s very good. Looks like a nice spot you’re in, although I’m not sure about drinking beer from a jam jar! 😆

    Jude — Does it say “Irish and irresistible” on your shirt?!

  8. It does Petr. Had that T-shirt since 1998 when working in Auckland. Gets whipped out every st.pats week . Good occasion last night . Phantom and myself enjoyed a fine Greek menu, in a place local to us both. We had a hearty chat about family politics and ATW. Said I could come to London no problem and extended an invite to Queens in Brighton.
    That’s a hotel which has gym pool and a sauna in case anyone is wondering 😉
    Cheers Colm glad you’re back.
    Woke to the news of the death of MMG
    Most of the tributes have been warm and heart-felt. No doubt about his leadership qualities.

  9. Best wishes to you both! Hope the beer was good!!

  10. Hi Phantom. You look exactly like i imagined you do.

    Glad you both had a good time.

  11. I love a place that serves it’s drinks in mason jars.

    Jude I’m envious of your white hair.

    Colm welcome back you’ve been sorely missed.

  12. Glad you both had a great meal and chinwag although I’d be very suspicious of any place that sold drinks in jam jars.

  13. I am shocked Phantom put his own picture up….. and hasn’t said anything to Jude about using his real name in the other posts.

    After all the boogyman will see you……

    I do hope when you have your next summit that you also post pictures it is nice to have a mental image when discussing things with others.

  14. “Help Wanted” – Is this a caption contest 🙂

    Oh, and pretty sure Phantom has been pictured in previous Meet ups.

  15. (Psychological) help wanted?

  16. Sounds like fun.

    Why did you not go to that pub/restaurant you linked to a few days ago, Phantom?
    That looked like my kind of place.

  17. We went to both restaurants.

    Avlee, at which the above photo was taken https://www.yelp.com/biz/avlee-greek-kitchen-brooklyn-3

    And this past Sunday night, a quite impromptu meet at the wonderful Fort Defiance. Where we enjoyed great locally brewed Flagship ( brewed on Staten Island ) IPA, good food, good service, and an old time band playing by the entrance.

    I will definitely be going back to Fort Defiance, soon. Going there is like wearing your most comfortable shoes in the company of some of your best friends.

  18. Troll
    Thank you for the compliment
    White hair red face and freckles
    Means only one thing:
    Irish through and through 🙂

    Have tried a beard several times
    Can’t get over the itch and scratch.
    Heard you can prep it by using beard softeners
    How did you manage ?

  19. I misspoke on my 1217

    The beer we drank at Fort Defiance was Flagship, from a small brewery on Staten Island. I have edited that comment.

    There are good small breweries all over the US now.

  20. It was pokey stuff Tom
    But went down the hatch without a scratch.
    In UK we have gut rot kronenberg
    Or wife beater Stella Artois.
    So need to make good beer choices .
    We have a brewery in Lewes

    You just can’t go wrong with Harveys

  21. https://www.harveys.org.uk/

  22. Well, what a surprise – you both look more handsome than I imagined (Phantom, you look great).

    And you both look tough as nails, I might add.

    Put on a uniform and the girls will be falling at your feet. (not me, but other girls 🙂 )

  23. Cheers, Patty!

    You need to come to the next far flung summit.

  24. Thanks for asking me.

    I think it might be hard for me to set aside the acrimony that has been expressed on these erudite pages, (you can understand that, no?) but then again, that’s what “character” is for – so, perhaps “yes”, depending on location.

  25. I am a big believer in ” in person ” meetings, in business or anything else.

    The actual person that one may meet is often very different than the persona that writes on a computer to another persona.

  26. Or wife beater Stella Artois.

    Hey that’s my favorite beer!

  27. And Troll, sorry I went off the other day. I got some bad news in the mail and it was kick the Troll time.

    My apologies sir!

  28. The actual person that one may meet is often very different than the persona that writes on a computer to another persona.

    If you act like an asshole under anonymity or not on a ‘computer’, then you’re an asshole. Being pleasent when meeting in person, does not change fact.

  29. Yes, that is true.

    But..there can be a sharpness / binary quality, an I’m right/you’re wrong approach that is almost intrinsic to written communication that is not necessarily there when you speak to someone in person.

  30. You’ll be pleased to know, (I hope), that I act the same in person, as I do on here.

  31. I am proud to say I am the same drippy idiot in person as I am on ATW 😉

  32. Can you imagine if all peace talks / business negotiations were done on websites?

    Very little would get done.

    When I’m trying to teach someone to negotiate better, I will often say ” go out and meet the person ” that they’re negotiating with.

  33. If you act like an asshole under anonymity or not on a ‘computer’, then you’re an asshole. Being pleasant when meeting in person, does not change fact.

    It’s also fairly cowardly.

    I’m the same cantankerous, antagonistic smart arse in reality as I am here.

  34. you imagine if all peace talks / business negotiations were done on websites
    Very little would get done.

    Not sure what you mean by websites, but if you mean over the web i have to say, the last company I worked for evolved over the 18 years I work for it, into doing almost all of its business meetings over web. It had to because the offices were located all around the UK and the rest of the world. We had no problem conducting meetings this way, and plenty got done. Just as it does in the thousands of other companies that conduct business this way.

    When I’m trying to teach someone to negotiate better, I will often say ” go out and meet the person ” that they’re negotiating with.

    I do agree though that sometimes a face-to-face meeting is better. But in this day and age it’s impossible for large, disparate corporations to operate this way.

  35. Colm

    I am proud to say I am the same drippy idiot in person as I am on ATW 😉

    Paul

    I’m the same cantankerous, antagonistic smart arse in reality as I am here.

    I think I’d like you to guys if I met you in person.

  36. I agree with Phantom. There is so much that is lost when communicating by computer. Often, one’s personality doesn’t come through. Also tone of voice, facial expression, even the sense of smell, or visually seeing how someone is dressed is lacking.

  37. Dave

    I am actually a 96 Year old woman 😱

    No but seriously, people can adopt different personas when commenting on blogs which is very different than being in person or even talking via webcam links . On ATW we really are just a collection of words on a screen . Seeing each other either on.inebor in the flesh will change to differing degrees how we behave and relate to each other.

  38. There’s a reason why, in the age of incredibly great internet connections and cost controls, why businesses and governments still spend lots of money so that people can meet face to face.

  39. I’m actually a pro-Israeli Loyalist Trump supporter in real life 😊

  40. And Troll is your Pacifist liberal Democrat anti gun pro-Palestinian non gender specific partner 😋

  41. You’ve seen the photos then? 😉

  42. Charles

    I agree with Phantom. There is so much that is lost when communicating by computer. Often, one’s personality doesn’t come through. Also tone of voice, facial expression, even the sense of smell, or visually seeing how someone is dressed is lacking.

    We used webcams for all our meetings so we could see the other person face-to-face, take note of their facial expressions, and see how they were dressed. Not being able to smell their farts and BO, was a bonus in my book.

  43. Conference room to conference room video conferencing can be of such high video and sound quality now that you’d think that you’re in the same room as the the people in the other city.

    The camera will automatically pick up the image of the person who is speaking etc.

    But it never took off the way I thought it would though. In my industry, it’s not commonly used. I know very many who use skype, facetime, google hangouts for video personal calls, but business, not so much.

  44. Fact is, the majority of meetings conducted by most businesses are now done using web conferencing. This is especially true for larger tech companies such as Google, Apple, Microsoft and the like. Agreed this move is happening slower than many expected but it is happening. And with new technologies such as augmented reality, these kind of virtual meetings are going to become more common, not less.

  45. True Dave. I have at least 2 global web meetings a day…we use zoom for many of them but also Skype and another system. There are 20-30 people at these meetings AKA huddles from around the world. We also get to meet people face to face of course but for those that are, say, in AsiaPac, it’s only once or twice a year. Some just zoom in from their desks and others in groups. It’s great….and the no smells is a big benefit.

  46. I’ll try to smell good why I come to NYC in October! NYC is a good example. You can see all the pictures and video you want, but until you’re immersed in Gotham, you can’t really experience it.

  47. charlesintexas, on March 21st, 2017 at 4:34 PM Said:
    And Troll, sorry I went off the other day. I got some bad news in the mail and it was kick the Troll time.
    My apologies sir!

    Thank you and excepted.

  48. Look I’m a piece of work to begin with, My job for the majority of my 16yrs in the airline business was professional ball breaker. I was the person that fixed problems between the Union and Management I was only one of 3 managers in the country that worked their way from the union to management.

    I tried never to use e-mail at work to put it as my ceo put it I could send out an award letter and it would read like it was written with a poison pen.

  49. Philly is a rigged town one of the oldest seats of power in north America. It has been home to the greatest political minds in history.

    Also some of the stupidest, I give you District Attorney Seth Williams
    just another corrupt philly democrat….. or a profile in stupidity.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/03/21/philadelphia-district-attorney-indicted-bribery-corruption-charges/99467438/

  50. Oh my.

    http://nypost.com/2017/03/21/the-dark-past-of-chuck-berrys-scandal-filled-sex-life/

  51. question…..

    anyone been watching the china sea and the Korean peninsula ?

    The chicoms flexed their muscle by moving their midrange missiles into range to strike targets in Taiwan, and the little mad man with the soup bowl haircut has not only openly threatened Japan but just had a long range missile blow up on the pad.

    While we piss and moan about minutia our Asian brethren are all getting ready to shoot one another.

  52. Chuck was an ole pervert, no question,,,,,,,, but wrong thread 😉

    can we play nice today, in case you haven’t picked up on it I’m not in the best of spaces and I do apologize for my even more than usual bluntness. I’m in a lot of pain and I have cut my meds to half. There is an adjustment period.

    I refuse to live my life through chemistry, the alternative is exercise and nutrition, but going from one to the other is a slow painful process. Not making excuses just sharing.

  53. The South China Sea and North Pacific are both very bad situations.

    China is an aggressor in the first, and has been useless in the second.

  54. While we piss and moan about minutia

    Your president can do something about that.

    Put down the childish twitter, stand up and act like a president some of the time.

    There has been a long series of unforced errors.

  55. in the last 10 days those two arenas have just lit up

  56. I ” get ” why China has created the South China Sea crisis – that is all about imperial greed.

    I do not get why North Korea starves and torments its population the way it does.

    The Koreans are intelligent hard working people. All of Korea should be rich the way that the capitalist south now is.

  57. The ruling family at it’s core is insane and has maintained control through assassination of any and all opposition for three generations.

    and only the Chinese can remove them from power

  58. The Chinese are afraid of that regime

    And to some extent it likes them there, as it is an ongoing headache to Japan and the US.

  59. agreed on both points.

    Sooner or lator though it will be the Chinese that has to solve it. When they do the Chinese will have actually joined the ranks of real super power by finally acting as situation resolver. Something they have yet to show, but are on their way to.

  60. mairin2

    Dave. I have at least 2 global web meetings a day…we use zoom for many of them but also Skype and another system. There are 20-30 people at these meetings AKA huddles from around the world. We also get to meet people face to face of course but for those that are, say, in AsiaPac, it’s only once or twice a year. Some just zoom in from their desks and others in groups. It’s great….and the no smells is a big benefit.

    I’ve used the same systems for meetings as well Mairin. At times we’ve had meetings involving several offices around the world, sometimes involving 50 to 100 people. These kind of meetings would be logistically difficult and extremely costly to do in person. Like yourself, I find the speed and ease with which you can organise these face to face, (albeit over the Internet), meetings a big benefit.
    A few months ago, I had the unusual experience of trying a full VR headset for a video conferencing meeting. I have to say this took some getting used to.

  61. who remembers the gong show

    http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/chuck-barris-dead-dies-gong-show-host-1202013790/

  62. Talking about the Soth China Seas on a Brooklyn Beer Summit thread?

    Phantom will be closing comments.

  63. Paul McMahon

    Talking about the Soth China Seas on a Brooklyn Beer Summit thread?
    Phantom will be closing comments.

    Nah. Phantom’s not petty like that. He’s happy to let the discussion evolve. ,😀

  64. The Chinese have been kicking the Korean can down the road for years, as the US government has been kicking the health care can down the road, instead of seeking to solve the problem.

  65. Dave, mairin

    I am interested that you use these systems, which are not new.

    But maybe my part of the financial services industry is old fashioned, since I just don’t hear about us doing videoconferencing much.

    And even when we seek to do a video meeting with a client ( chemicals, retail ) with overseas ( London, Bermuda ) it is such a pain in the ass that it tends not to get done.

    A conference room to conference room video conference that may only happen once a year may require exchange of technical data before, forms to be filled out, it winds up not happening.

    I know a French insurance company that had skype at each work phone, but they wound up getting rid of the system and they now have normal voice phones.

  66. Hi Phantom.

    I think when it comes to technology based meetings, such as video conferencing telephone based conference calls, etc. there is a big difference between newer and older Technologies. As you pointed out many companies, especially older non tech companies tend to struggle with this new tech. My years spent working for companies at the cutting face of IT technology, meant I was exposed to the latest kit, and people who had a great deal of experience with this technology.
    In a borderless business world, when large corporations often have offices spread all over the planet kind of technology is a must have.
    I agree though, unless you have people experienced with this kind of tech it can be a real pain in the ass to get working and keep working successfully.

  67. I used speech recognition on my tablet, while doing carpentry, for this text and the above post so please excuse any b******* that slips through the net.

  68. After years of being awful, speech recognition is now really good. Very huge improvement in the past couple of years.

    You sure need to edit it still.

    But without it, I wouldn’t want to use small phones for any significant typing. The screens and keys are way too small.

    Lots of otherwise smart people don’t seem to know how speech recognition works, or they think that it’s hard to use. Which it totally isn’t. You can teach anyone how to use it in one minute.

  69. Troll, thank you for accepting my apology. I’ve felt badly about the incident. As you know, I am a Southern gentleman!

  70. http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/southern_gentlreman_spencer_django_8158.jpg

    Charles above

  71. Phantom,

    Totally agree with what you said about about speech recognition software. I use the Google speech recognition on my Google Nexus tablet which actually goes back to Google servers to use their very powerful recognition software. It’s not perfect, but it’s very good. I love the way it will go back and correct itself when it realises the sentence doesn’t make sense.

  72. We’ve had hundreds of people’s on web meetings too, maybe even thousands when the CEO or president is conducting the meeting. The ones I have daily are smaller because they’re for the two teams I work with. They’re scheduled in our calendars so we just click the link and we’re in in a matter of seconds no matter where we are…traveling, home, work, another office, etc. Our AAs set up the meetings but it’s pretty easy to do.

  73. O/T

    Westminster sealed off, cop stabbed and suspect shot:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-england-london-39324960

  74. Paul, the news has just hit us in Texas. The usual suspects?

  75. It’s possible.

  76. One dead.

  77. I know you are Charles, no hard feelings I hope the issues in your letter work out.

  78. they are saying “Asian man” and calling it a terror incident until any other motivation is discovered.

    Ran over a dozen people on the bridge a stabbed to death police officer and a dead assailant.

  79. Ah, the old Asian

    Doubt it’s one of my Chinese or Japanese

  80. I understand a woman hit by a car on Wesminster bridge and a cop who was stabbed are now dead. The only source referring to Asian is the Daily Mail but it’s ‘Asian’ in inverted commas so we better ask the Trump administration what it means.

  81. Oh we all know what it means.

    Whether its true is to be determined.

  82. Whether its true is to be determined

    Well, it is the Daily Lie Mail?

    Why would the put the word ‘Asian’ in inverted commas?

  83. It is kind of a code word at this point.

    Most Asians are Chinese / Japanese / Koreans / Vietnamese / Hindus who are cut from a different cloth than this guy

  84. Further O/T

    I’m sure some here will be delighted to know that Bill Clinton is to attend Martin McGuinnesses funeral in Derry tomorrow 🙂

  85. No code needed Phantom.

    https://order-order.com/2017/03/22/first-photo-of-attacker/

  86. This is how they repay your hospitality for taking them in.

  87. Ironic that the ‘first photo of the attacker’ of Wesminster is published on a blog named after Guy Fawkes

    ‘the only man to enter parliament with honest intentions’?

  88. Wasnt Guy Fawkes a religious zealot with a beard too?

  89. If it’s of any small consolation to the lefties on ATW, if you look at the image closely, the attacker does appear to have a white skinned right lower leg.

  90. Well, as the writer of Guido Fawkes is the child of immigrants, an Irish mother and an ‘Asian’ father, perhaps they’re brothers?

  91. bullseye Paul

  92. Jude

    Are you back in sunny Englande?

  93. Jude, weren’t you in New York at this time?

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39363465

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