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REJOICE…

By David Vance On April 18th, 2017

31 Responses to “REJOICE…”

  1. Are you going to throw your hat in the ring David?

  2. that would be nice 😉

  3. DV –

    A note of caution. While it will be fun to see Labour annihilated, a thumping Tory majority might increase the chance of the PM lumbering us with a bad deal.

    As the Commons stands, the government would get a clean Brexit deal through. Most Tory MPs would vote for it, and a few Labour and DUP MPs would offset Tory Remain rebels.

    A new and large Tory majority would be full of new MPs who won’t rebel. The PM can bring back a bad deal, an all-but-in-the-EU deal, and it will be voted through.

  4. Stand by, incoming …

    The first results of the 8th June General Election are in. Labour has retained Tower Hamlets, Luton, Leicester and Bradford. Turnout was 178 per cent.

  5. Lol! 🙂

  6. sounds like the turnout in Detroit, Chicago, Philly etc etc

  7. Pete Moore, on April 18th, 2017 at 8:06 PM Said:

    Stand by, incoming …

    The first results of the 8th June General Election are in. Labour has retained Tower Hamlets, Luton, Leicester and Bradford. Turnout was 178 per cent.

    The Troll, on April 18th, 2017 at 8:10 PM Said:

    sounds like the turnout in Detroit, Chicago, Philly etc etc

    There’s a certain connection

  8. A few points

    1. The Conservative lead will drop during the campaign. May will have to outline the type of brexit she is going for and not all conservative voters / MPs support a hard brexit.

    2. The election will be fought on the old boundaries. These have an inbuilt bias towards Labour. That will take another few % of the Tory lead.

    3. The election fraud investigations have not gone away. Channel 4 News is reporting tonight that 30 prosecutions are imminent. This could involve MPs /candidates which would be disastrous during an election campaign.

    4.The Liberal Democrats are poised to retake the seats they lost to the Tories in 2015.

    5.A huge lead in the polls is good but meaningless under first part the post if the votes are piling up in the wrong constituencies.

    So yes, Theresa May does look like she will win a majority but it will not be anywhere as big as people think.

    She might still fall on her face.

  9. Declan –

    Be cool, it’s only Brexit.

    1) The Tory lead will increase when Corbyn, Abbott and McDonnell start talking and every billboard in the land reminds the country that two of them are pro-terror.

    2) The election will be fought on the current boundaries.

    3) The expenses investigation involves Labour MPs too.

    4) The LibDems will not take seats from the Tories.

    5) Theresa May is more popular with Labour voters than is Corbyn. Labour will be annihilated, the LibdDems will remain an irrelevence. Oh, and this might become a thing –

    blockquote>@cathynewman

    For fourth time @timfarron struggled to give me a clear answer on if it’s true he believes homosexuality is sinful #C4News #GeneralElection

    It would be highly damaging for the LibDems if it became known that Tim Farron is pro-life and believes that homosexuality is sinful.

  10. She’s the consummate politician: a natural opportunist and a casual liar.

  11. Noel

    For the benefit of us foreigners, can you tell us what brings you to say that.

  12. http://www.phillymag.com/news/2016/11/10/philly-voter-turnout-trump-clinton/

    Troll

    Wrong again, in your own home town no less

    The 2016 election turnout in Philadelphia was 64% of registered voters. Not ” 178% “

  13. thats why she lost. She couldn’t even deliver the dead….. I mean the Union…

  14. Be careful of what you wish for.

  15. //For the benefit of us foreigners, can you tell us what brings you to say that.//

    Phantom,

    She was against Brexit, then – as soon as the referendum result came in, she was strongly in favour of Brexit. What’s more, she immediately began to present herself as Brexit’s champion, waxing grandious about regaining British independence and a historical mission – apparently forgetting that she’d been against this “British independence” all along.

    She said there would be no early election, her spokesman said this as late as last week. Then in a Trump-like turnaround she announces there will be a VERY early election after all.

    She says this is good for the country; when we all know it is good only for her party. The country doesn’t want a new election. But the deadline for Brexit is March 2019, which would be right in the middle of campaign time for the next scheduled general election. Her party would then be open to criticism for making compromises with Brussels and/or not getting a good deal, and would suffer at the polls. She wants to avoid all that.

    She blamed the need for an immediate election on the opposition in parliament “trying to stop us every step of the way” and accusing them of trying to block Brexit. In fact, she has been facing an extremely compliant parliament since the referendum. Even Labour ordered its members to support Brexit after last June. And again now, in order not to look scared, Labour has welcomed the early election. May knows that her charge of Labour “opposition” is a lie; it’s just an excuse to cover her calling an election for selfish interests.

    She’s now also claiming that the UK is “uniting” around Brexit. She knows that that’s untrue. The country remains divied on the issue.

    Basically, by claiming she needs a new election, she is now indirectly admitting she has no mandate for a hard Brexit. She accuses the opposition of political game-playing, when in fact the opposition is useless and has provided absolutely no “opposition” at all on these issues. May is the one most guilty of political game-playing.

    She is in short little more than a British Trump – with better articulation but far less humour and charm.

  16. Totally off Topic

    Has anyone heard from Pinky?

    does anyone know how to contact her? to see if she is Ok

  17. Noel, Good analysis
    I would however add that the old-fashioned Tory/Labour battle plays a large part.
    She want to finish them off and she will. Looks Good on her record.

  18. She was against Brexit, then – as soon as the referendum result came in, she was strongly in favour of Brexit. What’s more, she immediately began to present herself as Brexit’s champion, waxing grandious about regaining British independence and a historical mission – apparently forgetting that she’d been against this “British independence” all along.

    That’s slick.

    Reminds me of how the infamous boxing promoter accompanied George Foreman to the ” Rumble in the Jungle ” against Muhammad Ali, then moved to Ali’s corner as Ali won the bout!

    Ride that bandwagon!!

  19. infamous boxing promoter Don King

  20. loved his hair though…..

  21. I saw him once in the Bull and Bear bar at the Waldorf in NYC. He was the kind of guy that wanted to be recognized by all. So I looked past him with disrespect like he was the biggest piece of trash in the world.

    Bad guy, cheat, murderer ( stomped a man to death in Cleveland ). Never understood why people would associate with him.

    http://i2.cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/161229074045-donald-trump-don-king-super-tease.jpg

    http://www.haaretz.com/polopoly_fs/1.744632!/image/459042345.jpg_gen/derivatives/headline_609x343/459042345.jpg

  22. I was almost going to post something on the suicide of Aaron Hernandez. ( ex Patriot, convicted of murder, probably committed other murders )

    That headline shocked me though it should not have. What a waste of a life. Feel bad for his child.

  23. She was against Brexit, then – as soon as the referendum result came in, she was strongly in favour of Brexit. What’s more, she immediately began to present herself as Brexit’s champion, waxing grandious about regaining British independence and a historical mission – apparently forgetting that she’d been against this “British independence” all along.

    Not quite correct. May was a brief and reluctant Remainer. Instinctively she was for Brexit and dabbled in hinting that she would campaign for it. Then during the EU Referendum campaign she made one weak-ish Remain speech then disappeared for six weeks. I suspect that Cameron leaned heavily on her to support the government line.

  24. May was Home Secretary during the campaign and could easily have made use of her position to talk about the benefits of Brexit in terms of immigration. But she never mentioned immigration.

    Instead, she continued to say that Britain would be better off as part of the EU. She warned that a Brexit would seriously damage the economy, security, and even continuance of the United Kingdom. She said that a departure from the EU would oblige Brussels to impose high tariffs against British exports, and specifically warned that Brexit would be fatal for the Union with Scotland.

    As regards security, she also declared: “My judgement, as Home Secretary, is that remaining a member of the European Union means we will be more secure from crime and terrorism”.

    I’ve no problem with Brexiters then or now, and no problem with anyone changing his or her mind on the issue. But putting yourself forward as the champion of Brexit when, during the campaign, you’d been making only statements explaining how the idea stinks is a bit rich even for a British politician.

  25. Noel –

    “She warned that a Brexit would seriously damage the economy, security, and even continuance of the United Kingdom.”

    Not true. Look, Theresa May gave one highly circumscribed speech, which was critical of the EU, and then disappeared until after 23rd June. It included this section (my emphasis):

    http://www.conservativehome.com/parliament/2016/04/theresa-mays-speech-on-brexit-full-text.html

    But before I do that, I want to deal with several arguments that should not count. The first is that, in the twenty-first century, Britain is too small a country to cope outside the European Union. That is nonsense.

    We are the fifth biggest economy in the world, we are growing faster than any economy in the G7, and we attract nearly a fifth of all foreign investment in the EU. We have a military capable of projecting its power around the world, intelligence services that are second to none, and friendships and alliances that go far beyond Europe.

    We have the greatest soft power in the world, we sit in exactly the right time zone for global trade, and our language is the world’s language. Of course Britain could cope outside the European Union. But the question is not whether we could survive without the EU, but whether we are better off, in or out.

    The speech was very much in this vein. Nowhere near effusive for the EU and not at all disparaging of the UK’s prospects outside of it. The idea that the PM was a 100% charger for Remain is simply not true.

  26. Government motion to call for an election passes in Commons by 522 to 13.

  27. Pete, you are back in propaganda mode, highlighting some things (none of which is anti-EU) she said in the introduction to her speech and ignoring the speech as a whole, which was strongly in support of Remain. She stated quite clearly that Britain is better off remaining in the EU in terms of security and the economy.

    Here it it (the core of the speech starts around 9:45)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlI48PE0gOU

    Her remarks on the third advantage of continuing EU membership, the stability of the UK, were made elsewhere.

  28. She’s the consummate politician: a natural opportunist and a casual liar.

    Yes Noel. Her claim that she only came to this decision during her Easter walk in the hills of Wales is truly insulting, as is her refusal to take part in any TV debates, but the usual suspects will lap it up.

    But watch them turn on her when she starts to cut deals over the terms of Brexit. Dacre has the attack dogs of his hate rag on the leash for now, but the threat will be constant. The difference between Labour PMs and Tory PMs is that the former know they will be monstered by the Daily Mail from the day they win the election, whereas the latter know that the day will inevitably arrive. It happened to Major, it happened to Cameron and it will happen to May.

  29. Yes Noel. Her claim that she only came to this decision during her Easter walk in the hills of Wales is truly insulting, as is her refusal to take part in any TV debates, but the usual suspects will lap it up.

    I would tend to be suspicious of anyone who took a “holiday” walking in the hills of Wales.

    As for Corbyn, I don’t think he even realises there exists any human life outside London.

  30. Peter.

    All arguments, and differences aside, can you imagine the likes of Steptoe Corbyn, Abbot the racist bigot, and David “as thick as two short planks” Lammy, in charge of our everyday lives?.

    Just the very thought, makes one shudder.

  31. Harri

    I agree that Labour deserves a hammering and will get one. But from the ashes of 1983, the party gradually recovered to win by a landslide in 1997, just as the Tories recovered from the ashes of 1997 to get back into government (in coalition) in 2010 and win the election in 2015.

    You can never write off political parties as long as we have first past the post as a voting system. It’s quite possible that the Lib Dems will win a greater share of the vote than Labour in seven weeks but win 40 seats to Labour’s 150. And that the Scot Nats will win 95% of the seats in Scotland on 55% of the vote. It’s not democracy.

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