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Collusion Delusion……

By The Troll On July 15th, 2017

The number one Symptom of Trump Derangement Syndrome is Collusion Delusion.  A viscous viral disease spread through contact with those already infected with the mental disease of Liberalism.  Lets look at “Collusion” the word that sends the left into seizures.

Collusion is not a federal crime (except in the unique case of antitrust law), so we should all just stop using “collusion” as a short-hand for criminality. But that doesn’t mean that the alleged cooperation between the Trump campaign and Russia is of no criminal interest. To the contrary, if true, it may have violated any number of criminal prohibitions.

For example, if Donald Trump Jr. sought “dirt” on Hillary Clinton from the Russians, he might be charged with conspiring to violate the election laws of the United States, which prohibit foreign nationals from contributing any “thing of value” to an electoral campaign. The opposition dirt is at least plausibly a thing of value. And to the extent that the Trump campaign aided, abetted or advised the Russians (or any other hackers) about what would be most useful to steal from the Democrats or how best to enhance the impact of their release, they may well have violated the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act.

Hmm so collusion is NOT a crime. The Government has been investigating Donald J Trump and everyone associated with his Campaign since May 2016. 6 months before he was even elected up to now 7 months after he has been elected, so what other Laws or Statutes have this year long investigation revealed?  So far Not a Single Crime.

There is a Term that applies to investigations when NO CRIME has initiated the investigation. It’s called a “Fishing Expedition”.

So what is the basis of all this Hubbub?

During the Election Hillary Clinton committed a Felony, she was issued a Subpoena for her Illegal Server and ALL her E-Mails. Her response was to delete 33,000 e-mails, and have her Server Drives Permanently Wiped  Clean of ALL Data. Now according to Loretta Lynch and everyone who voted for her plus the Press this was OK. The fact that it was a Felony is irrelevant.

The other half the country was outraged at this blatant double Standard of the Prosecution of the Law.  Donald Trump was one of those People, and when asked about what he thought about the 33,000 deleted e-mails his response was “Maybe we should ask the Russians for copies of them”. Seeing that it is known that 5 Foreign Entities breached the Security of Mrs. Clinton’s ILLEGAL Server one of them being the Russians, Trumps statement made good sense.

Now the Perfect Storm….. The Clinton Campaign commissioned a Dossier on Mr. Trump from a group called Fusion GPS. They hired a retired MI6 Agent who let his imagination run wild. One of the stories he made up was that Trump paid hookers to urinate on a bed that the Obama’s Slept in. Now all the things in this Dossier have been discredited, but before the Dossier was discredited the Clinton’s got the Dossier to Brennan and Comey and because the imaginary info in this Dossier painted such a picture of corruption both immediately began investigations into Trump. So while Trump was running for President he became the first Candidate in American history that had the FBI and the Intelligence Community keeping him and his campaign under surveillance, doing opposition research for the Clinton’s.

In the meantime while they were examining Trump the Russians were busy Hacking the DNC and the Clinton Campaign. The hacking managed to expose that both these groups were rigging their own Primary against Sanders, and feeding the Cooperating Press False Stories on Trump.

Well even with all the fixing of the Primary and False stories planted in the Press, and despite the fact that she is the smartest woman that ever lived Hillary Clinton still LOST.

The outrage and shock that her Highness lost was just to much…. this can not be, and on that note the DNC sent out it’s paid thugs to riot all over the country. After this initial venting of steam that caused millions of dollars of destruction finally settled down the script was rolled out.

She Lost because of the RUSSIANS and they were given aid by the Trump campaign…. and for the past 7 months that has been the narrative EVERYDAY!

Now after a year of investigation not one crime has been unearthed. There have been several “smoking guns” like this weeks revelation that Donny Jr met with a Russian Bimbo because he was told she had Dirt on Hillary.  Now this is not a crime, but by Gum that’s it Jr committed Treason and Daddy needs to RESIGN!…..

There have been at least a dozen of these Smoking Guns, everyone one of them has shot blanks, just as this one with Jr is also a blank.

Hillary Clinton LOST she lost because of “COLLUSION” between the Russians and the Trumps. That’s their Story and they’re sticking to it…..

Do me a favor…… wake me when you find ANY EVIDENCE.

130 Responses to “Collusion Delusion……”

  1. lmao , The PIRA used to play this game well
    All the dogs in the street , every agency knew they robbed the Northern Bank
    SF could simply parrot the line : where’s the evidence?
    not fooling anyone Troll
    the investigations will continue, is it 4 now or 5 ?
    might take a year, maybe two.

  2. Why are you continuously pushing this ‘crime’ angle? No one is suggesting it was criminal apart from you.

    No, the damage here is political not criminal. Trump Jr thought he was meeting the representative of a hostile foreign government to get damaging information on his father’s electoral rival thus putting his father’s electoral ambitions ahead of a hostile foreign power meddling in the US electoral process.

    Your criminality claim is merely blowing smoke.

  3. A neat summation there Troll. So far all I’m hearing is a bag full of hot air.

    Put up or shut up.

  4. Put up what?

    Trump Jr met what he believed to be a Russian government representative, and her ‘former’ Russian spook ‘translator’, who was going to give him info on an American politician and attempt to influence the American electorate.

  5. Put up your criminal charges. Put up your evidence. It’s obvious to any person with English as a native language.

    Put up or shut up.

  6. Dog

    The same could be said about the constant claims from the right that Hillary is a felon. There hasn’t even been any criminal investigations launched against her yet so put up or shut up could apply to her accusers too.

  7. Charles Krauthammer, a well known long conservative, correctly identified the matter in an article yesterday as collusion, even if it was a failed one.

  8. The DNC hacking thing has gone very quiet, and Hillary is bound-and-gagged in case she says something. Any chance of the Acronyms demanding, or even asking, to examine the Dems’ server?

    The corporate media have lost the one thing that sustained them – credibility. Below, Ann Coulter provides an excellent of example of their ingrained mendacity and explains why it’s over for them:

    https://www.amren.com/commentary/2017/07/henry-bello-immigrant-crime-media-bias-ann-coulter/

    Last Friday, Nigerian immigrant Henry Williams Obotetukudo, aka Henry Bello, opened fire with an AM-15 rifle at the Bronx-Lebanon Hospital, killing one doctor and injuring a half-dozen others. I would prefer to leap right in and offer my ideas for stopping these immigrant shooting rampages, but first I’ll have to tell you the facts the media won’t.

    The New York Times, still unaware there’s an internet, is trying to pass off the Nigerian as a Californian, the non-doctor as a doctor, and Mr. Obotetukudo as “Dr. Bello.”

    In the Times’ major biographical profile of Bello the next day, he was described as a “sharp dresser from California.” The only other reference to the shooter’s provenance came several paragraphs later: “Dr. Bello lived in California off and on from 1991 until 2006.”

    ABC News had reported on the day of the shooting that Bello was a “Nigerian national” — so the cat was already out of the bag, New York Times. Local New York station PIX11 also reported that he was a Nigerian. Even newspapers in Ohio knew that Bello was a Nigerian.

    But as we go to print, the Times still has not identified Bello as a Nigerian immigrant. It issued a “correction,” but only to clarify the exact street of a homeless shelter where Bello had lived. No correction to the “California” bit.

    This little nugget describes the mental, illness of ‘liberals’

    Liberals have a mystical idea that we can pluck people from the most discordant cultures, put them in middle-class houses in the suburbs and then, magically, primitive tribesmen will be imbued with the core beliefs of our republic and civilization, developed over centuries.

    Note to NYT – there’s an internet. The truth is half-way round the world before the ink on your lies is dried.

  9. If there’s a place where a ‘fishing expedition’ would have success and feed millions, here’s where the Acronyms should look:

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/politics/ct-peter-smith-death-met-0713-20170713-story.html

    A Republican donor and operative from Chicago’s North Shore who said he had tried to obtain Hillary Clinton’s missing emails from Russian hackers killed himself in a Minnesota hotel room days after talking to The Wall Street Journal about his efforts, public records show.

    In mid-May, in a room at a Rochester hotel used almost exclusively by Mayo Clinic patients and relatives, Peter W. Smith, 81, left a carefully prepared file of documents, including a statement police called a suicide note in which he said he was in ill health and a life insurance policy was expiring.

    In the note recovered by police, Smith apologized to authorities and said that “NO FOUL PLAY WHATSOEVER” was involved in his death. He wrote that he was taking his own life because of a “RECENT BAD TURN IN HEALTH SINCE JANUARY, 2017” and timing related “TO LIFE INSURANCE OF $5 MILLION EXPIRING.”

    Does life assurance pay out on suicides especially if the suicide victim states that it is why he’s doing it?

    According to California Congressman Ted Lieu, the suicide of GOP operative Peter Smith, who claims that he tried to obtain Hillary’s Clinton’s missing emails, “seems awfully suspicious”.

    https://twitter.com/tedlieu/status/885673369743609856?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.infowars.com%2Fcongressman-suicide-of-gop-operative-who-tried-to-obtain-hillary-emails-is-awfully-suspicious%2F

    Ted Lieu

    @tedlieu

    You don’t need to be a prosecutor to know that someone writing NO FOUL PLAY WHATSOEVER in connection with a death seems awfully suspicious.
    2:32 AM – 14 Jul 2017

    Somebody should tell Ted Lieu not to be such a ‘conspiracy theorist’, or else he’s next.

  10. Allan

    Pretty much any media that people have heard of is ” corporate ”

    Fox News, RT, and Turkish medical journals included

    If corporate media is a bad thing, then what media do you generally trust

    Aside from the neo-Nazis sites etc.

  11. There are some good journalists at Fox News, Chris Wallace and Shep Smith are among them

    Here, a moment of moral clarity from Shep Smith when speaking with Chris Wallace

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/07/14/lie-after-lie-after-lie-fox-news-shepard-smith-has-a-cronkite-moment-on-russia/?utm_term=.253a864eefb2#comments

  12. Put up your criminal charges. Put up your evidence. It’s obvious to any person with English as a native language

    It is indeed DIG:

    Why are you continuously pushing this ‘crime’ angle? No one is suggesting it was criminal apart from you.
    No, the damage here is political not criminal.

    Or at least it should be.

    The ‘crime’ is a contrived straw man attempting to deflect from the fact that Trunp Jr met what he thought was a representative of a hostile government trying to influence the POTUS election.

  13. There is 100% proof of attempted collusion, by how Trump Junior, Managort and by Jared Kushner

    There is 100% proof that the Trump administration and President Trump personally lied about this over an extended period of time

  14. So not a crime then.

    It may be news to some but Nixon actually went to a communist country and talked to several communists. Not once but more than once. That make him a commie?

    And he fought in multiple elections for public office.

    But that wasn’t a crime either.

    Nixon didn’t erase emails when specifically instructed not to.
    That action was a crime, but the perp was allowed a free pass. Which is of itself a crime.

    SEE it really isn’t hard to detect crime is it.

  15. Did Nixon meet what he thought was a representative of a hostile foreign government seeking to influence the American electorate in the POTUS election?

    Once again in case you missed it the first two times I posted it:

    No, the damage here is political not criminal.

    It seems the only people who are suggesting the criminal element are those trying to minimize Trump Jr’s actions.

  16. If anyone on the planet had evidence of Clinton evil doings then it is doing the American people a HUGE service. If that’s termed influencing then I think it’s fantastic and thete should be far more of it.

    The people deserve all the facts upfront.

    If in 1996 someone had proof the Tony B liar was a evil psychopath who would cause millions of deaths and had a crooked evil wife. Even if it came from Kim Wrong Un it would have been a good thing.

    Prosecute that Mr Attorney.

  17. Why do you keep arguing the criminal line when you’re only arguing with yourself?

    The damage here is political not criminal

    Got that?

    Trump Jr met what he thought was a representative of a hostile foreign government seeking to influence the American electorate in the POTUS election. He accepted the perceived interference of a hostile foreign power in the American electoral process to further the electoral ambitions of his father.

  18. Do you realise your supporting withholding the truth from the American public?
    Your demanding the right to be lied to?
    The right to rigidly enforced areas of doubt and uncertainty.

    The truth shall set you free.

  19. Nixon’s diplomatic talks with Russia and China were clearly in the scope of foreign relations and not an attempt to collude with hostile foreign goverment in influencing the outcome of our electoral process. Please bring your game up to at least a factual level.

  20. Trump Jnr attempted to collude with what he thought was an agent of a hostile foreign power in order to influence the US electoral process DIG.

    No amount of cryptic vague waffle is going to change that.

    Good luck with that Mahons.

  21. So no evidence of any wrongdoing.

    No information was passed on by the non governmental Russian person.
    In all its a tissue of empty nothing’s..

    Yeah that’ll be soo hard to get over

    Look there was an election ..you lost.

    Get over it already.

    Same for the remoaners.

  22. Russia is not hostile to Americans. The Warsaw Pact collapsed decades ago and hostilities ended. Any foreign power such as Israel which influences US elections is hostile but Russia isn’t one of them. The fishing expedition is a failure

  23. The Trumpsters are morally and factually confused

    They might think better if they followed a leader that thought better, but they worship the guy that brings us the 10 tweets instead of the 10 Commandments

  24. So no evidence of any wrongdoing.

    Meeting with a perceived Russian agent attempting to subvert American election process and then wilfully lying about and undermining the credibility your national intelligence service domestically and internationally isn’t wrongdoing?

    I imagine that most Americans have a lower threshold for wrongdoing than you obviously have.

  25. Russia is not hostile to Americans.

    The Americans, or a large proportion of them anyway, are simply suffering from Russophobia.

  26. Whatever enjoy yourself with your anti Trump fantasies.

  27. Whatever enjoy yourself with your anti Trump fantasies.

  28. As far as I know, Russian people have never been hostile to American people, or vice versa.

    The Russian government, however, has been highly aggressive towards friends of the United States, including Estonia, Georgia, and most importantly Ukraine

    I will make you Russia lovers a.deal – convince Putin to remove all Russian troops from all Ukrainian and Georgian territory, and I will personally squelch all this anti-Russian talk

  29. The Russian government, however, has been highly aggressive towards friends of the United States,

    So has Saudi Arabia, including towards America itself, but thy get a free pass.

  30. Correct

  31. Strong watertight argument as usual DIG.

  32. Phantom.

    When it comes to invading other countries, America make the Russians look like rank amateurs.

  33. You may not get too many Poles, Estonians Georgians or Ukrainians that agree with that assertion.

  34. Maybe so Phantom.

    Likewise with half the ME; to name but a few.

  35. No Paul. I don’t feel the need to support your delusions.

    Enjoy your big bag of nothing.

  36. Another one sticking their fingers in their ears and shouting ‘fake news’ ‘hogwash’ ‘delusions’ then.

    Tell it to Donny Jnr

    US President Donald Trump’s son has released an email chain showing he was keen to accept “sensitive” information on Hillary Clinton from a Russian national.

    Publicist Rob Goldstone tells Donald Trump Jr that there is information that is “part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr Trump”.
    Mr Trump Jr replies: “If it’s what you say, I love it.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40574564

  37. You got nothing.

  38. Here you are DIG:

    Meeting with a perceived Russian agent attempting to subvert American election process and then wilfully lying about and undermining the credibility your national intelligence service domestically and internationally isn’t wrongdoing?

    Keep spinning, it’s feeble.

  39. Oh do come on. It’s so feeble your joking aren’t you?
    He said she said. Could maybe.

    Yeah devastating.

    So a private citizen met another private citizen. Yeah convincing.. .

    I got this huge bridge to sell you.

    You got nothing.

    Enjoy your nothing.

  40. Zzzzzzzzzzzz.

  41. Paul

    You should know that it’s a waste of time arguing with the Trumpistas. Anything that might be bad news for their man is “Fake News!!” and as of now they are still fighting Russiagate in the trench called Fake News.

    But when the time comes to abandon that trench (as it will) they will simply fall back to the trench called So What. Because for them treason can only be committed by Democrats, not true patriots like their pussy-grabbing hero.

  42. Debate with the deliberately obtuse is folly Peter.

  43. Phantom, on July 15th, 2017 at 5:10 PM Said:

    The Russian government, however, has been highly aggressive towards friends of the United States, including Estonia, Georgia, and most importantly Ukraine

    These countries were released from the grip of the Soviet Union along with Russia – then they suddenly acquire a ‘friend’ in the US? These same countries border Russia and there are always disputes between neighbours. Imagine if the US bullied Mexico and took some of its territory – oops, I meant……

    OK, imagine the US creates a war with a declining European power using a ‘false flag’ op in Havana and – oops, I meant……invade Cuba, Philippines?

    OK – how about Gulf of Tonkin?

  44. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uL_ulVuxloc

    Published on 14 Jul 2017

    Fifty years ago the American naval ship the USS Liberty was brutally attacked by Israeli aircraft. The attack on the Liberty was one of the worst assaults ever carried out on a U.S. Naval vessel in peace time – and committed by an allied country. Since then, the survivors of this unprovoked attack have been seeking justice.

  45. These are not disputes among neighbors

    This is clumsy Russian imperialism, prompted by a Putin who wants those lands back

  46. Phantom – the record that US military has in attacking countries far beyond its borders is beyond dispute. Russia has squabbles with its neighbours and its neighbours only. Why does US military meddle in the affairs of Russia’s neighbours if not for reasons of making trouble? Don’t give me the ‘defending freedom’ nonsense – that doesn’t stand scrutiny following Iraq, Libya, Syria, and all previous mischief.

  47. It ill becomes Brits lecturing any other nationality on invasion and occupation of other countries far beyond its borders?

    None of this detracts from the fact however that Trump Jr met what he thought to be an agent of a hostile foreign power in an attempted subversion of the POTUS election.

  48. Allan

    If the Estonians and Poles ask us to stop our military relationships with them, I’ll be the first one to agree with you

    These nations endured a hard long imprisonment enforced by the likes of KGB thug Putin, and they deserve an equal voice to that of Russia

  49. Phantom – Russians endured the hard, long imprisonment more than any other country under the hell of the Soviet Union.

  50. hell should read ‘heel’, but ‘hell’ would be correct too.

  51. Yes but they basically ran the joint too

  52. Paul McMahon, on July 15th, 2017 at 11:27 PM Said:

    It ill becomes Brits lecturing any other nationality on invasion and occupation of other countries far beyond its borders?

    I’m sure that I’ve shown several times at ATW exactly(((who))) the British Army fought for when establishing the Empire. (((Who))) wanted the wealth of the Transvaal, (((who))) imposed opium on China, (((whose))) mercantilism gained from control of India? It’s simply that the US became the new contractor as the US had potentially greater means to carry out instructions.

  53. The Russian dominion over the Baltic countries in the USSR system was particularly disgusting

    It was flat out colonialism for the benefit of Russia only

  54. Allan

    Sure

    None of that wealth went to the rest of England, to the upper class in Britain, not one penny no sireee!!

  55. I’ve got some advice for the Russian Navy. When it comes to dealing with threats from western naval forces, save some money and buy creel nets.

    I was in Invergordon last week and moored next to the vessel carrying out work for me was (and still is) Queen Elizabeth, the RN’s latest aircraft carrier. It was towed into port after sea trials because its propellor was pranged – by creel nets, and I had this confirmed. Not only that, but earlier and from Rosyth, QE had to return to port because its paint was found to be unresistant to seawater spray and was peeling. Dulux just isn’t what it used to be.

    The budget for this vessel is well over limits: what a calamity.

  56. Russians endured the hard, long imprisonment more than any other country under the hell of the Soviet Union.

    Indeed they did. But since that evil empire collapsed, its runt of a successor has continued to bully and subvert and even invade its former colonies. And always cheered on by useful fools in the west.

  57. Phantom, on July 15th, 2017 at 11:44 PM Said:

    Allan

    Sure

    None of that wealth went to the rest of England

    That is correct. The ordinary people of the UK gained nothing from the ‘Empire’: it was established solely for the banking clique.

    Phantom, on July 15th, 2017 at 11:41 PM Said:

    The Russian dominion over the Baltic countries in the USSR system was particularly disgusting

    It was flat out colonialism for the benefit of Russia only

    Firstly, bear in mind who ordered the invasion of the Baltic states, these people only having a couple of years’ liberty after the invasion. And exactly how did ordinary Russians gain from the oppression of Balts when they (Russians) suffered worst of all under judeo-marxism?

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/jan/25/russia.books

    Solzhenitsyn breaks last taboo of the revolution
    Nobel laureate under fire for new book on the role of Jews in Soviet-era repression.

    Alexander Solzhenitsyn, who first exposed the horrors of the Stalinist gulag, is now attempting to tackle one of the most sensitive topics of his writing career – the role of the Jews in the Bolshevik revolution and Soviet purges.

    In his latest book Solzhenitsyn, 84, deals with one of the last taboos of the communist revolution: that Jews were as much perpetrators of the repression as its victims. Two Hundred Years Together – a reference to the 1772 partial annexation of Poland and Russia which greatly increased the Russian Jewish population – contains three chapters discussing the Jewish role in the revolutionary genocide and secret police purges of Soviet Russia.

  58. Phantom, it’s insane trying to have a discussion with a fanatical true believer. To paraphrase a Sherlock Holmes quote:

    One begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts

    Nothing must be allowed to detract from the narrative.

  59. Oh BTW, how long will it be before we find that Trump Jr and his perceived hostile foreign agent actually weren’t hostile as both were clandestinely controlled by (((themmuns)))?

  60. Paul

    Correct

    Don’t anyone tell Allan that Ivanka married a practicing Orthodox Jew ( Jared ) and that she changed her religion to Judaism !

  61. Phantom, on July 16th, 2017 at 12:22 AM Said:

    Paul

    Correct

    Don’t anyone tell Allan that Ivanka married a practicing Orthodox Jew ( Jared ) and that she changed her religion to Judaism !

    As if I didn’t know? When jews are in the mix, what matters is whether they put the host country first or their judeo-interests first. An example of the former, it certainly appears, is Michael Savage. An example of the latter is any jew in the Bush and Obama administrations. We’ll see how Trump’s jews play out.

    But generally, organised jewry controls both sides and the political process, as well as the media, judiciary, and finance as most important of all. When an Israel-friendly but not judeo-controlled POTUS is present, jewry worries that he might decide to gas them all and make Israel pay for it 6 million times.

    Paul McMahon, on July 16th, 2017 at 12:03 AM Said:

    Phantom, it’s insane trying to have a discussion with a fanatical true believer.

    I presented facts at 11.56pm. Which of theses are incorrect?

  62. Interesting thread…..

    Paul you ask why do I continually stress the criminal or legality aspect of this. It’s very simple THAT’S ALL THAT MATTERS.

    No Votes were tampered with, no people were prevented from voting. So there was no interference in the election.

    Propaganda is NOT illegal. Exposing information is NOT illegal. Taking Money from a foreign government IS illegal, unless you are a Clinton ask Charlie Tree.

    Did the Russians Hack the DNC and the Clintons computers? It would seem so, but we will never know because the Democrats and the Clintons were allowed ignore Subpoena’s for their servers (they are above the Law of the Common Man).

    If ole Vlad the impaler himself met with Trump and handed him the entire Russian Dossier on the Clintons and they then turned it over to Fox News and Breitbart to Print Trump would not be guilty of Anything.

    In elections in the US the candidates will not turn down opposition information on their opponent no matter what the source. Corroboration will determine if it’s used or not, but any politician will take any and all information from anyone.

    If a drug dealer or a hooker gives a campaign pictures of their opponent shooting dope or dressing up as little bo peep and being beat with a wip they will take it.

    What you do in those circumstances is you send what is called a cut out to meet with the nefarious individual. Jr is inexperienced in politics and met with the Bimbo himself. Not a crime but stupid.

    What the DNC and the Clintons with the aid of three out of the 4 news corps in the US is trying to do is deligitimize the Election.

    Their play is a common one. Don’t look at what the information exposed ie the corruption of the press, the clintons and the dnc look at them they met with the enemy to get that information…. their the criminals for exposing our corruption…..

    Dirty Tricks are a part of American politics always have been and unless a crime is committed by the candidate or his surrogates it’s fair play.

    The Russians or anyone else did not interfere in our election. Hillary lost to a Carny Barker because she was more flawed than he was.

    It’s just that simple, and all these accusations, and investigations unless they find any crimes that were committed they delay the republican agenda, but they damage the democrats even more.

  63. No

    There was collision

    Your boy and his crooked son lied about it

    That we know

    Let’s see what is learned, despite all your obstructions

  64. Collusion

  65. Your boy and his crooked son lied about it

    He did, he didn’t.. whatever, will it make even the remotest difference to the day to life of average Joe?

    All politicians, lie, all the time, on just about everything, so what’s different this time?.

  66. *Day to day

  67. He should be called on his lies

    He is after all Mr. drain the swamp guy according to Patti!

    All he needs to do is admit that he has a filthy liar and we will be on the road to resolution

  68. Phantom

    You are wrong. Trump never lies. As we have already been told by Kelly-Ann (or was it Spicer ? ) he just reveals alternative facts 🙂

  69. They all Lie.

    Collusion is not a crime, and even it was what did they collude about?

    Certainly not about rigging the vote, or preventing anyone from voting.

    Oh exposing the corruption of the DNC, the Press, and the Clintons…. how dare they expose that……

  70. I presented facts at 11.56pm. Which of theses are incorrect?

    You provided a link to a book written about Jews and the USSR and then slyly asked who ordered the invasion of the Baltic states, omitting the Great Northern War of the eighteenth century and the Tsarist Russian Empire which of course had no interest in how ordinary Russians gained from the oppression of Balts. Now, no doubt you’ll go into an elongated treatise about how Tsarist Russia was really controlled by (((themmuns))) with many many many many seemingly connected yet divergent links as ‘evidence’. Don’t bother.

    Yes, you understand propaganda very very well.

    Paul you ask why do I continually stress the criminal or legality aspect of this. It’s very simple THAT’S ALL THAT MATTERS

    So, political integrity, lies and untruthfully contradicting those entrusted with your nation’s security bringing them into domestic and international disrepute mean nothing to you Troll?

  71. So, political integrity, lies and untruthfully contradicting those entrusted with your nation’s security bringing them into domestic and international disrepute mean nothing to you Troll?

    International disrepute…. really? We should be concerned about what the rest of the world thinks about our internal politics…. I don’t think so.

    As for political integrity…. that’s an oxymoron. All politicians are Liars, what they get accomplished in office in the only way you can judge anything.

    As for my Nations Security once again deeds not words. Deployment of Missile Defense to Poland blocked by Obama, delivered by Trump, the third stage of the Iron Dome for Israel blocked by Obama, delivered by Trump, Red Line drawn by Obama “don’t use chemical weapons” they did Obama did NOTHING, they did Trump bombed them.

  72. They don’t all lie on collusion with the enemy

    Your drain the swamp guy stands in an ugly and treasonous place of shame

  73. We should be concerned about what the rest of the world thinks about our internal politics…. I don’t think so

    Unsurprising I suppose after you didn’t seem to mind when your President shared intelligence with a third party without the second party’s permission.

    Friendly intelligence services around the world share intelligence on occasion. Your President untruthfully contradicting your nation’s security and intelligence services brings them into international disrepute. This is bigger than your ‘internal politics’ claim.

    As for political integrity…. that’s an oxymoron. All politicians are Liars, what they get accomplished in office in the only way you can judge anything

    Yet your claim for voting for Trump over Clinton was because of political integrity and lies

    The Trump inner circle met with what they thought was an agent of a hostile government seeking to undermine the US electoral process. If you as an American see no problems with that then there really isn’t much more to say.

  74. Lying is not the same as Bribery, The Clintons took 100s of millions of dollars in bribes.

    Your President untruthfully contradicting your nation’s security and intelligence services brings them into international disrepute.

    Our security agencies did NOT say anything that Trump has contradicted. That is where you’re confusion begins.

  75. Our security agencies did NOT say anything that Trump has contradicted. That is where you’re confusion begins

    I believe that the Trump camp has continuously denied any meetings with ‘Russian agents’ until now?

    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/7/11/15954012/trump-jr-emails-russia

    Former CIA chief John Brennan from two months ago on the Trump Presidential campaign last year:

    Former CIA Director John Brennan told House Russia investigators Tuesday that Russia “brazenly interfered” in US elections, including actively contacting members of the President Donald Trump’s campaign

    http://edition.cnn.com/2017/05/23/politics/john-brennan-house-intelligence-committee/index.html

    As I said, if you as an American see no problems with that then there really isn’t much more to say.

  76. I see they have changed their talking points from “there was no collusion” to “collusion is not against the law” which seems to be an admission that even they concede collusion took place

  77. Paul McMahon, on July 16th, 2017 at 3:58 PM Said:

    I presented facts at 11.56pm. Which of theses are incorrect?

    You provided a link to a book written about Jews and the USSR and then slyly asked who ordered the invasion of the Baltic states,

    Let’s just go through this because it really is necessary.

    Stalin ordered the invasion of the Baltic states and, as with all (((Soviet))) conquests, the best and most intelligent of the conquered were taken away and murdered – usually by bullet in the head in the manner of Katyn Wood.

    The book cited is by Alexander Solzhenitsyn in which he points out the preponderance of jews in the gang that overthrew the Czar and killed his entire family as well as the best of Russians. Strangely enough, Putin pointed out exactly the same fact because it’s a fact:

    http://www.heretical.com/miscellx/bolshies.html

    Amongst themselves, the Jews are quite candid about their sympathy for and involvement in Bolshevism.

    On 4 April 1919 the Jewish Chronicle: “There is much in the fact of Bolshevism itself, in the fact that so many Jews are Bolshevists, in the fact that the ideals of Bolshevism at many points are consonant with the finest ideals of Judaism.”

    (Perhaps this explains why the Red Army uses a Jewish star as its symbol?)

    Probably the best-known exposé of the Jewish role in the Bolshevik coup d’état was by Sir Winston Churchill, writing in the Illustrated Sunday Herald of 8 February 1920. Churchill wrote “With the notable exception of Lenin, the majority of leading figures are Jews. Moreover the principal inspiration and the driving power comes from Jewish leaders.”

    What did Bertrand Russell say about the Soviet Union when he visited it?

    https://books.google.co.uk/books?dq=bertrand+russell+%22composed+of+Americanised+jews%22&id=dVBpAwAAQBAJ&lpg=PA354&ots=7j5N-o8R9U&pg=PA354&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=bertrand%20russell%20%22composed%20of%20Americanised%20jews%22&f=false

    Here is an eyewitness account by Bertrand Russell on 25 June 1920:

    Dearest O

    I have got thus far on my return, but boats are very full and it may be a week before I reach England. I left Allen in a nursing home in Reval, no longer in danger, tho’ twice he had been given up by the Doctors. Partly owing to his illness, but more because I loathed the Bolsheviks, the time in Russia was infinitely painful to me, in spite of being one of the most interesting things I have ever done. Bolshevism is a close tyrannical bureaucracy, with a spy system more elaborate and terrible than the Tsar’s, and an aristocracy as insolent and unfeeling, composed of Americanised Jews. No vestige of liberty remains, in thought or speech or action. I was stifled and oppressed by the weights of the machine as by a cope of lead. Yet I think it the right government for Russia at this moment. If you ask yourself how Dostoevsky’s characters should be governed, you will understand. Yet it is terrible. …

    Russell, Bertrand. “Russia.” Autobiography. 1967. London and New York: Routledge, 2000. 354-355. Print

    Of course, Russell was an ‘intellectual’ for whom exercises such as genocidal (((communism))) were mere experiments to find the best system for ruling over lesser humans.

  78. There are various reasons why so many Jews were the main drivers in Communism in the early days, a lot of them are understandable and have nothing to do with conspiracies.

  79. EP

    entirely correct

    What a pack of jamokes

    The so-called drain the swamp guys are making legalistic reasons why it’s OK for Trump to lie and and collude

    They never wanted to drain any swamp; they only want for their guy to be in charge of the moral corruption

  80. Communism and the USSR was an extremely horrific thing in the early days

    No excuses should be made for anyone that had anything to do with it

  81. *Sigh,

    You provided a link to a book written about Jews and the USSR and then slyly asked who ordered the invasion of the Baltic states, omitting the Great Northern War of the eighteenth century and the Tsarist Russian Empire

    The USSR didn’t see the Baltics as a reconquest of former Russian Empire lands, it was ordered by the Jews for some reason or other.

    Noel, feel free to take this advice to Phantom on board:

    It’s insane trying to have a discussion with a fanatical true believer. To paraphrase a Sherlock Holmes quote:

    One begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts

    Nothing must be allowed to detract from the narrative.

    The so-called drain the swamp guys are making legalistic reasons why it’s OK for Trump to lie and and collude

    That’s precisely what it looks like from this end Phantom.

  82. losers gonna lose and whiners gonna whine.

    everyday it looks brighter and brighter cuz Trump is POTUS

  83. One reason that the Russians/Soviets conquered the Baltic states and also why they demanded a slice of Finland was to make the USSR more defensible against the Germans

    This does not mean they had a moral right to do any of this, most certainly does not mean that they had a right to keep those lands after the conclusion of the second world war

  84. // does not mean that they had a right to keep those lands after the conclusion of the second world war//

    Phantom, the cold war never turned hot because of the balance of power; if one side had been significantly weaker than the other, the weaker would have become desperate or the stronger become cocky, and there would probably have been a major confrontation.

    If the SU had not kept those lands after 1945, NATO tanks and missiles would have been on the borders of Russia as they are now through all those nervous decades. The US was prepared to go to nuclear war to prevent such a scenario in the west; maybe the Russians were equally entitled to have similar concerns in the east.

    Of course there is no legal or moral justification for the Soviet occupation of eastern Europe, but its rationale was clear and very understandable.

  85. Of course there is no legal or moral justification for the Soviet occupation of eastern Europe, but its rationale was clear and very understandable

    Fair comment Noel.

  86. If The SU had not kept those lands after 1945, NATO tanks and missiles would have been on the borders of Russia as they are now through all those nervous decades. The US was prepared to go to nuclear war

    I don’t know that this had to be, at all.

    The US and USSR were allies in arms of course until the day that the war came to an end

    At this time Stalin’s USSR imposed conquest and dictatorship on not just the Baltics but on half of Europe. it was then that the relationship between the huge countries returned to –very bad–.It did not have to be as bad as it was. The USSR was actually invited to be a participant in the benefits of the Marshall plan reconstruction. The communist giant slept away the hand of friendship.

  87. –slapped —

  88. http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/soviet-union-rejects-marshall-plan-assistance

    The Soviet Union rejects Marshall plan assistance

    And incredibly unwise decision with consequences that lasted for decades

  89. Phantom, that wasn’t what caused the Cold War. The US and the SU had two totally opposing ideologies. The US already detested and feared communism before the war, this fear was put on hold for the war years but it duly returned with a vengence when the war was won. The SU’s behaviour in Europe certainly didn’t help, but the main driver was the need to control Latin America and secure a dominant influence in the Third World. These were goals the two powers shared.

    Communism wasn’t only in the SU, there were very strong communist movements in Italy, Greece and France and many other places, and for a while it looked like they could get power in some countries, like they eventually did in several parts of Asia. The US naturally wanted to arrest this trend, the SU naturally wanted to promote it. Conflict was inevitable. The US had handed eastern Europe to the Soviets basically as part of the spoils of war and to keep an ally happy (FDR was much more generous than Churchill would have been), but by 1948 at the latest I’m sure the Americans regretted that generosity as much as the eastern Europeans did.

  90. Phantom, on July 16th, 2017 at 7:30 PM Said:

    One reason that the Russians/Soviets conquered the Baltic states and also why they demanded a slice of Finland was to make the USSR more defensible against the Germans

    Let’s look at the facts. When the USSR launched its attack against Finland in 1939, its troops were warned against infringing Sweden’s borders. This is because the USSR wanted to absorb all of Finland so that it would become a Soviet Republic just like all the others within the Soviet Union:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War

    At the beginning of the war, total victory over Finland was expected within a few weeks. The Red Army had just finished the invasion of eastern Poland at a cost of fewer than 1,000 casualties, due to Poland having been attacked by Germany from the west just two weeks prior. Stalin’s expectations of a quick Soviet triumph were backed up by the politician Andrei Zhdanov and military strategist Kliment Voroshilov, but other generals had their doubts. The chief of staff of the Red Army, Boris Shaposhnikov, advocated a serious buildup, extensive logistical and fire support preparations, and a rational order of battle, deploying the army’s best units. Zhdanov’s military commander Kirill Meretskov reported at the start of the hostilities: “The terrain of coming operations is split by lakes, rivers, swamps, and is almost entirely covered by forests … The proper use of our forces will be difficult”. However, these doubts were not reflected in his troop deployments. Meretskov announced publicly that the Finnish campaign would take two weeks at the most. Soviet soldiers had even been warned not to cross the border into Sweden by mistake.[87]

    The 87 is a reference – here it is below:

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Frozen-Hell-Russo-Finnish-Winter-1939-1940/dp/1565122496

    I don’t have that book and so I don’t have the page but if Phantom believes this claim to be an error, then he can show his higher reference.

    As for “more defensible against the Germans”, there would have been no need for being defensible had Finland not been made an enemy through sheer territorial greed. It should be noted that when Finland recovered its lost territories in 1941, it neither took more than its previous losses nor did allow the German Army to attack the Soviet Union from Finland. Imagine a German attack launched from Finland instead of from Poland – Leningrad and Moscow would have fallen in days, and the world would have been a much better place.

    I note Paul’s comment that the Soviets only wanted to recover the Tsarist lands: the judeo-marxists wanted to take all of Europe as they already had placemen in Hungary and Germany – but were stopped in Poland by Marshall Pilsudski:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Warsaw_(1920)

    The British diplomat Edgar Vincent regards this event as one of the most important battles in history on his expanded list of most decisive battles, since the Polish victory over the Soviets stopped the spread of communism to Europe.

    Pilsudski died in 1935 prior to repairing the damage of Versailles with Germany. Here is a picture from a memorial service held in Berlin:

    http://thenewdoge.deviantart.com/art/Hitler-at-the-funeral-of-Jozef-Pilsudski-540200067

  91. Noel, on July 16th, 2017 at 6:35 PM Said:

    There are various reasons why so many Jews were the main drivers in Communism in the early days, a lot of them are understandable and have nothing to do with conspiracies.

    But everything to do with money from Wall Street financing the ‘revolution’ and with all of Russia’s wealth ending up in the hands of the (((usual suspects)))

    http://modernhistoryproject.org/mhp?Article=BolshevikRev

    Preface
    Author’s preface
    1. The Actors on the Revolutionary Stage
    Monopoly capitalists and revolutionary socialists as natural allies
    2. Trotsky Leaves New York to Complete the Revolution
    Trotsky returns to Russia via Canada on a U.S. passport
    3. Lenin and German Assistance for the Bolshevik Revolution
    Lenin returns to Russia with help from Germany
    4. Wall Street and World Revolution
    Wall Street bankers fund revolution in Panama, China, Mexico, and Russia
    5. The American Red Cross Mission in Russia, 1917
    The Red Cross mission as a cover for the Wall Street financiers
    6. Consolidation and Export of the Revolution
    Promoting Bolshevism in Germany, France and America
    7. The Bolsheviks Return to New York
    Formation of the Soviet Bureau in New York, with support from U.S. firms
    8. 120 Broadway, New York City
    Interlocking organizations at a key New York address
    9. Guaranty Trust Goes to Russia
    Guaranty Trust, Soviet gold and the Ruskombank
    10. J.P. Morgan Gives a Little Help to the Other Side
    Playing both ends against the middle
    11. The Alliance of Bankers and Revolution
    Collectivism as a tool for elite control

    Since the early 1920s, numerous pamphlets and articles, even a few books, have sought to forge a link between “international bankers” and “Bolshevik revolutionaries.” Rarely have these attempts been supported by hard evidence, and never have such attempts been argued within the framework of a scientific methodology. Indeed, some of the”evidence” used in these efforts has been fraudulent, some has been irrelevant, much cannot be checked. Examination of the topic by academic writers has been studiously avoided; probably because the hypothesis offends the neat dichotomy of capitalists versus Communists (and everyone knows, of course, that these are bitter enemies). Moreover, because a great deal that has been written borders on the absurd, a sound academic reputation could easily be wrecked on the shoals of ridicule. Reason enough to avoid the topic.

    Fortunately, the State Department Decimal File, particularly the 861.00 section, contains extensive documentation on the hypothesized link. When the evidence in these official papers is merged with non-official evidence from biographies, personal papers, and conventional histories, a truly fascinating story emerges.

    We find there was a link between some New York international bankers and many revolutionaries, including Bolsheviks. These banking gentlemen — who are here identified — had a financial stake in, and were rooting for, the success of the Bolshevik Revolution.

  92. //But everything to do with money from Wall Street financing the ‘revolution’//

    The revolution didn’t need financing. The Jews who made up the communist leadership in Europe weren’t bankers; they were writers, lawyers, journalists, that kind of thing. Their socialism was driven by a sense of historic modernism, socialism at the time was considered the only scientific political theory and incorporated almost all the modern ideas from the sciences, as well as by their sense of justice and the hope that communism would abolish all differences between people’s ethnic or religions origins.

    But irony of ironies – I learned recently that the mobile gas chamber as an instrument for mass killing of political enemies was invented by a jewish Bolshevik, Isay Berg, working for the Soviet secret service in the mid 1930s.

  93. The revolution didn’t need financing. The Jews who made up the communist leadership in Europe weren’t bankers; they were writers, lawyers, journalists, that kind of thing.

    Noel – could you show me one or two examples of writers, lawyers, journalists…. who didn’t need financing during the ‘revolution’? Also, how was the Red Army funded, or did it not need arms, supplies, food etc because they were all writers, lawyers and journalists?

    http://modernhistoryproject.org/mhp?Article=BolshevikRev&C=9.0

    In 1918 the Soviets faced a bewildering array of internal and external problems. They occupied a mere fraction of Russia. To subdue the remainder, they needed foreign arms, imported food, outside financial support, diplomatic recognition, and — above all — foreign trade. To gain diplomatic recognition and foreign trade, the Soviets first needed representation abroad, and representation in turn required financing through gold or foreign currencies. As we have already seen, the first step was to establish the Soviet Bureau in New York under Ludwig Martens. At the same time, efforts were made to transfer funds to the United States and Europe for purchases of needed goods. Then influence was exerted in the U.S. to gain recognition or to obtain the export licenses needed to ship goods to Russia.

  94. // could you show me one or two examples of writers, lawyers, journalists…. who didn’t need financing during the ‘revolution’?//

    Ernst Toller, Bela Kun, Eugen Levine, Rosa Luxemburg, …. I could go on.

  95. I note Paul’s comment that the Soviets only wanted to recover the Tsarist lands

    Except I didn’t say that, your premise was:

    Firstly, bear in mind who ordered the invasion of the Baltic states

    You seem to think it was done by Stalin and ignore the annexing and occupation of the Baltics by the Tsarist Russian Empire beginning almost two hundred years before the 1917 revolution with the annexing of Estonia ratified by the Treaty of Nystad in 1721.

    (((themmuns))) again?

  96. Noel 1022

    –Re mobile gas chamber–

    Which again goes to show that communism and Naziism have always occupied a very similar moral place

  97. Noel – please do go on. The list of jews leading communism is enormous. You keep going, and I’ll show how they were funded.

  98. Invention and use in Soviet Union

    The gas van was invented in the Soviet Union[3][4][5][10][11] in 1936,[8] by Isay Berg, the head of the administrative and economic department of the NKVD of Moscow Oblast which suffocated batches of prisoners with engine fumes in a camouflaged bread van while on the drive out to the mass graves at Butovo, where the prisoners were subsequently buried.[6] According to Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn.

    The fact of the invention of the gas chamber by Berg is not documented, but it is only a version of the authors published in literary (non-documentary) literature.

    I. D. Berg was ordered to carry out the decisions of the NKVD troika of Moscow Oblast, and Berg was decently carrying out this assignment: he was driving people to the executions by shooting. But, when in Moscow Oblast there came to be three troikas having their sessions simultaneously, the executioners could not cope with the load. They hit upon a solution: to strip the victims naked, to tie them up, plug their mouths and throw them into a closed truck, disguised from the outside as a bread van. During transportation the fuel gases went into the truck, and when delivered to the farthest [execution] ditch the arrestees were already dead.”[7]

    Berg denied that he was the inventor of the gas van

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_van

    Apparently Berg declined credit for this invention, but it’s origins were definitely with the mass murdering Communists during the mass murders of the Great Purge.

  99. //Noel – please do go on.//

    What do you mean, “please go on”?

    You challenged me to give you two names. I gave you four. And now you still want me to provide more names?

  100. You also forgot to list the United States as having a large group of Communists in the early 1900s. When Communism became a dirty word in the US this group changed their name to Progressives and eventually took over the Democrat Party.

  101. a side note….

    While we kvetch and are overwhelmed by the rantings of the delusional about fake collusion Iran is building Air and Sea bases in Lebanon. There is a road now running from Tehran to Lebanon through Syria.

  102. Progressives generally are not any sort of Communists.

    Communists are the other side of the coin with Nazis, and the antifa would be in the same general moral area. They’d often be united in their desire to crush speech and assembly rights, and to exterminate those that don’t agree with them.

    Paul Krugman and Rachel Maddow would be progressives, but only an gibbering moron would call either of them communists.

  103. //with Nazis, and the antifa would be in the same general moral area. //

    But who uses gas on its opponents, Antifa or the cops?

  104. What does that even mean?

    Tear gas against an extremely violent mob is a bad thing?

    You deny that antifa is violent and antidemocratic and that they’ve gone set out to seriously injure people that don’t agree with them? With molotov cocktails, clubs, fire extinguishers as thrown from upper stories of buildings etc?

  105. the Antifa are Democrats Phantom

  106. a side note for Peter

    As world leaders, namely in the European Union, attack President Trump for pulling out of the Paris Climate Agreement which would have saddled Americans with billions upon billions of dollars in debt and economic losses, a new bombshell report that analyzed Global Average Surface Temperature (GAST) data produced by NASA, the NOAA and HADLEY proves the President was right on target with his refusal to be a part of the new initiative.

    According to the report, which has been peer reviewed by administrators, scientists and researchers from the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), The Massachusetts Institute of Technology (M.I.T.), and several of America’s leading universities, the data is completely bunk: In this research report, the most important surface data adjustment issues are identified and past changes in the previously reported historical data are quantified. It was found that each new version of GAST has nearly always exhibited a steeper warming linear trend over its entire history. And, it was nearly always accomplished by systematically removing the previously existing cyclical temperature pattern. This was true for all three entities providing GAST data measurement, NOAA, NASA and Hadley CRU.

    As a result, this research sought to validate the current estimates of GAST using the best available relevant data. This included the best documented and understood data sets from the U.S. and elsewhere as well as global data from satellites that provide far more extensive global coverage and are not contaminated by bad siting and urbanization impacts. Satellite data integrity also benefits from having cross checks with Balloon data.

    The conclusive findings of this research are that the three GAST data sets are not a valid representation of reality. In fact, the magnitude of their historical data adjustments, that removed their cyclical temperature patterns, are totally inconsistent with published and credible U.S. and other temperature data. Thus, it is impossible to conclude from the three published GAST data sets that recent years have been the warmest ever –despite current claims of record setting warming.

    Finally, since GAST data set validity is a necessary condition for EPA’s GHG/CO2 Endangerment Finding, it too is invalidated by these research findings. (Full Abstract Report)

  107. Troll

    The antifa are violent political criminals of the worst kind. Absolute enemies of speech and democratic rights.

    They are as representative of ” Democrats ” as much as the KKK or neo Nazis are of ” Republicans ”

    You can’t defeat them if you have no idea what they are. Such talk is 100% unhelpful.

  108. //You deny that antifa is violent and antidemocratic and that they’ve gone set out to seriously injure people that don’t agree with them?//

    What put that into your head?

    I deny that they are on the same moral plane as the Nazis, as you claim.

  109. The antifa, like communists and nazis, want to beat up their opponents and deny them any speech or assembly rights. This is beyond dispute.

    The only reason IMO that they don’t go beyond this is that they are not greater in numbers. I have no doubt but that if they had real power, they’d treat their enemies like the Reich, or the Khmer Rouge treated their enemies.

    The feckless European and other governments should from this point proactively treat them as the extremely violent enemies of society that they have proven themselves to be.

  110. So, you think that, if allowed, this “Antifa” would set up concentration camps and exterminate millions of their assumed enemies in gas chambers.

    I see.

  111. There is a moral straight line between the Bolsehiks, the Khmer Rouge and Antifa.

    Their core beliefs that physical force is the correct means to destroy opponents who have no rights of any kind are fairly identical.

    This isn’t said for effect, it’s true.

  112. An interesting thread which reveals the strange goings-on in Noel’s head

    Noel, on July 16th, 2017 at 10:22 PM Said:

    //But everything to do with money from Wall Street financing the ‘revolution’//

    The revolution didn’t need financing. The Jews who made up the communist leadership in Europe weren’t bankers; they were writers, lawyers, journalists, that kind of thing.

    All activities need financing, especially revolutions which always start from the top and never from the ‘workers’ which, as Bertrand Russell pointed out, would be as likely as sheep overthrowing the farmer in revolt against the eating of mutton.

    Allan@Aberdeen, on July 16th, 2017 at 11:29 PM Said:

    Noel – could you show me one or two examples of writers, lawyers, journalists…. who didn’t need financing during the ‘revolution’?

    Noel, on July 17th, 2017 at 12:43 AM Said:

    // could you show me one or two examples of writers, lawyers, journalists…. who didn’t need financing during the ‘revolution’?//

    Ernst Toller, Bela Kun, Eugen Levine, Rosa Luxemburg, …. I could go on.

    Allan@Aberdeen, on July 17th, 2017 at 12:17 PM Said:

    Noel – please do go on. The list of jews leading communism is enormous. You keep going, and I’ll show how they were funded.

    The reason why I asked Noel to continue as he said that he would is that some people at ATW still do not believe that communism is driven by jews

    Noel, on July 17th, 2017 at 1:30 PM Said:

    //Noel – please do go on.//

    What do you mean, “please go on”?

    You challenged me to give you two names. I gave you four. And now you still want me to provide more names?

    Like footprints in sand, any previous comment is simply wiped from the mind. Unfortunately for Noel, it remains on the thread, at 12.43am – “I could go on”.

    And now, let’s look at the financing of the perverts who attempted to destroy Europe after WW1. Bela Kun (Cohen) is a good place to start. This jew attempted to ‘pornogrify’ Hungary and ruin its native people – but how did he get into power?

    This splendid book, The Tragedy of Central Europe, published in 1923 by a witness to these events, Ellis Ashmead-Bartlett of The Daily Telegraph, explains Bela Kun and Lenin. Page 57 is interesting.

    https://ia600209.us.archive.org/22/items/tragedyofcentral00ashmuoft/tragedyofcentral00ashmuoft.pdf

    Kun was financed by Lenin who, in turn, was financed by certain Wall Street players:

    http://modernhistoryproject.org/mhp?Article=NoneDare&C=4.0

    The year is 1917. The Allies are fighting the Central Powers. The Allies include Russia, the British Commonwealth, France and by April 1917, the United States. in March of 1917, purposeful planners set in motion the forces to compel Czar Nicholas II to abdicate. He did so under pressure from the Allies after severe riots in the Czarist capitol of Petrograd, riots that were caused by the breakdowns in the transportation system which cut the city off from food supplies and led to the closing of factories.

    But where were Lenin and Trotsky when all this was taking place? Lenin was in Switzerland and had been in Western Europe since 1905 when he was exiled for trying to topple the Czar in the abortive Communist revolution of that year. Trotsky also was in exile, a reporter for a Communist newspaper on the lower east side of New York City. The Bolsheviks were not a visible political force at the time the Czar abdicated. And they came to power not because the downtrodden masses of Russia called them back, but because very powerful men in Europe and the United States sent them in.

  113. All activities need financing,

    Yes, but but some activities would not have needed too much from outside.

    The Chinese revolution happened, but I don’t think that it would be correct to say that the primary reason for its success was the financing that Mao may have been given by the USSR.

    There were many motivated Chinese that believed in that cause, that was the primary reason.

    Likewise there were plenty of Russian Communists that believed in that cause.

  114. According to Allan Communism and Capitalism (two opposing systems) are driven by Jews. Only thing he hasn’t blamed them for is haggis.

  115. Phantom – (((somebody))) helped the communists in China:

    https://radioislam.org/islam/english/jewishp/china/jew-china-gov.htm

  116. World communism, then centered in holy Moscow, ” helped ” China on the road to catastrophe.

    But Chinese people had some role in the Chinese revolution as well.

  117. According to Allan Communism and Capitalism (two opposing systems) are driven by Jews.

    It’s not just according to me: there is plentiful evidence to that fact.

    http://modernhistoryproject.org/mhp?Article=NoneDare&C=4.0

    In the Bolshevik Revolution we have some of the world’s richest and most powerful men financing a movement which claims its very existence is based on the concept of stripping of their wealth men like the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, Schiffs, Warburgs, Morgans, Harrimans, and Milners. But obviously these men have no fear of international Communism. It is only logical to assume that if they financed it and do not fear it, it must be because they control it. Can there be any other explanation that makes sense?

  118. Did the Chinese people have anything to do with the Chinese revolution Allan?

    https://redyouthuk.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/mao-chinese-revolution-2560×1600.jpg

    They were all manipulated by a few rich white guys was it?

  119. As was the Russian Tsarist Empire in their seizing of the Baltics which began almost two hundred years before the Bolshevik revolution Phantom.

  120. Allan and others completely trust the Russian bear

    The Poles, Balts and others that have to live with it, not so much

  121. Phantom your line is correct

    Phantom, on July 17th, 2017 at 3:22 PM Said: Edit Comment

    There is a moral straight line between the Bolsehiks, the Khmer Rouge and Antifa.

    and the Antifa are the Democrat Party.

  122. Does that then mean that the pro – Trump Alt – Right guys are the Republican Party Troll?

  123. Regretfully yes

  124. I’m sure that you being a Zionist will have some thoughts on this then?

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-president-elect-alt-right-white-supremacists-nazi-hitler-salutes-richard-b-spencer-a7431216.html

  125. sure I do Paul you can find loons on both sides. The loons on the left are being funded by the leadership and encouraged.

    The loons on the right are being shunned and disavowed.

    Big difference.

  126. I don’t think that that’s the case on either point Troll.

  127. The loons on the right are being shunned and disavowed.

    Absolute clueless bullshit.

    Bannon is in the White House, and Trump remains very much under the influence of Alex Jones, directly and via Trump insider for decades Roger Stone.

    Never in US history have crazies been this close to an Administration.

  128. Paul@12.25pm. Good link

    Footage broadcast by The Atlantic as part of an upcoming documentary on Mr Spencer showed his followers repeatedly performing Hitler salutes during the tirade, where he claimed America was a “white country [that] belongs to us.

    “To be white is to be a striver, a crusader, an explorer and a conqueror,” he continued.

    “We don’t exploit other groups, we don’t gain anything from their presence. They need us and not the other way around.

    “Within the very blood in our veins as children of the sun lies the potential for greatness. That is the great struggle we’re called to.

    “We’re not meant to live in shame and weakness and disgrace. We were not meant to beg for moral validation from some of the most despicable creatures to ever populate the planet.”

  129. Just for comparison:

    “We write symphonies. We pursue innovation. We celebrate our ancient heroes, embrace our timeless traditions and customs, and always seek to explore and discover brand-new frontiers. We reward brilliance. We strive for excellence, and cherish inspiring works of art that honor God. We treasure the rule of law and protect the right to free speech and free expression. We put faith and family, not government and bureaucracy, at the center of our lives. And we debate everything. We challenge everything. Our own fight for the West does not begin on the battlefield. It begins with our minds, our wills and our souls. We can have the largest economies and the most lethal weapons anywhere on Earth, but if we do not have strong families and strong values, then we will be weak and we will not survive.”

    Donald Trump, Warsaw, 2017

    We can see how many of the Euro-Atlantic countries are actually rejecting their roots, including the Christian values that constitute the basis of Western civilisation. They are denying moral principles and all traditional identities: national, cultural, religious and even sexual. They are implementing policies that equate large families with same-sex partnerships, belief in God with the belief in Satan.

    The excesses of political correctness have reached the point where people are seriously talking about registering political parties whose aim is to promote paedophilia. People in many European countries are embarrassed or afraid to talk about their religious affiliations. Holidays are abolished or even called something different; their essence is hidden away, as is their moral foundation. And people are aggressively trying to export this model all over the world. I am convinced that this opens a direct path to degradation and primitivism, resulting in a profound demographic and moral crisis.

    Vladimir Putin, Valdai, 2013

    What Richard Spencer said, what Donald Trump said, and what Vladimir Putin said – is all correct.

  130. We put faith and family,

    Trump sure puts faith and families at the top of his list, every day. He’s a very holy guy.

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