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GERMANY NEEDS AN ALTERNATIVE

By Pete Moore On September 24th, 2017

IT’S the German General Election today. It’s hardly going to be a thriller. Merkel’s Christian Democratic Union will be the largest party and she will remain Chancellor. But two interesting questions need to be resolved. One is that the government will be a coalition and we won’t know how that will look for a while.

The other is how the moderate Alternative für Deutschland (AfD) party fares. It was only founded four years ago, but it’s tipped to become the third-largest party in the Bundestag. Lord knows how the country needs them to do well. German political parties are herd animals which stick close to official opinion on most things. The AfD bucks the rest and dares to speak for Germans. To establishment opinion this makes them “extreme”. By any normal measure it makes them moderate.

So I’m sure I speak for all associated with ATW when I say good luck to all German patriots standing and voting today.

41 Responses to “GERMANY NEEDS AN ALTERNATIVE”

  1. AfD, beat The Left, and the Greens. 😂

    Merkel is now free to revert back to giving the German electorate not even a second thought, and not caring what they think.

    I strongly suspect she will gladly welcome another million economic immigrants into Europe.

  2. The AfD bucks the rest and dares to speak for Germans.

    Exit polls suggest that they only speak for 13.5% of the German electorate though.

    After the right wing victories we were told were going to happen in France, Holland and Austria it looks like the second European Blitzkrieg will have to be put on hold.

  3. Germans are now so utterly cucked that it’s amazing that there is an AfD

  4. It’s a good day for German patriots, indeed for all decent people everywhere.

    AfD has suddenly become much more influential. Getting some 90 seats means it gets the state funding which gave established parties an advantage. It means they get to sit on committees and have guaranteed access to question the government.

    The SPD, which came second, has said it will not be in government. This makes forming a coalition very tricky. Merkel is much weaker now. Her vote share has fallen significantly.

  5. Beautiful move.

    @dpa_intl

    #BREAKING: Far-right AfD lead candidate Weidel to initiate Merkel investigation in parliament

    I hope they wear her down and make that terrible woman’s life hell.

  6. The SPD, which came second, has said it will not be in government.

    So, Schultz will be scuttling off back to Brussels palaces double quick time, to board the gravy train again then.

  7. The fact that Merkel Will continue as chancellor means that the Germans have learned nothing

  8. Of course it does. the ATW EU hating fanatics know much better than the people who actually live there under her government do.

  9. Phantom

    It looks like it only because the German electoral system produces such results. She will however have to form a coalition and that is not always easy.

  10. Brexit 52%

    Merkel 32%

  11. Remain 48%

    AfD 13.5%

    So what?

  12. Beautiful words from AfD’s leader.

    @mathieuvonrohr

    AfD’s Gauland first comments today: “We are going to hunt Merkel down” and “we are going to take back our country and our people”

    Happy hunting.

  13. AfD has suddenly become much more influential. Getting some 90 seats means it gets the state funding which gave established parties an advantage.

    Yes Pete. Thanks to the fair voting system in Germany all parties get seats in proportion to their votes. Of course you and others hereabouts are 100% opposed to a fair voting system for the UK.

    And I take it that you are also 100% opposed to state funding for political parties?

  14. The SPD has tonight ruled out a continuation of the “grand coalition” on the grounds that it would leave AFD as the official opposition. So Merkel will need to form a coalition with the Free Market FDP and the Greens. Good luck with that one Angie.

  15. Peter –

    I am completely opposed to all state funding of political parties.

  16. That’s an interesting Twitter feed Pete. I can understand why you didn’t link to this:

    https://twitter.com/mathieuvonrohr/status/911877287838126080

  17. I am completely opposed to all state funding of political parties.

    And what about a fair voting system Pete? Under the UK system the AFD would have been hammered, just like UKIP.

  18. Paul –

    Irish republicans will never be able to point at someone else.

    Peter –

    I prefer FPTP, and I suspect that a few Bolsheviks are about to take a shine to it also.

  19. Pete

    Your preference is for the least fair voting system of them all. In the 2015 general elcation UKIP got 13% of the votes and 1 MP out of 635. That’s not democracy.

  20. Irish republicans will never be able to point at someone else

    Still doesn’t change the fact that you are lauding people that glorify Nazism though does it Pete?

  21. State funding of political parties be a bad thing, but what we have in the US, where rich people have great control over political parties is 100 times worse

  22. Paul –

    All soldiers do as they’re told by political masters. The Wehrmacht wasn’t a wing of the National Socialist Party.

  23. The SS were soldiers too were they not?

    ‘Only following orders’

    Got it. Lauding those that glorify Nazism and then attempting to diminish Nazism.

    It’s a widely-believed myth that Britain stood alone against Nazi Germany in the first two years of the Second World War.

    Who said that?

  24. Paul –

    No, the SS was a political paramilitary force. It was a creature of the National Socialist Party and was never part of the Heer or of the Wehrmacht.

  25. Ah yes, the Waffen SS weren’t combat soldiers at all.

    It’s a widely-believed myth that Britain stood alone against Nazi Germany.

    Nazi Germany, the Nazi adjective used collectively , (unless of course it refers to the Germany that wasn’t Nazi?).

    I wonder who said that?

    Lauding Nazi glorifiers.

  26. Paul –

    Yes, the Waffen-SS was a combat unit, but it was outside of the Wehrmacht.

    And yes, it’s perfectly ok for Germans to laud German soldiers. Their fortitude at, say, the Battle of the Seelow Heights, was glorious and heroic.

  27. Yes, the Waffen-SS was a combat unit

    So, they were soldiers and they were German no?

    Lauding Nazi glorifiers.

  28. Yes, many brave men died for National Socialism. In January 1945 Hitler decided to let Germany be destroyed rather than surrender. And hundreds of thousands died as a result of that decision- German civilains (think Dresden, but also many other towns and cities bombed and invaded), German soldiers and teenage reserves, and of course Allied soldiers. The slaughter and destruction of January – April 1945 was utterly avoidable.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrmUakHKFoc

  29. Paul –

    You are a rootless internationalist, a nowhere man who cannot possibly understand a patriot’s love for his land.

  30. Of the 216 seats declared so far the AFD have won one of them. They will largely only get seats because of Proportional Representation.

  31. The square moustache aficionados will be delighted to know that the AFD just won a second constituency (out of 227 declared).

  32. No, the SS was a political paramilitary force. It was a creature of the National Socialist Party and was never part of the Heer or of the Wehrmacht.

    Here is the Wehrmacht marching to the Nazi Party anthem, the Horst Wessel song. I’m sure that Allan knows the words in English.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MD6oDnm43HA

  33. They will largely only get seats because of Proportional Representation.

    And the problem is? Would you prefer the British voting system?

  34. No. I’m just pointing out to Pete his beloved system would keep his beloved party’s influence limited.

  35. “Yes, the Waffen-SS was a combat unit, but it was outside of the Wehrmacht.”

    For the most part it wasn’t. A small number of Waffen-SS units where under the command of the Kommandostab Reichsführer-SS, headed by Kurt Knoblauch, who reported directly to Himmler. The majority of the Waffen-SS was under the command of the Oberkommando der Wehrmacht.

  36. No. I’m just pointing out to Pete his beloved system would keep his beloved party’s influence limited.

    Good point Seamus. I continue to be amazed at UKIP supporters like Pete Moore and others hereabouts clinging to an absurdly unfair voting system which screws their party every time.

  37. Good point . Guys

    Is This subject discussed often over there

    I don’t think it is here, of course the same exact issue does exist, which makes Democrat/Republican control of government a permanent thing in the US

  38. The win for Merkel is good for Germany, Europe and the world. She is one of the most capable political leaders today. I think she has form in dealing with political opponents and AfD like the other loony parties that organized themselves on nutcase issues will crumble away in short order.

  39. A sign of things to come?

    The party chairwoman said that the party had to confront its internal divisions. She then announced that she would not join the AfD faction in the Bundestag.

    “I decided after careful reflection that I will not sit with the (AfD) parliamentary group” in the Bundestag, Petry told a press conference alongside other key figures in the party before abruptly leaving the room.

    Petry won a direct mandate in Sunday’s election and said she would still serve as an MP.

    A flustered Meuthen could only tell reporters that “we hadn’t agreed to that and I apologize to the press conference.” […]

    Hours after her dramatic announcement, four AfD local MPs said they were leaving party ranks and forming their own group in the state parliament of Mecklenburg-Pomerania.

    Weidel, meanwhile, has called on Petry to lay down her post as party chairwoman and then to leave the party altogether. She also revealed that Petry had not spoken to either her nor Gauland “for months” even though the duo were the leading faces of the AfD’s campaign.

    https://www.thelocal.de/20170925/afd-leader-petry-causes-storm-by-announcing-split-from-parliamentary-party

  40. What is pretty interesting is that Alternative für Deutschland did best in Saxony. Saxony has, proportionately, the lowest number of refugees and the 4th lowest number of foreign born people in Germany (compared to other Länder). Their second best result was in Thuringia, which had the 3rd lowest number of refugees and the 3rd lowest number of foreign born people. Their third best result was in Brandenburg which had the lowest number of refugees, and the second lowest number of foreign born people.

    Strangely enough in the Land with the largest number of refugees (Berlin) the AfD finished fifth, behind both the Greens and the Linkspartei. In the Land with the largest number of foreign born people (Bremen) the AfD also finished 5th.

    So the people who hate refugees and immigrants the most and need to save their country from them are people who don’t have that many refugees and immigrants living amongst them.

    It’s almost as stupid as people in Michigan who voted to stop the Mexicans from taking their jobs.

  41. So the people who hate refugees and immigrants the most and need to save their country from them are people who don’t have that many refugees and immigrants living amongst them

    Seamus, you just need to look at those who shout loudest about ‘invasion’ on ATW for proof of that conclusion!

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