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Not generally, no.

By Mahons On November 14th, 2017

The rather strange nondenial denial by Alabama Senate Candidate Moore kind of sealed the deal for me.  When a guy can’t deny the basic allegation, in this case a pattern of attempting to date teenage girls when he was much older then you see the fire in the smoke. To say, as he did “Not generally, no” raises more questions than answers.

A candidate’s fitness for office may not be an ultimate consideration for Alabama voters who are not fond of the national media and may view this as an intrusion (there is a reason state ranks at or near the bottom in several telling categories).  But nationally in the growing self awareness of sexual harassment a Senator Moore would be a drag on the Republican agenda.

Adding to the story comes not just creepy atempts at association, but now unwanted advances.  As we saw with Weinstein, Cosby, Spacey, Bill Cinton, and Anthony Weiner these types of guys manage to have ever increasing accusers emerge as people become willing to speak out.

Moore if left to his own devices will no doubt try to ride out the storm.  What remains to be seen is how strongly Republicans react to protect the conservative agenda.  Many have already spoken, and there are still plenty of conservatives willing to do the right thing.  Whether they still have sufficient influence in these times remains to be seen.

26 Responses to “Not generally, no.”

  1. Some good reporting by The New Yorker on this.

    How come Fox & Friends, Breitbart or other new media do any work on this? Because Moore was their buddy, that’s why!

    There’s a reason why you have a need for real media, with reporters and editors. Stuff that you have to pay something for.

    This past weekend, I spoke or messaged with more than a dozen people—including a major political figure in the state—who told me that they had heard, over the years, that Moore had been banned from [ an Alabama shopping mall ] because he repeatedly badgered teen-age girls. Some say that they heard this at the time, others in the years since. These people include five members of the local legal community, two cops who worked in the town, several people who hung out at the mall in the early eighties, and a number of former mall employees.

  2. When ” judge ” Moore said “Not generally, no” or that “ I never dated any girl without the permission of her mother” he basically admitted to all the charges.

    I met up with a friend from Alabama last night. That second statement was very disturbing to her. It’s OK to be ” Chester the Molester ” if a trusting, naive mother gives you ” permission ” to bang the 14 year old.

    Ah, I’m sure that the usual suspects will have some fine explanations.

    Uranium One diversions, ye fakes, phonies and frauds?

  3. //A candidate’s fitness for office may not be an ultimate consideration for Alabama voters //

    Fitness for office can mean different things. It can mean simply the ability to do the job properly for the benfit of all; like if your bank manager is good at advising you and good at investing your $$, regardless of where he puts his hands in his free time.

    The moral behaviour of a politician may make him “unfit for office” in the eyes of many people, but I’d say you’d be hard pressed to notice the difference in the work results of such a man from those of someone who keeps his hands to himself. It certainly looks like the people in the US would prefer an incompetent paragon of virtue over a competent cad.

    The accusations in this case do have the ring of truth to them, as they come from different sources and show certain similarities. IMO, however, this fad is all getting – can I say ? – out of hand. The latest today is several women complaining about the 93-yr-old George Bush Snr putting a hand on their respective bums while sitting in his wheelchair and being photographed. One of them was even smiling throughout as she related this funny incident, but that didn’t stop her from suddenly – but belatedly – feeling violated or whatever as soon as the sexual-exploitation waggon started rolling.

  4. Adding to the story comes not just creepy atempts at association, but now unwanted advances. As we saw with Weinstein, Cosby, Spacey, Bill Cinton, and Anthony Weiner

    Indeed, however you’re missing someone there. Maybe ‘moving like a bitch’ and ‘trying to fuck’ your married television co-host isn’t considered an unwanted advance?

  5. Noel

    There may be some overreach, but generally I think that this is healthy.

    It is not to me in any way prudish to want to shine a very bright light on those men who abuse their power against the young and vulnerable in this way.

    And now this entire discussion leads to renewed conversation about the credible charges of rape against Bill Clinton, in an Op Ed piece in the NYT of all places, I Believe Juanita

    Of the Clinton accusers, the one who haunts me is Broaddrick. The story she tells about Clinton recalls those we’ve heard about Weinstein. She claimed they had plans to meet in a hotel coffee shop, but at the last minute he asked to come up to her hotel room instead, where he raped her. Five witnesses said she confided in them about the assault right after it happened. It’s true that she denied the rape in an affidavit to Paula Jones’s lawyers, before changing her story when talking to federal investigators. But her explanation, that she didn’t want to go public but couldn’t lie to the F.B.I., makes sense. Put simply, I believe her.

  6. Mere caddish behavior is not necessarily disqualifying. To me, criminal type behavior should be.

  7. Yes

    Louis CK does not equal alleged rapist Weinstein

    Bad show but not the same thing

  8. That Louis CK thing seemed creepy to me.

  9. Points taken.

    And when I said “the people in the US would prefer an incompetent paragon of virtue over a competent cad”, I should have added that in the present White House they now have the worst of both worlds.

  10. Very creepy yes

  11. very well written Post Mahons, the comment section is goofy but one must consider the commentors.

    This is a Special Election to replace sessions whether Moore is unfit or not is up to the voters of Alabama.

    Moore has been tried and convicted already by the Press and McConnell has not only convicted him but has carried out sentence on him. Whether he is guilty or not he’s ruined.

    You ask the question at the end of your post: What remains to be seen is how strongly Republicans react to protect the conservative agenda. You won’t see any reaction at this time. The RINO brigade has and is doing everything to persecute Moore from the seats of power, no one that already holds office is going out on the limb for the inbreed and that leaves the people of Alabama to decide, that’s it.

    It would be fun to watch him win just to see how the elected react after they have tried and convicted the man without a trial.

  12. Mahons, on November 14th, 2017 at 1:45 PM Said:

    That Louis CK thing seemed creepy to me.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/09/arts/television/louis-ck-sexual-misconduct.html

    In 2002, a Chicago comedy duo, Dana Min Goodman and Julia Wolov, landed their big break: a chance to perform at the U.S. Comedy Arts Festival in Aspen, Colo. When Louis C.K. invited them to hang out in his hotel room for a nightcap after their late-night show, they did not think twice. The bars were closed and they wanted to celebrate. He was a comedian they admired. The women would be together. His intentions seemed collegial.

    As soon as they sat down in his room, still wrapped in their winter jackets and hats, Louis C.K. asked if he could take out his penis, the women said.

    They thought it was a joke and laughed it off. “And then he really did it,” Ms. Goodman said in an interview with The New York Times. “He proceeded to take all of his clothes off, and get completely naked, and started masturbating.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/10/arts/television/louis-ck-statement.html?action=click&contentCollection=Middle%20East&module=Trending&version=Full&region=Marginalia&pgtype=article

    The complete statement from Louis C.K. appears below:

    I want to address the stories told to The New York Times by five women named Abby, Rebecca, Dana, Julia who felt able to name themselves and one who did not. These stories are true. At the time, I said to myself that what I did was O.K. because I never showed a woman my dick without asking first, which is also true. But what I learned later in life, too late, is that when you have power over another person, asking them to look at your dick isn’t a question. It’s a predicament for them.

    Seriously, I don’t know whether to laugh or cry at a jew who ‘white-guilts’ his audience and who actually does what he says he intends to do in front of silly white women – it’s quite hilarious. When he’s on a roll, he’s very good.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cuQTGKD01M

    Smedley Butler
    1 year ago (edited)
    He sounds like a race baiting jew… oh wait…

  13. Is Jeff Sessions a RINO? I ask because he too has come out against Moore.

  14. The rather strange nondenial denial by Alabama Senate Candidate Moore kind of sealed the deal for me.

    What nonsense is this? Roy Moore flat-out denied these commie lies.

    That Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell have come out against Moore is a pretty good indicator that this is deep politics and nothing else.

  15. The lies include allegations from a woman who voted for Trump. And his denial was anything but flat out.

  16. Mahons –

    “I want to make it perfectly clear, the people of Alabama know me, they know my character, they know what I’ve stood for in the political world for over 40 years. And I can tell you without hesitation this is absolutely false,” Moore told reporters without taking questions.

    He added: “I never did what she said I did. I don’t even know the woman. I don’t know anything about her. I don’t even know where the restaurant is or was.”

    – Roy Moore

    That’s a denial.

    You have allegations made 40 years after the supposed event, just before an election. You have a woman saying that Moore activated child locks to keep her in a car, even though child locks hadn’t been invented. You have Gloria Allred back on the scene. You have Ryan and McConnell wading in.

    The evidence so far suggests this is a deep state hit.

  17. He said something quite different, and more evasive when speaking to GOP flunky Sean Hannity.

  18. so full of bull petem
    if he’s a white, rascist scumbag he’s not guilty, “its all lies” , you’ll cringe for him
    same guy if he was a left/lib = kiddie fiddler, pervie, commie, degenerate, hollywood

    Justice don’t work that way pal, in has no respect to persons.
    AND
    frankly your naked bi-partisanship has becoming very boring ..
    you make a serious site into a joke !

  19. You have a woman saying that Moore activated child locks to keep her in a car, even though child locks hadn’t been invented. You have Gloria Allred back on the scene. You have Ryan and McConnell wading in.

    The first point…..

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_safety_lock

    Child safety locks are built into the rear doors of most cars to prevent rear seat passengers from opening the doors both during transit and while the vehicle is stationary; vehicles have been built with this feature since the early 1980s.

    If that’s the case then it’s definitely a set-up. Noteworthy is the appearance of Gloria Allred who was the driver of the Trump-related hoaxes during the election campaign. The fact that Moore is so anti-abortion whilst Allred considers herself to be one of the architects of this disaster points towards a set-up.

    Is there any evidence prior to this electoral campaign of Moore having been a sex-pest or worse? There’s nothing better than seeing a fake Christian brought down from his pulpit. Conversely, if Moore is clean then those accusers deserve imprisonment. I see that the source of the accusations is the WaPo, one of the ‘intelligence community’s’ a favourite outlet

  20. Pete – since you are well known here for being objective and truthful I can only imagine that you inadvertently missed his other statements.

  21. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-20/cia-washington-post-and-russia-what-youre-not-being-told

    Given this historical relationship, it’s no surprise that the Post and CIA have worked together in more recent decades.

    In the 1990s, then-CIA Director Bill Casey appointed a man named Max Hugel as chief of the clandestine service, a small department within the CIA. But some agents disagreed with the appointment. Weiner explained:

    “They dug up dirt on him, fed it to the Washington Post, and forced him out in less than two months.”

    Whether or not the Post knew it was being used as a tool of intrigue by agents within the CIA is of little consequence. At best, they acted as “useful idiots” for schemers within the agency; at best, they knowingly aided the internal machinations of a spy agency.

  22. The WaPo has long been known as the CIA’s in-house journal. These allegations came about when a WaPo “reporter” apparently “overheard someone” say “something” about Moore.

    At the moment it’s pretty thin stuff.

  23. The Washington Post broke the story but other journalists are now reporting on it. See the New Yorker article in which people in his county knew he was a sleazebag. Sessions was DA of the county and one would be careful to say anything negative about the DA, especially in Alabama.

    The reports indicate a man of deficient character and many voters are rightfully reluctant to vote for a person of low character to any position and most certainly not US Senator.

    He will either be forced out by the powers that be in his party or remain and split the vote with a write-in candidate of his party. The Democrat seems like a fine man with an impressive record and would certainly make a better Senator than the cradle-robber.

  24. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ef889d6d5d16ab0c4283862e4eceba0fef57ab46e090606469a9592259e3cb16.jpg

  25. John Swinton obviously worked for the Daily Lie Mail and the sExpress at some time.

  26. Et tu, Charlie Rose?

    This thing is never going to end.

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