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BOOM (1): MOST BRITONS EXPECT BREXIT TO END BADLY

By Pete Moore On December 6th, 2017

BOOM (2): We still want Brexit

God is an Englishman of course, but sometimes we’re just great all on our own.

British voters increasingly think Brexit is being mishandled. But that doesn’t mean they’re turning their backs on the idea of abandoning the European Union — just on Prime Minister Theresa May’s Conservative government.

A report by the National Centre For Social Research published Wednesday found that 52 percent of people believe the country will get a bad deal, compared to 37 percent in February, a month before May began divorce proceedings […]

The survey found little change in people’s attitude to Brexit itself.

I said in here, before the referendum, that I would vote to leave the EU even if I thought it would do economic harm. I would not regret my vote even if it affected my job. That might surprise some, but we Brexiteers are principled. We cannot be bought. Some things are worth more than mere trade, travel and a neighbour called Bogdan.

The prospect of bequeathing a free, independent and self-governing country to our descendants is beyond any price. If (when) the Tories screw it up, no matter. Forever is a long time to rectify their ineptitude.

26 Responses to “BOOM (1): MOST BRITONS EXPECT BREXIT TO END BADLY”

  1. I said in here, before the referendum, that I would vote to leave the EU even if I thought it would do economic harm. I would not regret my vote even if it affected my job. That might surprise some, but we Brexiteers are principled. We cannot be bought. Some things are worth more than mere trade, travel and a neighbour called Bogdan.

    Seconded.

  2. How does she feel now about her decision on 23 June?

    “I feel horrified with myself that I was so gullible,” she says heavily. “I feel ashamed.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/25/protest-vote-regret-voting-leave-brexit

    A EU referendum electoral manifesto promise for 2019?

  3. // 52 percent of people believe the country will get a bad deal,//

    But how can that be; did not the democratically elected leader say that “no deal is better than a bad deal”?
    Don’t tell me the people were fooled yet again.

    //“I feel horrified with myself that I was so gullible,” she says heavily. “I feel ashamed.”//

    They are all gullible; probably most of them also believed Liam Fox when he said that a UK-EU trade deal would be “the easiest deal in history”.

    As Gerry Rafferty sang about another foolish optimist in London:

    “You used to think it would be so easy,
    You used to say it would be so easy,
    But you’re trying, you’re trying now”

    You can speak for yourself, Pete. But if you had put that option to a vote last year, the people would have willingly stayed in the EU, even switched to the Euro, started driving on the right-hand side of the road and eating properly – anything to avoid loss of the strong economy Britain was enjoying at the time.

  4. Petem thanks for thread
    Can I suggest ne Ulster as a good place to relocate if you were unfortunate to lose your job. They would rather be poor living off hand outs from London but Bratish. They’d welcome you with open arms .

  5. Petem thanks for thread
    Can I suggest ne Ulster as a good place to relocate if you were unfortunate to lose your job. They would rather be poor living off hand outs from London but Bratish. They’d welcome you with open arms .

  6. They are all gullible; probably most of them also believed Liam Fox when he said that a UK-EU trade deal would be “the easiest deal in history”.

    Indeed Noel. The most glaring example of both the gullibility of the Leave voter and the subterfuge of the Leave campaign was suggesting that the European Economic Association could be an alternative to the Euro single market:

    “Single market access without ‘political union’ is secured under the EEA option.” Business for
    Britain, ‘Change or Go’, 17 July 2015

    http://lawyers-inforbritain.uk/b-m-a/the-norway-eea-option/

    While at the same time shouting how they would take back control of borders etc.

    The free movement of persons is one of the core rights guaranteed in the European Economic Area (EEA), the extended Internal Market which unites all the EU Member States and three EEA EFTA States – Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway. It is perhaps the most important right for individuals, as it gives citizens of the 31 EEA countries the opportunity to live, work, establish business and study in any of these countries

    http://www.efta.int/eea/policy-areas/persons

    Not only would such a move not have stopped the free movement of twent eight member country citizens but would have actually increased free movent to another three EEA member countries

  7. Jude,

    One third of Ulster will still be in the EU.

    Noel is IIRC, like Seimi and I, of good Ulster stock.

  8. paul I couldn’t get NE on the mobile phone ( Ulster ) see my 11:39
    saying petem would be most welcome in Antrim areas like balleymena
    petem you like walks , they do that over there, nice walks in the summer months
    family day out visiting neighbours, very friendly and community based .
    sorta thing you might like , see the countryside, be with fellow loyal Brats
    all white proud patriots, what’s not to like .
    meet allan at weekends for resistance training sessions
    send us a post card ..

  9. The true Ulster is to be found in Cavan, Noel may have said.

  10. IMO Donegal is not only the most beautiful county in Ulster but the most beautiful county in all of Ireland.

  11. petem wouldn’t like those places too many commies, not enuf patriots/Brats/loyalists!

  12. I’ve made a short visit to the Letterkenny area, would like to explore more of Donegal, perhaps by bike on the Wild Atlantic Way cycling/hiking path.

  13. see the countryside, be with fellow loyal Brats

    Us that lived in the countryside were all thick farmers yesterday?

    Make you mind up. 😉

  14. only you Harri, only you 🙂
    easily fixed if you bought yourself a dictionary:
    Harri start by defining an elite, contrast that with an elected official.
    what did you discover?

  15. jude, on December 7th, 2017 at 1:02 PM Said:

    only you Harri, only you
    easily fixed if you bought yourself a dictionary:
    Harri start by defining an elite, contrast that with an elected official.
    what did you discover?

    A lot more than you obviously 😉

  16. Harri start by defining an elite, contrast that with an elected official.
    what did you discover?

  17. Harri do you know what an election is ?

  18. Harri do you know what “words” are?

  19. 😁😁😁

  20. //Not only would such a move not have stopped the free movement of twent eight member country citizens but would have actually increased free movent to another three EEA member countries //

    Yep, I believe Pete was also promoting the EEA option around and after the Brexit vote.
    You don’t hear too much of that any more.

  21. Here you are Noel:

    Pete Moore, on June 20th, 2016 at 9:48 PM Said:

    Phantom –

    The EU has no say in it. Membership of the European Economic Area (which is seperate from the EU) gives us full access to the entire market

    […] It also means that you have to allow the freedom of movement of all EEA members citizens to live and work in the EEA area thus increasing the current potential of movement from 27 now in the EU to 30 in the EEA:

    I particularly liked this:

    Pete Moore, on June 20th, 2016 at 10:07 PM Said:

    Paul –

    On all this reciprocal healthcare stuff (etc). It’s a matter of national law in each country. The laws exist. Brexit wouldn’t make them unexist. Brexit will not invalidate a single Brussels-inspired law made in the past decades. It won;t unwind a thing.
    We’d only see a divergence in the future long term as the UK and EU slowly go on slightly diverging roads.

    http://www.atangledweb.org/?p=63869

    How things change now the silk glove reveals the steel hand eh?

  22. What, Pete Moore once said all that?

    “We’d only see a divergence in the future long term as the UK and EU slowly go on slightly diverging roads.”

    What???

    “[…] It also means that you have to allow the freedom of movement of all EEA members citizens to live and work in the EEA area thus increasing the current potential of movement from 27 now in the EU to 30 in the EEA:”

    WHAT????

  23. “[…] It also means that you have to allow the freedom of movement of all EEA members citizens to live and work in the EEA area thus increasing the current potential of movement from 27 now in the EU to 30 in the EEA:”

    That was my comment to Pete regarding the EEA Noel.

    The first quote was Pete’s (read the link you lazy shite)

  24. clock ticking
    Cabinet minister Chris Grayling said there would always be “to-ing and fro-ing” when a deadline was approaching. Latest is they have until midnight sunday , ominously the DUP have said this could creep into january. Not looking good. There’s many wishing for a NO deal, and i think they are going to get it . Just about every other responsible org says this will be a disaster for Britain with the uncertainty surrounding a no deal. But we heard it here , those that want the No Deal don’t care about that. Identity politics over-riding what’s best . Now what does that remind me of? selah

  25. Noel –

    Explaining something is not the same thing as promoting it.

  26. Wonderful news..

    BREAKING: PM ‘very close’ to agreeing Irish border Brexit deal

    THERESA May is “very close” to securing a Brexit deal for the Irish border, according to reports.

    Reuters has quoted a senior Irish official as saying the negotiations between Westminster, Dublin and Stormont are “moving quickly” and could be concluded in a matter of “hours”.

    Speaking at a British Irish Chamber of Commerce event in Brussels, the official said: “It is moving quite quickly at the moment. Negotiations are continuing.

    “I think we are going to work over the next couple of hours with the UK government to close this off. I say hours because I think we are very close.”

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/889516/brexit-irish-border-latest-news-theresa-may-very-close-agreeing-deal

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