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WHO BENEFITS?

By Pete Moore On March 8th, 2018

So a Russian traitor, Sergei Skripal, was attacked with a nerve agent in Salisbury. It’s a rum do all round. Salisbury isn’t the kind of place you’d associate with that.

HM Gutter Press is sure that Putin ordered the hit on a man who once passed secrets to MI6. Maybe he did. You can understand “Russians” being suspected, given what he did. Plus there’s the murder of Alexander Litvinenko in London, whose cuppa was laced with polonium. A public inquiry into that found that it was a Russian hit, probably ordered by Putin. What evidence they had for that goodness knows.

So yes, Putin might have ordered it. But if so, why? (Are we allowed to ask such questions without a great triggering?)

The Russians had Skripal. He was imprisoned before being released as part of a swap deal, which is how he ended up here. There’s no point in trying to silence him. He’s already spilled everything he knows. Unless someone else tried to silence Skripal, who was close to Christopher Steele, author of the infamously fake dossier, which the Clintons and DNC paid for handsomely …

It’s a very murky business.

44 Responses to “WHO BENEFITS?”

  1. Of course, it’s all so as plain as day, MI5, MI6, or Homeland security, have never assassinated anyone.

    😏

    It’s the Russians, It’s the Russians.

    They are under the bed, they are… everywhere!!.

  2. Watch out , here come the Putin brown nosers 😕

  3. They exonerated Putin the minute that they heard of this.

    Putey Pute is the one innocent man in world politics, in their eyes.

  4. So yes, Putin might have ordered it. But if so, why?

    Revenge? punishment? warning?

    “I don’t wish death on anyone, but for purely educational purposes, I have a warning for anyone who dreams of such a career,” he said.

    “The profession of a traitor is one of the most dangerous in the world,” Kleimenov said, adding that few who had chosen it had lived to a ripe old age. Alcoholism, drug addiction, stress and depression resulting in heart attacks and even suicide were the “professional illnesses of a traitor” […]

    “traitors or those who simply hate their country in their free time”: “Don’t choose Britain as a place to live.” “Something is wrong there. Maybe it’s the climate, but in recent years there have been too many strange incidents with grave outcomes there.”

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-43330498

  5. They exonerated Putin the minute that they heard of this.

    Putey Pute is the one innocent man in world politics, in their eyes.

    I don’t think so.

    Apparently, and according to a Russian expert on LBC, once Putin gained power, he called in all the oligarchs, and told them, it’s gulag, or half your entire wealth.

    He’s a politician, sounds about right.

    Putin would fit right in with the Brussels goons.

  6. Me: “Maybe he did … So yes, Putin might have ordered it.”

    Phantom/Colm: “Putin brown nosers have exonerated him.”

    Sigh

  7. Pete

    What do you think of the TV announcer’s comments, as forwarded by Paul

  8. You said I exonerated Putin. You were wrong.

  9. //Putin might have ordered it. But if so, why? //

    Skripal may have become active again, or continued his spook activities, like recruiting Russian immigrants in the UK to go back to Russia on her majesty’s secret service.

    He was also active as a spy during Putin’s time as KGB boss. He may have had some direct dirt on Putin.

    It could also have been one of the many Russian agents in the UK that he shopped all those years ago wanting to settle scores.

    One strange bit is that the assassin failed. You’d imagine that a Russian agent at that level would know how to kill someone with sarin.

  10. Revenge sends a useful message. Especially since the guy had served A purpose in the swap.

  11. What evidence they had for that goodness knows.

    There was no evidence that Putin ordered anything on Litvinenko but it does get anti-Russian stuff moving. Nonetheless, there’s no doubt that troublesome Russians are killed by assassins and I doubt that Putin would veto any selection. This article raises some strange questions on a strange affair……

    http://tapnewswire.com/2018/03/litvinenkos-revelations-about-the-eu-never-made-mainstream-media/

    It seems highly significant that Russia’s presidential elections are due to take place later this month. What better way to smear the expected electoral victory of incumbent president Vladimir Putin than to accuse the Kremlin of carrying out an assassination plot on British soil against a former Russian spy?

    Think about it. The timing of such an alleged plot would be ludicrous from a Russian point of view. Why would a has-been Russian agent who has been living quietly and undisturbed for nearly a decade in England be targeted on the eve of Russia’s presidential elections by Kremlin avengers? That doesn’t make any sense.

    Given the way of Russians, they would be more inclined to vote for a President who apparently has the cojones to order the killing of a traitor in an enemy country.

    Given their inveterate anti-Russian agenda, the British authorities have much more vested interest in seeing Skripal poisoned than the Kremlin ever would.And while we are in “who done it?” mode, another important possible lead is this: if Venomous Agent X (VX) was used to harm the former Russian spy, the perpetrators would have had a convenient source by which to carry out their deed.

    Britain’s top secret chemical weapons laboratory at Porton Down is only six miles away from the location in Salisbury where Skripal and his daughter were apparently attacked last Sunday afternoon. Porton Down is the laboratory where VX was originally synthesized in the 1950s. It remains one of the most deadly chemical weapons ever made. And it is as British as afternoon tea.

    The first question that occurred to me was ‘where would the killers get such a chemical’, and there’s the answer. And as Noel asks above, how can the victims still be alive? Even a droplet of that stuff is fatal.

  12. Noel,

    One strange bit is that the assassin failed. You’d imagine that a Russian agent at that level would know how to kill someone with sarin.

    What’s so strange about that, lots of assassination attempts fail. How many times did the US intelligence agencies try and kill Castro for instance.

  13. So yes, Putin might have ordered it. But if so, why? (Are we allowed to ask such questions without a great triggering?)

    Putinistas channel the Putin line. Shock.

    And if it’s proved, the second trench is the one called “So what?” We will be told that this “traitor” deserved to die, as did his daughter.

    I am waiting for Trump to spout on this. Oh wait, he has yet to tweet anything critical of Putin, in 10 years of ten tweets a day. Strange that.

  14. Flash; Kim Jong Un extends invite to President Trump. Trump says “We’ll see.”

    !!

  15. Here is Russian stae TV denouncing “traitors”:

    “For days, Russia’s main national TV channels were practically silent on the attempt to kill former spy Sergei Skripal with a nerve agent, but this changed in Wednesday’s main evening bulletins. The comment by Kirill Kleimenov – the presenter on government-controlled Channel One’s flagship Vremya news programme – sounded like a veiled, mocking threat to anyone considering becoming a double agent for Britain.

    “I don’t wish death on anyone [yeah right], but for purely educational purposes, I have a warning for anyone who dreams of such a career,” he said. “The profession of a traitor is one of the most dangerous in the world,” Kleimenov said, adding that few who had chosen it had lived to a ripe old age.”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-43330498

  16. “Russia has dismissed suggestions linking Moscow with the incident. Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov called Mr Skripal’s illness a “tragic situation” but said “we don’t have any information” – and added that Moscow was open to co-operating with British police if requested. In a statement, the Russian embassy in London said: “Media reports create an impression of a planned operation by the Russian special services, which is completely untrue.”

    LOL
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43315636

  17. The Russians kill people left and right in GB, and what has GB done about it?

  18. The Russians kill people left and right in GB, and what has GB done about it?

    Patrick

    Nothing so far, and if the Putinistas get their way it will still be nothing. See Pete Moore and Allan above. For them, Putin is the saviour of the world. Even when he murders he is murdering for the right reason and his victims deserve to die.

  19. sad very sad Peter.

  20. //lots of assassination attempts fail. How many times did the US intelligence agencies try and kill Castro for instance.//

    Dave, probably the president of a besieged country who knew he was a target was better protected than a man out for a meal with his daughter.

    Do you think Skripal had bodyguards around him in the restaurant?
    The assassin was able to get beside him without being noticed, had a lethal weapon and a completely unprotected target and had the surprise factor completely on his side. There were also no doctors around.

    It definiely looks like sheer incompetence, and any assassin who fails on such an easy job should take up sewing.

  21. It certainly wouldn’t be the first time that Russia has sent an incompetent assassin. I love this quote from Tito’s letters to uncle Joe Stalin:

    Stop sending people to kill me! We’ve already captured five of them, one of them with a bomb and another with a rifle… If you don’t stop sending killers, I’ll send a very fast working one to Moscow and I certainly won’t have to send another

    https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Josip_Broz_Tito

    Apparently no more killers were sent!

  22. Paul, or like De Gaulle (who was at one time the most shot at politician in the world) once said: “As long as the incompetence of my bodyguards is matched by the incompetence of my assassins, I’m safe”

  23. Dave Alton, on March 8th, 2018 at 11:52 PM Said:

    Noel,

    One strange bit is that the assassin failed. You’d imagine that a Russian agent at that level would know how to kill someone with sarin.

    What’s so strange about that….?

    But this is very strange:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VX_(nerve_agent)

    Toxicology[edit]

    VX is a “particularly toxic nerve agent”. The potentially fatal dose is only slightly higher than the dose having any effect at all, and the effects of a fatal dose are so rapid that there is little time for treatment.[4] The median lethal dose (LD50)—the exposure required to kill half of a tested population—as estimated for 70 kg human males via exposure to the skin is reported to be 10 mg (0.00035 oz),

    How can it be that, with such a deadly toxin, only that tiny amount that would cause symptons was administered when a really, really tiny amount more would have been fatal?

  24. How can it be that, with such a deadly toxin, only that tiny amount that would cause symptons was administered when a really, really tiny amount more would have been fatal?

    ç

    Because you are assumimg that the most toxic of nerve agents was used when in fact the substance has yet to be identified?

    Police have not confirmed what agent was used, but a source has told the BBC it was likely to be rarer than sarin or VX nerve agents – two of the best known.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/health-43328976

  25. Colm Said – “Watch out , here come the Putin brown nosers’

    Colm, don’t forget that our esteemed host is paid to shill for Russia and its expansionist policies by the Kremlin via its international propaganda channel.

    If the simmering hostilities between the west and Russia ever heat up into a larger conflagration, these 5th columnists may be scrutinised in an unfavourable manner by our intelligence and security services…

  26. so you’re calling David Vance a Fifth Columnist?

    lmao…. another “thinker” joins the conversation…. god that’s just to good.

  27. It’s remarkable how Putin’s enemies in Britain die in mysterious circumstances:

    Alexander Litvinenko
    Boris Berezovsky
    Alexander Perepilichnyy

    Maybe this time, the police will actually do their job?

    https://edition.cnn.com/2018/03/06/europe/russia-deaths-uk-intl/index.html

  28. Because you are assumimg that the most toxic of nerve agents was used when in fact the substance has yet to be identified?

    Hmmm….. it must be the diluted version then?

    British Bernard, on March 9th, 2018 at 7:29 PM Said:

    Colm Said – “Watch out , here come the Putin brown nosers’

    Colm, don’t forget that our esteemed host is paid to shill for Russia and its expansionist policies by the Kremlin via its international propaganda channel.

    If the simmering hostilities between the west and Russia ever heat up into a larger conflagration, these 5th columnists may be scrutinised in an unfavourable manner by our intelligence and security services…

    Seriously, calling the custodian of the site a shill and 5th columnist is beyond whatever the recently dumped garbage ever did. One must surely find it curious that, in the few days after the political Establishment is declaring Russia as a threat and an enemy, this little event happens – very timely. It’s not beyond the Russians to do this but one would surely expect them to make such moves when it would be less visible?

  29. Hmmm….. it must be the diluted version then?

    Police have not confirmed what agent was used, but a source has told the BBC it was likely to be rarer than sarin or VX nerve agents – two of the best known.

    There are antidotes for nerve agents, such as oxime and atropine, both of which are used in military devices that deliver quick shots to victims. The antidotes are particularly effective against VX and sarin, but they must be given soon after exposure to work.

    Chris Morris, a medical toxicologist at Newcastle University, said: “If the symptoms can be controlled until the agent is removed then recovery is good. With the type of supportive care given in these cases, there may be minimal long term effects if treatment was rapid and effective.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/07/what-do-nerve-agents-do-and-how-hard-are-they-to-make-sergei-skripal

    Do you have any basis for your seemingly automatic assumption that the most toxic nerve agent was used?

  30. It’s not beyond the Russians to do this but one would surely expect them to make such moves when it would be less visible?

    Allan

    They have got away with previous murders and they are openly mocking the UK this week. It’s time we stood up for ourselves and showed them the door. A good start would be to sanction the Putinista corruptocrats who own UK property by taking it off them. The new law allows for confiscation in the case of unexplained wealth, which is meant to hit drug dealers but which acn be applied to all of them. They stole money in Russia and bought property in London. It’s that simple.

  31. A good start would be to sanction the Putinista corruptocrats who own UK property by taking it off them.

    Like, say, Roman Abramovich?

  32. Yeah, why not?

  33. Good.

    So Chelsea’s trophies since 2005 are illegitimate, the result of corruption and financial doping, and they should all be scrubbed from the record book.

  34. No Pete

  35. But cheer up. At least Arsenal’s lack of trophies since 2005 will not be under suspicion.

  36. Three out of the last four FA Cups. Most clubs would love our lack of trophies.

  37. Nothing to see here, please move along:

    “The Estonian branch of Danske Bank, Denmark’s biggest bank, closed the accounts of several companies in 2013 after realizing they had been used by a member of Vladimir Putin’s family and Russia’s intelligence service, the FSB, to launder huge amounts of money, according to a leaked report.

    A whistleblower had informed the bank’s Executive Board that the anti-money laundering procedures at its Estonia branch had completely failed and that the bank may “have committed a criminal offense” by aiding a company that had made several suspicious transactions and whose actual owners “included the Putin family and the FSB.”

    https://www.occrp.org/en/investigations/7698-report-russia-laundered-billions-via-danske-bank-estonia

  38. Most clubs would love our lack of trophies.

    Yes, but not the elite clubs. Arsenal have lost their membership of that group, which is why the fans have wanted the manager to leave for at least the last three years.

  39. Premier League winners list. Arsenal are last mentioned in 2004:

    1993 Manchester United
    1994 Manchester United
    1995 -Blackburn Rovers
    1996 Manchester United
    1997 Manchester United
    1998 Arsenal
    1999 Manchester United
    2000 Manchester United
    2001 Manchester United
    2002 Arsenal
    2003 Manchester United
    2004 -Arsenal
    2005 Chelsea
    2006 Chelsea
    2007 Manchester United
    2008 Manchester United
    2009 Manchester United
    2010 Chelsea
    2011 Manchester United
    2012 Manchester City
    2013 -Manchester United
    2014 -Manchester City
    2015 Chelsea
    2016 *-Leicester City
    2017 -Chelsea

  40. Quite misleading.

    Arsenal and Man Utd are the only two clubs capable of sustaining themselves in the elite under their own steam. Liverpool have long dropped away, Tottenham will never be there and Chelsea and Citeh are financially doped.

  41. Bring back Jude 1 week ban enough

  42. “I write in The Sun this morning that anyone capable of getting hold of the nerve agent used was capable of killing him in a far more subtle manner – with no witnesses and nothing in CCTV. Whoever carried out the attack on Skripal wanted to send a message. They wanted to prove that enemies of Russia are not safe wherever they may be. They also wanted to highlight Western impotence; to show how the liberal democratic world struggles to deal with attacks that come wrapped in a cloak of deniability.

    It is currently hard to escape the conclusion that the UK government’s passivity in the face of Alexander Litvinenko’s murder has emboldened Putin’s friends to carry out another attack in Britain. This time it must be different. The UK needs to make clear that Russia will pay a price for this kind of behaviour.

    We should use social media to spread the word in Russia about just how rich Putin, his family and his cronies are. Ahead of the Russian elections later this month, Putin released details of his wealth. They suggested he had around £175,000 in the bank, some shares in a bank, a flat and a few sportscars. But considering that his son in law had to essentially give away close to $2 billion worth of shares when he broke up with Putin’s daughter, it is safe to assume his real worth is massively more than this.

    Getting this information out there in Russia would embarrass Putin. Combine this with far sharper sanctions on his associates, allies and enablers and his gang would think twice about letting people carry out assassination attempts on British soil.”

    https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/03/with-240-potential-witnesses-were-skripals-poisoners-trying-to-send-a-message/

  43. Do you have any basis for your seemingly automatic assumption that the most toxic nerve agent was used?

    yes – we are told that it was an attempt to kill, so why not make sure?

    A good start would be to sanction the Putinista corruptocrats who own UK property by taking it off them.

    Yes – but wouldn’t that also net British corruptocrats and make things a bit embarrassing? But in any case, a limit should be set on how rich any person should be and anything above that should simply be confiscated – starting with (((Russians)))

  44. Yes – we are told that it was an attempt to kill, so why not make sure?

    I thought we were told it was an ‘attack?’