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THE BOMBAY MASSACRE…

By ATWadmin On November 27th, 2008

Having murdered more than 100 people, I see that the Islamic terrorists holed up in two of Bombay’s major hotels are now demanding the release of imprisoned associates.

Speaking from inside the Oberoi hotel where at least half a dozen foreigners are being held hostage the man, identifed as Sahadullah, told India TV he belonged to an Indian Islamist group seeking an end to the persecution of Indian Muslims and added: “We want all Mujahideens held in India released and only after that we will release the people.” He said: “There are seven of us inside hotel Oberoi.”

A few points here to consider.

1. Once again, those professing adherence to the Religion of Peace engage in grotesque butchery.

2. Once again, the practise of mass slaughter is a preferred tactic.

3. Once again, the world has a  chance to respond to this Islamic threat. Will we hear from “moderate” Muslim leaders speaking out and castigating those who carried out this massacre of the innocents?

Why is it that Islam, uniquely, seems inextricably linked with such savagery? Why is it that the West seems unable, or unwilling, to face into the precise nature of this problem? It’s nonsense to try and explain all these globalised attacks as the actions of a few fanatics. Would that it were so but it is much more than that – it is a sustained assault on civilisation by Islamic barbarians who seek to impose their dark ages mentality on this rest of us. We resist or we submit.

106 Responses to “THE BOMBAY MASSACRE…”

  1. Stop the ACLU has a lot of good news roundup on this.

    http://www.stoptheaclu.com/archives/2008/11/26/major-terror-attacks-in-india/

    Points being made are that this kind of spectacular, coordinated set of attacks was only possible in a soft security target like India. It is becoming a major battleground now as Hindu fundies (a phenomenon that seems to be unique to India itself) have been targeting Muslims and Christians of late and for once the Muslims have been on the back foot due to sheer numbers. This seems to be proof positive that they don’t, as the saying has it, like it up ’em.

    As DV says, where is the worldwide condemnation from Islamic leaders? These attacks have systematically and deliberately targeted westerners (particularly British and Americans) for execution and hostage-taking, therefore pretending that the violently anti-american and anti-british rhetoric of the leaders of multiple Islamic countries is unrelated is ridiculous.

    The eldest went to a mosque as part of a whistle-stop tour of local religious venues yesterday. I wonder what would have happened if she’d brought these events up at the Q&A? She said the students were far more interested in asking questions and discussing religious tenets with the mosque representative than they were when in either the Church, the Hindu Temple or the Sikh Gurdwara, which seems to suggest that they at least are not burrowing their heads into the sand and trying to pretend that Islam as a religion doesn’t have ‘issues’. A pity that so many of their adult contemparies are so very determined to do so in their stead.

  2. I just got back home last night, switched on the TV and the attacks were being reported on CNN. Feed text was saying that nobody has yet claimed responsibility and so I wondered to myself: who could possibly have perpetrated such an act of massacre and destruction? My first thought was some right-wing American university fraternity stunt gone wrong, then it might have been some bunch of Christians because, as we all know, "Christianity has plenty of blood on its hand". (Monday, November 24, 2008 at 10:39AM | Drunken Cyclist)

    Why don’t the lefties and apologists for islam just admit it: each of you KNEW exactly which doctrine the murderous filth who did this adhere to – didn’t you? I certainly guessed straight away, and it wasn’t my "BNP racism" which aligned my thoughts. In today’s world, muslims are responsible for almost all acts of murderous terrorism.

  3. Ain’t that all the truth A&A. Butchery & blowing people up it’s our little ROP friends behind it.

  4. So, these tossers are seeking an end to the persecution of Muslims in India, why then an attack on British and Americans, it isn’t them persecuting them in India.

  5. The only good ROP follower is a dead ROP follower….

  6. "Christianity has plenty of blood on its hand"

    Read about the Holocaust, Allan.

  7. It was every bit a Christian act as these acts are Muslim acts, in that it wasn’t at all!

  8. How old are you DC ?

  9. Speaking of a war on terrorism and the cultural values held by some cultures, it would be great if ATW covered the reign of terror over two girls by their own father who repeatedly raped them and fathered 19 children by them. It is the story of the moment.

  10. DC, you are a stupid (steady on old son – PM)

    The Holocaust was perpetrated by nazis and nazism is evil. This massacre is perpetrated by evil people who find sufficient evil in their ideology to justify the massacre which they have just perpetrated. It is nothing short of barbarism, and it happened today, now, live, in real-time, and it could have happened anywhere that such evil people with their evil ideology are to be found.

  11. Allan,

    Calm down chum.

  12. Cheers for that Pete.

  13. Drunken, while I do believe that certain, shall we call them, oppurtinistic posters here relish when militant Islam carries out attacks like this, just so they can go, "Oh, look at those Muslims", or other things of that nature, I have to disagree with you when saying that the Holocaust was a Christian Act. This group, the Deccan Mujahideen, follow a twisted view of Islam. The Nazis did not follow a twisted view of Christianity. Hitler once said that Jesus was "the illegitimate son of a jewish whore". Not the words a Christian normally applies to Christ. The majority of the Nazis who planned and carried out the Final Solution, people like Adolf Eichmann, Heinrich Himmler and Reinhard Heydrich were all followers of a Norse Pagan cult, not Christians.

  14. oppurtinistic posters here relish when militant Islam carries out attacks like this, just so they can go, "Oh, look at those Muslims"

    Yes. I actually think attacks like this make some of these people happy. Sad and sick.

    I have to disagree with you when saying that the Holocaust was a Christian Act.

    Well, considering you’re a Catholic nationalist, I thought you would! But take a look at what I actually wrote:

    "It [the Holocaust] was every bit a Christian act as these acts are Muslim acts, in that it wasn’t at all"

    I stand by that. These acts in India are politically (not religiously) motivated. Those pulling the strings need a mythology to rally the troops. In Ireland the "Irish nation" was envoked, for these people it’s Islamic mythology. Both are spurious of course, synically used by people to control others.

    So, I don’t think the Holocaust was a Christian act, but neither do I think these are Islamic acts.

  15. .. neither do I think these are Islamic acts

    You affect to be so pig ignorant that you confuse Christianity with a murderous pagan cult.

    But you are on the other hand so full of learning and subtlety that you can detect when muslims acting in the name of their religion are not being Islamic.

    Three cheers for you.

  16. "So, I don’t think the Holocaust was a Christian act, but neither do I think these are Islamic acts."

    I disagree. I feel many people here want to blame all of Islam for this or believe that it is representive of Islam but that does not mean that these people were not acting in what they view are the interests of Islam. I compare this to the Crusades. The Crusades did have an element of Politics in it, but was also very much so a Christian act. But also, in the same way that I wouldn’t blame the Christian faith for the evil committed in the Crusades, I will not blame Islam for the evil committed by those with a perverted view of Islam.

  17. That’s reasonable view, Seamus. I disagree but what you say is intellectually defensible.

  18. You affect to be so pig ignorant that you confuse Christianity with a murderous pagan cult

    No, I didn’t. Read what was written.

  19. I did read it.

    What pagan cult do these Bombay terrorists belong to ? (Following your analogy)

  20. ATW is plagued by absolute stuck up blind pricks these days.

    You can blame the bloody Inquisition FULLY on catholicism
    You can blame christianity for the crusades
    and you can blame Islam for what’s occuring now
    You can even blame the Jews for bringing about the murder of Christ

    Get over your stupid selves for ONCE.

    All these people die HERE AND NOW and you are busy pontificating over it like a load of stuck up pseudo intellectuals weakly trying to defend the indefensible.

    It may not be what Islam was supposed to be but it sure as shit is what it currently is – just as the Inquisition and Crusades were in their moments in history.

    Has it ever occured to you that christianity and catholicism were once political just as Islam is now? And it was as such that they committed atrocities in their name for political gain? A great many christians continued to live regular lives while others with greater power committed murder, torture and execuition in the name of said religions. It doesn’t change the facts.

    If you continue to excuse it they will never move beyond politicising their religion for the power of the minority at the expense of the rest.

    Pat yourselves on the back for your appauling blind ignorance and nods to the past and the Jews. Yes yes well done. Meanwhile people die bloodily in the here and now and you pontificate over meaningless concerns for a future that will never happen.

    The only people advocating any holocausts and with the power to do so are busy sitting in the centre of a political religion you continually and politically-correctly excuse.

  21. Here we see an examåle of how somebody arguing from the left puts himself beyond reasonable argument. First of all, a question which I put was ignored:

    "Why don’t the lefties and apologists for islam just admit it: each of you KNEW exactly which doctrine the murderous filth who did this adhere to – didn’t you?"

    But it was unanswerable because their case would have been ruined by an honest reply.

    They then argue that – "it isn’t Islam’s fault. It is 100% the fault of terrorists choosing to carry out mass murder and using their religion and/or other ideology as an excuse." (Thursday, November 27, 2008 at 07:04AM | Colm)

    Hmmm…if that isn’t apologism for a murderous doctrine, then what is?

    It’s like arguing: I hate Israel but I like Jews; some of my best friends are Jews so I’m not anti-jewish but I really don’t see why a country whose leadership and ideology demand the extermination of Jews shouldn’t have nuclear weapons.

    On one point, DC might inadvertently be right: islam is political and not just religious, but to a muslim, islam is everything including justification for mass murder. I’d say that a doctrine within which can be found justification and incitement to murder is evil. Here we see the doctrine in action, as its adherents wanted us to see.

  22. Allan – I stopped reading when I saw your foul language which had to be edited by Pete Moore. Do try to behave in future and some people might listen to you.

    Paul – Islam is not monolithic so all you say rests on a false premise. It would be easier if everything fitted into such convenient boxes but alas it ain’t the case.

  23. First, I have read several accounts of crowds cheering the SS in Germany shouting ‘Christ murderers’ at Jews that were being shot or carted away to the camps.

    Second, for those who think that these are just political acts (not that that makes them any more acceptable) should consult the Koran. It gives plenty of encouragement top slaughter the unbelievers. (I accept that the Bible does too, but not quite so insistently.)

  24. DC now who’s being intellectually lazy and invoking Goodwin’s law?

    come…come…..

    Don’t you know that for Islam there is no seperation of religion and politics? And the Nazi fanatics were defeated. AS must these lunatics.

  25. it would be great if ATW covered the reign of terror over two girls by their own father who repeatedly raped them and fathered 19 children by them. It is the story of the moment.

    Thursday, November 27, 2008 at 10:24AM | JP

    Check out <B>welfare statism</B> posted at eight thirty this morning?

    WAKE UP!!

  26. The only one stuffed into any box here DC is you

  27. Well argued, Paul.

  28. That’s what I thought about your original comment DC. ‘Really well’ argued.

    Course I did not. I actually thought it was a load of spurious cheap garbage put about by an idiot.

  29. DC,

    "Islam is not monolithic so all you say rests on a false premise."

    Welcome to rightworld. The way it works here is that if a Christian ever did anything wrong they are not a real Christian, and if a Muslim ever does anything right they are not a real Muslim.

    If she drowns, she’s innocent.

  30. "Why don’t the lefties and apologists for islam just admit it: each of you KNEW exactly which doctrine the murderous filth who did this adhere to – didn’t you?"

    Come on now, you lefties and apologists for islam. Be honest and admit that you knew who the terrorists are as soon as you heard the first reports.

  31. If she drowns, she’s innocent.

    The answer is a duck.

  32. Orlando
    You affect to be so pig ignorant that you confuse Christianity with a murderous pagan cult

    By definition christianity is a murderoues pagan cult

    Pagan:
    1. one of a people or community observing a polytheistic religion, as the ancient Romans and Greeks.
    2. a person who is not a Christian, Jew, or Muslim.
    3. an irreligious or hedonistic person.

    Cult
    1. a particular system of religious worship, esp. with reference to its rites and ceremonies.
    2. an instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, esp. as manifested by a body of admirers: the physical fitness cult.
    3. the object of such devotion.
    4. a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc.
    5. Sociology. a group having a sacred ideology and a set of rites centering around their sacred symbols.
    6. a religion or sect considered to be false, unorthodox, or extremist, with members often living outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader.
    7. the members of such a religion or sect.

    Murderous:
    No definition required 2000 years of history is enough definition

    Definitions by Dictionary.com

  33. Come on now, you lefties and apologists for islam. Be honest and admit that you knew who the terrorists are as soon as you heard the first reports.

    Thursday, November 27, 2008 at 02:44PM | allan@aberdeen

    Of course we did Allen it wouldnt be on this site if it was otherwise

  34. Sean, I’m off to re-read Proverbs 26.

    Bye

  35. "Islam is not monolithic so all you say rests on a false premise."

    True enough, after all Shia and Sunni have been slaughtering each other in the name of *their* particular version of who should lead the faithful for over a millenium…

    "Welcome to rightworld. The way it works here is that if a Christian ever did anything wrong they are not a real Christian,"

    Read the Bible, read the Koran. Thought both were nonsense, but pretty sure I can discern which of the two last night’s events are closer to the repeated urgings of…

    "Of course we did Allen it wouldnt be on this site if it was otherwise"

    Yeah Sean, we at ATW never condemn any other terror groups of different religions such as the IRA or the UVF at all…dickhead.

  36. DSD class befitting yourself

    Judaism 1.0
    Judaism 2.0 Christianity
    Judaism 2.0 Christianity 2.1 Islam
    Judaism 2.0 Christianity 2.2 Mormons
    Judaism 2.0 christianity 2.2.1 ad infinitum

    So many people murdered over different interpretations of the same basic tenets

  37. DSD,

    "Read the Bible, read the Koran. Thought both were nonsense, but pretty sure I can discern which of the two last night’s events are closer to the repeated urgings of…"

    Which part of the Koran urges pulling the holders of British and American passports out of civilian crowds in a third country, and indiscriminate shooting of the rest? Is that in the hadith?

    Wherever it is, it would seem that most Muslims completely ignore it, did so last night, will do so tomorrow, and have been doing so for years.

  38. No doubt some people were rubbing there hands with glee, at the thought of this incident. Another excuse for anti-muslim bigotry to spew forth. But by doing so they have merely illustrated their complete ignorance of Islam. Like other religions there are many denominations and interpretations. Thses fools were most likely Wahabbi or Deobandi madrassa alumni ! But hey, sure lets tar the remaining denominations or 99% of muslims who have enever engaged in violence with the same big brush, because its easy to do so !

  39. OK RS let’s hear from the other 99% expressing their total disgust and outright rejection of this latest bombing. Don’t hold your breath.

    Hitler, the Crusades are ancient and not so ancient history, but the bombings are here and now and always Muslims. It just so happens they are the latest evil to infest the planet.

  40. "It just so happens they are the latest evil to infest the planet."

    Doesn’t your hand ever get tired of holding that big brush Maggie?

  41. Not when I am confronted by stupidity such as yours RS

  42. Maggie, Muslims are not the "latest evil to infest the planet". Some Muslims are committing evil acts. There is an attempt by certain people on this thread to blame the Islamic faith and doctrine for these attacks, rather than certain Muslims interpretation to Islam in the same way that certain people, Atheists for example, try to blame Christian faith and doctrine for things like the Crusades and the Spanish Inqusition.

    Secondly, Ancient History ends with the fall of the the Western Roman Empire in 476AD and both the Crusades and the Holocaust did happen after that so it is factually incorrect to refer to them as Ancient History.

  43. BTW please post all the rejections published by Muslims around the world.

  44. The religion of pieces strikes again. 100 innocent people killed in cold blood. Disgusting.

    I have been to the Taj on two separate occasions. A magnificent building erected by the British at the height of Empire. To sit in one of its restaurants, eating great pasta whilst an Indian pianist on a grand piano belts out instrumentals of songs by the Beatles and Elton John is pleasure at its best.

    Seeing it in flames last night just made me hate the general thrust of Islam that little bit more.

  45. "BTW please post all the rejections published by Muslims around the world."

    The Muslim leader of Afghanistan declared "Terrorism is a tyrant enemy which threatens all of humanity and has challenged the region of South Asia"

    The Muslim Foreign Minister stated "The government of Indonesia strongly condemns the terrorist attacks in Mumbai, India. The terrorist attacks are cruel and inhumane acts. The government of Indonesia conveys its deepest condolences to the government of India and the victims along with their families, and hopes that the perpetrators could be swiftly arrested and be brought to justice"

    It was also condemned by numerous other Islamic countries around the world, including Kuwait and Pakistan.

  46. Maggie, if reading makes me stupid, I’ll take that over your idea of smart any day. If you want to know about radicals, particularly those in the Indian subcontinent, I suggest you read Charles Allen’s ‘God’s Terrorists’. Excellent read.

    Remember Maggie, its a good thing to actually read about matters which affect us in the world today, instead of climbing aboard your soapbox to vent your spleen without any clue of what you speak about.

  47. Well good for them Seamus, must make you and RS feel a lot better.

  48. Maggie, you asked for evidence of Muslims around the world condemning this attack and I gave you quotes from two Islamic governments in the region. It was mirrored by similar quotes from most Islamic countries. There is an attempt to show this as attack by Islam and it isn’t. It is an attack by some Muslims. The open and naked racism and xenophobia from some people here shows maybe why scum like the BNP are doing well.

  49. RS I am reading and watching the news on a daily basis, when I read about people being blown up by a suicide bomber I naturally assume they are members of the BNP …ok duh

  50. Why would that make me feel better Maggie?

  51. "Well good for them Seamus, must make you and RS feel a lot better."

    She gets her answer and still isn’t happy.

  52. Maggie and others claiming that no Muslims have condemned the attacks – have you bothered to look? I spent 2 minutes finding a couple: one, two

  53. An Indian spokesman said on the news this evening that the terrorists were from Pakistan, not India.

  54. Maggie, do you blame all German people for the Holocaust?

    Islamic terror groups are no more representative of all Muslim people than the Christian Nazis were of all Christian German people.

    As for condemnations, it was just lazy of you, or perhaps it did not serve your purposes, to not take about 30 second to find that indeed there is much condemnation from the Muslim world of these latest attacks.

  55. An Indian spokesman said on the news this evening that the terrorists were from Pakistan

    It is a good thing that Barak Obama appears to be one of the few who truly uderstand that Pakistan is the biggest problem the world faces these days.

  56. Islam has a problem with practitioners who interpret it as a justification for murder that no other major religion currently has.

    It is only a minority of Muslims who support the psychotic interpretation of Islam but it is not a tiny minority, judging by surveys which have been carried out in the past to measure muslim support for Al Qaeda and the like.

    That said it is important not to tar all Muslims with the same brush. There are almost certainly doxzens of Muslim victims of this attack and lumping in the victims and the killers in the same category is an insult to the former.

  57. Andrew I knew you were a bullshit artist at the best of times, but this…..

    "I have been to the Taj on two separate occasions. A magnificent building erected by the British at the height of Empire."

    Takes the biscuit.

    Methinks the only Taj Mahal you have been to is your local curry house.

  58. ‘I have been to the Taj on two separate occasions. A magnificent building erected by the British at the height of Empire.’

    It is magnificent, it was built by the British and I have dined (not stayed) there on two occasions: the most recent being when I was in India in November 2007.

    Now what part of your addled Fenian brain do those facts disturb?

  59. Andrew,

    Did you know that ‘Fenians’ in Northern Ireland by far outperform the NI Unionist and Emglish, Welsh and Scottish students at all levels of academia?

  60. Right so it wasn’t built by JN Tata in 1903 who was a Parsi industrialist?

  61. Ross,

    "Islam has a problem with practitioners who interpret it as a justification for murder that no other major religion currently has."

    It would be more accurate to say that variants of Islam have currently got this problem, and no other major religion currently has it on the same scale.

    And judging by the comments of ‘British Barry’ on the other thread, it’s important to be accurate.

    And of course it depends how you define ‘currently’. During the election campaign, the 1960s was considered close enough. So here for example is a story I read yesterday about some Baptist terrorists from 1981.

  62. ‘Right so it wasn’t built by JN Tata in 1903 who was a Parsi industrialist?’

    No, it was commissioned by Jamsetji Tata and was constructed by British builders under the stewardship of English engineer WA Chambers as a plaque in the lobby, where those scumbags struck last night, informs anyone who takes the time to read it.

  63. "The Taj Mahal Palace hotel resort was commissioned by Jamsetji Tata and first opened its doors to guests on December 16, 1903. Tata allegedly decided to build the luxurious hotel after he was refused entry to one of the city’s grand hotels of the time, Watson’s Hotel, as it was restricted to ‘whites only’. The original Indian architects were Sitaram Khanderao Vaidya and D. N. Mirza, but the project was completed by an English engineer W. A. Chambers. The cost of construction was 421 million Rupees. During the World War I, the hotel was converted into a 600-bed hospital.

    The side of the hotel seen from the harbor is actually its rear. The front faces away to the west. There is a widespread misconception that the architects’ building plans were confused by the builder so that he built it facing away from the harbor. This is not true, as the hotel was deliberately built facing inland rather than to the harbor. This was probably a deliberate snub to the British king by Jamsedji Tata due to nationalist feelings. Some people believe that the front of the hotel had to face inland because the horse carriages, in which guests came to the hotel, could easily approach the hotel from the city. The carriages were then taken to Wellington Mews. Five decades ago, the old front was closed off, and access is since then through the harbour-side entrance."

    Andrew….. built by the british at the height of empire? Don’t think so old son. Keep bullshittin there Walter Mitty and I’ll see you down the local curry house.

  64. I think you have trouble understanding basic English.

    I said ‘built’ by the British, not ‘commissioned’ by the British or ‘designed’ by the British. Given that 1903 was approximately midway between the formal beginning of Indian colonisation (1858), and its end (1947), I’d classify that as the ‘height’ of such a period.

    Using Wikipedia excerpts as a substitute for my advantage of real-life experience befits the intellect of someone who would regard the local curry house as a gastronomic delight.

  65. Andrew you’ve been caught out talkin out of your arse. To be honest, give your attitude to foreigners I doubt you’ve even got a passport.

    Get those Tiger beers in old son, will ya !

  66. Reading this thread is like watching a pack of cackling hens fighting over their feed.

    The leaders of Islam are at war with the west, the sheer number of people in that faith give them ample fodder for the slaughter.

    The world is at war. It is not like the last two world wars it is a slow burn war with some very bright flashpoints, but all of us are targets.

    You can make all the excuses you want and point all the fingers of blame where your petty little mind thinks they should go.

    It is Islam backed by Persians and Soviets that are engaging in battle against the rest of us.

    If we are lucky our children will see this wars end but I doubt it. Submit, Fight, or Die it is your choice.

    While some of you are beheaded as you make your excuses Some of us will go in a blaze of glory giving as good as we get.

  67. ‘Andrew you’ve been caught out talkin out of your arse. To be honest, give your attitude to foreigners I doubt you’ve even got a passport.’

    Whatever makes you happy.

  68. Caught out by a ‘Fenian’ no less.

  69. ‘Caught out by a ‘Fenian’ no less.’

    When you can prove I haven’t been to the Taj Palace perhaps you can be more ‘cocky’ instead of ‘cock head’.

  70. Andrew, I doubt im the only one here who thinks your full of sh*t.

    Look you were caught, deal with it. I fail to see why you felt the need to in the first place.

  71. ‘Look you were caught, deal with it. I fail to see why you felt the need to in the first place.’

    I’ll deal with nothing. I know what the reality is. I’m asking you to prove I wasn’t there.

    Make your play or leave the stage.

  72. "And judging by the comments of ‘British Barry’ on the other thread, it’s important to be accurate."

    I’m not sure it would make much difference if he changed his attitude from "all Muslims should be killed" to "all followers of a number of Muslim sects should be killed’.

  73. When you can prove I haven’t been to the Taj Palace perhaps you can be more ‘cocky’ instead of ‘cock head’.

    Andrew, what colour is the decor in the main lobby?

    What portrait hangs prominently, when you go through the main doors- to your left?

  74. in the mean time the ROP is sending people out to exicute British and Americans now they may consider some of the Irish to be of the same mind for using slaughter as a political tactic. but I’ll bet a dollar to a donut that they will kill an Irish Catholic or Protestant with just as little hesitation.

    But I guess it’s more important whether or not Andrew has been to a hotel or not…..

  75. I’ve been to the National Portrait Gallery in London, and I wouldn’t be able to answer similar questions. The Tudor exhibit is excellent though! Why not just argue angels and pinheads?

  76. Pinky

    Depends which entrance you use. The entrance to the tower building (the Intercontinental) is large with a patterned carpet with one large black leather coated reception desk to your right.

    The older part (the original structure) has a smaller lobby with a dark wood finish and a series of smaller reception desks.

    As for a portrait, I honestly can’t remember. What I do recall is the excellent montage of black and white photographs of famous people who have stayed at the hotel, located just outside the entrance to the Harbor Bar.

  77. Wrong track Troll,
    These extremists recruit on a perversion of Islam, that’s where the battle lies, how do we stop them recruiting.?
    Its about mind control, not Islam.

  78. Right track Troll

    Terrorism is just the physical manifestation of a religion unwilling to live with those of a different persuasion without, either, attempting to impose an Islamic thumbprint on their respective societies, or seeking to convert them to its creed.

    That’s why almost every relgious conflict in the modern world involves Islam in some way, shape or form.

  79. Islam is the keystone percy brainwashing is just the tool

  80. A group of terrorists who justify their mass murder from the koran and its instructions to kill the non-believer have killed over 100 people, wounded over 250 and are holding about 80 hostage. The prospect is of more murder yet the usual smoke-blowers are saying that Christians are just as bad etc.

    Frank, RS, Pinky, when you first heard of these attacks, whom did you think were the perpetrators of the massacres?

  81. ‘The older part (the original structure) has a smaller lobby with a dark wood finish and a series of smaller reception desks.’

    es I meant the original structure.

    Correct.

    I have never been there, but my better half has- he was there in February of this year.

    RS give it a rest, mate!

  82. Frank, RS, Pinky, when you first heard of these attacks, whom did you think were the perpetrators of the massacres?

    Allan first I thought it may be an Indian Nationalist group. Then I thought, Pakistan was attacking.

  83. I disagree troll, mccann
    Perversion of Islam is the keystone.
    majority of Muslims oppose this and find no difficulties calling it terrorism.
    By supporting the moderates, the extremists are isolated.
    Your attacks on the whole religion don’t help us one iota in the War against extremists.
    Or please outline how your diagnosis helps?
    Should we bomb 1 billion Muslims, is that your answer?

  84. Allan,

    "Frank, RS, Pinky, when you first heard of these attacks, whom did you think were the perpetrators of the massacres?"

    I thought it was terrorists, Allan.

    Allan, when you first heard of a guy named ‘British Barry’ stating that Muslims deserve to be exterminated, which party did you think he might belong to? Tell me what kind of ideology would produce an asshat like that?

    And what religion would he be? I am fairly sure he isn’t a Muslim.

  85. The 1 billion muslims should live in muslim lands and not in mine, nor in India. India did build a big fence around bangladesh to keep them penned in their shit-hole: I hope that it holds.

  86. Frank, I assumed that British Barry would be in the National Front. If you think he’s in the BNP, why not ask him? And no, I don’t share those views: I just want muslims returned to dar-al-islam.

    Now that I’ve answered your query, how about a bit of honesty and share with us your first thoughts on who was most likely to have committed the atrocities in India when you first heard of them.

  87. Allan

    I will answer your question. I thought immediately that it was Islamic terrorists. I have no problem admitting that the biggest catalyst for this sort of indiscriminate mass murder at the moment is militant politicised Islam. However, what I will not do and what I will always argue against is the idea that this tendency is an inate part of that faith and all Muslims are to be considered potential murderers.

  88. Colm, thank you for your answer. I don’t consider all or even most muslims to be potential murderers but the doctrine does clearly incite and condone attacks on unbelievers, and especially against ‘idolators’. ‘Idolators’ to muslims includes Hindus and they are to be killed: at least Jews and Christians (people of the Book) get the chance to become dhimmis:-)

    So, we shall just have to disagree.

  89. I dont know , the right to trade , earn a living , earn money , the betterment of ones self , music , art , these were all part of islam. Babylon and the center of civilisation , how did it all go badly wrong.

  90. Allan,

    "Frank, I assumed that British Barry would be in the National Front. If you think he’s in the BNP, why not ask him? And no, I don’t share those views: I just want muslims returned to dar-al-islam."

    How would that work? How do you return somebody to a place many of them have never seen?

    What is the difference between the BNP and NF policies on this?

  91. Andrew, anymore bullshit you wanna peddle?

    Caught by the bollocks as we say here in Ireland.

    I can’t wait to read your Mittyesque posts on here in future !

    Pinky, Google image is a wonderful thing.

    Andrew the big bad brit cannot even man up and admit he was caught lying. Ha Ha….must sicken your xeno-head to think a measley fenian outed you !

  92. RS

    In your last comment only two words ring true: ‘measeley fenian’.

  93. Frank, whom did you think perpetrated the atrocities when you first heard of the terrorists’ attacks in Bombay?

    As for the National Front, I have no idea of their views but I’d imagine their views to be extreme and not the sensible policies which the BNP advocates to ensure the survival of Britain and the British people.

  94. Allan,

    When I first heard of it (on my clock radio) I was half asleep and they were already attributing it to ‘Al Queda’. But when it comes to violence in India there is a lot of sources to choose from – Hindu Nationalists, Al Queda, The Taliban, Pakistan (e.g. the ISI). There have recently been massacres perpretrated by Hindus against Christians. Had you heard about it, you probably just KNEW that was Muslims too. That’s because you are what you said DC was.

    "As for the National Front, I have no idea of their views but I’d imagine their views to be extreme and not the sensible policies which the BNP advocates to ensure the survival of Britain and the British people."

    Is the proposal to ‘return’ Muslims to ‘dar-al-islam’ a sensible policy of the BNP or is it your own? How would it work?

  95. As unfortunate this incident is, and muslims will be under the spot light for wrong reasons, all of you are ignoring the fact that in the past 10-20 years, it’s the muslims who have been killed by non-muslims and their state machinery across the world. Just because bombs were dropped from the sky does not make that any better or do you guys think muslims don’t bleed when they are shot or bombed? Islam holds all human life in high regard but Islam encourages people to stand up against oppression and defend. Some take this angle as license to kill innocent civilians, there is no room for this in Islam. As long as there is oppression and injustice, we will continue to see wars and acts of madness. Those sitting in high offices are comfortable and safe while the civilians are paying with their blood.

  96. F

    1) you seem to take it for granted it was Muslims. interesting admission
    2) this is not really the way to get 1 billion people on your side

  97. Well said FIDO.

  98. Acts of madness are not highly coordinated. Acts of war are.

  99. What are you on about Charles?

  100. Not on about anything DC. If Fido thinks this will lessen acts of violence against oppressed people, I think he’s wrong. In fact terrorism is counter-productive.

  101. "If Fido thinks this will lessen acts of violence against oppressed people, I think he’s wrong"

    That’s not what he’s saying at all Charles!

  102. I shall re-read then!

  103. Great stuff from Paul.

  104. "In fact terrorism is counter-productive."

    Err.. no! Terrorism works when its opponent is weak. It worked in France in the 1990’s and also in NI.

  105. Look I’m not saying the whole of the Bible is all rosy but Islam truely is a whole pint of bullshit, all religions might well be crap but Islam is BLATANTLY bs – which is why it hurts so much that it is the ONLY religion that is slaughting people in their droves today (note I used the word drove please).

    There are many beautiful, good, passages in the Koran – but there are plenty of evil passages as well that contradict the good ones. It’s a joke. Why? Because the Koran OBVIOUSLY has had multiple authors. Christians happily admit the Bible was written by loads of geezas and a few women. You could even put a ‘question mark’ over a few of the books of the Bible. NOT SO with teh Koran – it’s either ALL THE WORD OF GOD or not so.

    For a book so OBVIOUSLY not the pure word of good, it is the cause of well over half the man-made evil int eh world. It’s like a cruel joke. If certain Muslims started realising the dubious nature of their religious texts, maybe they’d start to climb out of the moral sewers.

  106. Some people are saying the death toll is so high due to the stupidity of Indian counter-terror forces and police rather than jus the Islamist Militia. Not too sure if that’s true or not but the footage on tv i’ve seen does seem to back that up a tad…