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No shirt, no shoes, no lefty politics….. no service

By Patrick Van Roy On June 24th, 2018

The tolerant all inclusive masters of diversity….. The Liberal Progressive.

These hypocrites have taken up a new play in their bag of nastiness. It started a couple of months ago, but is now a quick draw in their quiver of weapons.  A main tool in their love of all views and their dedication to civility. The Denial of Service.

All over D.C. NYC, and other places if you are a Trump supporter or work for him and you go out to eat it’s is now in vogue to run you out of the restaurant.  Doesn’t matter if you are with your family have little children with you it matters not.

Packs of foam at the mouth loons feel they can run you out of the restaurant. The latest was Sarah Sanders and her family, 7 people including her children were refused service by an asshole that ran a Red Hen Restaurant. Earlier this week it was the head of Homeland Security, earlier Milo and the list goes on.

The right doesn’t do this crap, never has, but it has become common practice with the left. The rules of common decency have left the building  on that side of the aisle.

Add to that the unrelenting Fake News like this weeks sudden outrage over a policy that was put into law in 1997 is having an effect, but I don’t think the one the lefty loons think it’s having. It’s sad the group that started out as the peace love and Bobby Sherman crowd has morphed into Antifa, Propagandist Liars, and Violent Mobs.

Right now this is all still fringe activity, but it is escalating if it reaches the tipping point I fear what will happen will not be the reactions they are hoping for. We shall just hope and pray it doesn’t get there.

In the meantime we watch and laugh as the hypocritical left continues to lose both their mind and composure. It’s sad but still fun to see.

182 Responses to “No shirt, no shoes, no lefty politics….. no service”

  1. Show a little respect, the slightest bit of discipline.

    Pete commented on this exact matter all of 30 minutes ago.

  2. In the meantime we watch and laugh as the hypocritical left continues to lose both their mind and composure. It’s sad but still fun to see.

    It’s rather difficult to argue with that.

  3. how about you pond sand Tom……

  4. I was writing this when Pete posted his and his commentary is different…. so why don’t you show some respect, but yes we know you are incapable aren’t ya…. git.

  5. I’ve canned posts that I was in the process of writing when I’ve seen that someone beat me two it.

    It’s common courtesy, as well as editorial discipline.

    If you added this as a comment to Pete’s post, we’d have one good discussion instead of two separate lesser discussions of the same exact thing.

    But never mind. Let’s be unfocused.

  6. All over D.C. NYC, and other places if you are a Trump supporter or work for him and you go out to eat it’s is now in vogue to run you out of the restaurant. Doesn’t matter if you are with your family have little children with you it matters not.

    Really?

    Can you list ten instances of where this has happened and link to them?

  7. There have been incidents in NYC

    Trust me

    Just as there were incidents of vandalizing Trump signs during the election in NY city and state and in other places

    The left and Democrats are far more intolerant than conservatives, Republicans or Trumpers ( there separate things )

  8. Pat seems to imply that this practice is widespread, I’d just like to see how widespread it is.

    How did those in the NYC alleged incidents know that the people in question were Donnies?

  9. This guy was wearing Trumper garb

    If it was my bar, I’d have no problem with him

    https://nypost.com/2018/04/25/judge-bars-are-allowed-to-throw-out-trump-supporters/

  10. Really?

    Can you list ten instances of where this has happened and link to them?

    Paul the first part of this was the attacks on the campuses of shutting down speakers. It has now morphed down to just people that work for Trump or hold a position in his government. or as Phantom points out even just regular Republicans that have the nerve to drink where he does……

    Here read it spelled out in a lefty rag

    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/06/22/trump-millennial-supporters-washington-dc-218833

  11. No, me neither, just as long as any umbrage taken by other customers was settled outside.

    So he sued in Manhattan Supreme Court, claiming the incident “offended his sense of being American.”

    Who ever thought that a Donnie could be such a snowflake?

  12. This is priceless (from Phantom’s link)

    Philadelphia accountant Greg Piatek, 31, was bounced from a West Village watering hole for wearing a “Make America Great Again” cap, according to his lawsuit over the incident.

    So he sued in Manhattan Supreme Court, claiming the incident “offended his sense of being American.”

    (how come Trump supporters are all such snowflakes)

    “The Make American Great Again hat was part of his spiritual belief,” (his attorney)
    Liggieri claimed.

    “Rather than remove his hat, instead he held true to his spiritual belief and was forced from the bar,” Liggieri said.

    The judge pressed Liggieri on the idea of his client’s professed creed.

    “How many members are in this spiritual program that your client is engaged in?” the judge asked.

    “Your honor, we don’t allege the amount of individuals,” Liggieri said.

    “So, it’s a creed of one?” the judge asked.

    “Yes, your honor,” Liggieri replied.

    Piatek had sued for unspecified emotional damages

    This apparently really took place in an American court.

  13. umbrage taken by other customers was settled outside.

    There’s nothing to be take umbrage about.

    If some skel hassled the guy outside the bar that doesn’t make them any better than those who might hassle him inside the bar.

  14. At a local street fair last summer, a friend of mine showed up with a MAGA hat.

    He turned it backwards, seeking to ” lay low ” in lib territory

    I got him to put the hat on properly, and if anyone had hassled him they’d have had more than one to deal with.

  15. Paul the first part of this was the attacks on the campuses of shutting down speakers

    Fair enough, it can’t really be connected with the alleged specific incidents you speak of though.

    I read that article, it speaks of how unpopular Trump and his aministration are, with staffers struggling to get dates etc. It doesn’t say anything about them being refused service.

    I’ve no doubt that there have been instances if what you allege however I don’t think they’re as widespread as you imply.

  16. were you in the bar when this took place Phantom?

  17. If some skel hassled the guy outside the bar that doesn’t make them any better than those who might hassle him inside the bar

    Who’s suggesting any different?

    In Belfast many bars have a ‘no football tops at all to be worn on the premises’ which is ruthlessly enforced in order to prevent friction. I’d imagine it was probably a similar scenario which happened here.

  18. Most normal people aren’t obsessed with politics.

    And most Trump supporters would tend to lay low in places like NYC or San Francisco

    In these areas, if you have a Trump bumper sticker, you’d have a huge chance of having your car vandalized

    It’s not a debatable call – the lefties and Dems are wildly more intolerant than conservatives are.

    Like the great Buckley said, they’re not just intolerant of other ideas, they can’t imagine that there are other ideas.

  19. Fair enough, it can’t really be connected with the alleged specific incidents you speak of though.

    yes it can they are creating an atmosphere of hostility where the leftists feel they can attack people. It started with the college shit and has spread. ALL the incidents are connected.

    The left have embarked on a sanctioned campaign of attacking people for their political beliefs and it is escalating.

    So far these individual attacks have not been violent like they were on the campuses, but sooner or later someone is going to get physical and depending on where it happens someone is going to get shot.

    It happened at the campuses which is what kinda shut the whole thing down on both sides, but sooner or later these leftists are going to mob the wrong family and god forbid they touch someone.

  20. Most normal people aren’t obsessed with politics.

    Wouldn’t that suggest that this alleged Donnie hate isn’t as widespread as we’re led to belive then?

  21. Pat, how on earth do you connect someone closing down someone talking on a college campus with someone being refused service in a restaurant?

    Ridiculous.

  22. http://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/2018/05/15/black-trump-supporter-attacked-at-cheesecake-factory-over-maga-hat-report.html

    There have been a significant number of such incidents of Trump supporters being attacked Or hassled

    I can recall of no such similar incidents where Hillary Clinton or Barak Obama supporters were attacked

    It’s a thing

  23. It’s a thing

    You seem to be arguing with yourself again

    I’ve no doubt that there have been instances if what you allege however I don’t think they’re as widespread as you imply.

  24. Paul McMahon, on June 24th, 2018 at 6:59 PM Said: Edit Comment
    Pat, how on earth do you connect someone closing down someone talking on a college campus with someone being refused service in a restaurant?

    Ridiculous.

    NO it’s not Ridiculous….. the left starting with the campus attacks have condoned violence, they have praised these attacks.

    You really don’t understand a lot of things over here and I don’t mean that as an insult, just a fact.

    The Democrat Party and it’s myriad of spokes people have condoned these acts, they cheered the campus attacks, they cheered the milo restaurant attack, the DHS administrator restaurant attack, and the Sanders family restaurant attack.

    By cheering it they inspire and give the ok to people to do this, it is connected and sooner or later they are going to do it to the wrong person.

    Paul I find it hard to believe you don’t see the connection, if you can’t just add it to another thing about my culture that eludes you.

  25. When both Phantom and I are telling you the same thing….. maybe you ought to listen.

  26. It’s not a matter of America and the rest of the world. It’s about the absolute non logic of saying that beacause someone shouts someone down at a university campus someone in a restaurant is refused service.

  27. no ….. it’s cheering and condoning violence against your political opponent causes more violence, but we know this is a concept you struggle with do to personal history.

    Not trying to start anything, but you have a very large hole in both your morality and logic when it comes to violence Paul. You really don’t grasp the whole topic.

    That is not meant as a provocation or a judgement or the instigation of a fight, it is however a fact of how you think.

  28. I’ve no problems whatsoever with violence being used for political means in specific circumstances as I have explained here many, many times Pat. Neither have you.

    My morality is absolutely sound and my conscience is perfectly clear.

    However that has no bearing whatsoever on stating that because someone prevents someone from speaking at a university campus it means that someone will be refused service in a restaurant.

    Bizzare connection .

  29. A generalized intolerance connects all of it – the brownshirts shutting down speech in Berkley and Dublin, the throwing orderly customers out of restaurants, vandalizing signs and cars.

    You see no connection to what is all before you because you don’t like Trump / Pegida / etc.

    But you should be as supportive or moreso of the rights of your opponent as you are of those that you agree with. That’s how the thing works.

  30. Pat is specifically connecting a violent incident with the restaurant incident – I’m saying that’s not the case as there was no implication of violence whatsoever in the secong incident.

    You see no connection to what is all before you because you don’t like Trump / Pegida / etc.

    Again, you seem to be arguing with yourself again as I have demonstrated on another thread.

    On the Dublin thing, don’t counter protestors have every right as much as protestors? On the violence itself, if you tell a Dubliner who can or can’t live in their city and then insult them by telling them ‘fuck you and fuck your Communism’ when they disagree I’d suggest that someone will end up with a sore face.

    Incidentally, as we’re on the subject of violence, ATW seems to have missed Danny Corbynson supporters getting into the cops at the free Johnny Robertson march in London a few weeks ago:

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/tommy-robinson-free-protest-nazi-salutes-london-violence-police-arrests-attacks-prison-a8393566.html

  31. I’m not sure denying someone a cheese board is advocating violence against them, but the fact remains that this episode was not unique, and that Sanders was treated in a classless and petty way.

  32. Classless and petty treatment for a classless and petty person, doesn’t make it right but it is poetic

  33. Paul denying someone service for political reasons is an act of violence. Not physical violence, but violence just the same.

  34. inciting violence

    Maxine Waters orders MORE public harassment of Trump aides: ‘God is on OUR side!’

    Maxine Waters wants more people to harass Trump administration officials in public spaces.

    The California Congresswoman went on a shouting rampage during a toy drive outside the Wilshire Federal Building on Saturday.

    After claiming Trump is”sacrificing our children,” referring to the illegal immigrant kids separated from their “parents” near the border, Waters again called for the president’s impeachment, triggering loud applause from the baying mob.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=23&v=-1Fu3g1MGHY

    “History will record while he tried to step on all of us, we kicked him in his rear and step on him,” she yelled, whipping up the crowd.

    “If you think we’re rallying now, you ain’t seen nothin’ yet,” she warned.

    “Already, you have members of your Cabinet that are being booed out of restaurants,” she continued as the crowd erupted, “who have protesters taking up at their house, who say, ‘No peace, no sleep. No peace, no sleep,’” she continued.

    “And guess what,” she predicted, “we’re going to win this battle because while you try and quote the Bible, Jeff Sessions and others, you really don’t know the Bible.

    “God is on OUR side!” she declared, as the crowd went wild. “On the side of the children. On the side of what’s right. On the side of what’s honorable.”

    “And so, let’s stay the course. Let’s make sure we show up wherever we have to show up and if you see anybody from that Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd and you push back on them, and you tell them they’re not welcome anymore, anywhere,” she yelled.

    Waters remarks were then marred by a screeching microphone.

    “Mr. President, we will see you every day, every hour of the day, everywhere that we are to let you know you cannot get away with this!” she yelled.

    Waters was referring to Department of Homeland Security Kristjen Nielson, who was heckled in a D.C. restaurant, and later had protesters playing loud speakers outside her home.

  35. The Trump people who had trouble in restaurants may have been provocative. Homeland Safety Secretary Nielson was directly responsible for separating children from their parents and then goes to dine in a Mexican restaurant. Many harmed by her separation policy were Mexican. She did not have to go out to dinner, and she certainly did not have to go to a Mexican restaurant. There is an element of “in your face” to her dining choice. The same goes for Stephen Miller.

    Sarah Sanders was refused service in a restaurant. That was an extreme protest, but she is the spokesperson for an extreme Administration. Many see the Trump Administration as extreme in many of their policies and actions. Protest is very understandable. Protest is a reaction, Trump is the cause. Many people have strong empathy with those whose children were taken from them and thrown into prisons, emotions run strong.

  36. Paul denying someone service for political reasons is an act of violence. Not physical violence, but violence just the same.

    Oh please Pat, that’s taking the definition of violence to snowflakey extremities. Smashing Saunders over the head with a plate, sticking a glass in her face or stabbing her in the eyes with a fork would have been violence but not being refused service in a restaurant.

    To quote the immortal Iñigo Montoya:

    You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means

    Maxine Waters orders MORE public harassment of Trump aides: ‘God is on OUR side!’

    Where did the American Mirror source that story from Pat?

    https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-american-mirror/

  37. ‘God is on OUR side!’

    Err yeah, of course he is.

    Then why did Trump becone POTUS in tbe first place?.

    😏

  38. First, “God told me to invade Iraq”

    Then God foresake all those Democrsts, allowed Trump into the WH.

    This God certainly works in mysterious ways.

  39. While we’re on the subjest of refusing custom and business do you see the denial of this service as ‘an act of violence, not physical violence, but violence just the same?’

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44591528

  40. New Yorker, on June 25th, 2018 at 7:49 AM Said: Edit Comment
    The Trump people who had trouble in restaurants may have been provocative. Homeland Safety Secretary Nielson was directly responsible for separating children from their parents and then goes to dine in a Mexican restaurant. Many harmed by her separation policy were Mexican. She did not have to go out to dinner, and she certainly did not have to go to a Mexican restaurant. There is an element of “in your face” to her dining choice. The same goes for Stephen Miller.

    Sarah Sanders was refused service in a restaurant. That was an extreme protest, but she is the spokesperson for an extreme Administration. Many see the Trump Administration as extreme in many of their policies and actions. Protest is very understandable. Protest is a reaction, Trump is the cause. Many people have strong empathy with those whose children were taken from them and thrown into prisons, emotions run strong.

    Please please read the lunacy written here by NYr…… Pure stupidity from a pretty smart guy. Justifying the violence….. good this speaks volumes to the condition of your soul NYr and it’s not good. Time to have a conversation with your priest.

  41. Where did the American Mirror source that story from Pat?

    How about the source being the frigging video which is included of her saying it……

    or didn’t you bother to play it…. lmao

  42. Like I said Paul you really have no clue and a totally wrong background on this topic….

    There are rules.

  43. The Trump people who had trouble in restaurants may have been provocative.

    Every administration is ” provocative “ to someone.

    On the ( very Democrat ) MSNBC ” Morning Joe ” opinion program this morning, the actions of the restaurant owner came up for much criticism.

    One of the guests spoke of how unwise it was, besides being wrong. The art of politics is to persuade people to see your point of view, so that they might become your ally on some things.

    This OTT rudeness won’t help that cause too much.

  44. Of course I played it, Waters is calling for people to make their feelings known over the separation issue and she certainly isn’t calling for violence.

    Do you think the refusal of service in my 9.55 above is an act of violence, not physical violence, but violence just the same?

  45. The restaraunt situation with Saunders was tasteless, rude and classless, (much like the Trump administration in fact), but it wasn’t violent.

  46. And it wasn’t just the bad action of some jerk in the restaurant.

    It was bad action on the part of the owner and of the sniveling employees.

  47. It is a recipe for disaster.

  48. The restaurant obviously had to safeguard the interests of its guests. It would have been irresponsible to risk so many diners falling ill.

  49. Paul these actions are violence and the Democrat Party is condoning violence. Intimidation is a form of violence.

    When political leaders encourage this behavior it leads to real violence like loons shooting up Senators playing baseball.

    You can protest anyone, but there are rules. Lines you do not cross. You don’t harass people with their families is rule #1 families are off limits even gangsters don’t break that rule. Because they know there are major consequences when they do.

    You don’t prevent people from eating, you protest outside the restaurant, you don’t chase people out of movie theaters, you don’t harass anyones family and you don’t cheer and encourage people to do these things.

    In our society they are acts of violence, and they are acts that will lead to physical violence. This will escalate. Someone will get shot it is only a matter of time.

  50. Look at the comments…..

    All 3 Americans who are not known to agree on any topic all agree on this. Maybe you should trust the fact that if the three of us agree this is out of line and is a situation that will escalate that there is something we understand about our society that you are missing.

    These actions are violence and they must cease.

  51. At some point, the staff and owner should have considered the possibility of acting like professionals.

  52. https://theslot.jezebel.com/maxine-waters-do-not-let-the-trump-team-eat-in-peace-1827091795

    I have no sympathy for these people that are in this administration who know it is wrong what they’re doing on so many fronts but they tend to not want to confront this president. For these members of his cabinet who remain and try to defend him they’re not going to be able to go to a restaurant, they’re not going to be able to stop at a gas station, they’re not going to be able to shop at a department store, the people are going to turn on them, they’re going to protest, they’re going to absolutely harass them until they decide that they’re going to tell the president ‘no I can’t hang with you, this is wrong this is unconscionable and we can’t keep doing this to children.

    ( The disgusting )Maxine Waters openly endorses harassment and intimidation tactics

    https://theslot.jezebel.com/maxine-waters-do-not-let-the-trump-team-eat-in-peace-1827091795

  53. When political leaders encourage this behavior it leads to real violence like loons shooting up Senators playing baseball.

    Like this Pat?

    https://vine.co/v/iX72w599uW1

  54. Again, you’re comparing things that are completely different.

    Thugs who disrupt meetings are not the good guys, and should not be treated gently.

    During the campaign, these guys not only tried to shout Trump down, they rushed the stage more than once.

    Presumably, you’ll be fine if these tactics are used against your buddies.

  55. All 3 Americans who are not known to agree on any topic all agree on this.

    Agree on what?

    Mahons makes that point above that refusing someone a cheeseboard isn’t violence.

    Precisely the only point I’m making:

    Paul McMahon, on June 24th, 2018 at 6:59 PM Said:

    Pat, how on earth do you connect someone closing down someone talking on a college campus with someone being refused service in a restaurant?

    Ridiculous..

  56. These guys have obviously forgotten how the real people of America think. They never wanted this administration, and now they are making their voices heard. This can only be a beginning.

    “You must shun him on the roadside when you meet him, you must shun him in the streets of the town, you must shun him in the shop, you must shun him in the fairgreen and in the marketplace and even in the place of worship, by leaving him alone, by putting him in a moral Coventry, by isolating him from the rest of his country as if he were the leper of old, you must show your detestation of the crime he has committed.”

    Charles Stewart Parnell speaking in Ennis, 19 September 1880 on the best way for the people to get rid of the notorious Captain Boycott in Mayo by ostracising him.

    After the harvest, the policy of ostracism was continued and within weeks the word boycott was accepted into usage in the English language. It is said that the use of the term ‘to boycott’ somebody was first used by the local parish priest Fr John O’Malley to describe the action.
    He felt, that for his congregation, it was an easier word to pronounce than ostracisation. Within weeks – on November 20 – the word was being used by The Times of London.

  57. Again, you’re comparing things that are completely different.

    Again? Like people being prohibited from speaking at university campuses and being refused service in a restaurant you mean?

    During the campaign, these guys not only tried to shout Trump down, they rushed the stage more

    than once.

    Did this guy rush the stage? One person trying to rush the stage in a sea of Trump supporters must have been terrifying.

    I thought that you were a staunch defender of Viktor Orban free speech? It seems that this comittment fades when it goes against your preferred narrative of the time.

    Presumably, you’ll be fine if these tactics are used against your buddies

    Who are ‘my buddies?’

  58. O/T

    Noel, have you heard about this? Barbaric and heartbreaking in equal measure:

    https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/crime/tragic-homeless-man-adam-muldoon-12784837

  59. Disrupting campaign events is not free speech. It’s pretty much the opposite.

  60. I’ll state this again:

    Did this guy rush the stage? One person trying to rush the stage in a sea of Trump supporters must have been terrifying.

    Vocal protesting is pretty much the definition of free speech?

  61. Vocal protesting outside is free speech, disruption of an adversary’s event is the opposite of it.

    It is not any exchange of views, it is trying to prevent the other guy from talking, an attempt to shut him up.

  62. Paul, no, I hadn’t seen that, but there have been so many heartless murders in Ireland recently I’ve almost become shockproof.

    What did you think of Arlene Foster at the Ulster final in Clones yesterday?

  63. Paul

    It is an act of open aggression that crosses the line. Mahons is trying to tone it down because it is his party that has crossed the line.

    This is him calling it bluntly…….

    Mahons, on June 25th, 2018 at 2:37 PM Said: Edit Comment
    It is a recipe for disaster.

    He knows, just as Phantom knows, and I know that these are viewed in our society as acts of violence and it will lead to a shooting.

  64. //This is him calling it bluntly……. //

    I thought he was making a joke.

    Like, she’ll have to table a motion at her next meeting or cook up some excuse for her behaviour because she knows there’s trouble brewing.

  65. //I thought he was making a joke.//

    Perhaps even a “tasteless” joke, and the evening was rather tasteless for Ms. Sanders.

  66. no Noel he was stating it will lead to a disaster.

  67. I’m not saying that.

    But those who infiltrate lawful assemblies for the sole purpose of disrupting them are enemies of speech rights, enemies of political rights, enemies of any exchange of ideas.

    They are seeking to provoke violence, but I won’t go so far as to say that it will lead to a shooting. I hope that it does not.

    I don’t think that most Dems support such things, but let’s just say that they’re exceptionally mild in criticizing them.

    Can you imagine if Republicans or others from the so called right disrupted Obama assemblies, tried to rush the stage to attack him, etc.

    IMO we have a bad president, one who on multiple levels is himself an enemy of speech ( wants unfair English style libel laws, constantly badgering any press coverage of himself that isn’t fawning ) but all the hands on efforts to impede speech has come from the left. Not a disputable point IMO.

  68. but I don’t want to speak for him. “It is a recipe for disaster” is a common expression here, not a sarcastic one.

    If I’m wrong and you’re right I’m sure he’ll say so.

  69. I took it as a play on words

  70. Phantom you don’t believe if this continues it will escalate ?

  71. Pam Bondi: Three Huge Guys Were Screaming at Me and Cursing Me One Inch from My Face – One Spit on My Head! (VIDEO)…..

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/06/pam-bondi-three-huge-guys-were-screaming-at-me-and-cursing-me-one-inch-from-my-face-one-spit-on-my-head-video/

  72. It could.

    This is a continuing, ugly, change in the national conversation. It didn’t start with Trump, but I blame him and his exceptionally vicious tactics for a lot of the continued race to the gutter.

    But the anti Trump actors own everything that they themselves do. That was an exceptionally mean spirited act the other day at the restaurant. The owner is responsible for what she did, along with the very many who try to explain it away.

    The party of Maxine Waters has no moral ground to criticize Trump. They need to get their own affairs in order.

  73. Vocal protesting outside is free speech, disruption of an adversary’s event is the opposite of it.

    It is not any exchange of views, it is trying to prevent the other guy from talking, an attempt to shut him up.

    Any vocal protest that doesn’t include violence is freedom of speech. If your argument isn’t strong enough to withstand it maybe you need to get a stronger argument or a thicker skin.

    Anyhow, back to the original point of violence:

    Did this guy rush the stage? One person trying to rush the stage in a sea of Trump supporters must have been terrifying.

    Trump must have been absolutely terrified by the lone voice in a sea of Donnies that he got his people to turf out the dissenter asking them to try not to hurt him but hey, it’s okay, I’ve got your back if you do, (wink , wink)

    Isn’t the man with the mic getting his people to close down dissenting freedom of speech with a nod and a wink to do it violently if needed?

    Mahons is trying to tone it down because it is his party that has crossed the line.

    Pat, you said the thre Americans here agreed:

    Refusing someone a cheeseboard isn’t violence.

    You were incorrect.

    Noel, the thing that struck me about this latest marder was the callousness and brutality of it.

    The young victim had Cerberal Paulsy who had been sleeping rough and loneliness drove him to befriend a gang of young knackers who bullied him and which deems that ended with the seemingly frenzied attack which saw 100 stab wounds on his body and his throat slashed. A seventeen year old is being questioned about the attack.

    It makes me sad, depressed and angry that anyone could treat such a vulnerable 23 year old young lad with such callous inhumanity.

  74. Refusing service in a restaurant or jeering someone in a restaurant is not violence. If you are responsible for enforcing a horrific policy such as separating parents and children, you should expect people will take issue with you. That goes with holding office in the real world. Harry Truman said ‘if you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen’.

    This is an extreme administration that provokes protest for good reason. Trump raises the temperature and his base blames those who react rather than the culprit who turned up the temperature.

  75. Three Huge Guys Were Screaming at Me and Cursing Me One Inch from My Face – One Spit on My Head

    Sounds exactly like meetings i used to have back in the day with GM executives.

    😏

  76. Oh Noel,

    I’m of the opinion that Foster’s appearence at the Ulster football final was nothing more than a PR exercise however it is to be welcomed.

    As the real possibility of partition being discontinued inches ever closer unionists should realise they have nothing to fear from Irishness.

  77. Ireland’s Equal Status Act (2000)outlaws discrimination on nine grounds ranging from gender through marital status, race, sexual orientation or membership of the Travelling community.

    Liars are not protected under the Act and so if an Irish restaurant owner refused service to the Irish equivalent of Sarah Sanders, they would be entirely free to do so.

    I’m open to correction but I think the law is broadly similar in the UK.

    ‘Property rights’ have nothing whatever to do with it.

  78. My objection has nothing to do with it being illegal. I don’t think that it was illegal. It was bad business, unprofessional, a rude and classless thing to do.

    It would have been slightly less bad if they had been denied entry at the door.

    I’ve never heard of a restaurant throwing out a well behaved customer who had been seated, and who had already been served.

  79. I don’t believe the Sanders Restaurant incident was an act of violence. It was however an act of self-indulgent idiocy that was unjustified and should be condemned by anyone who wishes to live in a civil society.
    Maxine Waters is an awful human being and her comments might very well lead to violence.

  80. My objection has nothing to do with it being illegal. I don’t think that it was illegal. It was bad business, unprofessional, a rude and classless thing to do.

    Is anyone disagreeing that it was a pretty reprehensible action?

  81. That would be the same Maxine Waters who praised the 1992 Los Angeles riots, and the racial violence that was part of it.

    She physically embraced the man who had smashed the head of a defenseless ( white ) truck driver with piece of concrete. The driver had done no wrong, his crime was to drive into the area.

    I could think of no worse creature in US politics than Maxine Waters.

  82. Is anyone disagreeing that it was a pretty reprehensible action?

    I am! I think it’s wonderful.

    This was even better:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5JduNasOMY

  83. Maybe it would be better if politicians were banned from everywhere.

    General Patton, hit the nail squarely on the head.

    “Politicians are the lowest form of life, liberals are the lowest form of politicians”

    Nothings changed, diddly squat. Zilch.

  84. From Petr’s videi link.

    “How can you enjoy a Mexican dinner”

    He’s got a point there, how can you enjoy a Mexican dinner?.

  85. Indeed Phantom, as reprehensible as this?

    Get him out, try not to hurt him… If you do I’ll defend you in court don’t worry about it

    Maybe it would be better if politicians were banned from everywhere

    Even Viktor Orban & the Nige?

  86. An unwelcome intruder intent on ruining a gathering should be removed.

    You think that they should have given him a medal?

  87. Harri- Patton apparently didn’t actually say that, but the sentiment is no doubt shared by many.

  88. Petr – I can’t think of an action that has brought more sympathy to Sanders and helped her cause better than this foolish Restaurant owner’s action.

  89. Yes.

    It isn’t pleasant taking the side of her and the others in the Trump administration, but that is the right thing for anyone to do.

    Without a certain level of mutual respect, even among those who disagree on matters, you don’t have a society worth living in.

  90. An unwelcome intruder intent on ruining a gathering should be removed.

    Okay, Mr Free Speech.

    Agreed Mahons.

  91. Mahons, on June 25th, 2018 at 7:15 PM Said:
    Harri- Patton apparently didn’t actually say that, but the sentiment is no doubt shared by many.

    Whoever said it Mahons, was entirely correct.

  92. These kinds of tactics are nothing new, certainly in Ireland, and some people richly deserve to be on the receiving end.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_nMHuqX2ME

  93. Even Viktor Orban & the Nige?

    Two roses amongst many thorns.

  94. Who’s Pat Rabbitte.?

  95. Paul

    You don’t appear to understand what free speech is.

    It doesn’t mean that you have a right to ruin the speeches or gatherings of others.

    It has never meant that, anywhere.

    It is hardly an act of oppression to to be thrown out of a meeting that you’re disrupting.

    If you oppose the speech rights of others, then come right out and say it. Enough of these poorly thought out arguments.

  96. no it’s just the euro crowd really doesn’t seem to understand the line it crosses and the consequences.

    Sooner or later someones going to die.

  97. A number here want rights for themselves but not for those who are their political opponents.

    That’s not how it works.

    Interesting to see.

  98. Disrupting rallies and being mean to politicians have been part of political culture for centuries.

  99. And throwing the disrupters out have been part of political culture for centuries. Please tell Paul, he thinks the practice is horrid.

    Maybe someone should start disrupting the rallies of lefties / Sinn Phonies more often? Evidently it’s a fine thing to do.

  100. I may not agree with what someone has to say but I will fight to the death for their right to say it.

    Disrupting my meal with my family, interrupting my viewing a movie, preventing me from speaking are acts of violence and provocation.

    They are not acts of Free Speech. Just the opposite they are the aggressive acts of oppression and will eventually cause a violent reaction.

    They tried to Physically attack the Florida AG at a Mr. Rogers Movie.

    They also as the bar story showed not keeping these attacks to just Administration officials. They are going after civilians. Some civilians will not leave and when they don’t and someone touches somebody someone will die.

    It is a very predictable scenario. It may not be that way in your country but it is here. We have seen this progression take place in regard to other topics. Race comes to mind.

  101. Don’t sell out the working class and we won’t interrupt you. Don’t be a fascist and we won’t punch you.

  102. Who’s Pat Rabbitte.?

  103. Petr.

    Who is “we”?.

  104. I understand perfectly what free speech means. t means being able to say what you wish no matter how disagreeable it is to others.

    Donald Trump tried to close it down with a wink to violence in the link I provide above.

    Maybe someone should start disrupting the rallies of lefties / Sinn Phonies more often?

    Be my guest and BTW, who are Sinn Phonies?

    A number here want rights for themselves but not for those who are their political opponents.

    That’s not how it works

    Who are they? Viktor Orban?

    Maybe you’d now like to take this opportunity to condemn his fascistic closin of political opposition newspapers and radio stations?

  105. Pat, both Mahons and New Yorker seem to disagree with you.

  106. Violence is violence.

    Harassment and ignorant behavior are those things, and not more.

  107. Be my guest and BTW, who are Sinn Phonies?

    Precisely, and who the hell is Pat Rabbitte.?

    Is he the landlord of a really shit Irish pub?.

  108. Petr Tarasov, on June 25th, 2018 at 7:47 PM Said: Edit Comment
    Don’t sell out the working class and we won’t interrupt you. Don’t be a fascist and we won’t punch you.

    lol

    you really don’t want to touch some people……

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7HNC60a3r4

  109. Petr – no one in history sold out the working class more than the Communist Party.

  110. Patrick

    If harassment was violence you’d have the every right to use violent means to stop it

    If some clown starts hollering in a restaurant or meeting, I don’t advocate physical force. One, it’s not called for, two, it’s what the weasel wants you to do.

  111. guardian writer has a different take on the events at the Restaurant

    We need small acts of resistance against Trump and his lackeys

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/commentisfree/2018/jun/25/we-need-small-acts-of-resistance-against-trump-and-his-lackeys

  112. Violence is violence.

    Harassment and ignorant behavior are those things, and not more.

    That’s Pahntom, Mahons and New Yorker who now disagree with you Pat.

    Who the hell is Pat Rabbitte.?

    He’s Jimmy Rabbite’s da:

    http://www.wbur.org/artery/2014/02/04/roddy-doyle-guts

  113. mahons 801

    But those were the fake communists.

    The real communists of today would never oppress anyone.

  114. I disagree that the restaurant ban was violence, not that Waters and her ilk are not inciting violence.

  115. Mahons, on June 25th, 2018 at 8:01 PM Said:
    Petr – no one in history sold out the working class more than the Communist Party.

    Absolutely no denying that.

  116. Harri — Have you got soul? If so the world’s hardest working band is looking for you. Rednecks and south-siders need not apply.

  117. Paul

    Thanks for that.

    The Commitments, superb.

  118. Petr.

    I watched the movie, can’t recall the title now, the Commitments, brilliant band, brilliant movie.

    Just Googled, obviously it called “The Commitments”.

    😏

  119. It really is H, a great filum.

    I saw the band do a free gig over here in the San Fermin festival about eight years ago.

  120. I saw the band do a free gig over here in the San Fermin festival about eight years ago.

    Lucky bugger.

  121. O/T

    MS13 have recently been in the US news a fair bit. I found this interesting article on them:

    https://www.propublica.org/article/ms-13-immigration-facts-what-trump-administration-gets-wrong?utm_campaign=sprout&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_content=1529940695

  122. lmao….. no wonder you have no clue reading crap like that Paul

  123. No clue about what Pat?

  124. I see the apricot genius has managed to drive the iconic Harley Davidson Motorcycles to move job oversees because of his trade war tariffs

    Pat you’ve drank the Kool-aid explain it to me in 20 words or less

  125. The last time Harley made Bikes overseas they almost went out of business…..

    Americans stopped buying them….

    I’ve owned 3, I’ll never buy a foreign made one. If I want a rice burner I’ll buy a rice burner… This move will hurt HD.

  126. Paul McMahon, on June 26th, 2018 at 12:10 AM Said: Edit Comment
    No clue about what Pat?

    Murica!

  127. Americans already stopped buying them, there’s only so many mid life crisis to go around. Besides reliable and Harley have never gone together

  128. Some years ago, I listened to a speech made by the head of Harley Davidson. He spoke for about 45 minutes about how the company had revived itself, increased sales. He spoke at great length about branding and image. He didn’t say one word about engineering, quality or performance. I said to myself, this is odd. If the top guy from Honda had given that talk I bet there would’ve been a word or two about quality.

    Mr Trump has sabotaged Harley Davidson in at least two ways.

    One, he has jacked up the price of the steel that they use. For all US made Harleys, the company must now charge more or accept less profit. There is no third option. This point has been made here before. Harley won’t be the last example of this.

    Two, his clumsy, ham handed tariffs against a friendly EU guaranteed retaliation that has bit Harley and their workers in the ass.

    Harley’s whole image is built on America. They want to build here. But to the extent that this government continues to harm them, they must hedge their bets and further diversify their production base.

  129. Pat, I’ve already told you that trying to link someone being prevented from speaking at a university with someone being refused service in a restaurant is a leap of logic and nothing to do with ‘Murica.

    However, three of your American countrymen disagree with you anyhow.

  130. Paul

    There can be a logical link, if the actions are both part of an organised campaign of hostility towards individuals associated with a particular political movement or group.

  131. Colm, I’m speaking about the logical jump of trying to connect two specific different and disparate events as is the case here.

    What it has to do with Murica I don’t know either.

  132. Liberals are just so tolerant…

    Red Hen owners ‘followed Sarah Sanders into the next restaurant to continue their harassment after they refused to serve her,’ claims her father Mike Huckabee.

    He went on: ‘Once Sarah and her family left – of course Sarah was asked to please vacate – Sarah and her husband just went home, they’d had enough. But, the rest of her family went across the street to a different restaurant.

    ‘The owner of the Red Hen – nobody’s told this – then followed them across the street, called people and organized a protest, yelling and screaming at them from outside the other restaurant and creating this scene.’

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5885663/Mike-Huckabee-says-liberal-Red-Hen-owners-harassed-daughter-more.html

  133. it wasn’t a smart move to throw her out, but you can’t tar all liberals with the actions of one restaurants mr harri.
    Had i been the chef I would have done something different.
    Let them eat , but switch the menu:
    top of the list is a dish called pussy-grabber
    and I would explain quite loudly what was in that dish and would they like to try it.
    and add that’s its a favourite amongst trump supporters.
    after all , the rules of conduct and grace in office have been completely thrown out the window , as we see him besmirch the office almost on a daily basis.

  134. Or they could have had some professionalism and human dignity

    That too would have been a possibility

  135. Where’s Allan’s conspiracy theories when we need them ?

    Surely the real truth is that the owner of the Red Hen is a Trump supporter and she staged this tacky incident to drum up sympathy for Sarah. And it worked ! Yes you read it here first, I’m sure Allan will confirm the Trumpists crafty stunt 🙂

  136. Colm

    Nope. Surely the real truth is that the owner of the Red Hen is a liberal intolerant arsehole.

  137. It’s crazy the amount of attention this non-story is getting.

    I mean, bums are refused service in restaurants all over the world every day and nobody gives a hoot. Their money is as good as anyone elses and, unlike the frustrated diner in this case, they have usually done nothing wrong.

    And the context of American restaurants I think justifies for once the clichee that this is a nothing burger.

  138. It’s crazy the amount of attention this non-story is getting.

    Agreed Noel. The righteous outrage is palpable.

  139. She hasn’t done anything “ wrong “ . She may work for a guy that we don’t like, she may speak for policies that one disagrees with, But that is a different thing

    Have you ever Heard of a case where a restaurant owner Throws out well-dressed And well behaved customers And who then follows them to the next restaurant for the purpose of harassment?

    Me neither

    It’s a legitimate story all right, Because of its genuine weirdness, because of the prominence of the person involved, and because it is part of a pattern of intolerance and harassment

  140. Have you ever Heard of a case where a restaurant owner Throws out well-dressed And well behaved customers And who then follows them to the next restaurant for the purpose of harassment?

    Possibly, only in North Korea.

  141. Paul McMahon, on June 26th, 2018 at 7:20 AM Said: Edit Comment
    Pat, I’ve already told you that trying to link someone being prevented from speaking at a university with someone being refused service in a restaurant is a leap of logic and nothing to do with ‘Murica.

    The LINK Paul that you refuse to see is the attack on and oppression of Political Freedom.

    The campuses were burned and rioted on because someone had the nerve to not believe in progressivism, the diner was attacked because they work for an anti-progressive, the guy was tossed from the bar because he supported anti-progressivism.

    All the events are connected because all the events have a common factor.

    If you don’t support Progressivism you will be attacked. Anyone who speaks against it, anyone who works for someone that works against it, anyone who even support those that work against it are now the targets of violence, the targets of denial of service, the targets of harassment at their homes.

    That is an organized campaign of violence.

    They haven’t started planting bombs yet, but they did leave dead animals on the doorsteps of one of Trumps cabinet members.

    It is violence and it is connected and these people are going to corner the wrong person and people are going to get shot.

  142. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-26/trump-gets-harley-plans-wrong-in-attack-over-trade-war-excuse

    The Trump actions have raised the cost of Harley motorcycles more than $2000 a unit, according to SEC filings

    And

    Harley’s Chief Executive Officer Matt Levatich said in April that the factory in Thailand was a “Plan B” that the company employed after the U.S. abandoned the 11-country Trans-Pacific Partnership free-trade agreement Trump withdrew from last year. He’d said they didn’t relish the investment, which he also said was needed to maintain access to a key market.

    So Trump sabotaged Harley’s US workers in three ways and not two -raising the price of steel, provoking the EU tariffs, and walking away from TPP, which would have made US exports easier across Asia.

  143. correction

    Have raised the cost of producing Harleys by about $2000

    The company will eat a chunk of that. Which will make this US company less profitable.

    Honda and Kawasaki send their thanks.

  144. //Have you ever Heard of a case where a restaurant owner Throws out well-dressed And well behaved customers //

    Yes, of course I have.

  145. It is certainly not the custom here.

    One of the reasons why the story has resonated so much.

  146. The LINK Paul that you refuse to see is the attack on and oppression of Political Freedom.

    That may well be the case Pat but you originally tried to connect the violence or threatened violence of someone being prevented from speaking at a university campus with someone being refused service in a restaraunt where no violence or threat of violence was involved.

    That’s the only point I make.

  147. //One of the reasons why the story has resonated so much.//

    Oh come off it, that isn’t the reason at all.

    And I’d say it is a pretty strong custom in parts of the US (and elsewhere)

    Why, look what I just found:

    Mar 26, 2015,

    “Every human must eat, but according the governor of Indiana not every person has the right to eat at a restaurant. In an incredibly discriminatory move, Pence signed into law today a bill that allows businesses — including restaurants, coffee shops, and bars — to turn away customers that are gay, lesbian, and transgender”

    And the name of that governor of Indiana? (this is more delicious than anything an Indiana restaurant could serve up) – Mike Pence, the current vice president of the USA.

    I don’t remember any of those now so concerned about this refusal of a political apparatchik being very concerned at any one of the hundreds of stories of gays being refused.

  148. This is so good I have to post the link:

    https://www.eater.com/2015/3/26/8296615/indiana-law-religious-freedom-gay-lesbian-mike-pence

  149. I have never heard of an instance where well behaved customers who had already been served were thrown out of the establishment.

    Not once.

    And neither has anyone else here I will bet.

    This is something new under the sun.

  150. More novelty from Texas

    https://thinkprogress.org/texas-restaurant-bans-gay-couple-because-we-do-not-like-fags-ac0a81703fd4/

  151. Bloody magnificent catch Noel, how’d ye like them apples?

    Have raised the cost of producing Harleys by about $2000

    MAGA’s gonna MAG.

  152. “It is certainly not the custom here.” How do you know that? The customer could be asked discretely to leave and does so without fanfare. I have seen customers leave tablecloth restaurants before being served and not known the reason. It could be they were asked to leave or something else such as receiving a message on their phone that called them away for an important matter and they did that instead of staying in the restaurant.

  153. Trump has zero knowledge of manufacturing and of international trade

    He has already caused serious harm to a significant US export machine in Harley.

  154. It is not the custom in the US.

    At all.

  155. It is not the custom in the US.

    Perhaps although it does seem to be law in Indiana.

  156. How about this, again from the Vice President’s state and under his laws

    https://www.outsports.com/2015/3/27/8303925/christian-indiana-business-gay-refuse-service

    A Christian business owner in Indiana called a morning radio show today to express his support for the new state law that now allows him to discriminate against gay people. He told the Kyle & Rachel Show on 100.9FM that he’s thrilled because he now doesn’t have to have gay people in his restaurant.

    He said he has already been discriminating against gay people by finding ways to get them out of the restaurant. The way he has gone about it in the past is to lie to the gay customers, telling them something in the kitchen was broken so he couldn’t serve them.

    He added that he knows “tons” of business owners in Indiana who agree with the law and don’t want gay people in their businesses.

    Something new under the sun?

    You’d better watch out, Phantom, or Patrick will again be saying you don’t know the real “Murica”. 🙂

  157. Not forgetting Oklahomophobe

    http://www.businessinsider.com/oklahoma-restaurant-wont-serve-homosexuals-2014-2?IR=T

  158. I was very precise in my comment

    I have never heard of an instance where well behaved customers who had already been served were thrown out of the establishment

    True then, true now, true always.

  159. //I was very precise in my comment//

    Precise? You said she had already been served. How do you know that?

    The reports from serious media that I have seen – including the NYT – all say the restaurant refused to serve her.

    Which is more precise – the NYT or you?

  160. I have never heard of an instance where well behaved customers who had already been served were thrown out of the establishment

    It would seem that refusal to serve on political and / or sexuality grounds is only wrong after they have ordered and that while it might be bad custom it is apparently good law.

  161. The press accounts said that she had been served.

    The owner approached her afterward, after she had been summoned by employees ( I don’t think that she was on the premises initially ) and said that the cheese or whatever that had been served was on the house

  162. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-sarah-huckabee-sanders-restaurant-20180623-story.html

    “They had cheese boards in front of them,” Wilkinson said.

  163. Yes, sitting down before being refused service.

    That makes the VP state’s descrminatory refusal law okay.

  164. Phantom, every one of the media I have seen say the restaurant refused to serve her.

    http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/393760-reviewers-pounce-on-online-report-virginia-restaurant-refused-to-serve

    http://newsbout.com/id/18274563642

    NYT, etc.

    None says that she had already been served. (I can’t open your link)

    Even Trump himself said they refused to serve SHS.

    Besides, if you order in a restaurant and your order is accepted, you are entering into a legal agreement. The restaurant would in that case not have been entitled to kick her out, or she would have been entitled to sue if they did.

    The fact is that she was asked to leave the same as countless gays and others have been asked to leave. But only one generates conservative outrage; they refuse to defend the gays but rush to defend an apparatchik who has made herself the mouthpiece for lies and general trash.

  165. The Chicago Tribune said that they had been seated and served an appetizer of cheese. The owner was quoted directly.

    This isn’t debatable.

  166. Incredible,

    There are accusations of Trump’s aides being the target of political bigotry because his Press Secretary was refused service in a restaurant, meanwhile the state Trump’s VP was Governor of there’s an actual law which makes it legal to refuse service to anyone on the grounds of their sexuality.

    The debate here of course is whether Sarah Sanders had her order taken before she was refused service.

    There’s a very large pachyderm sitting in ATW’s metaphorical living room.

  167. I’m back and forward on this issue a lot. On one hand the right to protest the powerful and boycott the powerful is an essential free speech issue. There needs to be a way for civil society to take action against the outrages of the Trump regime.

    It is also not comparable to the anti-discrimination efforts by many states to protect suspect classes. Politics is not a suspect class. Conservative is not a suspect class. Trumpism is not a suspect class (unless we look at it through the lens that these people are clearly mentally disturbed). Race is a suspect class. Homosexuality, while not being declared officially a suspect class by the Supreme Court, is largely treated as such. In fact Obergefell v. Hodges makes no sense unless you treat homosexuals as a suspect class. That the the opinion didn’t use that term, and instead dressed its decision up in flowery language hoping to be quoted by teenagers in civics lessons in 30 years rather than by law professors in 30 years, is further proof that Anthony Kennedy is a terrible, terrible, judge. I imagine that if he hadn’t pulled seniority on it and the Notorious R.B.G. had authored the opinion instead that one of the first things it would have said is that homosexuals are a suspect class.

    The reasons why I am concerned about it are two fold. Firstly it doesn’t work. Time and time again we have seen with Trump and his ilk that if you criticise them personally or even individually about how appalling the are as politicians, government, or even as basic human beings, that Trump’s poll ratings go up. People don’t respond well to the personal attacks. What people respond well to is discussions on how terrible the Trump government’s policies are. Say Trump is inhumane for separating children from their parents – Trump’s approval goes up. Show those awful pictures of those poor wee children and show America the impact of the policy – Trump’s approval goes down. So instead of having a discussion about how Trump’s trade policies are making a company as American as apple pie to relocate production to other countries (a conversation that would go badly for Trump) we are having a conversation about Sarah Sanders (a conversation that is good for Trump).

    The second reason is the potential for escalation. In the UK the conservation, led by the political right and far right, using some very aggressive and distasteful language (including similar language to some used by people on this site, not just Allan, but others) was common during the EU referendum. The result was that an MP, a mother of two small children, was brutally murdered. Last year a Republican congressman was shot. Thankfully he, while briefly in a serious condition, made a full recovery. Someone should not have to die before we choose to moderate our language about our political opponents.

  168. There needs to be a way for civil society to take action against the outrages of the Trump regime.

    Looking on the bright side, at least after a time, you can get shot of Trump.

    We have six presidents at Brussels, and there is bugger all we can do about it.

    😏

  169. The result was that an MP, a mother of two small children, was brutally murdered. Last year a Republican congressman was shot. Thankfully he, while briefly in a serious condition, made a full recovery.

    Stephen Timms knife attack: CCTV shows moment Muslim woman stabs MP
    This is the moment caught on CCTV when Roshonara Choudhry stabbed former Labour minister Stephen Timms in the stomach.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8105085/Stephen-Timms-knife-attack-CCTV-shows-moment-Muslim-woman-stabs-MP.html

  170. Not only in Britain either Seamus:

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/german-mayoral-candidate-henriette-reker-stabbed-in-neck-by-man-shouting-about-refugees-in-cologne-a6698061.html

  171. The Independent huh!.

    No lefty bias there then?.

    😏

  172. //Roshonara Choudhry stabbed former Labour minister Stephen Timms in the stomach.//

    //you can get shot of Trump.//

    Well said, Harri.

  173. The Independent huh!.

    No lefty bias there then?.

    Shooting the messenger H?

    It probably didn’t really happen then.

  174. There needs to be a way for civil society to take action against the outrages of the Trump regime.

    Yes, two recommendations come to mind

    a)don’t act the moron. We know that Trump is a bad guy. You don’t thwart Trump by acting more the Trump than Trump is.

    b)nominate good candidates and work toward electing them.

  175. Shooting the messenger H?

    Yep.

    It used to work out well for you Paul in the past.

    Noel

    You missed out a bit..

    I wonder any?.

    Looking on the bright side, at least after a time, you can get shot of Trump.

    We have six presidents at Brussels, and there is bugger all we can do about it.

    😏

  176. “We have six presidents at Brussels, and there is bugger all we can do about it.”

    Not actually true. Of the major EU Presidencies the UK has a major role in electing them, equal to most member states in some cases, or greater than the majority of member states in others. The UK political parties, and electorate, has largely abdicated that responsibility however.

    The Presidency of the Council of the European Union is filled by the member states on a rotating basis. The UK is entitled to fill it every 14 years, and did so most recently in July 2005. In fact the UK was supposed to appoint the President of the Council of the European Union in July 2017 but declined to do so because of the decision of the UK to leave the EU.

    The President of the European Parliament is elected by the European Parliament. That means the parties with the largest share of seats in the European Parliament have the ability to elect the President. For the most part that means that the President will largely come from either the EPP group or the S&D group. The people of the UK could vote for those groups if they so wished. They choose not to and decided to vote primarily for the right wing minority groups EFDD (UKIP) and AECR (Tories). It also means that overall the UK has 73 of the 751 votes eligible to elect the President. And in fact when the EPP candidate Antonio Tajani, was elected in 2017 he was supported in his election by the AECR group, while UKIP most likely abstained. So of the UK parties who voted it was probably 21 who voted for Antonio Tajani, and between 20 and 27 who likely voted for Gianni Pittella. So there is a possibility, slim possibility, that, among those UK MEPs who could be bothered to vote, a majority voted for Tajani. Had the Tories not thrown their teddy out of the pram with the EPP then they would have likely had a role in selecting the EPP candidate. So it is incorrect to suggest the UK can’t affect the election of the President of the European Parliament.

    The President of the European Council is elected by the member states of the European Council so the UK has 1 vote out of 28, the same as Germany, France, Italy etc… It is also worth noting that the UK supported the election of Donald Tusk as President of the European Council.

    The President of the European Commssion is nominated by the European Council (of which the UK has 1 vote out of 28) and elected by the European Parliament (of which the UK has 73 votes out of 751). The expectation is that the largest party in the European Parliament gets to nomiate the President of the Commission (the EPP finished with the largest number of seats in 2014 and its candidate Jean-Claude Juncker was duly elected President of the European Commission). That the UK’s main centre-right party decided to leave the EPP (and have no role in the EPP’s nomination) and that the majority of the UK’s citizens choose to vote for minority parties, means that the UK choose not to have influence in the election. It was not deprived of it.

    The President of the European Court of Justice is elected by its members, the 28 judges of the court, each appointed by their national governments. So the UK, through it’s judge, Christopher Vajda QC, has 1 vote to elected the President of the European Court of Justice, out of 28 votes.

    The President of the European Central Bank is elected by the European Council. By convention, because the ECB rarely has any impact outside of the Eurozone, the non-Eurozone countries, including the UK, abstain.

  177. It used to work out well for you Paul in the past.

    Some far right winger probably didn’t attempt to murder Henriette Reker by stabbing her in the neck and get sentenced to fourteen years in jail then.

  178. “Yes, two recommendations come to mind”

    I don’t disagree.

    Hoover boycotts have their role in society as well. It is worth noting that other people have raised the legislation that was passed in Indiana when Mike Pence was governor. Now that legislation was subsequently amended to remove the anti-gay provisions within it. The reason it was amended was due to the boycotts and threats of boycotts that civil society and businesses imposed on Indiana.

    But yes working towards an anti-Trump Congress in 2018 and an good candidate to stand in 2020 for the Presidency must be the main focus.

  179. On a far more important note.

    Although the Argies are winning 1-0.

    Nigeria can still pull it off.

    😀

  180. No.

    The remote has just been commandeered by the female majority, and now apparently we have to watch some crap B movie “starring” Oprah Winfrey.

    😏

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  182. “Sarah, Stephen, Kirstjen, I hate to say this, but . . .”