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D Day approaches for Theresa May vs the Brexiteers.

By Patrick Van Roy On July 2nd, 2018

by David Vance

This coming week will see a defining moment in the UK’s planned departure (or not) from the EU.  After more than two years cabinet ministers should be nearing the conclusion of their country retreat at Chequers. It’s there that the prime minister hopes to find resolution in her team on a more detailed offer to the rest of the EU – easing, if not removing, all the contradictions in the Tories’ positions.

Tellingly, we read that “Theresa May has vowed to defy cabinet plotters, telling aides that she will not be bullied out of office by ministers or hardline Brexiteers opposed to her EU plans. The prime minister has decided to stand and fight if Tory MPs force a vote to oust her — declaring that she is content to “win by one vote”.

Why does she refer to those who seek for her Party to deliver what 17.4million people voted for as ‘hardline”? Is this further evidence of what Conservative MP Anna Soubry recently stated in a public letter to her constituents, namely that the Prime Minister wants a “soft Brexit”? Worth remembering that a “soft Brexit” is all about a purely nominal exit from the EU whilst remaining in a close relationship with it and paralleling its institutions and potentially obeying its laws and following its rules. In short, Remain.

Throughout this entire process, questions have been raised about Theresa May’s commitment to a meaningful Brexit. Alarm bells should have been ringing when she appointed Ollie Robbins to being her “personal Brexit adviser”. Robbins is the guy who came up with the idea of the UK creating “a customs partnership” with the EU. The plan would have seen the UK collect import tariffs on behalf of Brussels, while being free to set its own duties for goods bound for the UK. An outcry from cabinet members saw a retreat on this ludicrous suggestion but the very fact that is was suggested tells us all we need to know about Mr Robbins. He is a technocrat who is desperate to do a deal with the EU and is prepared to dilute the form of Brexit in order to achieve this. If that is the state of his mind, and he advises May, then I believe we need to prepare for a desperate attempt at Chequers to push through a further weakening of the UK position in order to get a deal.

That then raises the issues what will the alleged “Brexiteers” sitting around the cabinet table do when they are bullied by May and her Remain focused henchmen? They will be told that divisions amongst them will hasten a possible general election which could then auger in a Corbyn government, something no sane person would want. They will be told that painful compromises are necessary in order to get the EU to offer a deal. So what will Boris Johnson, Michael Gove, Penny Mordaunt, David Davis and Liam Fox do when the moment comes?

For the past two years, we have witnessed a weak Prime Minister piroutte to the tune called by the EU. Instead of asserting British strength and confidence she has seemed desperate to keep us in what she calls “a deep and meaningful relationship with the EU” – something the British people explicityl rejected back in June 2016. Come this Friday, she can no longer dodge and neither can those who posture as Brexiteers. D Day approaches.

I fear the worst!

53 Responses to “D Day approaches for Theresa May vs the Brexiteers.”

  1. Why does she refer to those who seek for her Party to deliver what 17.4million people voted for as ‘hardline”?

    How do you know that each of those 17.4 mill voted for a hard Brexit? Prior to the referendum for example some here were stating that membership of the Euro Economic Area could be an alternative to the EU. How do you know that that wasn’t voted for?

    Great all the same to see the Tories gutting themselves:

    https://twitter.com/AlanDuncanMP/status/1013676544945016832

  2. Here’s an interesting one:

    If we win this, that’s the end of Brexit because Mrs May will arrive with her negotiators and there will be no one for her to negotiate with

    Schindler’s arguing tha the Brexit vote should be considered ilegal as Brit citizens living in the EU for more than fifteen years were excluded from voting in the referendum.

  3. Schindler’s arguing tha the Brexit vote should be considered ilegal as Brit citizens living in the EU for more than fifteen years were excluded from voting in the referendum.

    Seems that both sides are playing the bad faith card.

    Short Europe.

  4. Seems that both sides are playing the bad faith card.

    Examples?

    Phantom, as I’ve explained to you a few times now, from the 350 million quid a week to the NHS to the EEA as an alternative to the EU to the ‘Good Friday Agreement? Fuck that’ Brexit has practiced bad faith since its inception.

  5. I’m not getting too much into these weeds, but I’d say that any attempt to pretend that the referendum was invalid, would be an example of extreme bad faith.

    Why is David’s comment being posted by Patrick?

  6. I’d say that any attempt to pretend that the referendum was invalid, would be an example of extreme bad faith.

    Oh please Phantom.

    Do you think that Brit citizens living in the EU more than fifteen years being excluded from having a vote on their future and status was democratic?

    Would you be happy with the exclusion if it were you?

  7. I’d think that the time to raise such concerns would be before the vote.

    Not one year after the results didn’t go your way.

    Not just bad faith, but extreme bad faith.

  8. I believe that if you’ve lived outside of the UK for a certain amount of time, you don’t get to vote in a parliamentary election either.

    The way that they organized it seems fair enough.

  9. I’d think that the time to raise such concerns would be before the vote.

    It was:

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/brexit-talks-illegal-uk-expats-british-abroad-not-vote-french-lawyer-julien-fouchet-european-a7745216.html

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/28/david-cameron-and-former-union-boss-warn-brexit-would-be-a-disas/

  10. Let’s get some things clear.

    The majority of those in Parliament want to remain in the EU. They are happy to take all the benefits but none of risks. They are nothing but parasites. Whatever one says or thinks about the EU, at least they want to weald power, knowing of course, that the ‘Little People’ cannot remove them.

    There are very few, if any, true Tory BREXITIERS. Chairman May knows it and has called what few there may be out on it. None want a leadership contest and a GE is simply out of the question. They’d be all but wiped out.

    Leaving the EU was never going to be easy. But planning for the eventuality BEFORE the referendum was stupid. One can only assume that CMD was given this advise by the Civil Service so that they would have a clean sheet to play with and keep us in.

    There is no deal ! This is just an excuse to handover loads of cash and concessions to make it look like we are getting something that the EU want us to do anyway.

    In short, we are being sold out. They know UKIP or any other political party cannot harm them and the next GE is 4 years away. Chairman May will be gone before them, elevated to the Lords. A new PM won’t come with baggage but will give it loads of pro-UK and anti-EU garbage. Secretly they will be a REMAINER so no change.

    Politics has always been a dirty business, but in older times such treachery was met with the executioners axe.

  11. Yes, and it was decided.

    Of course some French lawyer says that it was unfair. He would say that.

    If you feel like sharing – would you have a horse in this particular race? Have you lived in Spain for more than 15 years? Would you have voted in the Brexit referendum if you could have?

  12. At the time of the referendum I lived here for nine years. I was entitled to a postal vote and I voted to remain.

    Yes, and it was decided.

    You think that it was democatic?

  13. A case can be made for the other side, and maybe that case is correct, but I don’t see unfairness here.

    You need to have some sort of cutoff, and 15 years outside the country is a long time.

    British citizens AFAIK have long had a cutoff of voting rights after a certain number of years outside the country. I know a British woman who’s lived outside the UK ( in Bermuda ) for a couple of decades. She couldn’t vote in this one either.

  14. //Phantom, as I’ve explained to you a few times now, from the 350 million quid a week to the NHS to the EEA as an alternative to the EU to the ‘Good Friday Agreement? Fuck that’ Brexit has practiced bad faith since its inception.””

    Correct. A simple scan of “EEA” in the ATW archive shows one of our most staunch Brexiteer claim (before the referendum)

    The Single Market is the EEA, the European Economic Area. No-one is proposing to leave it, no-one is campaigning to leave it, and the UK will not leave it. The referendum is about whether or not the UK will remain in the EU. The question has nothing to do with the Single Market. If Brexit prevails, we’ll just slide across to another (category of free trade with the EU).

    A slide over miles of hot coals for Britain, more likely.
    In any case, that’s all a long way from “Out Means Out”, which Theresa May / Theresa May Not said after the referendum and which our Brexiteers then dutifully took up as a slogan.

    Again, an ATW Brexiteer

    Bottom line: when you next hear the PM or a Remainer talk in dread tones about “leaving the Single Market”, it’ll be a lie.

    No. The PM (David Cameron) was telling the truth when he warned that a win for Brexit would mean leaving the Single Market, and he’s now obviously been vindicated 10 times over. It was the Brexiteers who were lying.

    Another ATW Brexiteer approvingly quoted:

    The UK would still be able to trade freely within Europe even if it left the EU, Michael Gove has said.
    The justice secretary said the UK could be part of Europe’s free trade area to avoid trade tariffs, even if it was not a member of the EU single market.

    Michael Gove was for Leave and of course told lies, or at least made promises that he could not fulfill and lulled the dumb into a false sense of security about Brexit.

    Another local Brexiter (one of the sane ones):

    In any case, I’m always amazed at the Remain camp’s claim that “the UK would have to negotiate a free trade agreement with the EU…”

    Our colleague must therefore now be amazed every day of the week, as that’s exactly what’s happening, as Remain rightly warned.

    Just a few examples of the kind of of shit that was going down on the Leave side before the election, not just on ATW. It was a very British mixture of ignorance, lies, deceit and naivety at large. Even if the win margin was 19 percent, it would still mean that a decisive section of the electorate was deceived, and with a margin of only 1.9 pc, it’s obvious that the Leave win was based on manipulation and lies and that the people literally didn’t know what they were voting for.

  15. A case can be made for the other side, and maybe that case is correct, but I don’t see unfairness here.

    You need to have some sort of cutoff, and 15 years outside the country is a long time.

    Disagree in that this wasn’t about which party governs it was about the very fundamentals of citizenship which those taking the case still possess. You think it was democratic to exclude some million citizens from a vote which affects their status as nationals?

    Yes Noel, some of the Brexiest Brexiteers were making those arguments before the referendum.

  16. and not a word DV on the impact of Brexit on peoples lives
    I guess you’ll be alright financially and that’s the main thing eh?

  17. More wonderful news…

    The remain campaigning CBI has revealed 70% of financial services firms are increasing spending in the coming years, with the same number saying that they are ‘confident’ they will have plans in place by the end of March 2019. Pre-tax profits in the financial services sector have also risen by 118% to reach £28 billion, a growth of more than £15 billion, credited largely to a strong performance by HSBC. CBI chief economist Rain Newton-Smith said:

    “It’s good to see financial firms stepping up hiring and investment, with digital technologies and new services seen as the best way to grow in a fiercely competitive environment.”

    Contrary to the CBI’s own previous predictions, banks have ignored Project Fear, and instead focused on increased spending, employment and investment. In 2016, Newton-Smith said in a CBI report:

    “The challenges facing the sector have not gone away – they’ve actually grown. Add the uncertainty caused by Brexit to low interest rates, technological change and strong competition, and it’s plain to see why optimism is falling and pressure on margins remains intense.”

    More CBI nonsense debunked…

    https://order-order.com/2018/07/02/financial-services-hiring-and-investment-up/

  18. Oh you naughty globalists…

    This morning ex-White House staffer Ben Rhodes told the Today programme that David Cameron and his aides asked Obama to say the infamous “back of the queue” line. A flick back through Craig Oliver’s Unleashing Demons (via @mrharrycole) shows that at the time Sir Craig claimed the opposite was true and briefed the press accordingly. He recalled:

    “There’s some weird whingeing from the Leavers that the fact he said ‘queue’ instead of ‘line’ proves it was written by No 10. I slap it down. ‘Nonsense. The President can speak for himself’.

    https://order-order.com/2018/07/02/bang-rights-craig-oliver-claimed-no-10-didnt-write-obamas-back-queue-line/

  19. Anyway, maybe we should just call the whole thing off?.

    The Slimeball fraudster Mandelson, along with the creature Blair, and his pet monster Campbell, and other assorted globalists “demand” it.

    😏

    “The Blair get rich project” must under no circumstances be derailed.

  20. Lawless Land
    3 hours ago
    Will Leaving the EU turn out like the millennium bug?

    Or Acid Rain.

    “Brexit means Brexit”.

    Accept it doesn’t.

  21. The EU, is just so great..

    Apart from the staggering avarice and Political megalomania of Brussels.

    Since the Chinese banned waste imports, the shipments are being diverted to other Asian countries. Dr Mikko Paunio of the GWPF said:

    “The effects look as though they will be appalling. We can expect a great deal more plastic to end up in the environment, and in the oceans in particular. If the EU was serious about its war against marine pollution it should consider banning the export of plastic recyclate rather than banning plastic straws or taxing incineration.”

    This large quantity of waste being exported is mainly caused by High Landfill Taxes set by the EU which force European countries to send their waste to countries where environmental standards are poorly enforced. EU waste isn’t only financial…

    https://order-order.com/2018/07/02/eu-shipping-plastic-waste-asia-marine-disposal/

  22. Harri, I’m afraid this is another subject you know little about. The plastic “waste” exported to China is not a waste in China, but a raw material that Chinese industry needs and pays handsomely for. You will have noticed that Chinese industry produces a lot of plastic products.

    The reason Europen countries export so much is simply because they collect most plastic waste proportionally. But the biggest exporter of plastic waste to China is the US.
    BTW the graph you link to doesn’t show waste from the EU but from the UK!

  23. Noel

    Hopefully when we finally leave the stupid club, our green and pleasant land will be spared the spreading of the horrific “green waste”.

    By the way, why are my German shares plunging faster than a ferret up a drainpipe?.

    😏

  24. //By the way, why are my German shares plunging faster than a ferret up a drainpipe?.//

    Harri, if you have to ask that, you really shouldn’t be playing on the stock market.

    The answer is all the talk of Trump starting a trade war and the fear it could affect German exports.

  25. Harri, if you have to ask that, you really shouldn’t be playing on the stock market.

    Someone, once again really hasn’t been paying any attention..tsk, tsk.

    I get paid in cash and shares.

    I thought you lived in Germany?.

  26. BTW the graph you link to doesn’t show waste from the EU but from the UK!

    Noel

    You simply must try and do better.

    😁

    This large quantity of waste being exported is mainly caused by High Landfill Taxes set by the EU which force European countries to send their waste to countries where environmental standards are poorly enforced. EU waste isn’t only financial…

  27. So, May’s going for the Blair ‘Third Way’ without actually telling anyone what it is?:

    A third option is on the table, believed to involve “alignment” with the EU in regulations covering trade in goods but a looser relationship for services.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-44671507

    Betraying Boris is straight out of the traps twisting the Rhees – Mogg knife already:

    https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1013826265739157505

    Magnificent.

  28. So, May’s going for the Blair ‘Third Way’ without actually telling anyone what it is?:

    Irrelevant.

    Without even looking at it, the emperors at Brussels have rejected it.

  29. EU REJECTS Theresa May’s ‘third way’ proposals BEFORE they’re even published
    BREXIT talks have been plunged into further chaos after EU officials apparently dismissed Theresa May’s proposals as unrealistic.

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/982553/Brexit-latest-news-Theresa-May-white-paper-Cabinet-Chequers-EU-Brussels

    Hotel California.

  30. Irrelevant.

    Without even looking at it, the emperors at Brussels have rejected it.

    I suppose it comes down to whether you believe the sExpress and its ‘European sources’ that have told them about the rejection H ‘apparently’:

    Sources in both the European Council and the European Commission deny they have seen a draft of the UK’s Brexit White Paper.

    Officials in Brussels predict it will mostly be a compilation of existing British positions – “a best of” is how one described it.

  31. Hotel California.

    There is no escape.

  32. Oh Jesus, this is solid gold. You really, really couldn’t make it up 🙂

    A City firm co-founded by the influential Conservative backbencher, Jacob Rees-Mogg, has set up an investment fund in Ireland and is warning prospective clients about the financial dangers of the sort of hard Brexit favoured by the Tory MP.

    London-based Somerset Capital Management (SCM) described Brexit as a risk in a prospectus to a new fund it launched in March, which has been marketed to international investors who want to keep their money in the EU long-term.

    The disclosure is embarrassing for Rees-Mogg, who works part time at Somerset Capital in addition to his work as an MP. The parliamentarian has repeatedly dismissed the concerns of those worried about the financial risks of Brexit and has argued the UK needs to quit the single market and customs union so the country is not a “rule taker” from Brussels

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jun/14/brexit-warning-investment-firm-somerset-capital-management-jacob-rees-mogg

  33. Paul

    How many more times need I remind everyone.

    ALL of them are insufferable oafs.

    “Politicians are the lowest form of life on earth, and liberals are the lowest form of politicians”

    General Patton.. I think.

    Or someone else with vision.

  34. Multi millionaire Rhees Mogg warning his wealthy clients about the financial dangers of the sort of hard Brexit favoured by the Tory MP while advocating for the hard Brexit that he’s warning against?

    Gonna have it hard financially? Fuck you little people I’m a multi millionaire like my rich clients who I’m advising to keep their money in the EU.

    Breathtaking hypocrisy.

  35. D day is approaching the sheer avarice and political megalomaniacs at the palaces of Brussels.

    Go on Italy, do it.

    We will TEAR DOWN the Brussels wall’ EU panic as eurosceptic Lega SOAR in Italy polls
    THE European Union has been dealt a crushing blow as Matteo Salvini warned Italy is ready to “ignore” the bloc’s regulations and “tear down the Brussels wall”, as support to his party soared in the polls.

    Speaking about the one-month old government’s priorities for the country, he said: “We will try to comply to European regulations, but we are ready to ignore them for the good of Italians.

    “If to see our people become wealthier I will have to ignore numbers imposed by Brussels, to me those numbers will be worth less than zero.

    “It was once deemed impossible to bring down the Berlin Wall.

    “The next wall we will tear down will be the one of Brussels.”

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/982768/eu-news-matteo-salvini-lega-italy-latest-poll-immigration-policy

    Tear it down, and salt the earth afterwards.

  36. Matteo Salvini – If to see our people become wealthier

    Jacob Rhees Mogg – Gonna have it hard financially? Fuck you little people I’m a multi millionaire like my rich clients who I’m advising to keep their money in the EU.

  37. Jacob Rhees Mogg – Gonna have it hard financially? Fuck you little people I’m a multi millionaire like my rich clients who I’m advising to keep their money in the EU

    Except, it’s not quite like that is it Paul. Look I am not defending the bloke, he’s a politician after all, therefore only warrants contempt.

    Rees-Mogg is a non-executive chair at SCM and is paid about £14,000-a-month for working 30 hours a month there. Earlier on Wednesday, he defended the decision by the investment firm to create a new investment fund in Ireland.

    “A number of existing and prospective clients requested domiciled access to Somerset’s products,” he told the Daily Telegraph. “The decision to launch the fund was nothing whatsoever to do with Brexit.

    Hard Brexit Tories pressure May over customs union

    Rees-Mogg said that SCM had funds based across the world and that “people outside the EU are used to Irish domiciled funds”. The warnings in the prospectus, he said, were “not a policy statement by SCM”, but guidance to investors that was drafted by lawyers.

    He has complained about “endless scare-stories about project fear”. In February, he was a signatory to a letter to the prime minister, Theresa May, demanding a hard Brexit that was described by one party colleague as a “ransom note”.

  38. yeah thing about rees mogg harri, for me is he’s a real idealogue and that drives his statements, this Brexit is gonna happen i have accepted that despite my railings all I’m asking for is a pragmatic approach and it seems to me rees-mogg is an extremist just recently he has threatened to unseat May if she engages in compromise. I think that is way too ideological, maybe you disagree ..

  39. Except, it’s not quite like that is it Paul

    Except it’s exactly like that Harri.

    Look, JRM is already a multi – millionaire who gets paid £168,000 a year for working a 7.5 working week. The capital management firm which he co-founded has:

    described Brexit as a risk in a prospectus to a new fund it launched in March

    not a policy statement by SCM?

    guidance to investors that was drafted by lawyers?

    Of course, SCM would never follow advice from lawyers and would never include something that was “not a policy statement by SCM” in their prospectus

    Attempted deniable plausability and more extreme bad faith from Brexiteers.

    Fuck you little people I’m a multi millionaire like my rich clients who I’m advising to keep their money in the EU.

  40. Paul

    A large percentage of Politicians are millionaires, and none of them give a fuck about the little people, never have, and never will.

  41. Yet but how many of them strongly advocate one thing for the little people while suggesting the absolute opposite for their multi millionaire cronies and clients?

    Exceptional bad faith.

  42. Paul

    Behind cloised doors in the corridor’s of power.

    Most of them probably.

  43. Certainly no ‘probably’ about it in the case of this Brexiest Brexiteer though.

  44. Paul

    A good start to real “change” – would be to ban the word “Honorable” from Westminster.

  45. JRM, the Brexi’s champion, has demonstrated just what he really thinks.

    Hypocritical, fraudulent, extreme bad faith.

  46. A large percentage of Politicians are millionaires

    A million dollars ( or a million pounds ) isn’t exactly what it used to be. It’s not 1954 anymore. And I’d like to see how you define “ millionaire “ in the first place ( seriously )

    none of them give a fuck about the little people, never have, and never will.

    Wild exaggeration there. Honest men like say John Hume and Jimmy Carter should never be confused with thieves like Tony Blair, the Clintons and Donald Trump. The first two have dedicated their entire lives in the service of the so called little people

  47. that is true and well said phantom and those example just happen to be labour/liberal/progressive can you think of many on the Right who are dedicated public servants or have been?
    I can say John Major was a man of the people, he strove for a classless britain.

  48. Phantom, you brought up the issue of bad faith above. Would you agree that the example of the Brexiteers champion JRM above is extreme bad faith?

    BTW, I think Hume was a bit of an egocentric meglomaniac but generally agree with your sentiments.

  49. You might have to go back to Dwight Eisenhower here. Though he was a centrist by today’s standard, not a right winger IMO.

    Here, now, the right are openly on the side of the rich, especially those who have inherited their wealth. They give crumbs to the working poor and tens of millions to their pals.

  50. Business running out of patience on Brexit, warn City organisations
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-uk-businesses-breaking-point-eu-trade-deal-talks-stall-a8428136.html
    is that the wrong newspaper? shall e shoot the messenger, bbc running it, guardian running it.
    phantom we’re getting like USA the daily mail aren’t running it , how long before we hear cries of fake news as the pressure ( already at boiling point) exceeeds ..
    totally unacceptable this ..

  51. Haven’t read much about Rhee Morgan.

    I’d think that every smart investor in the world is concerned about how a possible future dysfunctional UK / EU relationship will harm the world economy

    It sounds like he may be a world-class hypocrite.

  52. its a classic dupe this Brexit aka rope a dope
    Just like Ian Paisley of old harnessed his base
    Brexit posh boys + comfortable m/class like right-wing on ATW
    pushed the vote
    Papers like Mail ran the scare stories , whipped up the fear
    working class caught in the middle swung behind them

    result: Brexit ref won
    posh boys will be ok financially
    Nordies will be told to stop being lazy and feckless
    Once we’re out of Brexit
    In other words all they’ll will get from Brexiteer Overlords is
    Pain and more pain..

    and that is how to manipulate the white working class folks
    similar things happen all over when you let in right wing gov’ts

  53. //Phantom, you brought up the issue of bad faith above. //

    Yes, and I’m still waiting for a reply to my July 2nd, 2018 at 1:48 PM.

    Although I suppose silence is also a kind of reply. 🙂