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ATW OPEN THREAD

By Pete Moore On July 8th, 2018

Phew, we’re having quite the summer in Blighty. Combined with the World Cup, beer consumption must be sky high. Mine will be up this evening, at a BBQ. Have yourselves an open thread then. One decorated with a little corner of England this weekend.

Tell us what you know.

38 Responses to “ATW OPEN THREAD”

  1. //Combined with the World Cup, beer consumption must be sky high//

    I heard there was beer rationing in Britain during the World Cup because of some CO2 shortage or something.

    Did you manage to get your hands on some extra ration cards, by any chance?

    Imagine: Guinness on the black market. A cool thought.

  2. The Brexit “deal” approved at Chequers on Friday could rapidly unravel:

    “From the flurry of joint op-eds from Cabinet Ministers today, you might be forgiven for thinking that the Chequers deal is the deal. But, of course, it is not. Rather, it is the UK’s government opening position in the negotiation on the future relationship. So, logically, you would expect the government to have to make more concessions.

    The problem for the ministerial Brexiteers is that what the EU is likely to demand will make the deal much more difficult to defend. Take, for instance, parliament’s role in having to pass any changes to the so-called ‘common rulebook’ between the UK and the EU. Number 10 likes to talk about this as a ‘parliamentary lock’ on any changes that could be detrimental to the UK. On Marr this morning, Michael Gove was emphasising how this provision would allow the UK to diverge in future in areas where it was in the UK’s interest to do so…”

    https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/07/how-much-more-unpalatable-will-the-eu-make-this-deal/

  3. And Theresa May could be facing a leadership challenge very soon:

    https://order-order.com/2018/07/08/andrea-jenkyns-100-ready-trigger-tory-leadership-contest/

  4. peter i think the hard-men on the Right are just making noises, the want a NO deal
    and so are prepared to support the PM, but privately hope it will sink .
    If I’m wrong might be labour who are the winners here ..
    once a gammon always a gammon, you can’t take the red face away, so the huffing and puffing won’t cease . we will see what unfolds .. popcorn time for those of us on the Left .

  5. Jude

    I think a leadership challenge to May is quite possible but will probably fail. But she knows that she will not be leading the Tories into the next election, whenever that occurs.

  6. My support for England has cooled after seeing this

    What will these girly men do if England wins the whole thing?

    Maybe better that Croatia wins

    https://www.bardown.com/english-soccer-fans-celebrate-win-over-sweden-by-trashing-london-ikea-store-1.1133562

  7. English soccer fans celebrate win over Sweden by trashing London IKEA store

    “They jumped on a bed”

  8. Is this the right way to act?

  9. The woman victim of Novichok in Wiltshire has died.

  10. It just rained here. Rain in the desert is a precious thing, and we just stood at the door and watched it lash the tree. The smell of a fresh rain is divine!

  11. Noel, on July 8th, 2018 at 10:28 PM Said:

    The woman victim of Novichok in Wiltshire has died.

    Novichok – the most dangerous nerve agent yet made. Yeah, whatever.

    In any case, the junkies were expendable and they’ll run the narrative until another death is needed. Radio 4 is ramping up the rhetoric about Russia murdering British citizens on British soil etc.

    Interestingly, and to fit in with the narrative, the externally-editable wiki says this about the stability of Novichok…….

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novichok_agent

    Lifetime

    According to Vladimir Uglyov, who worked on the development of Novichok , it is very stable with a slow evaporation rate and can remain dangerous for years once deployed. [65]

    The reference 65 is an article in The Independent……

    “This is how two people could have been poisoned with novichok again”. The Independent. Retrieved 2018-07-06.

    This little nugget is necessary to support the second poisoning narrative and was added susbequent to that event – a very important addition for those who (want to) believe the story

  12. BOOM:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44761056?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_breaking&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=news_central

    Brexit Secretary David Davis has resigned from the UK government.

    His resignation comes days after Theresa May secured the cabinet’s backing for her Brexit plan despite claims from Brexiteers that it was too “soft”.

    Mr Davis was appointed Brexit secretary in 2016 and was responsible for negotiating the UK withdrawal from the EU.

    A Brexiteer hailed his resignation as a “principled and brave decision”.

    Conservative MP Peter Bone said Mr Davis had “done the right thing”, adding: “The PM’s proposals for a Brexit in name only are not acceptable.”

  13. After weeks of humid hell, we’ve had three days of drier, lovely seasonal weather. mile bike ride through some of the prettier, leafy low traffic streets not far from me in Brooklyn.

    Every time, new things to see, new routes discovered.

  14. Yes Pete, boom. But only if Boris and a few others follow him.

    We live in interesting times for sure.

  15. Another victim of Putin dies in England:

    “Police have launched a murder inquiry after a woman exposed to nerve agent Novichok in Wiltshire died. Dawn Sturgess, 44, died in hospital on Sunday evening after falling critically ill on 30 June. Charlie Rowley, 45, who was also exposed to the nerve agent in Amesbury, remains critically ill in hospital.

    Theresa May said she was “appalled and shocked” by the death, which comes after the poisoning of Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia in Salisbury. A post-mortem examination of Ms Sturgess, from Durrington, is due to take place and her family has been informed, police said. The investigation is being led by detectives from the Counter-Terrorism Policing Network and about 100 detectives are working on the case alongside Wiltshire Police.”

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44760875

  16. Peter, on July 9th, 2018 at 12:29 AM Said:

    Another victim of Putin dies in England:

    yeah – Putin ordered a nerve agent hit on two junkies in a town three miles from Porton Down during the World Cup

  17. Who told you that the victims were junkies?

    What is the big deal that this happens during some soccer match?

    You are adding two and two and coming up with a total of 762 1/3

  18. Phantom,

    You are adding two and two and coming up with a total of 762 1/3

    Mathematics is not Allan’s Strong point. Now talking shite, he could win an Olympic gold at that.
    He should be pleased anyway, he keeps complaining that the most deadly nerve agent hasn’t killed anyone so far, and now it has. I’m only joking of course, Allan will come up with some more conspiracy bullshit to explain away the death.

  19. wow we are one step closer to abandoning this Brexit farce after Davis Resignation
    I’m certain Cameron has advised Boris to stay in the cabinet, but Boris has said this EU deal is such that it’s prolly better to stay in the EU
    Remainers are delighted, indeed so are Hard Leavers at this news

  20. apparently David Davis is furious that ministers who might not have agreed the deal at Chequers were not even offered their bus-fare home .. lol

  21. Hrri, on this day of rage we need you man , missing the streams of 10 comments unanswered
    as you type and press send at the first thing that comes into your head 🙂

  22. https://www.thedailybeast.com/novichok-victim-dies-did-the-kremlin-really-lose-control-of-its-deadliest-poisons?ref=home

    The masterminds of the Skripal attack, at least, are thought to be in the Russian government, which already is likely to put them beyond the reach of the law. But a new investigative report in the respected Russian newspaper Novaya gazeta argues there could be other culprits. The article claims that novichok, the poison suspected in the above cases, was sold on the black market in Russia during the 1990s.

    Does this mean that the recent U.K. poisonings might have been the work of rogue criminals, not the regime of Vladimir Putin? It won’t be a surprise if the Kremlin makes that claim. And the Novaya gazeta piece, written by deputy editor Sergei Sokolov, does muddy the water around the U.K. cases— but it does not absolve the Kremlin of responsibility. Historically, there are many ties between the security services and the criminal underworld, with the latter often used as cover by the former.

  23. https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/07/09/beto-mania-sweeps-texas-218961

    Beto-mania Sweeps Texas

    Charles, Daphne

    Does Beto have a shot to defeat Cruz? I have a hard time seeing a Democrat winning Texas but?

  24. Phantom,

    Beto, aka Robert Francis O’Roarke IV, is my Congressman here in El Paso. He looks like a Kennedy quite frankly. I personally think he has a slim shot, except for the fact that Cruz has so much money.

    I personally don’t like his politics (he was one of 4 congressmen to walk out of Bibi’s speech) and he voted against Iron Dome for Israel and the defense bill. But he is a 4th generation El Pasoen (sp) that is very likeable. He understands border issues very well.

    Stay tuned to this channel…

  25. //Beto, aka Robert Francis O’Roarke IV, is my Congressman here in El Paso. He looks like a Kennedy quite frankly. I personally think he has a slim shot, except for the fact that Cruz has so much money.

    I personally don’t like his politics (he was one of 4 congressmen to walk out of Bibi’s speech) and he voted against Iron Dome for Israel//

    Sounds like a really great guy.

    Are these guys allowed accept foreign donations?

    (fantastic to see you back, Charles, by the way. Long may you enjoy rude health.)

  26. Thank you Noel. I’m glad to be back.

    Beto has a lot going for him. He has visited all 254 of Texas’s counties. Personal politics and shaking a Texan’s hand and asking for his vote goes a long way here. Given our great distances, he is really hustling. He’s a likable guy, whereas Cruz is not, IMHO.

    He may give Cruz a run for his money.

  27. Cruz is disgusting.

    He has all the personality of a dead snake.

  28. A snake we need. I hope he wins.

  29. This guy wants to unseat Cruz and walked out on Bibi’s speech?

    He has all the right enemies.

    More power to him.

  30. I do too Patrick. I’m going to hold my nose to vote for Cruz, b/c the fate of the Republic hangs in the Senate. If Beto were to win, it would send shock waves through the country and electrify the Democrats for 2020.

  31. Phantom, Beto also voted against “Iron Dome” to protect Israel, saying “some shrapnel might fall on innocent Palestinians.” El Paso’s small but influential Jewish community has their eye on him.

  32. //El Paso’s small but influential Jewish community has their eye on him//

    So that’s him screwed then.

  33. Phantom, on July 9th, 2018 at 12:41 AM Said:

    Who told you that the victims were junkies?

    What is the big deal that this happens during some soccer match?

    You are adding two and two and coming up with a total of 762 1/3

    The victims are junkies:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6729599/dawn-sturgess-novichok-family-drug-addiction-children/

    A family friend said mum Caroline Sturgess had claimed her daughter was not being given the same care as the Skripals because she is a “nobody alcoholic”.

    They added: “She feels that Dawn is not getting the same quality of treatment as the Skripals because of her background and the fact she’s an alcoholic. She’s seen as a nobody, really.”

    The friend explained how Dawn switched from a popular pupil at Durrington school in Wiltshire to a homeless alcoholic due to post-natal depression when her son Aidan was born.

    The pal said: “Her personality changed. She became like a zombie.

    “She didn’t care about anything and just let everything go.

    “She started smoking weed and over the course of time she turned to harder drugs.”

    Dawn was living in a homeless hostel 300 yards from the Zizzi restaurant where MI6 mole Sergei and daughter Yulia ate before they collapsed.

    Initially it was assumed the pair had fallen victim to a bad batch of heroin currently circulating in Wiltshire.

    And alcoholics too.

    The World Cup has been a positive to Russia with tens of thousands of fans seeing for themselves that Russia is an interesting country with friendly people who don’t want to nuke London, Paris, Lagos etc. Deadly theatrics like the Novicok circus are intended to demonise any target for aggression, like Saddam’s WMD and ‘babies being thrown out of incubators’ or like Gadaffi ‘bombing his own cities’ or Assad ‘gassing his own people’ etc – all demonstrable lies coming of the playbook.

    I note that…….

    Dawn was living in a homeless hostel 300 yards from the Zizzi restaurant where MI6 mole Sergei and daughter Yulia ate before they collapsed.

    So this expendable low-life is living a few hundred yards from the scene of things in Salisbury and then gets zapped by the same nerve agent in another town on the other side of Porton Down? I wonder what she and her boyfriend saw when the Skripals were supposedly zapped? The whole story is absolute nonsense – but many at ATW believe it

  34. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/05/novichok-wiltshire-poisoning-russia-putin-world-cup

    I seem to be the only person alive with no clue as to who has poisoned four people in Wiltshire. I am told that only Russians have access to the poison, known as novichok – though the British research station of Porton Down, located ominously nearby, clearly knows a lot about it. Otherwise, I repeat, I have no clue. I suppose I can see why the Kremlin might want to kill an ex-spy such as Sergei Skripal and his daughter, so as to deter others from defecting. But why wait so long after he has fled, and why during the build-up to so highly politicised an event as a World Cup in Russia?

    Dave knows that it was Putin, as does Peter.

  35. Allan

    Dave knows that it was Putin, as does Peter.

    And where did I say I know it was Putin?
    You constantly lie, and lie, and lie, and lie.

    You were complaining that nobody has died from exposure to this nerve agent.
    Now two people have died, but you just twist your conspiracy theories to suit that occurrence. Everything’s a conspiracy and only you know exactly what’s going on.
    You talk a constant stream of shite Allan.

  36. Allan harms any cause that he supports nearly any time that he opens his mouth.

  37. You were complaining that nobody has died from exposure to this nerve agent.
    Now two people have died…..

    The junkie boy-friend has died?

  38. Phantom, on July 11th, 2018 at 1:54 AM Said:

    Allan harms any cause that he supports nearly any time that he opens his mouth.

    Phantom, on July 9th, 2018 at 12:41 AM Said:

    Who told you that the victims were junkies?

    What is the big deal that this happens during some soccer match?

    You are adding two and two and coming up with a total of 762 1/3

    It’s amazing that some at ATW are so stupid that it has to be explained line-by-line again, and again, and again:

    The victim (Dave says that there are two dead) was a junkie and, as seen at 12.04am, the same questions of this entire farce are being asked by others…..

    I seem to be the only person alive with no clue as to who has poisoned four people in Wiltshire. I am told that only Russians have access to the poison, known as novichok – though the British research station of Porton Down, located ominously nearby, clearly knows a lot about it. Otherwise, I repeat, I have no clue. I suppose I can see why the Kremlin might want to kill an ex-spy such as Sergei Skripal and his daughter, so as to deter others from defecting. But why wait so long after he has fled, and why during the build-up to so highly politicised an event as a World Cup in Russia?

    I know that Dave knows that it was Putin. Putin decided that Russia’s prestige needed damaging during the World Cup so…….why not use a nerve agent in the UK?? Fantastic idea!

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