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ATW QOTD

By Pete Moore On July 9th, 2018

The gap between the public and the political class is so vast now: we vote for sovereign independence and a democratic revival, and they refuse to, or simply can’t, deliver on that. What a dire state British politics is in. The mainstream parties no longer represent the people. They cannot give the demos what the demos wants. Rarely has a political shake-up been as urgent and necessary as it is now.

The only solution is new parties, new politics, new everything. We need new democratic parties that will listen to ordinary people, engage with their concerns and their collective wisdom, and take them seriously. Davis probably didn’t intend to expose the deep, profound rot in British politics when he belatedly resigned over his party’s capitulation to Brussels, but that’s what he has helped to do. So we should thank him for that

– Brendan O’Neill

“The mainstream parties no longer represent the people. They cannot give the demos what the demos wants.”

The politico/media class hasn’t learned a thing. The Brexit vote stunned them. They genuinely never saw it coming. And every day, for the two years since, all they’ve done is insult and denigrate the 17.4 million. There’s not an ounce of curiosity about why we voted for Brexit. All they have is determination to stop the will of the people.

So we’ll have to make our own arrangements. We’ll have to find “extremists” who’ll deliver what we want. It’ll be met with horror that we actually don’t want to be bossed around by elites and experts and a class of international bureaucrats. Those days are gone. And when we finally get our way, it’ll be another stunning outcome for them, because they won’t see it coming then either.

30 Responses to “ATW QOTD”

  1. WE vote for sovereign independence and a democratic revival

    Is that Brendan O’Neil the Irish citizen? Irish in a Pete Moore kinda way maybe.

    I’ll say one good thing for Brexit, It’s unleashed some magnificent chaos on Brit politics.

    Greetings from San Fermin.

  2. Brendan O’Neill is British. He’s British in a me kinda way.

    I think he says something interesting. Can we possibly not fuck up this thread?

  3. “The politico/media class hasn’t learned a thing.”

    I think what we are seeing in the UK (and to a certain extent in the US) is a “tyranny of the bureaucracy” refusing to cede control.

    The New World Order globalists are losing power and there is literally trillions of dollars/pounds at stake. It’s not really about learning so much as accepting the lose.

  4. loss

  5. The mainstream parties no longer represent the people. They cannot give the demos what the demos wants.”

    No parties in our country represents the people. This is a very divided age, where the president and many other leading Dem and Republican politicians seek to make existing divisions worse.

    Is the UK that different?

  6. If people don’t want to vote for the main parties they don’t have to. In 2005 the two main parties got 65.2% of the vote. 1 in 3 people voted for someone else. In 2017 that number was 82.3%. People can, if they so wish, vote for other parties. People don’t. So if there is really a need for “new parties, new politics, new everything” then go for it. Nothing stopping you from doing it now.

  7. The UK isn’t that different. A big thing that is happening is the tyranny of the majority. A majority voted for Brexit. 52% to 48%. And suddenly, in the opinion of people like Brendan O’Neill, the 48% don’t matter. Only the 52% matter. And if you try to point out the legal situation, or the complexity of the situation, or try to advocate for the 48%, then you are an ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE!!!!

  8. Seamus –

    Yes, 82.3 per cent of the electorate voted Tory or Labour in the 2017 general election.

    In their manifestos, both of these parties unambiguously covenanted to leave the EU fully and completely – the internal market, the customs union and the legal constructs. Neither of these parties are now able or willing to deliver this promise.

    Brendan O’Neill’s point is made.

  9. winey peice by o’neill with a bit off added cheese by petra moore
    blame the meeja, blame the establisment is jusy an aul whine
    truth is brexiteers lost the arguement in cabinet and haven’t the numbers to force May out.
    Tough shit paddy !

  10. Seamus

    How should the views of the 52% be accommodated?

  11. Only the 52% matter.

    It was a binary vote. That’s how it works. 50%+1 is enough.

    But where was this concern for forty years, while we anti-EU people had the treaties and hundreds of thousands of laws foisted on us? Where was this concern for us? Fucking nowhere pal! So the 48% can now kiss our arses. They get the regard which they showed – and continue to show – to us, which is none.

    They have no idea of the ill-feeling that they’ve stoked in the country.

  12. Chris Green MP resigns as PPS (a low level government position in the Transport department)

  13. Can we possibly not fuck up this thread?

    NO!

  14. FIFA: “Belgium beat Brazil 2-1. How can Belgium be accommodated?”

  15. It doesn’t matter if the 52% won if they then turn around and elect people who could care less what the people think….. which is what you have.

    The people in the majority holding office don’t care what you voted for.

  16. truth is brexiteers lost the arguement in cabinet and haven’t the numbers to force May out.

    Why have had the vote at all if you then have the will of the cabinet to take into consideration? Does the will of the PM supersede the will of the majority? What a sham this has become.

  17. Pete

    Vicey versey

  18. Charles

    A majority of Tory MPs, including May, supported Remain in the referendum and that is reflected in the balance in the cabinet. But May has been on borrowed time since her election disaster last June.

    The Labour Party is equally divided with many of its Remainers now reluctantly supporting Brexit because their constituents voted Leave in the referendum. And its leftist leadership has always been anti-EU, whatever they say in public.

  19. Brendan O’Neill’s comment is accurate in the sense that neither of the main parties are capable of agreeing on Brexit. The referendum result went against the views of at least 75% of MPs at the time and that is where the constitutional conflict is evident. There is no precedent for this in British politics.

  20. Peter, thanks! You have explained pretty well why this is becoming a crisis. And I thought American politics was complicated!

  21. The always reliable Twitter says Liam Fox has resigned as well.

  22. This story is starting to sound like the times of King Edward VIII and the government of Stanley Baldwin, a constitutional crisis. Where is your Churchill? Not in this lot!

  23. fewsorange if Laura Kunsberg has it on her timeline it happened, if not its rumour m8

  24. Ever since the Referendum May has been playing for time. And it’s running out. Good as long as the planned end game is borked then we the majority shall the the Brexit we voted for.
    I appreciate the irony that it’s due to the stupidity and intransigence of Barnier et al.

  25. m8

    The only person to use that is…dom,dom,dom, PERCY!

    Well done my friend!

  26. The referendum result went against the views of at least 75% of MPs at the time and that is where the constitutional conflict is evident.

    Yes, and those snakes were happy to stand for election on manifestos which promised to take us, fully and cleanly, out of the EU.

  27. So nothing on the Laura Kuenssberg feed yet so I assume the Fox rumours are just that.

    Jeremy Hunt is the new Foreign Secretary.

  28. That’s twice today that the BBC’s Kuenssberg has taken a punt and been wrong.

  29. no petem she didn’t take a punt on liam fox

  30. Yes, and those snakes were happy to stand for election on manifestos which promised to take us, fully and cleanly, out of the EU.

    And we also know that manifestos have no meaning whatsoever:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2192093/Stuart-Wheeler-loses-EU-Lisbon-Treaty-court-case.html

    A High court ruling removed the last obstacle to Britain’s ratification of the European Union’s treaty despite Labour’s manifesto for a public vote.

    At the heart of the case was the question of whether a political party’s election manifesto was legally enforceable and whether the public have a “legitimate expectation” to see measures pledged during an election campaign enacted.

    The public has no legitimate expectation to see any promises made by any political party enacted – and that’s that.

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