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The Children’s Crusade

By Mahons On July 10th, 2018

Fantastic news from Thailand that the young boys soccer team have been rescued from the cave they were in. The 2 and 1/2 mile serpentine escape through water, dark, and danger was bravely and timely done. Now they can be reunited with their families.

Meanwhile in the US we can’t manage to reunite children with their families who were detained by immigration officials.

110 Responses to “The Children’s Crusade”

  1. All praise to the highly skilled Thai and international rescuers who saved the young men. I watched this closely every day, and never would have predicted such as speedy and successful outcome.

    And let’s not forget the brave retired Thai Navy SEAL who lost his life trying to help his fellow man.

  2. https://www.facebook.com/ThaiSEAL/

  3. If you don’t want your family broken up, it’s simple. Don’t come illegally to our country!

    BTW Mahons, Is it true that you ghost write ladies’ romance novels under the pen name of Ivana B. Kinky? 🙂

  4. Wrong to try to link these events.

  5. Thank you Phantom. My point exactly!

    May I also echo your praise of the Thai SEAL that gave his life for these boys.

  6. Charles – some of the people have sought asylum which means their presence was not illegal. And even those who were illegal shouldn’t have their kids taken thousands of miles away without contact. Private companies are now making money off of this.

  7. I think it is wrong not to contrast them.

  8. A clumsy stretch, from someone who knows better.

  9. Mahons, I’m not unfeeling about this problem. However the American justice system, of which you are a part, separates children from their families every day through incarceration. The nub of the matter is that you shouldn’t do the crime if you can’t do the time.

  10. Maybe if you considered the human face of our contemptible policy you could become enlightened.

  11. Correct Charles.

    We’re being played here.

    The parents are creating the problem.

  12. Charles – how many American children are moved 2000 miles from a parent who commits a misdemeanor and detained indefinitely? I look forward to your answer.

  13. That’s a good question, for which I do not have an enlightened answer. How much Pro bono work are you doing for the families so affected?

  14. Children being punished for the sins of the parents?

    Surely it’s not too much to ask that the child(ren) be allowed to spend their time before deportation with at least one of the parents?

  15. A lot. The Archdiocese of New York has connections to one of the facilities holding children near me and I have been trying to get them to use their influence to have the children united with their families.

  16. From Thai SEAL site ( autotranslate! )

    12 wild pigs and coaches out of the cave. Safe everyone.

    This time, waiting to pick up 4 Frogs.

    Hooyah

    A tip of the hat to all of them

  17. Paul, It’s a sticky situation at best. This is happening just miles from where I sit BTW. One solution is to house them at FT. Bliss down the road, but there were complaints that the administration was militarizing the border.

    The truth is that the Democrats don’t want to help children, but want to demagogue the issue to hurt Trump.

  18. Charles – what are the Republicans who have been critical of Trump’s policy been doing? Trying to demagogue Trump?

  19. Mahons, If you have been doing that then good for you. You are trying to be part of the solution and not part of the problem. It’s a sad day when this is not adjudicated in Congress, but we must go to the Catholic Church for help.

  20. Someone like Senator Flake of Arizona, a border state, has been particularly unhelpful to the President, to name one.

  21. Mahons, since you’ve put on the cap of the social justice warrior, maybe you could post about what you’ve been doing to alleviate this situation. You write eloquently and might change my mind on the subject.

    I am, as you know, a Republican with a soft heart! 🙂

  22. Paul, It’s a sticky situation at best. This is happening just miles from where I sit BTW. One solution is to house them at FT. Bliss down the road, but there were complaints that the administration was militarizing the border.

    I’d suggest that housing them together in the same location makes eminently more practical and financial sense Charles.

    I don’t care if it’s Reps or Dems who are implementing this policy, IMO it’s inhumane and wrong to punish an innocent child and while it may be legal it certainly isn’t just.

  23. BTW Charles, it’s great to have you back.

  24. Charles – I don’t think it is being a social justice warrior but rather basic human decency and respect for a fair legal process. There is nothing radical in that. I do not like personal professional testimonials so I’ll respectfully decline your suggestion.

  25. Thank you Paul. It’s great to be back, although I’m having surgery in a month and may be down awhile!

  26. Paul – the economic angle is there are big businesses with contracts to house the detained. Those interests do not want detentions to be short.

  27. If everyone who sneaks into the country gets a ” legal process ” that’s a great recipe for overwhelming the system.

  28. Those interests do not want detentions to be short.

    That is an angle that I was not aware of.

    Phantom, correct sir.

  29. Rapid return is one way from avoiding abuses by the private detention industry.

  30. Paul, the foreign reader can see from the thread what a contentious issue this is for Americans!

  31. Paul – the economic angle is there are big businesses with contracts to house the detained.

    I’d guessed that there was some kind of squeeze behind it Mahons.

    I have no dog in this fight but from where I’m sitting the separation policy seems unnecessarily spiteful, disgustingly cruel and certainly not just.

  32. Even people who sneak in illegally are entitled to due process under our Constitution. It is a separate issue from family separation.

  33. Paul – you’ve hit the nail on the head.

  34. I do not like personal professional testimonials so I’ll respectfully decline your suggestion.

    I respectfully accept your situation.

  35. I have no dog in this fight but from where I’m sitting the separation policy seems unnecessarily spiteful, disgustingly cruel and certainly not just.

    “But it was fine when Obama did it.”

    The children had to be separated because the parents are felons and in detention. If the children had been detained also commies would have lost their shit at that too. The result is that illegal infiltrations are way down under Trump. Even commies say so.

    https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/03/illegal-border-crossings-have-plummeted-election-day/

    Therefore the number of illegals dying has plummeted also. In future, many Americans won’t be raped and murdered. We see the same in the Med. Crossings are down because the NGO people smugglers are having ports closed to them. Therefore fewer illegals are drowning.

    A stern border policy and punishment for illegals is a humanitarian policy.

  36. Discretion about charitable work is called for here, as some have actually used it as a weapon

  37. A wise policy Phantom.

  38. But it was fine when Obama did it

    Was it?

    I don’t care if it’s Reps or Dems who are implementing this policy, IMO it’s inhumane and wrong to punish an innocent child and while it may be legal it certainly isn’t just.

    Glad we cleared that up.

    The children had to be separated because the parents are felons and in detention

    Pete, I despair at the sheer quantity of bollocks you sometimes talk. The kids are in detention too, is it really too mauch to ask that they spend that detention with at least one of their parents?

  39. Reducing illegal immigration is a worthy goal. Separating families to do so is not.

  40. I don’t care if it’s Reps or Dems who are implementing this policy

    Yes you do. You and the rest of the radical Leftists. No-one said Dickie when Obama was separating children. That’s because it was fine when Obama did it.

  41. Reducing illegal immigration is a worthy goal.

    Yet everything anyone ever tries to reduce illegal immigration is protested and blocked. Funny that.

  42. One problem here is that we are thinking of Western-European nuclear families. Many of these “families” are extended. For instance you might have one tio (uncle) with 10 nephews who are all aged 16. We see that here in El Paso’s public schools. “Undocumented” certainly applies to many of these people.

  43. Yes you do.

    I know that you love trying to tell others what they think but really I don’t

    It’s unnecessarily spiteful, disgustingly cruel and certainly not just.

    Yet everything anyone ever tries to reduce illegal immigration is protested and blocked. Funny that.

    Yep, just as well Tommy Robinson didn’t have his kids with him when he illegally entered eh?

  44. Nice try Pete, but family separation wasn’t widespread like this during the Obama. In fact Obama’s crowd tried joint indefinite detention which in fact was met with protest.

  45. Except that efforts to reduce illegal immigration are not always blocked.

  46. That must be why leading Dems, led by the great Bronx hope, are hollering to disband ICE.

    They’re great supporters of enforcement of immigration law.

  47. Speaking of housing families together, I am reminded of the ruins of the Japanese detention camp from WWII that is very near the Tornillo Detention Center today. We said never again, but here we go again!

  48. I think the calls to abolish ICE are misguided, even if some of its practices and costs need reform. It is a mistake for Democrats in Congress to call for abolishing it instead of reforming it.

  49. The calls for abolishing ICE I think will be received very badly by many in middle America.

    They are absolutely playing into Trump’s hands.

    He will portray the Dems as supporters of weak borders and he will be correct when he says that.

  50. I hope the Dems keep screaming to abolish ICE. It is a losing strategy for sure. It’s like saying the answer for crime is to abolish the police.

  51. ICE isn’t the border patrol but that is a distinction without a difference in appearances.

  52. Abolishing ICE, protesting the wall, sanctuary cities, chain migration .. on and on it goes.

    The Dems are not serious any more. They’re just a radical faction going further and further down the identity politics plughole.

  53. Letting illegals vote – absolutely being talked about for local elections

  54. https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/maryland-illegal-immigration-and-voting/

    Some Maryland Cities Think It’s Okay to Let Illegal Immigrants Vote
    By Sapna Rampersaud

    August 11, 2017 8:00 PM

    College Park, Md., has proposed giving illegal immigrants the right to vote in municipal elections. A recently drafted charter resolution would, if approved, remove U.S. citizenship as a requirement for voting in local elections. College Park would be the largest municipality in Maryland to adopt such a law; ten other towns and cities in Prince George and Montgomery Counties already allow illegal aliens to vote in local elections. The Baltimore Sun reports that the trend is picking up steam in liberal enclaves in the wake of Trump’s election.

  55. According to the College Park resolution, “the Mayor and Council have determined that it is in the public interest to change the qualifications” for voting. They propose creating a “supplemental voter registration list for non-United States citizen voters” who meet the following criteria: at least 18 years of age; does not claim voting residence or the right to vote in another jurisdiction; is not a convicted felon currently serving prison time; is not under guardianship for mental disability; and has not been convicted for buying or selling votes.

    So as per the ( Democratic )administration of College Park Md, you could be an illegal alien who has killed someone, but if you have served your time, you should be able to vote in local elections.

    That’s exactly what we are talking about.

    And where I live, there is one combined ballot on presidential election day. You vote for president but you also vote for state and local offices and measures at the same time, in my case on the same paper ballot. How diligent will they be in keeping the illegal alien rolls of voters from the citizen voters?

    There is a lot of talk about illegal aliens given the vote in NY, CA and other states. And the Democrat party owns all of it.

  56. Phantom, I believe in some states, I think Florida, they are thinking of giving felons the right to vote. I’m gobsmacked to read that MD is allowing illegals the right to vote, even in locals.

    Here in TX, an illegal lady was prosecuted and jailed for voting in several elections.

  57. There is a lot of talk about illegal aliens given the vote in NY, CA and other states. And the Democrat party owns all of it.

    More and more Americans have woken up to these crap sandwiches from the Dems. In a way, the crazy Dems paved the way for Trump to the White House.

  58. It’s a shameful, wrong thing, but people are pushing for it in a number of places, including NYC.

    But the Dems are not for open borders. Oh no no.

    https://nypost.com/2016/02/22/new-bill-could-give-illegal-aliens-voting-rights-in-new-york-city/

  59. Illegal aliens should not have the right to vote in elections. Even local elections.

  60. This is part of a larger effort to diminish the difference between the citizen, the legal alien and the illegal alien.

    The Dems won’t even use the term illegal alien anymore. They refer to them as ” undocumented “, people who forgot their document at the train station I guess.

  61. People aren’t pushing for it the DNC is pushing for it. They’ve been pushing for it for 8yrs. It is also why Obama shipped 100s of thousands of illegals all across the country. Funny how a large part of their majority wound in locations where if they got the vote they would tip the balance.

  62. Allowing illegals to vote in any elections is a prepostorous idea although IMO it’s not as bad as separating children from their parents by tens, hundreds and thousands of miles.

  63. Such bullshit from the commies.

    They hooted when Tommy Robinson’s children were separated from him. “Oh” they’ll say, “Tommy Robinson shouldn’t have broken the law.”

    So fine, neither should illegals. Lock’em up.

  64. I believe Tommy Robinson’s children are still with their mother and can see their father quite regularly?

    As I said, it’s just as well Tommy Robinson didn’t have his kids with him when he illegally entered the US.

  65. As we know from the ‘heart-strings’ case……..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsRl1DX5YWI

    it is all fake. Anybody who goes along with this nonsense is being played willingly.

  66. From the link at 10.57pm

    cassanoa
    cassanoa
    2 weeks ago
    Being serious – I wonder if liberals realize how stupid they actually are

    No, they don’t and they reckon that Rachel Maddow’s tears were real

  67. Here are children in Canada who have been separated from their parents. We haven’t heard of this because they are the wrong kind of children, as one can see from the picture of the ice hockey team:

    https://www.wsls.com/sports/semi-driver-faces-29-charges-in-humboldt-broncos-bus-crash

    Posted: 3:25 PM, July 06, 2018
    Charges have been filed against the driver of a tractor-trailer that collided with a bus carrying members of a Canadian junior hockey team, killing 16 people, authorities in Canada’s Saskatchewan province said Friday afternoon.

    The driver faces 16 counts of dangerous operation of a motor vehicle causing death, and 13 counts of dangerous operation of a motor vehicle causing bodily injury, said Curtis Zablocki, Royal Canadian Mounted Police Assistant Commissioner in Saskatchewan

    He was identified as Jaskirat Singh Sidhu, said Rob King, public information officer for the Saskatchewan RCMP.

  68. Allan

    Go to hell.

    Drunk/dangerous drivers who cause accidents are not ethnic specific

    A friend and members of her family were killed because the white Canadian driver of a tractor trailer fell asleep at the wheel after too little sleep.

  69. Phantom – Canada is a kindred country of the UK and the scale of death in such a case would certainly have been reported in previous decades. But an event such as what happened in Saskatchewan has had no reporting on Radio 4 yet the news reports are filled with the Thailand event – and this is definitely the case because I listen regularly to Radio 4 and I’ve heard nothing about the Canadian deaths. Why is that?

  70. Funny, I’ve never seen that story reported here, although I may have missed it.

  71. The deaths of the Canadian hockey players were widely reported throughout North America.

    Those poor kids were killed. There was nothing that could be done about it.

    The Thailand incident got way more press because of the highly unusual circumstance, and because those young kids were still alive, and people were hoping that they could be saved in that incredibly deep trap that they were in.

    Have a little human decency for once.

  72. Charles – you’ve heard about the girl who was (not) separated from her mother in the US but not about a Canadian junior ice hockey team permanently separated from their parents? Now if I were a conspiracy type…..

  73. Charles

    Oh you missed it. Major TV and newspaper story. Even Trump’s favorite paper reported it, several times.

    https://nyti.ms/2ErtTBB

  74. I missed it. My bad as they say.

    The Thai story is an uplifting one. Like the Texas baby stuck in the well and was finally rescued several years ago. It speaks to our better angels.

  75. I remember that story too. Very major story

    Baby Jessica

    But longer ago than that

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4294958/Baby-Jessica-opens-miracle-rescue-well.html

  76. Phantom, on July 10th, 2018 at 11:50 PM Said:

    The deaths of the Canadian hockey players were widely reported throughout North America.

    Those poor kids were killed. There was nothing that could be done about it.

    The police in Saskatchewan take a different view

    The driver faces 16 counts of dangerous operation of a motor vehicle causing death, and 13 counts of dangerous operation of a motor vehicle causing bodily injury, said Curtis Zablocki, Royal Canadian Mounted Police Assistant Commissioner in Saskatchewan.

    Why don’t you email the Saskatchewan police to drop the case because “there was nothing that could be done about it”?

    But there’s diversion in the air. The point is that none of the Canadian deaths were reported in the UK on wide-range media such as BBC radio 4, yet there’s plenty about the Thailand event. 16 deaths of youngsters in Canada, a kindred nation of the UK, and nothing on the main BBC outlets – why so?

  77. Baby Jessica was 30 YEARS ago?! My God I’m getting old!

    It’s funny how the days drag on, but the years fly by.

  78. Allan, you seem to be implying that to the media, white lives matter less than non-white lives. I would posit that the opposite is true. White lives lost mean more that non-white. For example, Fox ran a story of newlyweds killed in a zip line accident who were white. But how many more people of color were killed that day?

  79. Phantom, on July 10th, 2018 at 11:28 PM Said:

    Allan

    Go to hell.

    Phantom, on July 10th, 2018 at 11:50 PM Said:

    Have a little human decency for once.

    Phantom – are you and Patrick sharing the same psychiatrist and meds regime?

  80. Charles – I’m being specific about the output of the BBC and I confirm that the flagship radio program Radio 4 has been filling the airwaves with the Thailand event, merited to a great extent, but reported nothing on the deaths of the ice hockey team in Canada. Now Canada is a kindred nation to which many Britons have links, and such an atrocity would have been reported in previous decades yet, today, nothing. Three reasons come to mind given that it’s the failure of the BBC to provide relative reporting:

    1. white lives don’t matter – demonstrably so given the cover-up of the mass-rapes in England by ethnics
    2. an ethnic culprit hence the compounded silence
    3. intent to weaken old links to white nations hence nothing on Canada and plenty on Thailand

  81. Allan, I’m no monitor of the BBC, but to me they do have racial components to it, even to the extent that “white gentlemen need not apply.” So you may be right about Auntie BeeB.

    He the story was reported, as evidenced by Phantom’s link.

  82. Well, it’s been a long day. Ni’tall.

  83. Glad to hear those boys have been rescued. Well done to all involved.
    They didn’t end up using Elon’s mini sub after all.

  84. The Thais and allies acted with decisive skill. Much better to do that then to test out the mini sub under such conditions

  85. Or with decisive practical skill

  86. Anyone reading Allan’s comments here would think the crash happened in the last few days at the same time as the Thai rescue incident. Misleading rubbish as usual from Allan. The Canadian crash happened in April and was of course widely reported as an international news story. But let’s not allow facts to get in the way of Allan’s relentless race obsessions.

  87. Anyone reading Allan’s comments here would think the crash happened in the last few days at the same time as the Thai rescue incident. Misleading rubbish as usual from Allan. The Canadian crash happened in April and was of course widely reported as an international news story.

    Colm – utter nonsense. I showed how differently the BBC reports an incident in Thailand and how it doesn’t report a fatal incident in Canada. Strangely enough, I’ve just read about it, and I didn’t hear anything of it on the BBC’s ‘flagship’ radio station. Be clear that it’s the sort of matter that I would have highlighted had I known of it.

    Did anybody hear any of this on the broadcast news? Oh yes – from way, way back in April

  88. The Canada road accident involving the hockey players happened in April Allan

    Do you think that the BBC should report it every day, every hour, for the rest of time?

    Is there a point in here somewhere

  89. Phantom – no, it should have been reported in April: it wasn’t

    Is there a point in here somewhere

    Errrr…..yes. Why not read posts at 12.20am and 5.41pm? They are just above.

    Do you actually read the preceding posts on any given thread?

  90. I have read the babbling yes

    But 1 million scholars could study those comments for 1 million years and not Make sense of it

  91. BBC website

    Canada crash: 14 killed in Saskatchewan junior hockey team bus crash

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43679808

  92. https://www.google.com/search?num=100&lr=lang_en&q=site%3Abbc.co.uk+humboldt+broncos+crash

  93. Phantom – no, it should have been reported in April: it wasn’t

    Oh FFS, it was reported by the Beeb on at least four different occasions in April:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43685217

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43679808

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43690187

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43815111

    The ravings of a paranoid delusional.

  94. He said that it was not reported

    I showed him the very major report that the New York Times date – one of several that they did

    Then he said it was the BBC that didn’t report it

    And then he was shown the reports by by the BBC

    Then he said that they only reported it in April

    But the accident happened in April

    This guy is screaming batshit crazy insane

  95. I’ll have to ask the dead-beats on ATW again – do you read previous posts?

    I was very specific about the BBC’s reporting or more correctly, the failure to report. It was not on the ‘flagship’ station Radio 4 which is the most widely accessible source for those who are not hunting through the nooks and crannies of the BBC’s website, as Paul has just done.

    Strangely enough, I’ve just read about it, and I didn’t hear anything of it on the BBC’s ‘flagship’ radio station. Be clear that it’s the sort of matter that I would have highlighted had I known of it.

    Did anybody hear any of this on the broadcast news?

    “Broadcast news”, “flagship radio station” (Radio 4) – and the events in Thailand are on each of these major outlets – but not so the deaths of an ice hockey team in Canada

  96. You don’t know what those stations reported on three months ago

    Get out of here and stop bothering people

  97. Phantom, on July 11th, 2018 at 6:39 PM Said:

    He said that it was not reported

    I showed him the very major report that the New York Times date – one of several that they did

    You really are off your head – I’m in the UK and I wouldn’t see what was reported in the US. I would have expected such an event to have been reported in the US. Let’s look at what you claim, and the threads above which show that you just don’t read:

    Allan@Aberdeen, on July 10th, 2018 at 11:20 PM Said:

    Here are children in Canada who have been separated from their parents.

    That’s 11.20pm

    Allan@Aberdeen, on July 10th, 2018 at 11:44 PM Said:

    Phantom – Canada is a kindred country of the UK and the scale of death in such a case would certainly have been reported in previous decades. But an event such as what happened in Saskatchewan has had no reporting on Radio 4 yet the news reports are filled with the Thailand event – and this is definitely the case because I listen regularly to Radio 4 and I’ve heard nothing about the Canadian deaths. Why is that?

    That’s my next post – not reported in the UK referencing the BBC’s Radio 4 and comparing the blanket coverage of the events in Thailand. If there had been any report of the deaths in Canada on Radio 4, I would have heard it and mentioned it here.

    The entire point of burying such an event in the website is to ‘non-report’ something of little importance because what is considered to matter really does get reported in the broadcast media (radio and TV) of the BBC.

    Paul – when did you become aware of the tragedy in Canada (that “there was nothing could be done about”)?

  98. Phantom, on July 11th, 2018 at 6:47 PM Said:

    You don’t know what those stations reported on three months ago

    “Stations”? No – just one station: BBC radio 4. I know what it reports because I listen to it. Three months ago isn’t too far away and I would certainly have picked up on such a tragic event but “there was nothing could be done about it”

  99. Yeah, you missed it so it musn’t have been braodcast.

    FFS go and give your head a shake. Phantom took you apart right after this :

    Allan@Aberdeen, on July 10th, 2018 at 11:20 PM Said:

    Here are children in Canada who have been separated from their parents. We haven’t heard of this because they are the wrong kind of children, as one can see from the picture of the ice hockey team:

    Now stop howling.

  100. The incidents were really different, one a horrible event that had happened, the second a horrible event that we hoped would not happen, and Allan is getting his past and present tenses mixed up

    Apart from that, he makes good sense

  101. The BBC clearly reported on it, simple Google search reveals that.

  102. Maybe there wasn’t a crash. Maybe they were all actors.

    Why not go the full crazy all the time.

  103. Paul – as asked at 6.56pm, when did you become aware of the tragedy in Canada, way back in April of 2018?

  104. Like you, I didn’t pick it up on the BBC when it was reported in April so I suspect I found out about it about five minutes after you read the apples and oranges comparison on some mooncat site and tried the same bullshit here with sane people.

  105. Paul – if the BBC really wants the public to know of something, it is projected into the public by their broadcast news on BBC1 and Radios 1 – 4. I know that it will be illegal to ‘offend’ homosexuals and to attempt to persuade them to cease and desist – thanks to Radio 4 because the BBC wanted the public to know. As for white youngsters on Canada, not important.
    On such a tragedy, I’m surprised that it wasn’t mentioned by a ‘good’ North American

  106. Take your meds.

  107. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

    Jesus Christ.

  108. They didn’t want to offend the gays therefore they overhyped the Thai cave story and underreported the Canadian bus crash story from three months before.

    Makes sense to me.

  109. lmao

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dh4YonTUYAMECGR.jpg:large

  110. Allan

    You were caught out lying in this thread. Quite simple. You compared the current degree of news coverage given to a consequent news item – the charges laid against a driver – relating to an event that happened 3 months ago – the actual date of the crash – by implying falsely the crash had just happened to create a comparison to a live event the Thai rescue which was happening now in an attempt to deceive and you were caught out.

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