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Good ole wisdom

By Patrick Van Roy On July 13th, 2018

I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.

Thomas Jefferson(Attributed)
3rd president of US (1743 – 1826)

53 Responses to “Good ole wisdom”

  1. “If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation ..”

    Jefferson understood what inflation is. It’s not an increase in prices. It’s an increase in the supply of money. Anyone who says inflation when they mean an increase in prices should not be listened to.

  2. Sure

  3. Good that you acknowledged “attributed” as this wasn’t a Jefferson quote.

  4. whose quote then Mahons ….. dazzle us come on you were there….. tell us who said it

  5. “The problem with quotes on the Internet is that it is hard to verify their authenticity.”
    ~ Abraham Lincoln (source: the Internet)

  6. 🙂

  7. “people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless”

    That quote obviously doesn’t come from the period of Thomas Jefferson or any of the other “founding fathers”, as anyone who ever reads anything from that time should realise. People – especially educated and intelligent people – wrote very differently back then.

    “allow private banks to control”? “until their children wake-up homeles”??

    Nah, that’s 20th-Century psycho-polemics of the kind you expect from the right-wing propagandists we often encounter here.

    It’s too easy to fool people like Patrick, Pete and Patty. It’s no fun any more.

  8. This quote is apparently falsely attributed to Thomas Jefferson.
    I mostly agree with the sentiment though, banks should not be trusted.

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/bank-shot-2/

    https://www.monticello.org/site/jefferson/private-banks-spurious-quotation

  9. Patrick – perhaps you reprinted “attributed” by accident and ment to suggest this was an actual quote from Jefferson.

  10. I print nothing by accident…..

    Still waiting for you to tell us who really said it…..

  11. Someone who was not the third president of the United States

  12. Phantom

    LOL. 😁

  13. Snopes says no, which means it’s likely true.

    Jefferson certainly is on record as saying that or something very close to it. That he was fiercely opposed to bank inflation is not in dispute.

  14. But it’s still a fake quote!

  15. Prove it

  16. A real quote, from JFK.

    I think this is the most extraordinary collection of talent, of human knowledge, that has ever been gathered at the White House – with the possible exception of when Thomas Jefferson dined alone. John F. Kennedy
    Read more at: https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/john_f_kennedy_114950

    http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=8623

  17. Pete Moore,

    Snopes says no, which means it’s likely true.

    How do you work that out Pete? the accuracy of snopes is actually very good. Do you have evidence to the contrary?

    https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/snopes/

    Jefferson certainly is on record as saying that or something very close to it. That he was fiercely opposed to bank inflation is not in dispute.

    Where is the on record I’ve saying something close to it?

  18. so you can’t prove it…..

  19. *where is he on record of saying something close to it?

  20. not one of the fact check sites are worth a damn.

  21. Snopes is indeed pretty good

    Really, the only people that dislike it are fake news guys like Allan Who hate being called out on their bullshit

  22. the truth of history

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=363ZAmQEA84&t=1s

  23. Patrick Van Roy,

    so you can’t prove it…..

    Phantom doesn’t have to prove anything. You made the claim the quote was from Thomas Jefferson, so it’s up to you to prove in is.
    What can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.

  24. Again this is typical of Trumpers

    They want acceptance of “alternative facts “ on the same basis of actual facts and are “ just asking questions”

  25. Phantom,

    Really, the only people that dislike it are fake news guys like Allan Who hate being called out on their bullshit

    That’s common for all conspiracy theorists. They hate being called out on their bullshit. Facts and evidence to them are like holy water to a vampire.

    This guy produced a very good video on YouTube about the moon landing conspiracy.
    He doesn’t actually take any side, but presents evidence being an expert in film and filmmaking, to prove that NASA couldn’t have faked the images. The evidence presented is indisputable, but the amount of hate he got from the moon landing conspiracy theorists was unbelievable. People like this won’t listen to evidence. They just want to hear things to reinforce their own biases.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_loUDS4c3Cs

  26. no it’s leftist bullshit.

    Except for the last twenty years where EVERYTHING is recorded quantified and filed there is nothing that can be said for sure on conversational quotes.

    None of us were there and everything is subject to the historians whim.

  27. http://www.angrypatriotmovement.com/who-is-behind-snopes
    But Lacapria simply joins the very small crew at Snopes who have existed as bias from the start. David and Barbara Mikkelson, the founders and proprietors of Snopes, have been found on many occasions to have “erred” on the side of the truth best benefiting the Left’s narrative on issues.

  28. Patrick Van Roy,

    Except for the last twenty years where EVERYTHING is recorded quantified and filed there is nothing that can be said for sure on conversational quotes.

    None of us were there and everything is subject to the historians whim.

    So based on the above you’re saying that Jefferson didn’t make the quote.

  29. thick as a brick…..

    No I’m saying you have to go either by their actual writings or the historical consensus, and the consensus says Jefferson said it.

  30. Dave did you listen to my music post…? I think you might enjoy it.

  31. Alternative facts!

  32. Patrick – the quote is not verified, surely you are not so far gone as to admit that. Jefferson, as Pete noted, wrote a good deal about banks, why not stick to the verifiable?

  33. because I like the quote I posted.

    You say it’s not verified, you imply he didn’t say it.

    It fits with his writings, it’s attributed to him, but you choose to nay say it. Not because you don’t believe it or think it belongs to anyone else.

    You nay say just to nay say.

  34. Dave Alton –

    We’ve had this before. The people behind Snopes are sexual deviants spreading far-Left agit-prop.

    This is a letter from Jefferson with in which he gives those opinions about banks.

  35. //there is nothing that can be said for sure on conversational quotes. //

    There is. You can say when it was first recorded.
    You can also discount a claimed quote if another person who was present didn’t report it, but reported, say, less significant things.

    The language used also tells us a lot. You, Patrick, are constantly bragging about reading texts from that period. If you really did read stuff from then, you’d know that people of that time used language differently, and certainly didn’t use the phrases the weay you reproduced above.

    BTW, did you not some time ago put up another “quote” you believed was from one of the founding fathers, perhaps even from Jefferson, perhaps even this very same misquote – that was later shown to be fake.

    Do you remember that, Patrick? Was it the same misquote?

  36. I believe it is attributed to him because it can’t be verified as a complete quote from his actual writings. Some of the lines may be his. In verifying a quote historians aren’t required to say who may have written it in whole or in part besides the attributed author. Why not just concede the truth, or do you want to defend made up quotes like the one Pete tried to claim was Hitler’s?

  37. yes I remember Noel it is the ONLY thing that I have posted to ever be proven false.

    Which is why (Attributed) is there.

  38. Lol. The only thing. You really must try stand up comedy.

  39. Mahons….. Why not just concede the truth the truth being you a) have no clue and b) because the academics who have studied Jefferson give him credit for it even though the exact words are not in his writings.

  40. Patrick Van Roy,

    thick as a brick…..

    Right on schedule Patrick’s started with the insults.

    No I’m saying you have to go either by their actual writings or the historical consensus, and the consensus says Jefferson said it. said it.

    No Patrick I don’t go with the consensus, I go with evidence. The consensus, is offten wrong.
    The evidence on the quote, if you bothered to read the snopes article shows that it’s highly unlikely that Jefferson made it. Based on when it was first circulated, the fact that it’s attributed to multiple sources, and the style of writing to name a few.
    Will you be going with the consensus if more than half the population of the planet accept Islam as the truth? Will you be going with the consensus if more than half the population of the planet become atheist? No. I thought not.

  41. My comedy routine would follow the vane of Lenny Bruce.

  42. Right on schedule Patrick’s started with the insults.

    not an insult a statement

  43. No Patrick I don’t go with the consensus, I go with evidence. The consensus, is offten wrong.

    do you believe in Global Warming?

  44. if you bothered to read the snopes article

    roflmao…..

  45. Patrick – just admit your mistake, people here want think less of you. They couldn’t.

  46. “won’t”

  47. Pete Moore,

    We’ve had this before. The people behind Snopes are sexual deviants spreading far-Left agit-prop.

    Yes Pete, we have had this before and I’ll respond with the same as request I gave last time. Please pay attention to this.

    WHETHER OR NOT THE PEOPLE WHO RUN SNOPES ARE FAR LEFT SEXUAL DEVIANTS, THAT DOES NOT CHANGE THE FACTUAL ACCURACY OF THE WORK THEY DO ON SNOPES.

    Do you understand this Pete? If you have evidence to show that the majority of the claims made on snopes or false then please present it.
    Because all the unbiased evidence, (not the biased websites Patrick links to), show that the Snopes website has a very high level of accuracy.

    This is a letter from Jefferson with in which he gives those opinions about banks.

    I never claimed the Jefferson didn’t have a similar opinion on the banks as to whoever made the quote. Let me spell it out again, there is no evidence that Jefferson made that quote. In fact the evidence points to the fact that he never made the quote.

  48. Mahons do you really think it matters to me what any of you think of me, especially you?

    What in my writing has EVER given that impression.

    I know what I write to the best of research has always stood as being correct. I don’t need to lie.

    and unlike you and others here I’ll debate why…..

  49. Patrick Van Roy,

    do you believe in Global Warming?

    You know I do. And that’s because I believe in evidence as I’ve already stated. And the evidence for climate change is overwhelming. In fact, there’s more evidence for climate change then there is for many other more accepted fields of science.

  50. Mahons,

    Patrick – just admit your mistake, people here won’t think less of you. They couldn’t.

    I’ve lost count of the number of times you’ve made me laugh out loud on this site mate.
    Thank you.

  51. Patrick – I don’t think anything matters to you more.

  52. FFS!

    Dave Alton –

    At 2.55pm I said this:

    Jefferson certainly is on record as saying that or something very close to it. That he was fiercely opposed to bank inflation is not in dispute.

    At 3.05pm you responded with this request:

    Where is the on record I’ve saying something close to it? (sic)

    I then linked to a letter in which he said effectively that. Please be so kind as to acknowledge that I gave you what you asked for.

  53. Pete Moore.

    I then linked to a letter in which he said effectively that. Please be so kind as to acknowledge that I gave you what you asked for.

    For fucks same Pete, I’ve acknowledged it. Did you not read my post? I’ll copy it again below:

    I never claimed the Jefferson didn’t have a similar opinion on the banks as to whoever made the quote. Let me spell it out again, there is no evidence that Jefferson made that quote. In fact the evidence points to the fact that he never made the quote.

    My point, which is a really simple one, is that there is no evidence that Jefferson made the original quote. That’s the only point I’m making. Do you understandm Pete?

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