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Brokeback Finland

By Mahons On July 16th, 2018

You almost wonder what more Trump could do more to please Putin if Putin actually was blackmailing him. Cause if Putin isn't blackmailing him them Trump is just giving it away for free. Their Renfield-Dracula bromance may be the weirdest relationship in American diplomatic history.

Trump might very well have antagonized and demeaned allies, praised dictators and undermined Western institutions anyway. He'd probably attack the press, former Administrations and political opponents. But where is his two faced inconsistencey with Putin? After all he displays it with everything else. It is damned odd.

Russian attempts to influence the American election by now are only disputed by liars and fools (Trump appeals to both). Whether there was collusion by anyone in the Trump campaign remains to be seen (his son's failed attempt notwithstanding).

Trump's victory was by the rules, but technical as opposed to a mandate which gnaws at his insecurity. That insecurity and vanity may be why he resists acknowledging the Russian efforts. But it doesnt really explain his denouncing the investigation. If his campaign wasnt involved you almost have to feel bad for the Russians. They need not have gone to the time and expense, since the chaos they wanted was provided gratis.

No doubt Trump will declare the summit a great success. Strike that, the greatest success. And Putin can go from having the World Cup to having the World Dupe.

250 Responses to “Brokeback Finland”

  1. // And Putin can go from having the World Cup to having the World Dupe//

    !!!

    (both of which, BTW, were won and lost by a technicality)

    As regards duplicity vis-a-vis Putin, Trump did in the last few days chastise the Germans for even doing business with Putin, and then declared the Russians to be a “foe” (along with the EU) only yesterday. Today they will inevitably be transformed into the best of friends.

    Trump can’t resist being liked, and pleasing people to get them to like him. Thus his nasty words about people when they are far away turning to warmth and cuddling when he’s with the individual.

    There were examples of this with NATO, EU states and Theresa May, and all in the past week alone.

  2. consise post mahons, yep you just wonder what Putin has on him
    #treasonsummit is trending on twitter
    Trumps definaition of strong is mean and dirty and nasty so he likes Putin
    The rest of the allies are weak lilly livered liberals accordingly
    This is the danger, no respect and trashing everybody like a spoilt brat at a party

  3. “Trump’s victory was by the rules, but technical as opposed to a mandate which gnaws at his insecurity.”

    You need to go back to high school and retake American Civics.

    He won by a landslide in electoral college votes. This is not a technicality.

    We have a Constitutional Republic. We elect representatives to represent us. Turn off CNN and read some civics.

  4. Fake news Patty Is faking it again

    Trump won no electoral landslide. It was a very close call that ran late into the night

    Bill Clinton had a 12% Higher electoral total

  5. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/dec/12/donald-trump/donald-trumps-electoral-college-victory-was-not-ma/

  6. Phantom why bother we all know the trumpatistas exist in bizarro world

  7. Patty – it was no landslide and losing the popular vote is not a common event. The failure to win the popular vote clearly bothers him and accounts in great part for his insecurity.

  8. It is a movement entirely unconnected in principle and facts

    PT Barnum said that there’s a sucker born every minute; Mencken said no one went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people

    And both were correct

  9. Such sore losers. But carry on. You are exposed for the partisan hacks that you are.

  10. Patty

    They have a big sale on Trump steaks at Costco

    Better hurry up and get some before they sell out

  11. Trump to Putey-poot….

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwlYo8EYTWI

  12. Here’s what I know: Hillary is not my President.

    President Trump is my President. God bless America and God bless President Trump.

  13. Well said Patty. MAGA!

  14. Patty

    Patty, on July 16th, 2018 at 2:43 PM Said:
    “Trump’s victory was by the rules, but technical as opposed to a mandate which gnaws at his insecurity.”

    You need to go back to high school and retake American Civics.

    He won by a landslide in electoral college votes. This is not a technicality.

    We have a Constitutional Republic. We elect representatives to represent us. Turn off CNN and read some civics.

    That is beyond their grasp.

  15. He won by a smaller than normal electoral margin And most Americans who voted voted against him

    That is not an electoral landslide, it is the opposite; And most Americans voted against him and no amount of bullshitting will change that

  16. Mahons’ link explains that a Trump’s election wasn’t a ‘landslide’

    Is it correct?

  17. Trump hit the necessary threshold of 270 electoral votes after Texas’ representatives cast their ballots. At the end of the day, Trump had 304 electoral votes to Clinton’s 227, and seven votes were cast for others.

    That’s a big gap.

    Rules, Laws, Technical Wonkery is how our government really works. As an outsider he has taken the profession politicians back to school and beat them with that 232 year old rule book… What’s it called?

    Oh yeah the Constitution……

  18. Totally off topic……

    Has the PRINT STYLE of the site changed for everyone?

  19. Bill Clinton had a bigger electoral margin

    So we agree that Bill Clinton had a much greater mandate that Trump has

  20. Patrick

    Yes the font is different I thought it had something to do with my computer

  21. Patrick, yes.

  22. no something changed trying to figure it out…..

  23. Bill Clinton had a bigger electoral margin

    So we agree that Bill Clinton had a much greater mandate that Trump has

    yup

  24. Dear President Trump

    I know you can do anything. We have this horrible weedy little font dominating ATW all of a sudden. Please can you MAKE OUR FONT GREAT AGAIN !

    Thanks

    Grateful Euroweenie 🙂

  25. roflmao

  26. I don’t think the Russian meddling effected the ultimate outcome, but you would think a sitting President would at least be concerned with the meddling.

  27. Hey Some guy in Scotland just told me that Trump is the new Hitler

    Is that really true?

  28. Patrick – back in February you stated that the indictments of Russian nationals then was all the Independent Counsel would provide. Now we have a fresh round of indictments of Russian military in a more advanced type of cyber attack. Were you wrong in Februrary?

  29. Putin just stated that Trump brought up political meddling, and Putin denies that the Russian STATE is an actor in these events.

  30. Well that settles it Charles.

  31. The Russian state controls many things in Russia

  32. Mahons, on July 16th, 2018 at 3:55 PM Said:
    I don’t think the Russian meddling effected the ultimate outcome, but you would think a sitting President would at least be concerned with the meddling.

    Mahons they spent $100,000 and engage in propaganda to stir the pot during elections.

    I have 2 things to say one if they effected the election by only spending 100 grand We need to hire these men not prosecute them. Money to run is the seed corn of corruption in all our politics. If they can win a campaign for only 100 grand we need to make it the limit by Law.

    And 2 propaganda during an election by enemies has been a tool of international political tradecraft for recorded history…. every nation does it, has done it, and will continue to do it. It’s called sowing the seeds of discontent….

  33. Putin is slick, that’s for sure. Good news conference. Jaw-jaw better than war-war!

  34. Putin called out those parts of AmericAN society that want so sow discontent between Mother Russia and USA. Trump is not part of that,says he.

  35. OMG – that was a great news conference.

    Did you catch Putin when he invited Mueller and his band of merry investigators to Russia to sit in on the legal questioning of the supposed Russian 12?

    and when he mentioned that Russia would like to question Mueller and his group as well?

    OMG – so good. No wonder this rogue Deep State of ours was so worried about Trump meeting Putin.

    It’s all a YUGE cover-up for some very dastardly deeds.

  36. Agreed Patty.

  37. Obviously, The “Russia” investigation is a political tool to attack our President.

    Otherwise, the “investigators” would have looked at the server. Some investigation….they don’t even look at anything.

    It is disgusting to witness.

  38. The DNC refused to allow their server to be looked at.

    Very likely as there was dirty things on it that they didnt want government officials looking at

  39. I can’t believe that last reporter had the balls to ask about the Crimea. Good for him. But Putin was prepared.

    Usually I would say to the President to leave politics at the water’s edge. However, Democrat politics has brought Russia into play. Fair questions for the reporters to ask, and fair play to Trump for answering vis-a-vis supposed Russian meddling.

    And Trump says the FBI can’t even find 33,000 e-mails! Priceless!!

  40. Putin said it best. I don’t trust Trump and he doesn’t trust me. That’s not the question.
    Real diplomacy is working on shared mutual interests as two sovereign states looking out for themselves.

  41. And the Democrat Congressional server that Debbie Wasserman Shultz had the Pakistani IT crook control?

    What happened to that server? Where is our FBI on that?

    Bueller? anyone? Bueller?

  42. Agree, Charles. Mutual interest. It’s not complicated.

  43. Patty

    Are we the only ones that watched the conference? The cat seems to have gotten many tongues!

  44. Charles: I think they are waiting for the MSM Democrat response.

    I just read that Brennan was on TV saying the Press conference was treasonous and that members of Trump’s cabinet should resign!!! lol

    THis kind of over-reaction indicates that there is something very big and very wrong with the past Obama Administration that is being hidden from view with collusion as the smokescreen.

    I think the Democrats are petrified.

    Where are the Hillary emails? where is the DNC server? where is Awan’s Congressional server?

  45. After all this time, those servers would likely contain little what is useful

  46. I dunno, Phantom. IT forensics can come up with pretty good stuff. That’s why Hillary and her minions took hammers to devices.

    What was your overall impression of the new conference? Positive or negative?

  47. I am away and didn’t see any of it

  48. Oh sorry, I forgot your a working man!

  49. The server just like the rest of the servers in question were controlled by the Debbie WashedUP Schultz side of the DNC which means the Clintons.

    I know that name sets some of you off, but a pattern is a pattern. The Clinton Servers were destroyed and never turned over, just as in the middle of a hacking investigation the DNC run by schultz refuses to turn the servers over to the FBI they turn them over to nongovernt security company Why because the security company is better than the FBI and NSI?

    No because just like the Clinton Servers there was material on the hard drives that could not be exposed.

    Yet Rosenstein with never seeing the forensic evidence indicts 12 russians. I want to see his evidence trail. As a pure exorcise in criminality the evidence is tainted by the third party.

  50. “After all this time, those servers would likely contain little what is useful”

    actually, the servers could give clear indication as to the supposed hacking and where it originated. but, as we know now, clarity is not the objective.

    the objective is political: diminish Trump with innuendo……hence, no servers.

  51. “Yet Rosenstein with never seeing the forensic evidence indicts 12 russians. I want to see his evidence trail. As a pure exorcise in criminality the evidence is tainted by the third party.”

    I suspect that there is no evidence- just manufactured hearsay.

    Rosensteing indicted 12 Russians yesterday as a “Hail, Mary” pass in the attempt to derail the Putin/Trump meeting.

    Today, Brennan says that cabinet members should resign because Putin and Trump met.

    What are they hiding???????????

  52. Collusion…..

  53. There is no evidence of Russian meddling, none at all, and the timing of Mueller’s ’12 Russians’ just happens to be coincidence? Sure it is 🙂

    Trump and Putin met without the presence of State Department ‘minders’ which is why the likes of Brennan are furious. Quite simply, Putin has told Trump what’s going on and Trump has told Putin that he already knows what’s going on.

  54. “Trump’s victory was by the rules, but technical as opposed to a mandate which gnaws at his insecurity.”

    Yes, the trick has long been known.

    When a Democrat wins, “it’s a mandate for change”.

    When a Republican wins, “he must compromise in a spirit of bi-partisanship”.

  55. Obama won the popular vote

    He had a hundred times more of a mandate than your dilettante has.

  56. Trump supporters really must be made aware of what is intended for them:

    http://www.unz.com/article/antifa-and-msm-openly-conspire-to-crush-debate/

    The Daily Beast’s coverage of the (Unmasking antifa) bill lovingly quotes Dartmouth lecturer Mark Bray’s defense of the group. However, this is self-refuting. Bray himself writes in his book Antifa: The Anti-Fascist Handbook:

    Our goal should be that in twenty years those who voted for Trump are too uncomfortable to share that fact in public. We may not always be able to change someone’s beliefs, but we sure as hell can make it politically, socially, economically, and sometimes physically costly to articulate them.

    [DNC’s Keith Ellison lines up with Antifa terrorists, WND, January 4, 2018]

    Thus, by Bray’s own words, it’s not “Nazis” who need to fear masked extremists who feel entitled to take the law into their own hands—it’s half the country.

    Letting a group like this operate isn’t just extreme, it’s a recipe for civil war.

    “physically costly” to say that you voted for Trump – this is what the Dems want. Read the link – it’s what’s intended for Trump supporters, and those with the plan are not joking.

  57. Phantom: “He had a hundred times more of a mandate than your dilettante has.”

    A “mandate” in a game NO ONE WAS PLAYING!!

    You’re like a kid using a baseball bat in a soccer match, hitting “goals” past the net and pretending your “goals” are legitimate.

  58. I just saw this……

    Russian attempts to influence the American election by now are only disputed by liars and fools

    Only a fool or a liar could have written that, and by inspection, it’s confirmed. Once again, what evidence is there of Russian meddling?

  59. hey Patty Trump won get over it
    Now you need to govern get into it

  60. Phantom, on July 16th, 2018 at 6:46 PM Said:
    Obama won the popular vote

    He had a hundred times more of a mandate than your dilettante has.

    and using a true mandate which he had he socialized and destroyed the American Healthcare Industry the very next election his mandate was ripped away from him by the people issuing a new mandate giving Republican control to both the House and Senate with the explicit mandate to shut Obama down.

    The Republicans once gaining control and their mandate then pissed on the American people and did less than nothing that they were elected to do…. Thus giving us Donald Trump.

  61. Obama is still popular in the US

    Unlike Trump he is regarded as a man of class and personal dignity

  62. “Unlike Trump he is regarded as a man of class and personal dignity”

    lol. ……maybe by you.

    I think he’s the worst President of my lifetime, responsible for a huge increase in racial division and discord.

    Oh, and he lied about Benghazi. Lied about Uranium One. Lied about Fast and Furious.

    Weaponized the IRS against the Tea Party. Weaponized the FBI/DOJ/CIA against his political opponents.

    Obama diminished us on the world stage – intentionally. He also made the economy languish for 8 long years through his love for bureaucracy, war on coal, ill-advised climate change regs. , corruption etc.

  63. Barack Hussein Obama threatened the British people for daring to vote for independence.

    He’s not welcome in the UK.

  64. Unlike Trump he is regarded as a man of class and personal dignity

    Yeah, sure

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8V6SokexKqQ

  65. I’m not sure that even Putin expected Trump to say that he found his denials “strong and powerful.” That an American President would side with a Russian one over his own intelligence community is shocking—but, with Trump, not surprising. Putin must be flying back to Moscow content, not because he did anything so skillful or brilliant in Helsinki but because he was simply smart enough to sit back and pocket one good hand after another. “Yes, I did,” Putin said, when asked if he wanted Trump to win. Smart bet.

    The New Yorker

  66. Allan

    I hope you got all excited with that video that you showed

  67. Obama diminished us on the world stage – intentionally.

    oh patty you never cease to have me roflmao
    tell me my dear did he do that to make kenya great again
    MKGA was that his secret motto
    lol you guys really are ballons of the 1st division .. but don’t let me stop you
    its priceless ..

  68. Unlike Trump he is regarded as a man of class and personal dignity”

    lol. ……maybe by you.

    Patty, you forget that he put Iran on the path to atomic weapons.

  69. who is the deadbeat allan doing the talking in the video?

  70. Fake news

  71. Allan Got all excited watching that video

    It touches all the bases for guys like that

  72. FBI Agent Strzok proved that Americans have more to fear from their own FBI than from Russia.
    That’s right, I said it!

  73. I should have known better than to click on that link! 🙂

  74. Patrick – your comment is unclear to me. Are you suggesting the Russian military’s hacking in and of itself is not an issue because “everybody does it”? And if I may ask, do you think the President standing next to Putin should praise Putin’s denials and dismiss our Intelligence agencies?

  75. //#treasonsummit is trending on twitter//

    Left wingers composed of commies and socialists have now become Cold Warriors! Give me a break. The Cold War is over, baby, and that’s a good thing.

  76. “Are you suggesting the Russian military’s hacking” — it’s drama time!!

    “Hacking?” you mean Podesta’s email that was phished? because that’s what we’re talking about.

    “Russian military?” do you know something we don’t know, Mahons? because without the server we don’t know if the person who sent the phishing email was Joe Blow or Ivan the Terrible.

  77. Obama diminished us on the world stage – intentionally

    Yes, of course he did. The only small thing is hat the world doesn’t seem to agree with you:

    http://www.pewglobal.org/database/indicator/6/survey/all/

  78. Paul, it’s only natural that other countries would agree with Obama’s attempt to diminish the USA in foreign eyes. Maybe he could find another Sultan to bow to.

  79. Charles – you believe the FBI as an institution poses a greater threat than Russia. How so?

  80. Maybe he could find another Sultan to bow to

    Unlike sword dancing with decapitators you mean Charles?

  81. Patty -haven’t the Russian military officers been identified?

  82. Charles – is Obama really relevant to a review of Trump’s comments this day?

  83. According to Agent Strzok, The FBI at high levels has prejudged cases against the President. Strzok was biased in some high level cases. His testimony was highly instructive. It left me cold.

    Now, is he and his femme fatale counterpart just 2 rogue agents? I hope and pray for our country that that is the case. Just 2 rogue agents.

  84. Alternate universe:

    At a news conference after the summit, President Trump was asked if he believed his own intelligence agencies or the Russian president when it came to the allegations of meddling in the elections.

    “President Putin says it’s not Russia. I don’t see any reason why it would be,” he replied.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44852812

    The POTUS believes his own country’s intelligence apparatus are the bad guys and that a Russian strongman’s word is gospel?

    My! We certainly do live in interesting times!

  85. Charles – is Obama really relevant to a review of Trump’s comments this day?

    Maybe not other than a compare and contrast exercise.

    Mahons, I know you were probably at work during the news conference, but I highly recommend watching it tonight.

  86. I think I’m entering “Deep State” territory. I must have a lie down!

  87. Strozek said the cases weren’t prejudiced. And he was in fact removed. I personally think his comments were sufficient to have him removed due to the appearance of bias.

  88. guy in the video looked like was under pressure to say what he said about obama
    what possiblke motive can you have for talking like that in a court or whatever.
    don’t gimme this crap about ” oh i said that because obama lied about taking drugs”
    nah its much more likely he’s a kiddie-fiddler and saving his ass, did a deal or similiar

    on Trump its is shocking to so publicly denounce your own intel sevices, that is traitor talk. imagine king henry the Viiith saying something like that . He’d be for the chop
    Its a disgrace and a scandal, to not that again backs up my point
    they follow the lawless one, and are completely deceived under a powerful delusion.

  89. Trump’s remarks at the press conference must verge on treason. He chooses to believe Putin rather than the US intelligence agencies and investigators. It’s good to see him getting bitch-slapped by his “own” side:

    “In a strongly-worded statement, US House Speaker Paul Ryan said Mr Trump “must appreciate that Russia is not our ally. There is no moral equivalence between the United States and Russia, which remains hostile to our most basic values and ideals,” he said, adding that there was “no question” Moscow had interfered in the 2016 election. The United States must be focused on holding Russia accountable and putting an end to its vile attacks on democracy.”

    Senior Republican Senator John McCain said it was a “disgraceful performance” by a US president. “No prior president has ever abased himself more abjectly before a tyrant,” Mr McCain said in a statement.

    Another senior Republican, Senator Lindsey Graham, who is a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, said Mr Trump had sent the Kremlin a message of US “weakness”.”

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-44852812

  90. Noel another avenue is the concept og “infantilism” , you’re a learned man know your freud.
    For me this description fits trump and his supporters like a glove, which is why they opted for the baby nappy ballon in london, its fits, big babies not grown up still telling lies, we all did as kids growing up, this one never grew out of it esp when he knew it served him so well, the lackeys just follow the lie ( not the money ) but the lies. I imagine Lies are quite intoxicating to people who despise the truth, hate facts and when challenged call it fake news.
    Yes the glove fits ! narcissism, infantilism, bearer of false witness . that’s him to a tee.

  91. Incredible Peter. The POTUS has potentially undermined every future finding and operation of the US intelligence services.

    This is gonna be so bigly!

  92. peter thanks for that link , its about time men with a backbone in his own camp told the USA public what they think of the sleazeball man-child, .. there just is NO bottom with the guy Trump. Be interested to see if FOX will air the public criticism, what they going with phantom summer clothes to keep cool maybe ? Barney the Bear ?

  93. , adding that there was “no question” Moscow had interfered in the 2016 election

    If there’s “NO Question” Speaker Ryan, why have an investigation. Evidently Mr. Speaker has pre-judged the matter.

    The President is not only our head of state, but the head of law enforcement. Our country is strong enough to have a vigorous debate on our intelligence services, some very few of whom may be rogue.

  94. charles with respect they’re separate matters collusion and interference
    On interference there is no doubt all agree, every intel agency everywhere
    both sides acknoledge the evidence
    on collusion that is why Mueller is doing the investigation
    to ix them up is … well you know

  95. Didn’t Bush and Blair use evidence from “intelligence” services to bring us to war? Would be that they, and all of use, been more wary of “intelligence” services like Mr Trump is being now. We would not have gone to war IMHO.

  96. Jude, fair point, regarding collusion and interference.

  97. that ol canard charles I’m sorry won’t do that iraq case was exceptional in the climate, they have learnt from it, this evidence is overwhelming, not is any way comparable , its robust, are you not alarmed , i guess you don’t believe them, believe Putin instead yeah ?

  98. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/15/opinion/trump-russia-investigation-putin.html

  99. I think that Bush was a decent man who made errors in judgment

    And there Is zero evidence that I am aware of that the CIA manipulated the intelligence in anyway

    The entire responsibility for that catastrophic war which hurt US interest so badly rests with Busch, Cheney, Blair

    There is a great danger in learning the wrong lesson from the last war

    Trumpers Reach the conclusion that the intelligenc agencies are bad, and that no intelligence can be trusted- Which is as wrong a position As wrong can be

    They forget that your candidate is on record for supporting that war in the early stages.

  100. I don’t trust Putin. He said not to! Diplomacy is not about trust. It is about mutually agreeing to work together on shared interests.

  101. Trump, like GWB, trusts Putin alright

    There is an element of hero worship

    You see the deference in the body language

  102. phantom the networks are spitting blood i have never heard anything like it, they really didn’t like what Trump said throwing USA under the Bus, mild mannered people are furious.
    ATW is positively tame in comparison, yes even Fox have been highly critical which is unusual, ofc its all bout hannity later and what he says .. but the consensus I’m reading from senior lawmakres on both sideas and the networks on both sides is disgust.
    He is unfit, wants everyone to like him its imply awful to have a man like that in charge.
    Pure narcissim and infantilism from the man-child , is there any other way of telling it as it is ?

  103. I agree Jude.

  104. Trump trashed US intel agencies in front of the Russian dictator

    That is treason

  105. disagree

  106. “That is treason”

    No, it’s not. We are not at war with Russia, fyi.

  107. It is treason

    And it is based on Trump’s universe of lies

    The FBI helped him more than it helped Crooked Hillary

    It was put into an impossible situation in an election between two criminals

  108. As I believe they say in N.I. “wind yer neck back in! I’ve never seen so many people get their knickers in a wad as they do with Trump.

    I would say that up against slick Putin and 1500 journalists Trump was the more inexperienced of the two, maybe inept, but not treasonous FFS.

  109. Phantom, on July 16th, 2018 at 7:00 PM Said:
    Obama is still popular in the US

    Unlike Trump he is regarded as a man of class and personal dignity

    roflmao…. no he is not…. He is not popular, (despite the false polls) he has no class, never has. Here we have the Bubbleboy View…. He only sees NY MSM, only reads NY papers, only Talks to other NYrs and Clients…..

    He has no clue….. The age of Obama is DEAD thank god and good riddance. He was a Truly corrupt politician whose goal was to dismantle and replace the structure of the American system. He corrupted the entire Justice, Intel, and Diplomatic divisions of our government.

    He weaponized all the above and the IRS and history will record him as 2 things. The first Black President elected by the white majority, and the worst President since Woodrow Wilson.

    Except for prosecution of those that he used to corrupt the system he can be dismissed. He was both a marxist and a fascist that did unbelievable damage to the republic…. we should all spit everytime we hear his name except the bubble puppets would label the spit racist rather than the commentary on his character that it is……

  110. Charles

    We agree that Trump is inept

    But after the problems of the inept GWB, why do we have such an inept guy in that office? Haven’t we learned any lessons at all?

  111. Yeah Trump committed Treason….. as they say in the hood….

    Put down the Pipe…..

  112. The age of Obama is DEAD thank god and good riddance

    yeah and you and patty can’t stop talking about him
    if you read the last 2 years on ATW its only you two ever talking Obama
    very strange huh?

  113. I only talk prosecution Jude….

  114. why do we have such an inept guy in that office?

    Because the bastards have spoken! 🙂

  115. They didn’t really want to talk about GWB as of the day he left office but they will spend the rest of their lives Whining about Obama

  116. Treason does not require a state of war. I’m not sure he is committing treason but he’s skating pretty close. I’m hoping more out of ignorance than design.

  117. I’m sure it’s being new to the job, ineptness as Phantom and I have agreed. He may have stirred the shit up too much though. Picking a fight with the Russians would have been politically smart, but picking a fight with the American Government from Finland is a tall order!

  118. The discussion of the definition of treason is irrelevant here, what is relevant is the public vote of no confidence by the Commander In Chief against his own country’s intelligence apparatus in siding with a foreign leader.

    This undermining really has serious and far reaching credibility issues for every facet of future US intelligence operations.

    I suspect that this political Tourette’s Syndrome sufferer has this time done something he won’t be able to walk away from.

  119. Maybe it was poor form to air dirty laundry in public. The country has been on a Russia kick for two years now. Maybe the issue had to come to a dramatic head.

  120. Charles, the POTUS just internationally dissed the entire American intelligence apparatus.

    You think that worth bringing the issue to a dramatic head? From what I’m reading here there are many from all political walks who disagree in the strongest terms that it is.

  121. paul my take is he was outplayed by a more competent Liar ( Putin )
    Ugly stuff though and the russians are very good at chess.
    after the 12 spies came out a few days ago the strong move would have been to cancel the meeting. Trump just can’t help himself, but your dead right paul he won’t be able to row back from this. He was caught out big-time and the world saw it LIVE .
    shocker he almost scundered as you guys would say back home 😉

  122. Charles -if by dramatic head you mean undermining our national intelligence services while praising the leader of a hostile foreign government.

  123. Just listening to a pro-Trump blowhard (Steve Gruber) on Radio 4.

    He’s just fine with Trump siding with Putin today and no doubt it will be the same with Fox-Limbaa-Coulter, only more so.

  124. Putin’s an experienced spy and a tough politician who I’ve no doubt did his homework and prepared well in advance for this. He played a blinder and boxed Trump inro a corner.

    The Trump administration has stumbled from scandal to crisis to scandal but this really has far reaching consequences for the reputation of the US intelligence services.

    Best the Trump now listens to any experienced level heads that he may have at hand.

  125. Trump is a 70-year-old man who is incapable of learning any new lessons

    The intelligence services of a major country are among its most important assets. This filth has disrespected them in front of the Russian tyrant who is boots he licks

    He has caused lasting damage to the United States, no day more than this shameful day in Helsinki

  126. Best the Trump now listens to any experienced level heads that he may have at hand.

    I heartily agree.

  127. Charles

    He doesn’t listen to anybody

    He goes with his gut on everything, He has said it many times over the last 35 years

  128. John Bolton was sitting right there. I wonder what he thought.

  129. I can think of only one President in America who offered a more troubling assessment. Jefferson Davis.

  130. Rep. Will Hurd, a Texas Republican and former undercover CIA officer, expressed shock at Trump’s attitude towards Putin and Russia.

    “I’ve seen the Russian intelligence manipulate many people many people in my career, and I never would have thought the US President would be one of them,” Hurd said on CNN’s “The Lead with Jake Tapper.”

    https://edition.cnn.com/2018/07/16/politics/congress-reaction-trump-putin-comments/index.html

  131. John Bolton thought if I keep my mouth shut I can keep my job.

  132. These are the most dangerous days for the United States since the Civil War

    POWs are condemned traitors are installed into high office, A Free Press is condemned and facts Are treated as lies, lies are treated as facts

    The serpent slouches in Winston Churchhill’s chair, And some think that is fine

  133. I have to say, I did have a quiet chuckle at the POTUS breaching Royal Protocaol when he met the Nelly Dean and then practically supplicate himself to almost fellate the former Russkie spy.

    But yes, dangerous days both in present and future.

  134. Rubbish! The USA and Russia are not at war. Remember, jaw jaw better than war war?

    All these new found war hawks are acting like they want war. Better to have reproachment.

  135. No one wants war with Russia. Framing any part of the issue that way is entirely false

    I have long said that relations with Russia should be better

    But there is no need for a president of the United States to disrespect the intelligence agencies of the United States in front of a Russian dictator

    This is one of the more shameful days in the history of the United States presidency

  136. No one wants war with Russia. Framing any part of the issue that way is entirely false

    I have long said that relations with Russia should be better

    But there is no need for a president of the United States to disrespect the intelligence agencies of the United States in front of a Russian dictator

    This is one of the more shameful days in the history of the United States presidency

  137. Chis Wallace’s interview with Putin is on air now, but frankly, I don’t have the belly for any more of Putin today. I’ll post a link after I’ve watched it.

  138. I haven’t read through the comments on this thread, but I wanted to post a couple of quick points re the leader, as some bits of it irritated me: (Excuse me, I’ll soon learn how to box-quote the original text, but right now this will have to do):

    “Russian attempts to influence the American election by now are only disputed by liars and fools”
    Well in that case I am one or both of those things – it’s just that I haven’t seen any actual evidence yet, just MSM supposition and unsupported blather.

    “Trump’s victory was by the rules, but technical as opposed to a mandate”
    OK, to make an analogy, let’s look at the game stats for Croatia v France yesterday. Possession, shots, etc, it’s all in favour of Croatia. Should we now say that Croatia in fact won the WC? Bollocks! (excuse my, er, French). Both sides know before kick-off that the match is won on GOALS, not the ratio of possession of the ball, or how loud the crowds cheer, or anything else. Similarly, both Clinton and Trump understood how the US Pres. Election would be decided, before the campaigns. True- Clinton got 3m more actual votes than Trump, I don’t contest that. But so what? Based on the rules known to both parties in advance, Trump won. He campaigned better and focussed the campaign in the States where it would count. Clinton knew the rules too, her team knew how to play it, and she lost on those terms. Tough cheese.

  139. Brexitannia, I like the cut of your jib! You should post more.

  140. Phantom, on July 16th, 2018 at 9:57 PM Said:
    They didn’t really want to talk about GWB as of the day he left office but they will spend the rest of their lives Whining about Obama

    GWB was a great War President a lousy domestic President…. pick a topic regarding his time and anyone will gladly discuss them, but you don’t.

    Instead you make foolish statements that no one will talk about his time…

  141. GWB was the prime actor and attacking the wrong country with absolutely catastrophic consequences for the region and world

    Nothing else that happened during his watch, including the near financial collapse as caused by unregulated financial institutions Matters as compared with that

    He was a decent guy who had no clue. The only reason that he was ever considered for the office was the fact that his father had been a president of the United States. He had no qualifications whatsoever

  142. All these new found war hawks are acting like they want war.

    Who wants war with Russia?

    If you don’t think the POTUS essentially discrediting the US intelligence services in front of the world in favour of the views of a foreign leader means dangerous days are ahead for the US then I don’t know what will make you think it.

  143. Mahons, on July 16th, 2018 at 10:00 PM Said:
    Treason does not require a state of war. I’m not sure he is committing treason but he’s skating pretty close. I’m hoping more out of ignorance than design.

    Please state the Law, or Laws including case Law that you arrive at your assessment from.

    Make the case using the statutes you believe that he is close to “skating pretty close to crossing” counsellor….

    I can’t wait to read this….. ah but I won’t because Mahons just can’t do it…

    prove me wrong

  144. I’m just saying all is not lost. Most dangerous time since the Civil War? Pure blather!

  145. The Trumpian butt munch have often framed it as though the only choice is a) capitulate to Putin or b) declare war on Russia

    That has never been the choice. No US military or political actor wants war with Russia .

  146. Pat,

    The discussion of the definition of treason is irrelevant here, what is relevant is the public vote of no confidence by the Commander In Chief against his own country’s intelligence apparatus in siding with a foreign leader.

    This undermining really has serious and far reaching credibility issues for every facet of future US intelligence operations.

    I suspect that this political Tourette’s Syndrome sufferer has this time done something he won’t be able to walk away from.

    Instead you make foolish statements that no one will talk about his time…

    Funny, I was thinking something similar. The fact that Charles’ is the only voice in the wilderness will to discuss it demonstrates the seriousness of the faux pas.

  147. Who wants war with Russia?

    No one on the right….

    no one survives.

  148. Thank you, Charles, I appreciate your kind comment.
    I feel a bit of an outsider here, not quite ready to comment on a daily or weekly basis, I just log in occasionaly, when I feel like it.
    I’m absolutely fascinated by the US Constitution, and how/why it was drafted by the Founding Fathers. It shocks me (as a Brit) to realise that it was largely due to the oppressive constraints of my OWN country that the FF’s needed to make this total break from the past, and make a Constitution that deliberately limited the powers of government. What a fantastic thing to do, and it’s so precious, it needs to be guarded and taught to all schoolkids.

  149. No one on the left wants war with Russia no one on the right wants war with Russia no one in the center wants war with Russia No one in the military or political World wants a war with Russia

    But the RT/Alex Jones element Has often framed it this way over over the past few years

  150. Paul there is no seriousness in the accusation…..

    To take remarks made at press conference as something that holds weight in any real legal circles when you have THE TWO most powerful men in the world… cut me a break it’s dancing demons on the heads of pins for the sake of something to bitch about nothing more.

    It’s sophistry.

  151. brexitannia, on July 16th, 2018 at 11:44 PM Said:
    Thank you, Charles, I appreciate your kind comment.
    I feel a bit of an outsider here, not quite ready to comment on a daily or weekly basis

    Brex dive write in…. everyone here is full of themselves, never wrong, always a bit nasty, while actually being open and welcoming to every view.

    If you’re willing to honestly say what you feel about ANYTHING you will find people here that are than willing for you to say it and engage with you about what you have to say.

    Don’t let the barking dogs hold you back….

  152. Phantom, on July 16th, 2018 at 11:47 PM Said:
    No one on the left wants war with Russia no one on the right wants war with Russia no one in the center wants war with Russia No one in the military or political World wants a war with Russia

    But the RT/Alex Jones element Has often framed it this way over over the past few years

    Jones and anyone that takes him seriously…… I’ll say no more.

  153. Paul there is no seriousness in the accusation…..

    This is a quote from an international news source.

    At a news conference after the summit, President Trump was asked if he believed his own intelligence agencies or the Russian president when it came to the allegations of meddling in the elections.

    “President Putin says it’s not Russia. I don’t see any reason why it would be,” he replied.

    Pat, the Commander In Chief of the US tonight sided with a foreign leader against his own intelligence services. This undermining really has serious and far reaching credibility issues for every facet of future US intelligence operations.

    Yeah I know, move along, nothing to see. Big nothing burger etc.

    What all sides of the house are saying:

    https://edition.cnn.com/2018/07/16/politics/congress-reaction-trump-putin-comments/index.html

    Texas Republican and former undercover CIA officer Will Hurd

    I’ve seen the Russian intelligence manipulate many people many people in my career, and I never would have thought the US President would be one of them

  154. Pat, the Commander In Chief of the US tonight sided with a foreign leader against his own intelligence services.

    no he didn’t.

    He threw a rock at those involved in sedition at the FBI/DOJ. He gives the accusation that there was Russian interference involved in getting him elected no weight at all…

    He can’t. If he answers the question any other way than he did tomorrow’s headlines read ‘TRUMP ADMITS THE RUSSIANS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR HIS WIN!”

    The whole argument that is being presented is so because the talking heads are consumed and frustrated that despite everything that anyone charges nothing phases him. They can’t break his rhythm… they’re losing.

  155. Patrick – Treason is defined in the Constitution. I seem to recall you claim to have read it.

  156. He didn’t side with Putin?

  157. Make your case using the constitution….

    Mahons my point is you have NO CASE you said he was “skating close”

    Close to what? Make your case.

  158. Giving aid and comfort to the enemy. The enemy need not be at war, but a hostile foreign power. But you can’t even admit what Trump said today. Instead of looking at current events as how they may impact your claims on a meaningless blog you should view them as how they impact the country.

  159. “Russian attempts to influence the American election by now are only disputed by liars and fools”
    Well in that case I am one or both of those things – it’s just that I haven’t seen any actual evidence yet, just MSM supposition and unsupported blather.

    You must have missed it on Friday then. Charges were laid against twelve Russian intelligence officers. You know, as in there is evidence and there is a case to answer to in a court of law. That is not “supposition and unsupported blather”, no siree.

  160. Trump is a traitor, end of.

  161. And some of the rats are abandoning ship, even at Fox. But they will soon swim aboard again when the mid-term campaigns get going:

    “New York Post columnist Karol Markowicz, who several months ago had written about how pro- and anti-Trump conservatives had to dial back their rhetoric, was blunt. “You can love Trump, you can be thrilled he vanquished Hillary, you can be right that Obama’s foreign policy was clownish, but call it here: this was atrocious and no American president should ever behave this way.”

    The Drudge Report had a headline blaring that “Putin dominates” the summit. Even on the Fox News cable networks, which are normally Trump’s biggest defender and echo chamber, commentators appeared uneasy. Neil Cavuto called the president’s performance “disgraceful” and said it “sets us back a lot”.

    “There is a growing consensus across the land tonight … that the president threw the United States under the bus,” said Fox News White House correspondent John Roberts.

    Mary Kissel, a member of the Wall Street Journal editorial board, told Fox News audience that “nothing was achieved” from the summit. “The president came off as wanting to have more meetings and going to Putin and asking for Putin’s help, when we should be in the position of Putin coming to us and asking us to ease up on him,” she said. “Unfortunately, President Putin scored a great propaganda victory.”

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44830012

  162. A week ago, there were worries about how Trump would behave at the upcoming Nato summit, visit to Britain and meeting with Putin.

    The Nato summit was much worse than the worst fears. Trump had a full-on tantrum and threatened to pull the US out of the alliance, maybe as soon as next January.

    The visit to Britain was a diplomatic disaster. His Sun interview trashed Theresa May, demanded a hard Brexit and bigged up the charlatan Boris Johnson as a prospective replacement to May. Then he was rude to the Queen at Windsor Castle.

    But the Helsinki summit was far, far worse. Trump failed to challenge Putin on any of the issues and then took Putin’s side against his own country and handed him a huge propaganda win for absolutely nothing in return.

    Putin has had his best ever week by far, all thanks to his bitch in the White House.

  163. “President Putin says it’s not Russia. I don’t see any reason why it would be,” he replied.

    US intelligence services say one thing, the leader of a foreign nation says another.

    That’s the Commander In Chief siding with a foreign leader against his own intelligence services.

    And the sharks seem to be beginning to circle?

  164. Trump is Putin’s puppet. The American president is either compromised or he’s dumber than a bag of dirt.

    Imagine that same cravenly, anti-USA presser given by Obama.

    Ten thousand fiery calls for impeachment by the all of the GOP and their toady media would be shrieking the airwaves.

  165. Didn’t we kind of all know, really, what was gonna happen from the day he came down the stupid golden escalator? First the rubes would love and elect him and then he’d betray them along with the rest of us.

  166. Patty’s past political passion, Mitt Romney, isn’t having any of Trump’s feckless bullshit.

    LOL!

  167. I don’t know who the President of the United States is working for, but it is not the American people.

  168. how did hannity present the news tonite, that’s the one they all watch and feed off?

  169. http://thehill.com/homenews/media/397344-hannity-praises-trump-on-putin-press-conference-you-were-very-strong

    totally weak, you don’t respond with clinton when asked a question , its less than pathetic
    the world will not be fooled by that campaign train diversion .

  170. Giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

    1) Increasing the American Military budget by 3 Trillion dollars over 3 year period.

    2) Increasing American Production of LNP and Oil and initialization of the export of both.

    3) Forcing the expansion of NATO by 30 Billion from the participating Nations.

    4) Ordering the death of a 200 man division of Russia’s version of Blackwater in Syria.

    5) Starting a new Branch of the American Military “Space Force” unilaterally walking away from a treaty that has stood for 50yrs.

    The Outer Space Treaty, formally the Treaty on Principles Governing the Activities of States in the Exploration and Use of Outer Space, including the Moon and Other Celestial Bodies, is a treaty that forms the basis of international space law. The treaty was opened for signature in the United States, the United Kingdom, and the Soviet Union on 27 January 1967

    All of these things HURT one Nation and one Nation only RUSSIA.

    1= 80% of our military might is directed at Russia but that three trillion is washed away?

    2= Russia’s economy is based on one Product “Fuel” our becoming the worlds number one producer of fuel and building the infrastructure to become the number one exporter of Fuel is washed away?

    3= the force designed to be the buffer between europe and Russia flooded with money and pledges of increased weapons and troop supplying washed away?

    4= a military strike on a field of war of a threat directly controlled by the Russian Army washed away?

    5) Declaring the Militarization of Space when at the moment RUSSIA is the ONLY force in Space washed away?

    Every one of these moves directly threatens Russia both militarily and economically but it’s all washed away by both Trump and Putin all because the President said these 15 words.

    “President Putin says it’s not Russia. I don’t see any reason why it would be,”

    Those 15 words Aid and Comfort the Enemy? Those 15 words remove the 5 DIRECT threats that have taken place?

    That’s really your case Counselor ?

    Those 5 ACTIONS are wiped away by 15 words?

  171. If Trump threw the FBI Under the bus in public in front of the Russian dictator, can you imagine what he said in the private/no notes meeting with Putin?

  172. It started with the shocking tweet that Trump issued before he even sat down with Putin this morning: “Our relationship with Russia has NEVER been worse thanks to many years of U.S. foolishness and stupidity and now, the Rigged Witch Hunt!” The official Twitter account of the Russian foreign ministry — recognizing a useful idiot when it saw one — immediately “liked” Trump’s tweet and later added: “We agree.”

    I’ll bet they do.

    Tom Friedman, NYT

    Yes, the entire fault For the US – Russian relations is foolishness And stupidity on the part of the US government

  173. “President Putin says it’s not Russia. I don’t see any reason why it would be,” he replied.

    This statement was particularly idiotic

    Putin and Russia absolutely despised Hillary Clinton For multiple reasons.

    Theor strong preference was that Trump would win; Putin explicitly said that he wanted Trump to win, This week

  174. There is effectively no point in trying to get the Trump worshippers to acknowledge any fault in their Messiah. He could have announced in Helsinki he was disbanding NATO , dissolving the “treacherous” FBI and the CIA and was handing the US nuclear codes over to Putin while offering full support to the Russians retaking the Baltic states and Ukraine and end the press conference by bending over and kissing Vladimir’s ring (and I don’t mean the one on his finger ) and they would still claim it was a great performance by our great leader.

  175. Pat, all that ‘giving aid and comfort to the enemy’ is all blah blah blah

    The Commander In Chief sided with a foreign leader against his own intelligence services

    Do you understand what that means?

    When you have people like Texas Republican and former undercover CIA officer Will Hurd being critical of the POTUS something is seriously wrong however the real marker is this:

    Trish Regan – Fox Business Network:

    This was clearly not [President Trump’s] best performance. He’s done a whole lot better than this. He should have defended us. He should have defended his own intelligence community .”

    Trish Regan criticized President Donald J. Trump for not standing behind the United States intelligence community during his press conference with Vladimir Putin regarding evidence that Russia meddled in the 2016 presidential election.

    https://www.facebook.com/FoxBusinessVoices/videos/2039373153046688/

    When Fox News are being critical of Trump, however mildly, you know that the latest crisis is serious stuff.

  176. Colm, Paul

    Unfortunately, correct

    This is an exceptionally dangerous time for the United States and the West

    We have a complete imbecile at the top. There is no point in mincing words. That’s where we are.

  177. //Putin and Russia absolutely despised Hillary Clinton For multiple reasons.//

    Yes. But so did a large section of the American people. There was something in HIllary Clinton, her manner or her doings, I don’t know, that caused many different types of people to absolutely detest her.

    Ultimately this is what undermined her campaign. Too many people hated her so much that they were prepared to support someone who they knew was an idiot and would not be good for the country. While, outside, people Putin and Julian Assange detested her so much they were prepared to go to any lengths to destroy her chances.

  178. He lost a chance to stand with the free world against russian aggression , election meddling and posioning, he simply did not have the gonads to say what people want and expect , this means he pays no attention to the zeitgeist of the west intel services, the PM other leaders , he will have had multiple briefings of the extent and nature of russias espionage. He stabbed us in the back big time at Hell-stinky. lawless people do this kinds stuff, its obvious the Russians have the tape of him in bed doing shameful things. He’s being blackmailed .

  179. colm todgergate , the scandal of Trump in bed with hookers, not that he’s feel ashamed by that, he prolly would brag the russian whores are more sexy dirty that the US whores
    Nah its close-ups of his 3″ todger that he couldn’t live with .. my money is on a tiddler
    perhaps tiddlergate then 😉

  180. //He lost a chance to stand with the free world against russian aggression , election meddling and posioning,//

    When he was standing beside Theresa May be said the US and the UK share “a bond like no other”, while May said that they relationship was the “broadest, deepest and most advanced cooperation between two countries in the world.”

    All find. So then, just the following day, did Trump on meeting Putin even mention agents of the Russian govt poisoning people on British soil?

  181. well spotted Noel , his shits on his allies, changes his story every day, no-one can trust his in anyway whatsoever to stand with one voice = a piss poor ally. His mind is certainly in a whirlpool of deceit. What you think about my comments earlier to do with infantilism/freud related to narcissism and the baby ballon. Nice key i found i thought, you a learned bloke.

  182. Don’t like the change of Font. I find it very difficult to read. There are good reasons for the standard fonts generally in use such as Times New Roman.
    Sorry, but if I find the reading hard going, I just give up!

  183. All of the press seem to agree, Trump has made himself look subservient to the Russian leader.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5961371/World-press-mocks-Donald-Trump-Vladimir-Putin-summit.html

    I can’t believe he criticised his own Security Services.

  184. EP

    I agree. The new font is more difficult to read on my small tablet screen.

  185. Dave,

    Literally every single media outlet I have looked at and listened to, both in different Euro countries and in the US, have carried disbelief and criticism of Trump.

  186. A British former intelligence analyst on LBC radio has just termed Trump an ‘agent of influence’

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_of_influence

  187. Strangely the new font only applies to this post/thread. If you click on earlier posts you get the old display settings back.

  188. Obviously the US intelligence services Colm.

  189. //trangely the new font only applies to this post/thread. //

    No. it’s everything that was posted after a certain time, when something obviously went wrong.

  190. Don’t like the change of Font. I find it very difficult to read. There are good reasons for the standard fonts generally in use such as Times New Roman.
    Sorry, but if I find the reading hard going, I just give up!

    We don’t know why it changed we are working on it….

  191. So we nuke Russia Tomorrow that will make everyone happy…….

    Better yet since he’s a Russian sock puppet we Nuke NY yeah that’s the ticket….

    Pure idiocy this whole thread.

    Our intelligence and Justice Dept’s were used as political tools by the Previous President, we have upper mgmt in both engaged in sedition right now. That actively worked to destroy a political candidate in the last election.

    That Falsified Evidence and perjured themselves before the FISA court That are still lying and pleading the 5th today….. but it’s Trump who can’t be trusted.

    The Nation was run for 8 years by a Marxist Fascist that locked up reporters, destroyed people with the IRS, allowed Drug Cartels to buy Guns in the US and bring them back into Mexico, used the FBI/DOJ to attack political enemies and police depts across the country and whose atty general was held in contempt.

    Those are the tips of the iceberg that Obama dropped on this country. Obama caused major damage to this country, damage that destroyed the credibility of our Justice and Intelligence systems…. that is where the blame belongs.

    I repeat my 4:43 above because none of you had the balls to address the real facts of how Trump has dealt with Russia.

    1) Increasing the American Military budget by 3 Trillion dollars over 3 year period.

    2) Increasing American Production of LNP and Oil and initialization of the export of both.

    3) Forcing the expansion of NATO by 30 Billion from the participating Nations.

    4) Ordering the death of a 200 man division of Russia’s version of Blackwater in Syria.

    5) Starting a new Branch of the American Military “Space Force” unilaterally walking away from a treaty that has stood for 50yrs.

  192. No one wants to nuke Russia , Alex

    Don’t worry your wee head, that’s not in anyone’s mind

  193. Pat

    Those 5 things aren’t real. They are utterances by Trump which have no bearing on reality.

  194. Pure idiocy this whole thread

    Except it’s not. Looks at Dave’s link:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5961371/World-press-mocks-Donald-Trump-Vladimir-Putin-summit.html

    That’s the international press angle. This is a flavour of the US domestic one:

    https://www.npr.org/2018/07/16/629554155/disgraceful-pushover-deeply-troubled-reaction-to-the-trump-putin-summit

    https://twitter.com/newtgingrich/status/1018967261418344450?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

    Those are what the US and world are saying. Ignore / deny it if you wish.

    I repeat my 4:43 above because none of you had the balls to address the real facts of how Trump has dealt with Russia.

    No Pat, you repeat it because you are trying to sidetrack / deflect from the Commander In Cheif of the US internationally undermining the US intelligence services by publically siding with a foreign leader against them.

  195. Trump is responsible for all good things, just like Kim Jong Un

    Still think Trumpism isn’t a cult?

  196. Pat doesn’t understand the principle of accountability whilst in office. Seems to think it applies to the previous incumbent Obama. By that logic nothing trump does says now is accountable but he will be retrospectively when the next pres is elected. Pat you have a problem with Time itself living in the past dude catch up it’s 2018 trump won interest trump won he is the pitus

  197. Colm, on July 17th, 2018 at 3:13 PM Said:
    Pat

    Those 5 things aren’t real. They are utterances by Trump which have no bearing on reality.

    Really… not real no budget increase for our military no dead russian mercenaries…. Sure the euroweenies more than likely won’t live up to their promises to do what they signed the NATO treaty to do, that’s expected. your view of what’s real Colm gets more questionable everyday.

    Pat doesn’t understand the principle of accountability whilst in office.

    lmao….

    I just posted another guest post…. go read it and watch all the video’s

  198. Pat,

    The POTUS, Commander In Cheif of all US forces said in front of an international audience that his intelligence services were wrong and that the leader of a foreign, (formerly) hostile nations was correct.

    Do you have any idea of the futre repercussions this has for the US intelligence services?

  199. Do you have any idea of the futre repercussions this has for the US intelligence services?

    Yes I do, but you obviously don’t.

  200. US intelligence services need to do their job and defend the country NOT play politics as they did under Obama.

    They violated their mandate and the Law and will eventually be prosecuted.

  201. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/07/17/stephen_f_cohen_do_you_prefer_impeaching_trump_or_avoiding_nuclear_war_with_russia.html

  202. Yes I do, but you obviously don’t.

    Pat, the US intelligence services came to an analytical conclusion and their Commander In Cheif stood on an international stage and told them they were wrong and that the leader of a (formerly) hostile nation was right.

    He’s being criticised by the press in every western country and in the US for it for Christsakes. It’s public discrediting and humailiation whch will have far reaching repercussions for all sections of US intelligence.

    They violated their mandate and the Law and will eventually be prosecuted.

    Eventually? If they acted ultra vires why not prosecute now?

    You are doing what the ‘being overrun’ and ‘fall of civilisation’ nutters do. You are constructing some hypothetical situation in the future in order to justify your narrative in the present. A fallacious argument.

    If you’re honest with yourself you’d admit that had Obama and, God forbid, the Beast said what the POTUS said yesterday people like Patty and you would be leading the lynch mob rightly calling for their heads.

  203. If Obama had stood next to Putin and said what Trump said the Trump lovers would have been demanding impeachment.

  204. that’s a great point Mahons
    never heard so much rubbish even talking about obama is the height of foolishness
    Its simply irrelevant, no-one gets brought to book once out of office
    Its not the way politics works and it won’t change.
    the present is all the counts.

  205. I don’t mind the claims against Obama, however specious. They simply aren’t acknowledging Trump’s pergormance, and the attempt to deflect from that is a failed diversionary tactic.

  206. Patrick, the video you posted at 4:01 is a must see, IMO.

    I continue to stand with my President Trump, who has done what every President since FDR has done, and that’s engage with Russia to prevent nuclear war.

  207. Charles,
    Only because Putin told him he wasn’t allowed to play with the big red button 😁

  208. LOL Seimi!

  209. President Barack Obama was caught on microphone telling Dmitry Medvedev that he would have more flexibility after November’s election deal with contentious issues such as missile defence.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNxEDomUlXw

  210. …..but what about Obama?

    So why no prosecuations Pat? The attempted deflection really is getting piteousñy pathetic.

    Charles, do as you wish. As I said to you last night:

    Paul McMahon, on July 16th, 2018 at 10:22 PM Said:

    Charles, the POTUS just internationally dissed the entire American intelligence apparatus.

    You think that worth bringing the issue to a dramatic head? From what I’m reading here there are many from all political walks who disagree in the strongest terms that it is.

    You may think that what your President done was justifiable to prevent some phantom nuclear war. The feeling both internationally and domestically in the US is that that isn’t the case:

    Internationally:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5961371/World-press-mocks-Donald-Trump-Vladimir-Putin-summit.html

    US :

    https://www.npr.org/2018/07/16/629554155/disgraceful-pushover-deeply-troubled-reaction-to-the-trump-putin-summit

    https://twitter.com/newtgingrich/status/1018967261418344450?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

  211. Ooh scarey

  212. It’s interesting that the entire world is on the side of the CIA.

  213. Agree, Charles. Sheep gonna sheep, I guess.

  214. The world is Amazed that a US president would actually disrespect his own intelligence agencies in front of a Russian Cutthroat dictator

    I am in Ireland at the moment, where one of the major newspapers the Irish independent is openly mocking trump for incompetence and blaming America first ( Which is exactly what Trump did)

  215. Charles you’re not even correct as far as the name of the agency

    The FBI is not the CIA

  216. It’s interesting that the entire world is on the side of the CIA

    What’s even more interesting is that the POTUS internationally undermined his intelligence services by siding with a (formerly) agressive country’s strongarm ruler against them.

  217. Charles -please provide quotes of President’s since FDR who have appeared with Russian leaders and denounced the American Intelligence Community and praised the veracity of the Russian leader as to actions against the US.

  218. The stance of the left is pure nonsense and even a nuclear exchange with Russia would not get them to stop their Trump is a Russian puppet and only won because of Russia narrative.

    As I said Demons on a pin.

    The US’s strategic actions since Trump took office have been more aggressive and properly so than even Reagan was.

    This nonsense is the sad state they’ve (the left) have brought themselves. Whipped into a mad frenzy screaming TREASON…. sad and pathetic.

    Sorry girls the children were in charge for 8 years and destroyed the world security. The adults are back in charge and the world will be secure… (at least for us).

    Trump has withdrawn his statement will the crying stop?

    NO

    The next whine is already cued up.

  219. The next whine is already cued up.

    I think that what you actually mean to say is that since the POTUS internationally undermined his intelligence services by siding with a (formerly) agressive country’s leader against them the damage is already done.

    The Commander In Chief of the US military in front of an international audience, takes the word of a former, (yeah, right), KGB agent over his domestic intelligence services.

  220. US President Donald Trump has said he accepts US intelligence agencies’ conclusion that Russia interfered in the 2016 election – despite declining to do so just a day ago.

    After meeting Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin he said he could not see why Russia would meddle.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44864739

    Strong, strong leadership. This bloke is fucking coco pops.

  221. US Intelligence agencies beclowned themselves with this soft coup attempt….being used by the Dems to elect Hillary and then used as a cover-up.

    Not beclowned as badly as they did with the WMD stuff in the Iraq War run-up – which I bought into at the time…but pretty badly.

    Thank God for the internet and free speech. And thank you, God, for President Trump.

    MAGA!

  222. Now that the Manchild has yet again done a 360 turn the Caligirl has found her voice and continues where her dreamboat left off.

    Which I bought into at the time…

    Yeah, until dreamboat Donny said they were bad guys in fact.

    The POTUS first undermines US intelligence service credibility on the international stage then he internationally reduces his Presidency to a laughing stock.

    The man really is a fucking imbecile, no wonder Putin thinks he’s great:

    However, he did not respond when reporters asked him if he would condemn Mr Putin.

  223. I think that what you actually mean to say is that since the POTUS internationally undermined his intelligence services by siding with a (formerly) agressive country’s leader against them the damage is already done.

    The Commander In Chief of the US military in front of an international audience, takes the word of a former, (yeah, right), KGB agent over his domestic intelligence services.

    I reiterate Actions NOT Words…..

    1) Increasing the American Military budget by 3 Trillion dollars over 3 year period.

    2) Increasing American Production of LNP and Oil and initialization of the export of both.

    3) Forcing the expansion of NATO by 30 Billion from the participating Nations.

    4) Ordering the death of a 200 man division of Russia’s version of Blackwater in Syria.

    5) Starting a new Branch of the American Military “Space Force” unilaterally walking away from a treaty that has stood for 50yrs.

  224. Now Trump has changed his tune. Suprise.

  225. Just like I said, when he’s standing beside Putin, he does what Putin wants. Says that there was no Russian interference. Back to a shitstorm in Washington and he says the opposite, that there was Russian interference.

    This is so good.

    But his groupies will believe him when he says that there’s no reason why it should be Russia and then later believe him when he later says there’s no reason why it shouldn’t be Russia.

    That’s what groupies do.

  226. If anyone in any nation of the world thinks our intelligence agencies have been diminished or under mined in any way….

    Type about it, call a friend and talk about, whisper about it in hushed tones….

    they’ll know 😉

  227. Noel

    But his groupies will believe him when he says that there’s no reason why it should be Russia and then later believe him when he later says there’s no reason why it shouldn’t be Russia.

    no one believed him, but the inbreds considered it treason… that was just laughable.

    What we “groupies” believe is that the left are so desperate that they make fools of themselves. Everytime….

  228. //no one believed him,//

    What do you mean? No-one believed him when he said he was inclined to believe it wasn’t the Russians or when he later said he was he was inclined to believe it was the Russians?

    Anyone who believes the most recent attempt to change the story is one of the greatest fools on this planet.

  229. Patrick

    As I said earlier, echoing the words of Trump are not the same as revealing concrete facts. The figures you claim on military spending and NATO increases ‘forced’ by Trump on the allies are pure fantasy. It’s all in Trumps mind. There was no legal binding budget increase agreed by member states at the NATO summit. Do you even know what a trillion dollars means ? You might as well claim Trump increased spending by a zillion dollars. It’s utter nonsense.

  230. 1 increasing the national deficit to over 1 trillion a year
    2 faking exports while still having massive imports
    3 faking an increase in NATO that no one agreed to past the amount already agreed with Obama, lying to the rubes about it
    4 taking credit where none is due
    5 giving the world one more reason to laugh at murica

  231. If anyone in any nation of the world thinks our intelligence agencies have been diminished or under mined in any way….

    Pat,

    Paul McMahon, on July 17th, 2018 at 3:18 PM Said:

    Pure idiocy this whole thread

    Except it’s not. Looks at Dave’s link:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5961371/World-press-mocks-Donald-Trump-Vladimir-Putin-summit.html

    That’s the international press angle. This is a flavour of the US domestic one:

    https://www.npr.org/2018/07/16/629554155/disgraceful-pushover-deeply-troubled-reaction-to-the-trump-putin-summit

    https://twitter.com/newtgingrich/status/1018967261418344450?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

    Those are what the US and world are saying. Ignore / deny it if you wish.

    Not just a river in Egypt Pat.

    I note also that he declined to condemn Putin after he ostensibly called him a liar.

  232. Charles -please provide quotes of President’s since FDR

    Mahons, of course yesterday was a singular event. But look at FDR’s actions at the Yalta Conference, He gave away a third of Europe to the Russians! Trump just made a silly statement. No comparison.

    Phantom, You’re in Ireland? Enjoy!

  233. Gave them away? Do you think the US was going to dislodge the Red Army?

  234. Trump just made a silly statement

    A silly statement that absolutely undermined the US intelligence services in front of an international audience you mean?

    But look at FDR’s actions at the Yalta Conference, He gave away a third of Europe

  235. Whoops. Apologies for damn edit button.

  236. The Red Army was on the ground. And they were not going to start World War III.

    FDR made the correct call.

    It took 35 years or whatever, but eastern Europe was freed without a shot being fired.

    Charles, I am deep in the country; great people over here, you’d love it

  237. FDR was not going to start WW3 to free them.

    It was unthinkable.

  238. My point was, which I think was received, is that some Presidents have DONE worse things vis-a-vis Russia than what Trump SAID.

    Phantom, I jealous! I wish I was with you mate!

  239. Having a Guinness nightcap

  240. Where are you, Phantom? And for how long?

  241. In rural Monaghan, moving around, well spoken for!

    Down to Tipperary tomorrow, go home Sunday AM

    Don’t think a summit works this time here, but later in the year a possibility

  242. Nice. I’m off to County Cork on Friday for a week 😊

  243. Some Presidents have DONE worse things vis-a-vis Russia than what Trump SAID.

    Trump undermined the entire US intelligence apparatus in front of the world Charles.

    I don’t think anyon here was alive at the time of Yalta. It was only a year ago that Russia was saying a US air strike on it’s allies airfield in Syria was ‘a significant blow to US-Russia relations’

  244. I hope you enjoy your trip Phantom. Monaghan is a beautiful county, as is Tipperary.

  245. They have some narrow country roads here bro

    I’ve never been to Cork but I intend to go

  246. The Monaghan accent is one of the nicest in Ireland, IMO.

  247. Phantom, tell the locals there that you support Brexit. 🙂

  248. Very quiet small towns

    Not a criticism!

    I’ll do a post when I get access to a real computer

  249. Brexit came up at dinner

    These said the same thing that Noel and others have said, that Farage had falsely sold what it would be

    And these ( fiercely pro US – people and culture — not US politicians ) thought that Trump was a complete joke, who had botched the NATO meetings, been disrespectful to the queen in England, and had humiliated the US in front of Putin. I didn’t prompt one word of that.

    Very hard working hard studying conservative people, could not be more disappointed in US politics. But they love the US and they can’t visit New York, Florida, or Las Vegas often enough.

  250. Powell backs more rate hikes as economy growing ‘considerably stronger’

    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/17/powell-backs-more-rate-hikes-as-economy-growing-considerably-stronger.html

    called things that matter

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