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BOJO SHOULD NOT APOLOGISE

By Pete Moore On August 7th, 2018

From a giant below, in Christopher Hitchens, who coincidentally talks of cringers, to the moral pygmies of the Tory Party.

Boris Johnson has stood by his remarks about the burka after the Conservative Party chairman told him to apologise.

The former foreign secretary has been criticised for saying Muslim women wearing burkas “look like letter boxes” and comparing them to “bank robbers”.

PM Theresa May has backed calls for Mr Johnson to apologise, saying the remarks have “clearly caused offence”.

This stems from a piece he wrote for The Telegraph. While decrying Denmark’s ban on the burka, he wrote that burka-clad women resemble letter boxes, and some such things.

For this plain truth, for ridiculing the spiteful practice of forcing women to dress as bats and cover their femininity, his own party leadership has turned on him. Anyone who knows anything about the Tory Party won’t be surprised, because it stands for nothing and conserves nothing.

Look at the words of that pathetic woman, Theresa May. Johnson “caused offence”. Did he? I certainly hope so, because the type of people who would be offended deserve to be offended.

48 Responses to “BOJO SHOULD NOT APOLOGISE”

  1. I have said this here before. There is no mandatory requirement for a Muslim women to wear that garb. It may have a good use in backwards tribal regions of the world but no place here. I find it offensive as it says that I as a man cannot be trusted. It is accussory.

    If these women wish to wear it then they should be forbidden from entering ALL, and I do mean ALL state buildings and public transport.

  2. I don’t think Boris Johnson should have to apologise. He’s entitled to his opinion.

  3. He is entitled to his opinion. However the rest of us our entitled to our opinion of Boris Johnson as well.

    Why is it acceptable for a former Foreign Secretary and prospective Prime Minister to say disparaging things about Muslims but it is not acceptable for the Leader of the Opposition to not take seriously those people who complain about people saying disparaging things about Jews?

    “If these women wish to wear it then they should be forbidden from entering ALL, and I do mean ALL state buildings and public transport.”

    Why? Places where it poses a potential security threat like banks, or other places where identity is clearly needed to be known, sure. I can understand a ban there. Places where non-verbal communication like in court rooms and class rooms. Sure I can understand there. But a blanket ban? Why? Because you don’t like it?

  4. Seamus,

    He is entitled to his opinion. However the rest of us our entitled to our opinion of Boris Johnson as well.

    Absolutely Shamus. And I think Boris Johnson is a f****** moron.

  5. //Why is it acceptable for a former Foreign Secretary and prospective Prime Minister to say disparaging things about Muslims but it is not acceptable for the Leader of the Opposition to not take seriously those people who complain about people saying disparaging things about Jews?//

    !!

  6. Seamus

    “Why is it acceptable for a former Foreign Secretary and prospective Prime Minister to say disparaging things about Muslims but it is not acceptable for the Leader of the Opposition to not take seriously those people who complain about people saying disparaging things about Jews?”

    Wow, that’s some equivalence. So believing that the Burka is oppressive, misogynistic and totally unacceptable in Western culture is the same as believing that Israel should be wiped off the face of the earth?

    Lets me firstly state that I do not support a legal ban on the Burka.

    A female Muslim ex colleague of mine who was born and brought up in Islamabad told me several years ago that she had never seen as many Burkas there as she had in East Lancashire.

    I believe that the Burka is worn is this country for three possible reasons.

    1) Because the woman is “devout”, although Burkas are not mandatory in Islam.

    2) Because there are forced to do by their “enlightened” menfolk.

    3) As a “Fuck You” to our culture and mores.

    As I get older, wiser and more cynical, I believe that options 2 & 3 are to the fore.

    You are sadly deluded my friend if you fail (refuse) to accept what is going on in this country.

  7. Well said Matt.

    As for condemning Boris, so what if he gave offence? No-one has a right not to be offended. Many of the muslim headbangers condemn white British women as sluts for wearing short skirts, so I’d say what goes around comes around.

  8. “Today, all aspects of Islam have come to be ringfenced from open debate. Consider the outrage that greeted Richard Dawkins when he stated his preference for Christian bells over what he saw as the ‘aggressive-sounding’ call-to-prayer. Dawkins was labelled Islamophobic and a ‘tedious old racist’. If passing judgement on aspects of Islamic culture is deemed beyond the pale, heaven forbid anyone questions the more fundamental tenets of the religion. Both before and after the staff at Charlie Hebdo were murdered for drawing the prophet Muhammed, many Western liberals felt the cartoonists went too far.

    These shrill accusations of Islamophobia turn tolerance on its head. In criticising what he sees as an oppressive religious practice, while refusing to ban it, Johnson is advocating for a genuine religious tolerance. True tolerance means allowing the expression of ideas and practices that you don’t like. Today, however, tolerance has been replaced by multiculturalism – an ideology which insists that all beliefs and cultural practices are equal and we should withhold judgement. This is why Boris’s critics are calling for his views to be investigated, for him to attend diversity training to have his views corrected, or to teach him to keep them to himself. The message is clear: you must approve of this practice or be quiet. While it would certainly be intolerant to ban the burqa, it is equally intolerant to prevent people from criticising it.”

    http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/Boriss-burqa-bashing-is-not-islamophobic/21663#.W2oD07gnZPY

  9. boris should apologise because the PM , his leader, has asked him to.
    Its a question of a higher loyalty to that call, and as the wise saying in Proverbs 18:12
    “Pride leads to destruction; humility leads to honor.
    Boris is clumsy in the way the queens husband is, which stems from a life of privilege.
    He doesn’t know any different except to be a pratt when he opens his mouth

  10. boris should apologise because the PM , his leader, has asked him to.

    It’s always about leader-worship for the commies.

    It’s a joy also to see the Left outraged at Boris Johnson, for criticising a horrible garment, which many women are forced to wear, which wholly obscures them. The Left once celebrated burning bras, short skirts and women being free to choose. Now they go mental at a man who would rather that women were free to choose.

  11. pete you’re one of the biggest Trump worshippers
    I not even a Tory, but when you’re CE0 makes a decision you abide by it
    Its very simple, clearly you’ve never been anywhere near the military or similar places where it matters , the authority of your Boss. Boris has never behaved with honour, that’s why he won’t follow her advice.

  12. For Hitler we have Godwin’s Law.
    For Trump we have Jude’s Law.

    Stay on subject dear!

  13. Never apologise it’s a sign of weakness. His critics will seize upon it and use it to beat him unmercifully. Those who already hated him for on reason or another would not begin to like him if he did apologise. So full speed ahead and damn the critics. That’s my advice.

  14. ” Because the woman is “devout”, although Burkas are not mandatory in Islam.”

    Burqas are not mandatory in Islam, however the Qur’an requires that all people dress modestly. And there are then cultural differences as to what dressing modestly means. There are many Muslims who believe that dressing modestly in the western sense fulfils the Quaranic requirement.

    “As a “Fuck You” to our culture and mores.”

    When people and cultures go abroad they often have a sense of pining for the old country as it where. Look at the plastic paddy nature of many Irish-Americans. So yes many Muslims probably feel, due to them being alienated in the west, that they should cling to almost a heightened feeling of being Muslim.

    “So believing that the Burka is oppressive, misogynistic and totally unacceptable in Western culture is the same as believing that Israel should be wiped off the face of the earth?”

    Except Boris Johnson didn’t say that, nor did really any of persons at the centre of Corbyn’s failures to lead. Where did one of them say that Israel should be wiped off the earth?

    If Boris had stated that he believed that the Burqa was oppressive, misogynistic and totally unacceptable in Western culture I would disagree with him but wouldn’t feel it was an inappropriate thing to say. It is part of the debate. But Johnson didn’t do that. Johnson mocked women who wore it. He didn’t care about them or want to liberate them. He mocked their appearance. And he did it to broaden his appeal to racists.

    “As for condemning Boris, so what if he gave offence? No-one has a right not to be offended. Many of the muslim headbangers condemn white British women as sluts for wearing short skirts, so I’d say what goes around comes around.”

    And I’d condemn both groups Peter. And yes it is acceptable for Boris to be offensive. As you say no one has a right not to be offended. But again do you think that the response from media, the government etc… would have been the same had Jeremy Corbyn mocked a guy for wearing a yarmulke?

    “Johnson is advocating for a genuine religious tolerance”

    Catch yourself on Peter. Do you really think that Boris Johnson actually cares about religious tolerance? This is an attempt to appeal to an increasing number of racist British voters.

  15. matt to make it clear, as you’re struggling
    He should apologise because the PM asked him to so
    anything else is disloyal, discourteous and unstatesmanlike

  16. I’d have to disagree Jude. Dissent is a hugely important part of any political system. And the idea of all MPs falling in behind their leader like good little lemmings is not good for the political system.

    He should apologise, or be rightly condemned, because his comments where crass, racist and un-statesmanlike. But not because dear glorious leader has said he should.

  17. Seamus – BoJo’s comment was racist? A piece of cloth is a race?

    jude – Corbyn defied the Labour whip 500 times. What was that about disloyalty?

  18. No Pete, but the people wearing them do have a race and a culture.

  19. Seamus,

    “There are many Muslims who believe that dressing modestly in the western sense fulfils the Quaranic (sic) requirement”

    IMHO there is a difference between dressing modestly and covering oneself in a blackout curtain with a pillar box for the eyes. And have you seen the ones who even have mesh on the pillar box? If that isn’t a “Fuck Off”, what is?

    “So yes many Muslims probably feel, due to them being alienated in the west, that they should cling to almost a heightened feeling of being Muslim.”

    They alienate themselves and then portray themselves as “victims”.

    “Where did one of them say that Israel should be wiped off the earth?”

    Just look at the characters with whom Corbyn ihas been happy to share a platform.

    “And he did it to broaden his appeal to racists.”

    Islam is not a race. It is a primitive cult.

    “But again do you think that the response from media, the government etc… would have been the same had Jeremy Corbyn mocked a guy for wearing a yarmulke?”

    Is a yarmulke a total body covering?

  20. Jude

    “matt to make it clear, as you’re struggling”

    I’m not struggling at all. Is yours the Nuremberg defence?

  21. “IMHO there is a difference between dressing modestly and covering oneself in a blackout curtain with a pillar box for the eyes.”

    In my opinion there is as well. Is it right for those of us who feel like that to impose ourselves on the people who don’t?

    “Is a yarmulke a total body covering?”

    Does it matter? It is an item of religious clothing, important to its wearer. Would Jeremy Corbyn get away with mocking those who wear one?

  22. Seamus,

    “Is it right for those of us who feel like that to impose ourselves on the people who don’t?”

    No.

    “Would Jeremy Corbyn get away with mocking those who wear one? (yarmulke)

    No, just like Boris is not “getting away” with his comments but he is perfectly entitled to make then, n’est pas?

  23. Boris is getting the soft touch from the press Matt. When someone standing beside Jeremy Corbyn made a comment at an event 8 years ago it is wall to wall coverage about Corbyn’s antisemitism. Boris isn’t receiving anywhere near the same level of criticism.

  24. No Pete, but the people wearing them do have a race and a culture.

    Seamus, it’s a backward, primitive culture. Labeling critiques of it as racist or Islamophobic are transparent attempts to ring-fence that culture from any criticism.

  25. Again a false equivalence Seamus. Please call me again when Boris calls for the annihilation of Islam and Muslims.

  26. Night folks. Sleep and work call.

  27. “Seamus, it’s a backward, primitive culture. Labeling critiques of it as racist or Islamophobic are transparent attempts to ring-fence that culture from any criticism.”

    No it is an attempt to prevent scapegoating and illegitimate attempts at criticism.

    “Again a false equivalence Seamus. Please call me again when Boris calls for the annihilation of Islam and Muslims.”

    Where did Corbyn call for the annihilation of Judaism or Jews? Where did any member of the Labour Party?

  28. I would rather have “you look like a postal box” (fashion statement) than

    “Behead those that insult Islam” (call to violence).

  29. I agree Charles. But then we are talking about the comments of senior politicians, a man who hopes to one day hold the highest office in the land. So of course those who incite violence are worse than Boris Johnson. But that isn’t a defence for Johnson.

  30. Of course Johnson should not apologise. He expressed an opinion, and unless he has changed his mind on that, which I very much doubt, then he should stand by his views.

  31. Seamus, I thought that was a strawman the second after I pushed enter!

    It’s too bad that in our cultures an apology from Boris would seem like weakness. It takes the bigger man to apologize when offense is given, IMO.

  32. No, weakness is apologising when you don’t mean it, just because you are put under pressure to do so. The bigger man stands by the views he has expressed and means even if it costs him politically.

  33. Is Johnson’s opinion accurate and have truth? For some reason, that hasn’t been mentioned at all. From what I see, it’s accurate.

    But bigger matters such as demographics should be the focus instead of distractions like Boris Johnson.

    https://diversitymachtfrei.wordpress.com/2018/08/07/german-politician-tells-germans-not-to-fear-becoming-an-ethnic-minority-many-things-will-be-better/

    The German politician, Barbara John, of the nominally conservative CDU party (Angela Merkel’s party), has written an article telling Germans not to worry about becoming an ethnic minority.

    Oh really? This childless failure of a woman should take a look elsewhere in the world……..

    https://www.rt.com/news/435196-anc-racist-tweet-scandal/

    The official account of ANC’s parliamentary caucus was forced to delete a tweet that appeared to suggest that white people are murderers. The statement provoked an outcry and has since been disowned.

    The gaffe comes as the country is considering an amendment to the national constitution, which would allow the expropriation of land from owners with no compensation.

    The intentions are being made clear, and apply wherever darkskins are in the proximity of whites. Their hatred towards whites overrules all differences and yet, with millions of them in this country busily raping their way through white girls, all there is in response is Boris Johnson’s diversions.

  34. And if proof that those who rule us really do intend to destroy us in our own lands, just take a look at this.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6027177/Soldiers-criticise-Armys-new-recruitment-ads-inclusivity-face-disciplinary-action.html

  35. Matt, you’re all over the place
    its not that complex
    when the PM steps in, in a row, its customary for an MP to yield
    respect for the office of PM, try focus on that !

  36. Jude

    That rule only applies to cabinet members or MPs with government jobs. Backbench MPs are free to say what they like without having to obey the PM.

  37. Seamus is correct and Pete is once again being his hypocritical self (and the intervals between the switch-around from one side to the opposite are getting shorter).

    Imagine if Jeremy Corbyn had made a derisive comment about how orthodox Jews in London dress. Pete’s heart would be bursting with glee and he’d be posting about such “blatant anti-semitism” from here till Christmas.

    Pathetic.

  38. An ex-work colleague of mine was a witness to a traffic accident. He was asked by the police to make a witness statement “in his own words”. He described the driver of one vehicle as wearing a black cloth mask with a letter-box shaped slot for the eyes The police didn’t like this and asked him to change his words, which he refused as they’d asked for the statement in his own words. Funny, when the case came to court, he wasn’t called as a witness!

  39. What are you going on about now, Cunningham?

    Imagine if Jeremy Corbyn had made a derisive comment about how orthodox Jews in London dress.

    Like I have? Orthodox Jews look stupid. As does going around with a doyley on your head. It looks almost as stupid as goys doing it to headbutt the Wailing Wall.

    Sorry, you were saying something about Corbyn?

  40. Jude,

    “when the PM steps in, in a row, its customary for an MP to yield
    respect for the office of PM, try focus on that!”

    Corbyn defied the Blair Government many times. Blair didn’t have to intervene as he had a comfortable majority. Do you seriously believe that Corbyn would have caved if Blair intervened?

    What’s the point of having forthright views if you simply back down when told?

  41. that’s not like with like Matt,
    corbyn was always a backbencher , considered to be way out there
    Boris is close to power, been in gov’t posts, this stuff matters
    They all know it 3 days now of bad headlines, for this is bad for the tories
    and they all know the score, defiant Boris wrecking ball.
    Members will be furious , its another days dominating the news headlines

  42. he’s taking a dump on May, for all her faults she don’t deserve that INHO and i#m not a Tory
    that’s how it see it .. imagine for a sec if the party was SF , and an MP or TD refused after Gerry Adams came out and said he thought the member should withdraw the remark ..

  43. Members will be furious , its another days dominating the news headlines

    What are you on about? Most Tory members will think that Boris didn’t go far enough. Remember, he’s a one-nation liberal Tory. He said that he doesn’t think burkas and nikabs (sp? whatevs) should be banned.

    This is how corrupt the media and political establishment is. They’re making out that he said the precise opposite of what he actually said.

  44. you’re all missing the point, which is its no longer about what he said or intended etc, its about the fact the PM stepped in decidedly, which she hadn’t in any other of his gaffes?
    That changes everything, its then a direct insult to the PM. consider that .

  45. Nonsense. Everyone knows that he thinks she’s not up to the job anyway. May only opened her trap to blacken his name because he’s a Brexiteer. It backfired. The polls back him.

  46. Jude

    I don’t understand why you keep obsessing over the idea that he needs to obey the PM. Only ministers are beholden to the PM. Boris is under no obligation to do as she says.

  47. its low from snake Boris is why
    his comments were ok until he started insulting, no-one else has done that.
    he couldn’t restrain himself.

  48. Jude

    The Burka is a degrading dehumanising garment. It is not voluntary , neither is it an Islamic requirement no matter what some fooolish defenders of it claim. If it was truly voluntary, some Muslim men would choose to wear it but they dont, it is only for women and it is only worn to hide the fact of being female, as if your sex is something to be ashamed by. It deserves rejection and mockery.A decent healthy society should urge Muslim women to reject such Instructions of inferiority. Boris is right on this matter. There is nothing respectable about this “choice”. Something that is wrong doesn’t magically become acceptable with the fake excuse that it is based on religious faith.

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