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“CONSERVATIVE”

By Pete Moore On September 13th, 2018

I learned few things at university really worth knowing. But something I did take away was the principle that a thing is what it is, regardless of the name attached to it. (I think it was a law lecture.) Keeping that in mind sometimes helps to see clearly.

I keep telling people that the Conservative Party is a radical far-Left faction. Of course they don’t believe me. It’s the “Conservative Party”, innit? Again, a thing is what it is, regardless of the name.

Companies in the UK must undergo a “genuine culture change” to get rid of alpha males and promote women, government ministers have said.

Ministers John Glen and Victoria Atkins have called for “greater diversity” in the workplace, adding that companies should “call out” non-inclusive behaviour.

They particularly highlighted the “woefully low” number of women in senior jobs the City, which is both “morally wrong” and affects the sector’s productivity.

“We have a problem when it comes to the representation of senior women in the financial services sector,” the ministers said in a letter to MPs.

This is radical, far-Left identity politics, straight from a radical, far-Left government. Even the Labour Party of the 1980s would have rejected these ideas as bonkers. And it’s not an outlier policy. It’s typical of the Tories since at least Cameron became leader 13 years ago.

“Alpha males”. “Non-inclusive”. “Morally wrong”. This is the language of the Marxist lecturer at a low grade polytechnic. But it’s now Tory Party language and, hence, policy. Such is the success of the radicals’ long march through the institutions.

The Tories are so consumed by this and so zealous for “social justice” that any MP stating the truth, which is that women are psychologically ill-suited to the high corporate world and mostly hate it, would probably have the whip removed.

Ignore the label. The Tories are at least as far-Left as the Labour parties led by Blair and Corbyn.

75 Responses to ““CONSERVATIVE””

  1. And American Democrats are communists.

    but they’re to stupid to know it thanks to our universities.

  2. Ignore the label.

    And ignore the Pete Moore wind-up. Good try Pete.

  3. Pete’s Post is fair comment.

    Diversity is not any good thing in itself.

    I haven’t seen any sushi restaurants run by Irish culchies lately, And I don’t think that this is because the Japanese are exerting “ Asian privilege “ against them

  4. Diversity for diversity’s sake is not a good thing in itself. However changing widespread corprate culture will likely be of benefit. It is worth remembering that many of the traits necessary to be successful in the corporate world are literally psychopathic.

    Ruthlessness, narcissism, persuasiveness, the inability to feel guilt, or the inability to see things from another person’s perspective. Could be discribing a successful corporate officer. Could also be describing Jeffrey Dahmer.

    Maybe a change in that culture wouldn’t be a bad thing.

  5. No.

    The proper role of government is to regulate with the lightest effective touch for the public good. Once this “diversity ‘ stuff starts, there is no end to it.

    A very high percentage of the great wealth generating companies were built by alpha males. I don’t see one wrong thing with that.

  6. there is hope for you yet Phantom.

  7. Ruthlessness, narcissism, persuasiveness, the inability to feel guilt, or the inability to see things from another person’s perspective. Could be discribing a successful corporate officer.

    Those words would not in any way describe Jamie Dimon, Bill Gates, or Warren Buffett.

    And these would be among the most effective, humane, long term oriented Business leaders of our generation. Tough guys, but great and giving people as well.

  8. Blairites – One and all !

  9. I keep telling people that the Conservative Party is a radical far-Left faction.

    In all fairness you label anyone and anything you disagree with, find tasteless or dislike far – left.

    Blairites – One and all !

    If ever there was a rebuttal of the Cons being ‘far – left’ there it is.

  10. A problem of promoting women to senior positions is that there are insufficient willing and qualified women to fill them.
    Both my daughters have very good qualifications but have resisted offers to take higher level jobs, putting their home and families first. My younger daughter was recently chased by head-hunters for a high level post reporting directly to the board of a company, but she turned it down because she said she didn’t want the stress, the family didn’t need the extra money, and, as she said, one person receiving phone calls and e-mails at home and on holiday was bad enough, but two would be a disaster.

  11. Tucker Carlson asks the question that the cultural Marxists cannot answer – how precisely is diversity a strength? Three minutes of crushing questions for lefties.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_xkgRwXvcE

  12. “The proper role of government is to regulate with the lightest effective touch for the public good. Once this “diversity ‘ stuff starts, there is no end to it.”

    Study after study after study shows that having a more diverse workplace actually imporves productivity (though a number do suggest that while it increases workplace productivity it hurts workplace moral).

    “Those words would not in any way describe Jamie Dimon, Bill Gates, or Warren Buffett.”

    Who are more likely than not atypical of the majority of the corporate world.

  13. Who conducted the studies? The Sociology department of NYU?

    Who are more likely than not atypical of the majority of the corporate world.

    These guys, along with Bezos, Maurice Greenberg ( ex AIG, now Starr ) Kenneth Langone ( who created Home Depot ), Jack Ma ( Alibaba _) are among the most successful business people on the planet. Unlike the likes of Trump, they didn’t inherit their wealth, AFAIK they are all self made billionaires. Who are super intelligent, who never were focused only on money, who have given donated very heavily to charity and who more importantly have ensured that the money was spent wisely.

    On a personal level, I see executives, investors and companies who take care of their people and who support good causes. Don’t believe the hype.

    Capitalism is good.

  14. “Who conducted the studies? The Sociology department of NYU?”

    MIT, George Washington University, Cornell University, University of Kentucky – and normally their economics departments. And that’s just the first couple of studies I read.

    “On a personal level, I see executives, investors and companies who take care of their people and who support good causes. Don’t believe the hype.”

    Absolutely. But people can’t have it both ways. You can’t have it where you defend corporate officers for being nice, caring people while at the same time saying the majority of women couldn’t hack it in the cut throat world of corporate politics.

  15. I didn’t say that they were ” nice “. Nice people generally don’t build great companies.

    I say that they are net forces for good.

    And that we should encourage and celebrate people like this – and not politicians, and not ” diversity activists “, who are the problem, not the solution.

  16. How precisely is diversity a strength?

    Is this ‘diversity is strength’ thing a legitimate slogan used by ‘the left’ or is it another’all cultures are equal’ myth attributed to ‘the left’ and used by racial segregationists as a straw man?

    Anyow, Max Boot answers Carlson’s question in the Wapo:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/global-opinions/wp/2018/09/12/sorry-tucker-carlson-but-there-are-plenty-of-reasons-why-diversity-really-is-americas-strength/?utm_term=.35f8815049f9

  17. I once heard the Reverend Jesse Jackson explain that racial integration of the NBA made it stronger and better. He was right. But would gender integration of the NBA have the same effect? Would diversifying professional basketball by height? Probably not.

    In other words, all of these analogies can only take you so far. Thomas Sowell once said, “The next time some academics tell you how important diversity is, ask how many Republicans there are in their sociology department.”

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/01/diversity-our-strength-it-true/

  18. Phantom, is that an attempted answer to my question above? If so, it doesn’t answer it at all.

  19. I’ve heard variations on ” diversity is strength ” a million times.

    Even Republicans ( Lindsay Graham ) has used it.

    It’s baby talk, gibberish. Diversity can be fine, and it can not be fine.

    I see no benefit in any government pushing for diversity in boards, management, any of that.

  20. I’ve heard variations on ” diversity is strength ” a million times.

    So have I, so what? What’s that got to do with the price of fish?

    The question I ask is this:

    Is this ‘diversity is strength’ thing a legitimate slogan used by ‘the left’ or is it another’all cultures are equal’ myth attributed to ‘the left’ and used by racial segregationists as a straw man?

  21. So have I, so what? What’s that got to do with the price of fish?

    It means that a genuinely dopey ( and in my view sexist ) thought that has become mainstream

    And its not a myth if we’re all hearing it frequently

  22. sexist, racist, brain-dead ist.

  23. Perhaps you misunderstood my question:

    Is this ‘diversity is strength’ thing a legitimate slogan used by ‘the left’ or is it another’all cultures are equal’ myth attributed to ‘the left’ and used by racial segregationists as a straw man?

    I think that you’ve misrad my myth comment. No where did I claim that the slogan ‘diversity is strength’ is a myth, (or not), nor dopey (or not).

    If you’re going to answer the question ‘ a legitimate slogan used by ‘the left’ or is it another’all cultures are equal’ myth attributed to ‘the left’ and used by racial segregationists as a straw man?’ fine, but relevant answers to the question please.

  24. Paul

    Is this ‘diversity is strength’ thing a legitimate slogan used by ‘the left’ or is it another’all cultures are equal’ myth attributed to ‘the left’ and used by racial segregationists as a straw man?

    I’ll answer your question if I may.

    I think this is being used as another all cultures of equal myth, and taken out of context. As you said to strawman the left.

    I think there is a general rule in life diversity is strength. Mankind advanced when small groups became less tribal and started to move around and integrate with other cultures.

  25. So I guess that diverse Lebanon is stronger than disgustingly Korean South Korea.

    Who knew

  26. Yes, Just as diverse Switzerland is stronger than Mongolia.

    See how facile comparisons work?

  27. Switzerland isn’t one billionth as ” diverse ” on a religious or ethnic basis as is Lebanon/Syria.

    Ask any Swiss or Lebanese.

  28. The question is – how precisely is diversity a strength? That’s the question and the reason why Carlson asks it is because lefties, Dems et al keep saying that “diversity is a strength”. OK – why is it a strength?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_xkgRwXvcE

    Mankind advanced when small groups became less tribal and started to move around and integrate with other cultures.

    5th year bollocks. If it were so, Dave would provide support and examples of that assertion. Then again, perhaps there are examples which support the assertion. Dave – anything in support of your assertion?

  29. “Switzerland isn’t one billionth as ” diverse ” on a religious or ethnic basis as is Lebanon/Syria.”

    Neither Lebanon or Syria are particularly ethnically diverse. So I don’t think Switzerland is much more ethnically homogenous than say Lebanon or Syria. Syria and Lebanon are divived on cultural and religious lines (and to a lesser but still present extent on lignuistic lines). Switzerland is very linguistically diverse (though each area is quite linguistically homogenous).

    Also sometimes things are generally true but there are outliers in it. The presence of the outliers does not mean that the point is not generally true. Generally true, not universally true.

  30. Seamus – you know very well that the French, Italians and Germans of Switzerland are compatible, and they’re compatible because they are European and share the same wider history, culture, values – and race. The ‘diversity’ of Switzerland is superficial and not as deep as that of Lebanon – which, I am told, was a wonderful place in the 1970’s

  31. A country with four official languages isn’t diverse??

  32. The majority of the people of Lebanon share the same wider history, culture, values and race. Yet why are they more diverse than the people of Switzerland?

  33. Because they want each other dead.

    That’s high on the list.

  34. And do the Druze, Christians, Shia Muslims, Sunni Muslims share the same culture?

    Sure they don’t

  35. I’m not suggesting that the people of Lebanon are less diverse than Switzerland, Phantom. I’m simply refuting the point made by Allan that the reason is one of the same history, culture, values or race.

    The reason why Switzerland works, and Lebanon and Syria do not, is that the peoples of Switzerland, diverse as they are, choose to work together and become one nation.

    The people of Lebanon, and Syria, were not allowed to do that and were forced into an arrangement that they did not want.

  36. Most Arab peoples share a relatively similar culture. And most of the people in Lebanon and Syria are Arabs. They have different religions. That is not culture.

  37. The reason why Switzerland works, and Lebanon and Syria do not, is that the peoples of Switzerland, diverse as they are, choose to work together and become one nation.

    People don’t simply “choose” to do such things. The formation of tribe and nation comes much later than the formation of common culture and trust. These are the prerequisites for common feeling and the emergence of brotherhood. Countries are simply these expressions writ large.

    The left has long been correct in identifying the arbitrary drawing of borders as a lingering problem in parts of Africa and the Middle East. It divided common peoples and threw together those who don’t want to live together.

    But they adopt the opposite attitude when it comes to home. They suddenly pretend that throwing people in from all over the world is a glorious venture in diversity and enrichment.

    These are contradictory positions, but then no-one expected consistency from the left.

  38. Seamus – the reason why Switzerland works is because the components are white Europeans which, as homogeneous peoples, also worked very well without ‘enrichment’.

    However, Lebanon and Syria did work reasonably well, though they would have worked better if the lines drawn in 1918 had reflected ethnic and tribal boundaries. The sources of their troubles are mainly external.

  39. c’mon phantom ya lazy sod ( in jest ) throw up a post on mananfort, take you 5mins, we not gonna get it from the likes of petem. This is big news , he is co-operating
    Manafort’s guilty plea – with cooperation! – is an absolute nightmare for Trump, and his family,” former federal prosecutor Elizabeth de la Vega told the Guardian in an email.

  40. I’d think that there is such a thing as muslim culture

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_culture

  41. So, any takers on “why is diversity a strength”? I’m calling this the Carlson Question

  42. I think having people from other parts of the world is acceptable as long as there is a dominant culture in place and the people who come to that part of the world are encouraged to assimilate into that culture.

    And I think the poltiical decendents of people who invaded half the world, occupied it, drew arbitrary lines down a map and then imported their own citizens to those places are a bit rich in complaining about anyone coming to their country.

  43. ” the reason why Switzerland works is because the components are white Europeans which, as homogeneous peoples, also worked very well without ‘enrichment’.”

    The people of Switzerland are German, French, Italian and Romansh. They have worked together because the choose to. If it was a simple as their race then why have for most of the last 1,000 years have the French and Germans, the French and Italians etc… not also unified under one banner?

    If it was a simple as race then all of Europe would be one country. Didn’t take you for a Federalist Allan.

  44. “I’d think that there is such a thing as muslim culture”

    Those things common to all Muslims. If that was a major thing in Lebanon and Syria then Shia and Sunni Muslims would all be best of mates.

  45. Didn’t say that they were the same. They hate one another, in all their diversity

  46. Seamus –

    I don’t agree. We “enriched” the world. We brought it “diversity”. It’s the left’s shame and disgrace that bigotry led it down the path of racist anti-imperialism.

  47. As I said diversity is perfectly acceptable as long as there is a dominant culture in place and the people who come to that part of the world are encouraged to assimilate into that culture.

    Your lot didn’t do that. You took over and tried to force through minority dominance.

  48. As I said diversity is perfectly acceptable as long as there is a dominant culture in place and the people who come to that part of the world are encouraged to assimilate into that culture.

    Yeah right. Having Africans and muslims ‘assimilating’ in Europe is like the alien assimilating with John Hurt.

  49. How many Afro-Caribbean people or Muslims do you know Allan? Personally know.

  50. Pete – The Empire was simply armed mercantilism for jewish bankers in London. The episodes such as destruction of the Boer Republic, and especially the Opium Wars to force Chinese to consume opium (and they haven’t forgotten that one) are absolutely shameful. There were many others, and still it goes on. My niece’s husband is off to Afghanistan – WTF are our troops doing in Afghanistan?

  51. Seamus – about six Iranians and two muslims from France. The afro-caribbs don’t have the brains to work in engineering so zero there. And you…?

  52. A number of close friends from university (both black people and Muslims, and some who were both), as well as my uncle, who is Turkish.

  53. Allan –

    I find the Boer wars particularly distasteful. White brothers shouldn’t war. Unless it’s with the French of course.

    We’ve been in Afghanistan for nearly 18 years now – 18 years! And I can’t remember when a politician was last told to explain it.

  54. christ you’re all so fucking clever aren’t you .. lol

  55. Allan

    5th year bollocks. If it were so, Dave would provide support and examples of that assertion. Then again, perhaps there are examples which support the assertion. Dave – anything in support of your assertion?

    Which assertion is that then Alan?
    To be honest I’m running out of patience with you. You ask questions and push people for answers all the time, but you never answer anything yourself. On the rare occasions that you do, you give a very nebulous answer that doesn’t address the question that was asked. Mind you, you talk so much s*** how can you possibly give a reasonable answer to the nonsense you assert to be true.

  56. Dave – you should attempt to be less irascible and just deal with items that come up in threads. Here’s your assertion……

    Mankind advanced when small groups became less tribal and started to move around and integrate with other cultures.

    To which I responded…….

    5th year bollocks. If it were so, Dave would provide support and examples of that assertion. Then again, perhaps there are examples which support the assertion. Dave – anything in support of your assertion?

    but I should have written…….

    Mind you, you talk so much s*** how can you possibly give a reasonable answer to the nonsense you assert to be true.

  57. Allan

    Mind you, you talk so much s*** how can you possibly give a reasonable answer to the nonsense you assert to be true.

    Yeah that sounds good to me Allan. It makes a change for your racist bul****.

  58. Dave – whatever. Now do you have anything in support of your assertion?

  59. I provide evidence when you provide evidence for Irreducible complexity Allan. And creationist science websites, and the book Darwin’s black box do not count as these have been thoroughly debunked.
    it’s only fair. You make these demands on other people all the time but you’ll never address questions to you.

  60. Dave – desperate evasions, but simply state one or two examples and I’ll check for the evidence. On your diversionary question, I provided the link to books which I have read or which I am currently reading, and the evidence is in there – and I have no intention of cutting and pasting it. Fortunately we are linked via the custodian of this site so here’s a suggestion: you buy this book

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Heretic-Scientists-Journey-Darwin-Design/dp/1936599503

    What happens when an up-and-coming European bioscientist flips from Darwin disciple to Darwin defector? Sparks fly. Just ask biotechnologist Matti Leisola. It all started when a student loaned the Finnish scientist a book criticizing evolutionary theory. Leisola reacted angrily, and set out to defend evolution, but found his efforts raised more questions than they answered. He soon morphed into a full-on Darwin skeptic, even as he was on his way to becoming a leading bio-engineer.

    Heretic: One Scientist’s Journey from Darwin to Design Paperback – 15 Jan 2018
    by Matti Leisola (Author), Jonathan Witt (Author)
    4.8 out of 5 stars 6 customer reviews

    of 5 starsAn excellent book
    10 February 2018
    Format: Kindle EditionVerified Purchase
    This book draws on the author’s long research experience and of many others to present a strong case against evolution having the lead role in the origin and diversity of life. Sure, evolution is a real, observable and measurable fact; just don’t extrapolate its power to include the origin of new structures or the origin of encoded information. “Why not” is very well explained by the author.

    and I shall forward the money to DV to cover your costs. It costs £12.51 with free delivery in the UK, and we can then read from the same book, as it were.

    I shall put a question to you which cannot be evaded because it’s about you and your opinions. I stated that your views are “of the 5th form of secondary school”. Take yourself back to school and tell me whether your views on the following have changed at all…….

    evolution, 6 million killed in holocaust, Big Bang and expanding Universe, credibility of government authorities – there are several others but these can serve as a beginning. And indeed, what you wrote is…..

    Dave Alton, on September 13th, 2018 at 7:25 PM Said:

    Europe doesn’t ‘belong’ to anyone. That’s a childish, tribal small minded view. Countries are just places where people live. If they belong to anyone, (whatever that means), they belong to the people who treat each other with respect and obey the law.

    which easily fits within Paul’s philosophical bandwidth………

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUFT35S7Jb4

  61. 5th year bollocks

    I have to say that made me smile, someone who regularly displays the ‘I don’t care. I want, I want, I want’ petulance of a spoilt child and if I don’t get it I’ll scweam and scweam and scweam until I do accusing someone of childish naivety.

    Allan’s primary schoolesque treatise is ‘they’ll have to go back to their countries of origin’

    Oh yeah? tell us the practicalities and logistics of how they’re going to go back Allan?

    – ‘I don’t know, they just will, somehow. And don’t bother with that international law thing either’

    Allan’s wet dream wish list is the fucked up mirror image of a John Lennon song. As a matter of fact, I came across something he’d recently penned:

    ♬ ♫
    Imagine there’s no negroids, and no Pakis too
    Nothing but lovely white volk
    And definitely no Jews

    Imagine all the people, hated based on skin

    You ooh ooh ooh ooh, you may say I’m a dreamer
    And you’d certainly be right
    I’m from a small group of nutters
    Who in cyberspace talk shite
    ♬ ♫

    So, any takers on “why is diversity a strength”? I’m calling this the Carlson Question

    (sigh)

    The Wapo link at 3.11 above blows it out of the water.

  62. paul hi why don’t you post a bit, you know it doesn’t have to be this way that all you guys do is respond to the utterly boring and predictable infantile posts from petem that are the same post every day : muzzies/commies = bad and proto-fascism = good
    ffs get involved .. cheers

  63. I’ve posted s few times Jude and will do again in the future when time and inclination allow.

  64. Always glad to oblige

  65. Would you oblige me Patrick?

  66. email me a post Dave

  67. check your email Dave

  68. Dave

    Your 12:50pm plea to Patrick made me chuckle…… but that’s just my childish dirty mind at work 😱

  69. Patrick

    I’ll have to write the post first mate, but thanks for that.
    I have a subject in mind.

  70. Colm.

    You’re probably the only other person on ATW who picks up on my double entendres.

  71. dirty minds……

  72. I wouldn’t recognise a double entendre if I sat on one 😇

  73. I Colm is very fond of double entries.

    (Apologies for my dyslexia)

  74. * I think Colm….

  75. You think too much Paul 🙂

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